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WR Preston Williams, MIA (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Tried to buy in dynasty. Owner wants most of my 2022 draft. I'm still considering it.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Drafted him at 14.2 in my .5 PPR redraft league but had to move him when I was offered Diontae Johnson straight up.
Still have him on three dynasty teams
Still have him on three dynasty teams
Milkman
Footballguy
That's a solid move there. Nice upgrade!Drafted him at 14.2 in my .5 PPR redraft league but had to move him when I was offered Diontae Johnson straight up.
Still have him on three dynasty teams
Milkman
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, but it's 2022. With the COVID college football situation, I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't just deal away the 1-2 for an asset I'm very high on.
I-ROK
Footballguy
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
LawFitz said:
Dadgumit... Y'all did NOT talk me off the ledge! I offered the other owner my Devante for (now) his Preston and he jumped on it.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
So happy I now know what this means and that I'm using it properly!
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
old(er) school version of that is :sehorn:
So happy I now know what this means and that I'm using it properly!
LawFitz
Footballguy
Again, sample size isn't robust, so this could be entirely meaningless, but...
In their 8 games playing together last season, 4 times Preston out-targeted Parker by 2+ targets, while Parker did the same to Preston twice. The other two games, they were within one target of one another. Parker was producing but didn't truly breakout until Preston went down and he was able to hoard targets during the 2nd half of the season.
Can we extrapolate the above into this season and beyond? Can't say. But I could definitely come up with compelling arguments for both sides. I'd guess both players canabalize one another when healthy into WR3/flex plays at best - unless/until this offense becomes more potent (Tua?).
apalmer
Footballguy
Funny, I've been thinking both would be more valuable with gunslinging Fitz than with Tua.
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
My thinking echos that of recent comments you and Zyphros made in response to my original question.
- Parker had been, at best, inconsistent during his first several years. Questions of effort, I believe, were mentioned as well.
- Preston basically matched the veteran Parker in the first half of his rookie season! To me that is a "Wow!"
- Preston is younger (I play dynasty), bigger, and seems to have a knack for sideline wizardry.
- Preston was good his first year and odds are that he will be better his 2nd and beyond.
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
I agree as well - for this year at least. If Tua is what they hope he is, I could be forced to change my opinion as early as next year.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yeah, maybe. Fitz is good for WRs because a) he just slings the ball non stop, b) he’s mediocre enough that the team plays from behind a lot. If Tua is actually good, they could have a more balanced offense, which might hurt Preston.....
LawFitz
Footballguy
Likely they would this year.
Or maybe not... Tua is a far superior prospect and he wouldn't be the first top-10 drafted QB to step in and make waves right away upon starting. But that is extreme best case. More likely 'best' case is Tua underperforms Fitz this season, but still shows promise and makes big jump(s) next year or two.
Worst case is the entire offense goes underwater once it's transitioned to Tua. That's a very real possibility too.
I-ROK
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
A few things from a Miami boy
-I don't believe Miami is sure when they will insert Tua and some shouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see a lot of action this year coming off a major hip injury. There's just no rush.
-Last year Miami was all over the map Weeks 1-7, then they started getting an identity and that includes a lot of Devante Parker. I'm not saying they can't have 2 good WRs that can flourish and there really isn't much past these 2 guys, nobody is going to take away their chances including the other guy or starting WR. This isn't Preston vs Parker IMHO, it's more about each of them carving out an identity on this team and Parker did that last season and was rewarded with 1 year extension at first and then that was redone into a 4 year extension, Miami never had to do that but chose to.
-Preston is very talented and having an actual threat lined up across from him can only help. Gesicki seems to be getting better, again that only helps. Fitz has a package of plays he seems very comfortable with and Miami also seems very comfortable with Fitz, wouldn't shock me if he played all 16 weeks. I wouldn't focus on Tua right now, who knows which WR he will key in on if he can even read an NFL defense, protect his hip, not be running for his life, operating behind an inferior OL vs his college team, nothing at RB like what he saw at Alabama, the kid has a long way to go before we try and analyze his impact but I don't think it would be wise to play him much in 2020.
He started 7 Games for Miami before injuries got him, his size is what grabs you, 6-5/225, this guy is a jump ball hawk near the end zone, last year he had 3, on pace for 6.
last year he might have finished with 50/750/6TD if he played all year, that would have likely made him a Top35-40 WR selected.
My gut says 50-750-5/6TD seems like a decent bet but I wouldn't expect a ton more than that. I hope those of you that are huge fans, I hope it works out, only helps my Phins.
-I don't believe Miami is sure when they will insert Tua and some shouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see a lot of action this year coming off a major hip injury. There's just no rush.
-Last year Miami was all over the map Weeks 1-7, then they started getting an identity and that includes a lot of Devante Parker. I'm not saying they can't have 2 good WRs that can flourish and there really isn't much past these 2 guys, nobody is going to take away their chances including the other guy or starting WR. This isn't Preston vs Parker IMHO, it's more about each of them carving out an identity on this team and Parker did that last season and was rewarded with 1 year extension at first and then that was redone into a 4 year extension, Miami never had to do that but chose to.
-Preston is very talented and having an actual threat lined up across from him can only help. Gesicki seems to be getting better, again that only helps. Fitz has a package of plays he seems very comfortable with and Miami also seems very comfortable with Fitz, wouldn't shock me if he played all 16 weeks. I wouldn't focus on Tua right now, who knows which WR he will key in on if he can even read an NFL defense, protect his hip, not be running for his life, operating behind an inferior OL vs his college team, nothing at RB like what he saw at Alabama, the kid has a long way to go before we try and analyze his impact but I don't think it would be wise to play him much in 2020.
He started 7 Games for Miami before injuries got him, his size is what grabs you, 6-5/225, this guy is a jump ball hawk near the end zone, last year he had 3, on pace for 6.
last year he might have finished with 50/750/6TD if he played all year, that would have likely made him a Top35-40 WR selected.
My gut says 50-750-5/6TD seems like a decent bet but I wouldn't expect a ton more than that. I hope those of you that are huge fans, I hope it works out, only helps my Phins.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Without looking it up I'm sure you're close. The #2 WR in Miami, where do you have him ranked? 48/700/5, 50/750/6, 55/800/6...pick whatever stat you like but I am always super cautious of getting married to anybody's stats, (My own, FBG, random sites, anyone) I look for a general land point that I would be happy with and then I check it against other players and see who isn't on folks radar...hence why many of you are here
I'm just sharing that I understand the excitement, I'm hoping he can play all 16 games this year as a Sophomore in the NFL, camp notes are strong and he does see some pretty sharp DBs all week floating around in Miami secondary so he's not gonna be in any shell shock on Sundays I assure you.
In redraft I can't imagine starting him Week 1 but maybe I need to wake up, we'll see on Sunday. If others are simply Dynasty owners, two different conversations. I'm kinda focused on Sunday right now. Again maybe I'm not seeing it yet.
Let me put it this way...DeSean Jackson in redraft, this week vs Wash and he's the only guy...he might be your WR5/6 but I understand people playing him this week ahead of guys they took 6 rounds earlier but in Preston Williams' case I would want to use a sit and see approach this week.
I hope that's clear now, cheers!
-OZ-
Footballguy
I just won't commit that far out now in most leagues. I read this as Adams at first. Seemed a bit high. I'd trade my Parkers for him for sure.
The Frankman
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
Good to know, a 2 for 7 statline isn't great, but knowing that Gilmore was on him makes it much more palatable. But, will he do much better against White next week, even with Parker out?
Could be a buy low after Week 2 before he blows away the Jags in week 3.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I got Preston Williams in almost league. Later I looked at his schedule and thought: holy crap these first two weeks will be awful.
Look at those CB stats. Frightening.
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/stephon-gilmore/
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/tredavious-white/
I've been on the Unicorn train since last year and I'm even more encouraged now. He may have a down year from the ACL but after his questionable character profile I think seeing him on 90%+ snaps week 1 shows that he attacked his rehab with a vengeance. I think he sees the opportunity he has and he's doing everything he can to seize it. I think it's a big deal he's come back as strong as he has.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Not feeling unicorny today
The Frankman
Footballguy
Williams wasn't 100% and you've really got to be on your game facing these top corners. Gotta bench him this week also.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
The FBG lineup dominator recommends him all over my lineups, but I am also benching him this week.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
I'm slightly worried. I'm hoping this is just him coming back from injury and being rusty.
He had a dropped TD on 4th and 2, he fumbled the ball that could of been a TD before he went to the ground on his lone catch for 26 yards, and he only caught 1-5 balls thrown his way.
This is his trend now that he's had tons of opportunity to really show out and become special during those moments, he's come up small over and over again. Not just this year but last year as well. He's still ultra talented and in a good position but with them likely taking some WR's next year, possibly a RB and the unknown of Tua I'm starting to get a bit nervous that he isn't special.
He had a dropped TD on 4th and 2, he fumbled the ball that could of been a TD before he went to the ground on his lone catch for 26 yards, and he only caught 1-5 balls thrown his way.
This is his trend now that he's had tons of opportunity to really show out and become special during those moments, he's come up small over and over again. Not just this year but last year as well. He's still ultra talented and in a good position but with them likely taking some WR's next year, possibly a RB and the unknown of Tua I'm starting to get a bit nervous that he isn't special.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Was so happy to get this guy as a WR4. Yikes.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
How is he working out for you all?
-Refusal to listen to local fans in the know is a bad habit some of y'all need to break. Lot of potential but if all you did was follow box scores or highlights you might be left with a warm feeling right now.
-Refusal to listen to local fans in the know is a bad habit some of y'all need to break. Lot of potential but if all you did was follow box scores or highlights you might be left with a warm feeling right now.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Thx for the local intel MoP. Would be interested in periodic, in-season updates if you are willing!
Is he droppable in 12 team leagues then you think? Cole is my option for waiver. Or NO DST.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
1st, I do apologize for coming across arrogant even if you agree with some of what i'm saying, and i sincerely say this, I hope I'm wrong. I think Preston Williams has tons of potential and want him to maximize himself here in Miami and I even find lots of holes in Parker's game...but I find it odd when folks can't just follow the basics which is Miami initially didn't pick up Parker's option, then it was a 1 yr deal or extension then is was suddenly 4 years and I'm just sharing that this regime doesn't do that without pretty good reason, they ran everyone else out of here including Fitzpatrick, even though he might have wanted out, they made it easy for him to go to Pitt.
I understand long term Dynasty and that's probably where I go in different directions from most. All I care about is 2020.
I think Preston will have some big moments in 2020, which exact weeks those happen is going to be very difficult to predict. But I'm with the long term approach many have and will not argue about his potential and where he might be in '21-'22, he will get better and some might simply be a little ahead of others which is probably where you want to be in dynasty. SO there.
The Frankman
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Denver724
Footballguy
Now I'm concerned. You have been driving "The Unicorn" bus since last year. Nobody has been higher on him than you.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Didn't he also face Gilmore and White in his first 2 games? Although I have every game on all of my screens (freaking NFL scheduling at noon makes it hard to pay attention to so many games), that seemed to be the case whenever I peeked over at the Miami games. I read online that they were covering him, too. If so, those guys are WR erasers. Just look at their stats from last year.
Anyway, I would hold off on burying him yet. Then again, it's all about expectations.
Anyway, I would hold off on burying him yet. Then again, it's all about expectations.
The kid is still only 10+ months out from his torn ACL. Typically it takes at least a half-season to get back to normal, but most players don't get there until the 2nd season after surgery.
The fact that he's even on the field is amazing, and I expect him to strengthen and improve all year long, assuming no setbacks occur.
If you believed in him in August (for dynasty especially), then there shouldn't be any significant change to your outlook today. And if you did believe in him in August, now is the time to try to trade for him on the cheap.
The fact that he's even on the field is amazing, and I expect him to strengthen and improve all year long, assuming no setbacks occur.
If you believed in him in August (for dynasty especially), then there shouldn't be any significant change to your outlook today. And if you did believe in him in August, now is the time to try to trade for him on the cheap.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
I'll self admit I have a short trigger for guys that don't provide a "splash" early or guys that fail to make those special catches when they have the opportunity to. There's a lot of plays he keeps leaving on the field. I continue discounting them in my head because I don't believe the ceiling is as high when they don't perform immediately. I know that's wrong in a lot of cases though. Can't help it.
Don't get me wrong, the talent is always what drew me in and I'm still VERY high on him but I'm trying to be realistic. I hope it was just the matchups that shut him down and the lingering effects of such a major injury, but special players show up in special moments. He hasn't done that yet.
