WR Odell Beckham, Jr., Free Agent (2 Viewers)

[ghostguy123]

ODB a 3rd rounder???

This thread shoulda ended right there with a server error.

 

[Zyphros]

The guy screams Marvin Harrison to me. If he can develop his route running more and more that may be his ceiling (not exactly a low ceiling there).

Just want to point this out for my own selfish reasons . Although Marvin Harrison may be OBJ's floor now

See, this is the hype I'm talking about (although I think/hope? this is sarcasm). Saying a rookie WRs FLOOR is a HOF WR is a bit over-the-top.

It is meant to be sarcastic yes, but I don't see it as not possible either. Just look at his production for this season and missing all those games in the beginning of the season. Am I going over the top? Yes. Harrison was fantastic for what 4-5 seasons? Then the steady drop off in production. We could very well be lookingn at that same type with OBJ.

 

[Banger]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/12066098/tom-coughlin-new-york-giants-chides-odell-beckham-jr-likes-edge

TC sticking up for ODB.

 

[fredsavage]

Another thing I see in ODB that reminds me of Jordan is the nature of his competitiveness. It's not just about being great, it's about making your opponent look foolish. He's out there embarrassing guys. You can see it not just when he spins a ball after a TD and dances, but the ferocity with which he attacks the ball as well as his composure while doing it. Some guys do it for the cameras (dez), some are so gifted athletically they catch your attention (Calvin, Julio), and some are gladiatorially inclined (Steve smith). Beckham has it all.

 

[Banger]

Another thing I see in ODB that reminds me of Jordan is the nature of his competitiveness. It's not just about being great, it's about making your opponent look foolish. He's out there embarrassing guys. You can see it not just when he spins a ball after a TD and dances, but the ferocity with which he attacks the ball as well as his composure while doing it. Some guys do it for the cameras (dez), some are so gifted athletically they catch your attention (Calvin, Julio), and some are gladiatorially inclined (Steve smith). Beckham has it all.

I would actually like to see him tone it down a bit as Coughlin is recommending. I love the kid but you don't want to rattle the beehive and he was able to avoid injury from the various cheapshots the Greg Williams inspired defense was throwing at him. You want to celebrate but you don't want to stick it in their faces or he will end up geting injured from some no name LB who wants to take him out. The good thing is that he proved vs. the most penalized defense in football that he's not going to be intimidated from physical play so you can add another checkmark in the positive column of his abilities....

 

[IheartGuinness]

Another thing I see in ODB that reminds me of Jordan is the nature of his competitiveness. It's not just about being great, it's about making your opponent look foolish. He's out there embarrassing guys. You can see it not just when he spins a ball after a TD and dances, but the ferocity with which he attacks the ball as well as his composure while doing it. Some guys do it for the cameras (dez), some are so gifted athletically they catch your attention (Calvin, Julio), and some are gladiatorially inclined (Steve smith). Beckham has it all.

You sound like Sick Boy talking about Sean Connery.

 

[Van Dyman]

Another thing I see in ODB that reminds me of Jordan is the nature of his competitiveness. It's not just about being great, it's about making your opponent look foolish. He's out there embarrassing guys. You can see it not just when he spins a ball after a TD and dances, but the ferocity with which he attacks the ball as well as his composure while doing it. Some guys do it for the cameras (dez), some are so gifted athletically they catch your attention (Calvin, Julio), and some are gladiatorially inclined (Steve smith). Beckham has it all.

I would actually like to see him tone it down a bit as Coughlin is recommending. I love the kid but you don't want to rattle the beehive and he was able to avoid injury from the various cheapshots the Greg Williams inspired defense was throwing at him. You want to celebrate but you don't want to stick it in their faces or he will end up geting injured from some no name LB who wants to take him out. The good thing is that he proved vs. the most penalized defense in football that he's not going to be intimidated from physical play so you can add another checkmark in the positive column of his abilities....

I thought the exact same thing.

 

[netnalp]

Allen's rookie year wasn't as impressive as ODB's.

Since Cruz got hurt, Beckham has been a stud. There's no debating that.

What will his role be when Cruz gets back?

Will he have a "sophomore" slump?

Will defenses adjust to him in his second year?

Those are questions that need to be asked.

the question is what Cruz's role will be not what Beckham's will be. The offense will be built around Beckham and the other pieces will fall where they fall.

It's not like defenses are taking it easy on him now or he's surprising anyone ...but a question I've asked several times in here that hasn't been answered...how do you stop him? what is his weakness? He's smart and can read defenses, they can move him all around their formations, can run all routes, lightning fast. Also, let's not forget that this isn't a one way street where only the defense can improve and slow him down...he is a rookie and most rookies tend to improve as they continue to learn player personnel and their tendencies, schemes and coverages and from everything I've heard this kids a film junkie so he's going to put in the time and work to continue to improve his game. All you have to do is listen to him and you'll know that. There's a reason he's reaching out to all time greats like Rice and Jordan and Lebron, he wants to be one of the best and wants to learn from the best what it takes. Very mature kid and that mixed with his talent is an amazing and scary combination.

What are you basing this on? Real info, or your hope/belief that this will be the case? I would like to see them do this, but you saying it will happen doesn't actually make it true.

It's a strong belief based on listening to the team and watching him on the field. They are already building their offense around him like they never did for Cruz and Cruz coming off an injury I don't believe will change anything. It obviously remains to be seen what impact Cruz will have coming off a serious injury. When the team and guys around it are saying they haven't seen a player with his impact since Lawrence Taylor it speaks volumes that they see him as an impact player and as such will utilize him as such.

Makes sense to plan around OBJ during the coming offseason since the Giants know he'll be healthy. Cruz probably won't be a full go by OTA's or the beginning of training camp for that matter. I think they'll handle Cruz like they did David Wilson last year. Plan for the worst and if he makes a great recovery then it's a bonus. The draft and FA will determine the teams true thoughts, if they take a WR early in the draft or sign a top FA WR.

 

[carverlee]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

 

[shadyridr]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

lmfao

 

[Bayhawks]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

Calvin and AJ Green probably shouldn't have made it, but Cobb and Sanders were probably more deserving than Beckham, so he still would have been the 1st man out.

I think he'll play, as there will be some guys who got picked who will drop out.

 

[carverlee]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

Calvin and AJ Green probably shouldn't have made it, but Cobb and Sanders were probably more deserving than Beckham, so he still would have been the 1st man out.

I think he'll play, as there will be some guys who got picked who will drop out.

I'll give ya Sanders because you could make a case either way but Cobb, hell no. Don't see how the NFL allowed Green and Megatron in over ODB. He's already a media darling. Green doesn't even have 1k receiving yet..

ETA: not that it matters, yes I'm sure he plays anyway. Just found it laughable that he was snubbed. Him and Giants have every right to feel disrespected.

 

[Bri]

He missed 4-5-6? (How many?) months with a hammy

There is a raised eyebrow sort of injury concern with him

 

[carverlee]

Not sure what this is in response to. People arguing high draft position or pro-bowl snub, Either way, I think it's safe to say he's shown no ill effects from the preseason hamstring injury so don't see how this plays a part in either.

Interesting reading from Giants fans on draft day. See the comments,, http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11272159/odell-beckham-jr-injury-frustrates-tom-coughlin-new-york-giants

 

[Bayhawks]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

Calvin and AJ Green probably shouldn't have made it, but Cobb and Sanders were probably more deserving than Beckham, so he still would have been the 1st man out.

I think he'll play, as there will be some guys who got picked who will drop out.

I'll give ya Sanders because you could make a case either way but Cobb, hell no. Don't see how the NFL allowed Green and Megatron in over ODB. He's already a media darling. Green doesn't even have 1k receiving yet..

ETA: not that it matters, yes I'm sure he plays anyway. Just found it laughable that he was snubbed. Him and Giants have every right to feel disrespected.

You want to argue that Beckham deserves it over Cobb, OK, but to dismiss him with "hell no" is just wrong. Cobb has more catches, more yards, has played every game, and is on a team that is in the playoffs, might get a 1st-round bye. Those things matter. Beckham is having a great year, and since most of his success came during the stretch run/playoffs for FF, FFers love it. But the facts are that Cobb was a big part of GB getting into the playoffs, he was there for them every single game, and his numbers are just as good as Beckham's.

Without talking about FF, what statistical evidence is there that Beckham is a clear Pro Bowler over Cobb?

ETA-from what I can tell Cobb wasn't even a Pro Bowl alternate? So I guess that settles this discussion.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

Calvin and AJ Green probably shouldn't have made it, but Cobb and Sanders were probably more deserving than Beckham, so he still would have been the 1st man out.

I think he'll play, as there will be some guys who got picked who will drop out.

I'll give ya Sanders because you could make a case either way but Cobb, hell no. Don't see how the NFL allowed Green and Megatron in over ODB. He's already a media darling. Green doesn't even have 1k receiving yet..

ETA: not that it matters, yes I'm sure he plays anyway. Just found it laughable that he was snubbed. Him and Giants have every right to feel disrespected.

You want to argue that Beckham deserves it over Cobb, OK, but to dismiss him with "hell no" is just wrong. Cobb has more catches, more yards, has played every game, and is on a team that is in the playoffs, might get a 1st-round bye. Those things matter. Beckham is having a great year, and since most of his success came during the stretch run/playoffs for FF, FFers love it. But the facts are that Cobb was a big part of GB getting into the playoffs, he was there for them every single game, and his numbers are just as good as Beckham's.

Without talking about FF, what statistical evidence is there that Beckham is a clear Pro Bowler over Cobb?

ETA-from what I can tell Cobb wasn't even a Pro Bowl alternate? So I guess that settles this discussion.

Statistically he's outperformed Cobb badly.

Cobb

15 games
5.8 rec/80.47 yards/.66 Td’s

Beckham
11 games
7.2 rec/101.8 yards/1 TD

 

[Eminence]

I get the Beckam love. It totally makes sense. I'm going to have to watch his highlights from this year to make a definitive decision about him next year.

He's clearly the best option on the Giants.

I don't think Cruz is going to take much away from him catching 40 yard one handed catches though.

 

[cjv123]

I apologize if I've mentioned this before, but as a New Yorker (and thus somewhat Giants fan) I wanted them to draft him after I saw his private workout video. Beckham was obviously NFL and I think many other teams had reached the same conclusion. He wasn't a "sleeper" by Draft Day for top-15.

 

[Bayhawks]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

Calvin and AJ Green probably shouldn't have made it, but Cobb and Sanders were probably more deserving than Beckham, so he still would have been the 1st man out.

I think he'll play, as there will be some guys who got picked who will drop out.

I'll give ya Sanders because you could make a case either way but Cobb, hell no. Don't see how the NFL allowed Green and Megatron in over ODB. He's already a media darling. Green doesn't even have 1k receiving yet..

ETA: not that it matters, yes I'm sure he plays anyway. Just found it laughable that he was snubbed. Him and Giants have every right to feel disrespected.

You want to argue that Beckham deserves it over Cobb, OK, but to dismiss him with "hell no" is just wrong. Cobb has more catches, more yards, has played every game, and is on a team that is in the playoffs, might get a 1st-round bye. Those things matter. Beckham is having a great year, and since most of his success came during the stretch run/playoffs for FF, FFers love it. But the facts are that Cobb was a big part of GB getting into the playoffs, he was there for them every single game, and his numbers are just as good as Beckham's.

Without talking about FF, what statistical evidence is there that Beckham is a clear Pro Bowler over Cobb?

ETA-from what I can tell Cobb wasn't even a Pro Bowl alternate? So I guess that settles this discussion.

Statistically he's outperformed Cobb badly.

Cobb

15 games
5.8 rec/80.47 yards/.66 Td’s

Beckham
11 games
7.2 rec/101.8 yards/1 TD

But the Pro Bowl isn't a FF award, where PPG matters. The fact is that over the course of the season (which is, presumably what the Pro Bowl is: a season-long accomplishment), Cobb has contributed more to his team: more games played, more receptions, more yards, and helped them to more wins.

But again, as Beckham was named as an alternate, & Cobb wasn't, it appears if Calvin and Green didn't get in based on merely name recognition, he would/should have made it.

 

[Banger]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

Calvin and AJ Green probably shouldn't have made it, but Cobb and Sanders were probably more deserving than Beckham, so he still would have been the 1st man out.I think he'll play, as there will be some guys who got picked who will drop out.

I'll give ya Sanders because you could make a case either way but Cobb, hell no. Don't see how the NFL allowed Green and Megatron in over ODB. He's already a media darling. Green doesn't even have 1k receiving yet..

ETA: not that it matters, yes I'm sure he plays anyway. Just found it laughable that he was snubbed. Him and Giants have every right to feel disrespected.

You want to argue that Beckham deserves it over Cobb, OK, but to dismiss him with "hell no" is just wrong. Cobb has more catches, more yards, has played every game, and is on a team that is in the playoffs, might get a 1st-round bye. Those things matter. Beckham is having a great year, and since most of his success came during the stretch run/playoffs for FF, FFers love it. But the facts are that Cobb was a big part of GB getting into the playoffs, he was there for them every single game, and his numbers are just as good as Beckham's.Without talking about FF, what statistical evidence is there that Beckham is a clear Pro Bowler over Cobb?

ETA-from what I can tell Cobb wasn't even a Pro Bowl alternate? So I guess that settles this discussion.

Cobb is Greg Jennings or Eric decker. Goodish wr made very good by their outstanding qb. If he asks for too much money he'll get overpaid by someone and put up similar numbers to them. Davonte Adams will move into his slot and his name will be up for the pro bowl next year when he has 1100 yards and 10 tds.

 

[Bayhawks]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

Calvin and AJ Green probably shouldn't have made it, but Cobb and Sanders were probably more deserving than Beckham, so he still would have been the 1st man out.I think he'll play, as there will be some guys who got picked who will drop out.

I'll give ya Sanders because you could make a case either way but Cobb, hell no. Don't see how the NFL allowed Green and Megatron in over ODB. He's already a media darling. Green doesn't even have 1k receiving yet..

ETA: not that it matters, yes I'm sure he plays anyway. Just found it laughable that he was snubbed. Him and Giants have every right to feel disrespected.

You want to argue that Beckham deserves it over Cobb, OK, but to dismiss him with "hell no" is just wrong. Cobb has more catches, more yards, has played every game, and is on a team that is in the playoffs, might get a 1st-round bye. Those things matter. Beckham is having a great year, and since most of his success came during the stretch run/playoffs for FF, FFers love it. But the facts are that Cobb was a big part of GB getting into the playoffs, he was there for them every single game, and his numbers are just as good as Beckham's.Without talking about FF, what statistical evidence is there that Beckham is a clear Pro Bowler over Cobb?

ETA-from what I can tell Cobb wasn't even a Pro Bowl alternate? So I guess that settles this discussion.

Cobb is Greg Jennings or Eric decker. Goodish wr made very good by their outstanding qb. If he asks for too much money he'll get overpaid by someone and put up similar numbers to them. Davonte Adams will move into his slot and his name will be up for the pro bowl next year when he has 1100 yards and 10 tds.

This may/may not be true, but doesn't really have any bearing on this particular part of the conversation.

It doesn't matter if a WR has a great year b/c he is playing with a great QB. If his numbers are good enough, he should get pro-bowl consideration. Cobb's numbers are good enough, so he likely got consideration for the Pro-Bowl.

Otherwise, Green deserves "extra-credit" because he played with a lesser QB. Perhaps Evans is more deserving than Beckham since his QBs were markedly worse than Eli is.

 

[carverlee]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

Calvin and AJ Green probably shouldn't have made it, but Cobb and Sanders were probably more deserving than Beckham, so he still would have been the 1st man out.

I think he'll play, as there will be some guys who got picked who will drop out.

I'll give ya Sanders because you could make a case either way but Cobb, hell no. Don't see how the NFL allowed Green and Megatron in over ODB. He's already a media darling. Green doesn't even have 1k receiving yet..

ETA: not that it matters, yes I'm sure he plays anyway. Just found it laughable that he was snubbed. Him and Giants have every right to feel disrespected.

You want to argue that Beckham deserves it over Cobb, OK, but to dismiss him with "hell no" is just wrong. Cobb has more catches, more yards, has played every game, and is on a team that is in the playoffs, might get a 1st-round bye. Those things matter. Beckham is having a great year, and since most of his success came during the stretch run/playoffs for FF, FFers love it. But the facts are that Cobb was a big part of GB getting into the playoffs, he was there for them every single game, and his numbers are just as good as Beckham's.

Without talking about FF, what statistical evidence is there that Beckham is a clear Pro Bowler over Cobb?

ETA-from what I can tell Cobb wasn't even a Pro Bowl alternate? So I guess that settles this discussion.

I like Cobb, but I don't think he stood a chance in hell this year. I believe, Maclin, Tate, Sander and possibly Edleman were in line before Cobb.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

There's still a pro bowl?

When they include that week in the fantasy season I'll start worrying about it

 

[Faust]

Chip Kelly: Eagles had Odell Beckham as draft's top WR

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000449005/article/chip-kelly-eagles-had-odell-beckham-as-drafts-top-wr

 

[Banger]

http://nypost.com/2014/12/24/odell-beckhams-rookie-season-only-compares-to-randy-moss/

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

I'm really curious how his year would have gone if Cruz hadn't been injured.

 

[Smack Tripper]

If the giants were the 6th seed, how far could you see them going?

 

[msudaisy26]

If LT were still playing how good would their defense be?

 

[Gandalf]

Chip Kelly: Eagles had Odell Beckham as draft's top WR

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000449005/article/chip-kelly-eagles-had-odell-beckham-as-drafts-top-wr

I call BS on this. I just don't buy it. Prior to the season no one thought this.

 

[Banger]

Chip Kelly: Eagles had Odell Beckham as draft's top WRhttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000449005/article/chip-kelly-eagles-had-odell-beckham-as-drafts-top-wr

I call BS on this. I just don't buy it. Prior to the season no one thought this.

Huh? Don't know if it's a joke or not but he was picked 12th not 142nd. Looking at his film it's absolutely possible. He's a supremely talented player and it didn't happen in the last 4 months.

 

[Bri]

Not sure what this is in response to. People arguing high draft position or pro-bowl snub, Either way, I think it's safe to say he's shown no ill effects from the preseason hamstring injury so don't see how this plays a part in either.

Interesting reading from Giants fans on draft day. See the comments,, http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11272159/odell-beckham-jr-injury-frustrates-tom-coughlin-new-york-giants

It's odd to miss months for a hammy when many people in the organization expect you back. Whatever the normal time is...they were thrown by how long he was out.

He surely didn't show a commitment/dedication to working with the team in the offseason

Will he miss the workouts this spring/summer?

On the one hand it's nice a player wants to be sure he's healthy, but what happens if he sprains his ankle? Out 2 months?

There was an oddness to it and I'm curious if it will be repeated at all in the future.

 

[sho nuff]

Got snubbed for the pro bowl.. <_<

Calvin and AJ Green probably shouldn't have made it, but Cobb and Sanders were probably more deserving than Beckham, so he still would have been the 1st man out.I think he'll play, as there will be some guys who got picked who will drop out.

I'll give ya Sanders because you could make a case either way but Cobb, hell no. Don't see how the NFL allowed Green and Megatron in over ODB. He's already a media darling. Green doesn't even have 1k receiving yet..

ETA: not that it matters, yes I'm sure he plays anyway. Just found it laughable that he was snubbed. Him and Giants have every right to feel disrespected.

You want to argue that Beckham deserves it over Cobb, OK, but to dismiss him with "hell no" is just wrong. Cobb has more catches, more yards, has played every game, and is on a team that is in the playoffs, might get a 1st-round bye. Those things matter. Beckham is having a great year, and since most of his success came during the stretch run/playoffs for FF, FFers love it. But the facts are that Cobb was a big part of GB getting into the playoffs, he was there for them every single game, and his numbers are just as good as Beckham's.Without talking about FF, what statistical evidence is there that Beckham is a clear Pro Bowler over Cobb?

ETA-from what I can tell Cobb wasn't even a Pro Bowl alternate? So I guess that settles this discussion.

Cobb is Greg Jennings or Eric decker. Goodish wr made very good by their outstanding qb. If he asks for too much money he'll get overpaid by someone and put up similar numbers to them. Davonte Adams will move into his slot and his name will be up for the pro bowl next year when he has 1100 yards and 10 tds.

Disagree...Cobb is more talented than Adams and I don't think the Packers see Adams as even close to ready to do what Cobb is doing.

Cobb is way more dynamic.

Cobb is like what people wanted Harvin to be....without Harvin's speed.

He can be used some out of the backfield to create mismatches there...can rush some...can return...but is a much better WR than Harvin.

 

[Yenrub]

Not sure what this is in response to. People arguing high draft position or pro-bowl snub, Either way, I think it's safe to say he's shown no ill effects from the preseason hamstring injury so don't see how this plays a part in either.

Interesting reading from Giants fans on draft day. See the comments,, http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11272159/odell-beckham-jr-injury-frustrates-tom-coughlin-new-york-giants

It's odd to miss months for a hammy when many people in the organization expect you back. Whatever the normal time is...they were thrown by how long he was out.

He surely didn't show a commitment/dedication to working with the team in the offseason

Will he miss the workouts this spring/summer?

On the one hand it's nice a player wants to be sure he's healthy, but what happens if he sprains his ankle? Out 2 months?

There was an oddness to it and I'm curious if it will be repeated at all in the future.

Have any examples of him not being committed or dedicated?

 

[bostonfred]

Chip Kelly: Eagles had Odell Beckham as draft's top WR

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000449005/article/chip-kelly-eagles-had-odell-beckham-as-drafts-top-wr

I call BS on this. I just don't buy it. Prior to the season no one thought this.

There was lots of talk about this before the draft actually. People were definitely talking about obj over Evans, and were comparing him to Watkins.

 

[bostonfred]

I get the Beckam love. It totally makes sense. I'm going to have to watch his highlights from this year to make a definitive decision about him next year.

He's clearly the best option on the Giants.

I don't think Cruz is going to take much away from him catching 40 yard one handed catches though.

The problem isn't that obj will stop making the catches, it's that Eli might not attempt them if he has other options. If cruz comes back close to 100%, coverage will roll to obj more often than not, just like it is right now. But instead of forcing the ball to obj, eli may throw the ball to cruz - just like he did with nicks. There's a rising tide lifts all boats argument where cruz coming back means obj gets a little more open, but it's a concern.

 

[DropKick]

Not sure what this is in response to. People arguing high draft position or pro-bowl snub, Either way, I think it's safe to say he's shown no ill effects from the preseason hamstring injury so don't see how this plays a part in either.

Interesting reading from Giants fans on draft day. See the comments,, http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11272159/odell-beckham-jr-injury-frustrates-tom-coughlin-new-york-giants

It's odd to miss months for a hammy when many people in the organization expect you back. Whatever the normal time is...they were thrown by how long he was out.

He surely didn't show a commitment/dedication to working with the team in the offseason

Will he miss the workouts this spring/summer?

On the one hand it's nice a player wants to be sure he's healthy, but what happens if he sprains his ankle? Out 2 months?

There was an oddness to it and I'm curious if it will be repeated at all in the future.

Are you trying to acquire him on the cheap? Or just new to the NFL? Possibly a Hungarian immigrant?

Not all injuries are created equal. Big muscle leg (quad, hammy) muscles can take a while to heal fully. Even when they feel good, all it takes is a little extra push to pop them.

Would you like a player 100% so that he can perform at an elite level like ODB did... Or would you see him rush back and reinjure himself; possibly having a lost season?

 

[Bri]

Not sure what this is in response to. People arguing high draft position or pro-bowl snub, Either way, I think it's safe to say he's shown no ill effects from the preseason hamstring injury so don't see how this plays a part in either.

Interesting reading from Giants fans on draft day. See the comments,, http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11272159/odell-beckham-jr-injury-frustrates-tom-coughlin-new-york-giants

It's odd to miss months for a hammy when many people in the organization expect you back. Whatever the normal time is...they were thrown by how long he was out.

He surely didn't show a commitment/dedication to working with the team in the offseason

Will he miss the workouts this spring/summer?

On the one hand it's nice a player wants to be sure he's healthy, but what happens if he sprains his ankle? Out 2 months?

There was an oddness to it and I'm curious if it will be repeated at all in the future.

Have any examples of him not being committed or dedicated?

During the extensive time he missed Coughlin questioned it....so let me just ride on his coattails here

 

[Bri]

Not sure what this is in response to. People arguing high draft position or pro-bowl snub, Either way, I think it's safe to say he's shown no ill effects from the preseason hamstring injury so don't see how this plays a part in either.

Interesting reading from Giants fans on draft day. See the comments,, http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11272159/odell-beckham-jr-injury-frustrates-tom-coughlin-new-york-giants

It's odd to miss months for a hammy when many people in the organization expect you back. Whatever the normal time is...they were thrown by how long he was out.

He surely didn't show a commitment/dedication to working with the team in the offseason

Will he miss the workouts this spring/summer?

On the one hand it's nice a player wants to be sure he's healthy, but what happens if he sprains his ankle? Out 2 months?

There was an oddness to it and I'm curious if it will be repeated at all in the future.

Are you trying to acquire him on the cheap? Or just new to the NFL? Possibly a Hungarian immigrant?

Not all injuries are created equal. Big muscle leg (quad, hammy) muscles can take a while to heal fully. Even when they feel good, all it takes is a little extra push to pop them.

Would you like a player 100% so that he can perform at an elite level like ODB did... Or would you see him rush back and reinjure himself; possibly having a lost season?

Yes I'm new to football that's how I was aware he had missed more time than anyone in a llllong time for a hamstring injury.

Take your insults somewhere else. This isn't a playground and we're not 13

 

[carverlee]

Not sure what this is in response to. People arguing high draft position or pro-bowl snub, Either way, I think it's safe to say he's shown no ill effects from the preseason hamstring injury so don't see how this plays a part in either.

Interesting reading from Giants fans on draft day. See the comments,, http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11272159/odell-beckham-jr-injury-frustrates-tom-coughlin-new-york-giants

It's odd to miss months for a hammy when many people in the organization expect you back. Whatever the normal time is...they were thrown by how long he was out.

He surely didn't show a commitment/dedication to working with the team in the offseason

Will he miss the workouts this spring/summer?

On the one hand it's nice a player wants to be sure he's healthy, but what happens if he sprains his ankle? Out 2 months?

There was an oddness to it and I'm curious if it will be repeated at all in the future.

Are you trying to acquire him on the cheap? Or just new to the NFL? Possibly a Hungarian immigrant?

Not all injuries are created equal. Big muscle leg (quad, hammy) muscles can take a while to heal fully. Even when they feel good, all it takes is a little extra push to pop them.

Would you like a player 100% so that he can perform at an elite level like ODB did... Or would you see him rush back and reinjure himself; possibly having a lost season?

Yes I'm new to football that's how I was aware he had missed more time than anyone in a llllong time for a hamstring injury.

Take your insults somewhere else. This isn't a playground and we're not 13

Ever heard of Miles Austin?

 

[Banger]

Not sure what this is in response to. People arguing high draft position or pro-bowl snub, Either way, I think it's safe to say he's shown no ill effects from the preseason hamstring injury so don't see how this plays a part in either.

Interesting reading from Giants fans on draft day. See the comments,, http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11272159/odell-beckham-jr-injury-frustrates-tom-coughlin-new-york-giants

It's odd to miss months for a hammy when many people in the organization expect you back. Whatever the normal time is...they were thrown by how long he was out.He surely didn't show a commitment/dedication to working with the team in the offseason

Will he miss the workouts this spring/summer?

On the one hand it's nice a player wants to be sure he's healthy, but what happens if he sprains his ankle? Out 2 months?

There was an oddness to it and I'm curious if it will be repeated at all in the future.

Have any examples of him not being committed or dedicated?

During the extensive time he missed Coughlin questioned it....so let me just ride on his coattails here

Guys get hurt...AP, Charles, Calvin, Gronk, demarius, Peyton, name em. The injury is literally the only negative of his year. We know when he plays he's a complete stud so hope he stays healthy.

 

[carverlee]

seriously, is anyone playing a sole daily that does not include ODB this week? How could you?

 

[Faust]

Beckham bullish on Giants' O going forward:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/41284/beckham-bullish-on-giants-o-going-forward

 

[Banger]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2308129-odell-beckham-jr-is-definition-of-special-talent-with-rookie-domination

 

[Bri]

Ever heard of Miles Austin?

Tell me about Miles. I don't recall he and a hammy.

I remember young Isaac Bruce struggling with a hammy. It would be an issue for 2 or 3 years until he got with an olympic trainer (and if I'm not mistaken, he married an olympic runner) and changed much of his own personal routine. I remember him speaking about his diet quite a bit too.

Bruce would do what the team asked and run through practice and we'd get articles about this or that and then he'd sit or go see a doc and then practice and oh he's at a specialist now and....there was a reporting that's common.

Beckham came to the Gmen and missed time from their first day. Rookie "camp" OTAs, you name it, he missed time OR was a guy working with the Jeggs machine on the sideline.

The Giants were one of a few teams this year that began a new hamstring therapy. It was like an implied you gotta stay and do this but yet it's not a rule type new routine. It involved icing (nearly frozen water cycled over the hammy with a pump) and a cool down period before and then some walking and...I forget the whole routine; I think there was a before practice routine with warm water too. A few teams tried it this year and they were one of them. ODB didn't participate but most everyone did for the Gmen and other teams. They spoke of it on sports radio like ummm we have this state of the art new system to hopefully prevent hamstring injuries and the guy with a hamstring injury won't do it.

 

[Bri]

Guys get hurt...AP, Charles, Calvin, Gronk, demarius, Peyton, name em. The injury is literally the only negative of his year. We know when he plays he's a complete stud so hope he stays healthy.

No doubt he's been awesome and sure everyone gets hurt.

All I'm saying is if he misses time this offseason, this will be an issue again.

He went from day one til what? week 5? barely practicing and catching passes from a Jeggs machine on the sideline.

Coughlin has coached for 1000 years and at some point he stopped trying to give up dates and his tune was more "your guess is as good as mine," He and the GM were both frustrated and there was a time people questioned if the Giants team doc or trainer was handling it right.

Some fans would call into radio stations asking if he was damaged goods when they drafted him.

"A tweaked hamstring" people thought must be garbage, it must be a big tear or something more significant, but Coughlin was asked about that and said they did MRIs they'd obviously know if it was a serious tear.

If Brady misses time with an ingrown toenail, we consider it veteran rest during an offseason. When a rookie shows up and misses most every offseason activity, it raises eyebrows. Is he really hurt badly? Primadonna type WR? What's going on? Type Qs come out.

He is excellent and he will be the focus of every NFC East DC and surely some others this offseason as well. He'd better be ready to put the time in "upping" his game.

Banger, he thinks he's hot stuff too. A guy that thinks as such and misses practices...you know that doesn't go over well and over time that becomes a problem.

He recently was given a day of rest and hung out with Lebron that night. All the guys that did practice had to think hmmmm at that.

All I'm saying is he had better put the time in. Let's see how the offseason plays out. IF IF IF there's an issue then all this will definitely come up again

 

[Banger]

He's talking to Jordan and Lebron to get advice on what it takes to be the best. My perception and from everything I've read that he is a guy that's a really hard worker and puts in the time and effort. Not a slacker as you portray but we'll over time.

 

[petenice15]

What's wrong with going out to dinner when practice is over? If I remember correctly, that was the week after the Cowboys game where his back got a little banged up at the end. I'll guaruntee he was at the facility that day getting treatment and then went out after. Who cares??

If you've heard him interviewed and follow him on social media, you wouldn't think he was the prima donna you're trying to make him out to be.

 

[Bayhawks]

What's wrong with going out to dinner when practice is over? If I remember correctly, that was the week after the Cowboys game where his back got a little banged up at the end. I'll guaruntee he was at the facility that day getting treatment and then went out after. Who cares??

If you've heard him interviewed and follow him on social media, you wouldn't think he was the prima donna you're trying to make him out to be.

You shouldn't make guarantees unless you know what you are guaranteeing is true.

I don't know one way or the other whether he was getting treatment that day or not (nor do you), so I wouldn't guarantee that he was or wasn't.

Also, just because a player is a good interview doesn't mean he is not a prima donna. It could mean that he is an intelligent guy who knows how to say the right things when a camera is on him. He could say all the right things on camera and on Facebook, Twitter, etc and still be a lazy, self-entitled "me-first" type player. I don't know enough about him or his practice habits to say he is/is not a prima donna, but just because he is well-polished when it comes to media doesn't mean he isn't one.

 

[fredsavage]

Coughlin has never been one to mince words when it comes to evaluation of his players. He's had nothing but good things to say about odb and from watching the games it seems like when there is a miscommunication between odb and Eli it's always Eli raising his hand saying my bad. There is no reason at this time to question beckhams work ethic IMO

 

[Bri]

He's talking to Jordan and Lebron to get advice on what it takes to be the best. My perception and from everything I've read that he is a guy that's a really hard worker and puts in the time and effort. Not a slacker as you portray but we'll over time.

I said we'll see what happens this offseason.

He only texted Jordan because Jordan turned him down saying that he needed to be focused and they could meet after the season.