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Its not bad either.Backus, Verba, Woody, DeMulling, Butler.My only question is whether he can stay upright. the line isn't good.
Backus is the only guy I'm confident in. Woody is a decent C, but not dominant. Butler is attrocious, I hoped the Lions would have drafted a replacement. What was Verba's injury? DeMulling's alright. Overall, nothing to be confident in.Its not bad either.Backus, Verba, Woody, DeMulling, Butler.
Butler is the only guy I have questions about.
Verba wasn't injured, he just left the game for a year because he couldnt get paid what he thought he was worth.Butler played below avg last year, but Im not sure Id use the word atrocious.Backus is the only guy I'm confident in. Woody is a decent C, but not dominant. Butler is attrocious, I hoped the Lions would have drafted a replacement. What was Verba's injury? DeMulling's alright. Overall, nothing to be confident in.Its not bad either.Backus, Verba, Woody, DeMulling, Butler.
Butler is the only guy I have questions about.
Interesting, last I saw he was starting at LG.Where did you see the RT at?
209 is where the coaching staff wants him to be.
To the best of my knowledge, this is the Lions starting line:LT: Jeff Backus
I am intrigued. I had not heard anything stating that Woody might play center. Got a link?I would love to see Raiola replaced. If not by Woody, then by a cardboard box. It would block just as effectively, but without all the stupid penalties.Its not bad either.Backus, Verba, Woody, DeMulling, Butler.
Butler is the only guy I have questions about.
The Lions last year under Mariucci were a cluster####. I wouldnt use anything from their 2005 season to evaluate their prospects for 2006.
Its just my personal projection. Its how I think they could most effectively line up all the talent they have. Other than Verba at LG, and Backus at LT, I have no read anything to give me an idea of who Martz plans to line up at C, RG and RT.I am intrigued. I had not heard anything stating that Woody might play center. Got a link?I would love to see Raiola replaced. If not by Woody, then by a cardboard box. It would block just as effectively, but without all the stupid penalties.Its not bad either.Backus, Verba, Woody, DeMulling, Butler.
Butler is the only guy I have questions about.
Kitna can only throw about 15 yards. I would be careful with your expectations.
Huh? Holt has some pretty darn impressive numbers in his first few years in the league. As in firt ballot HOFer if he keeps those stats.Are you the same guy that said that Roy has more athletic ability than Chad Johnson in another thread? Is your Son and/or Dog names Roy by chance?
i don't understand the big deal about weight. 6 lbs? do they want him to drop fat, or drop muscle weight?if it's fat, then obviously he needs to get into better shape. but i doubt any NFL player is really that out of shape, so i assume that they want him to drop muscle? i don't see what the big deal is.
Motivation from the coaches to have him continue to work hard (IMO).
Nice observation.Williams' has had injuries that are common with athletes that are carrying too much mucsle mass for their frames. Williams' body fat ratio has always been at the
level. His training and weight room routines are near legendary in the Texas high school coaching circles, as well as his habits in Austin. Reshaping how his 209 pounds are being spent on his frame could go a long way in aiding Williams to complete a full NFL season.i can't tell from your response if you realize how good an athlete roy is... there aren'y many football players that already had the moniker "legend" as prep/collegiate...just a reminder... he singlehandedly put his high school team in the mix at his state track finals by finishing first & breaking state record in long jump (25'), & finishing second & third (forget which) in high jump & 100 m (ran about 10.5)... he is almost 6'2" 210+... he is taller, bigger, stronger, faster, jumps higher than holt...
YAC
who needs the ball to be thrown 40 yards when you have the ability to gain 40 after the catch?
As usual Bob, good points all around. It would be ludicrous to think that Roy = Holt or Chad Johnson right now as a WR, but athletically? There aren't too many better in the league.
As this has become a Kitna hijack, I'll link to the discussion in the Kitna thread hereIn order for Martz' scheme to be truly effective, the QB needs to be able to throw vertically and stretch the field. I highly doubt that any WR will have good YAC if the defense knows they only have to cover the short and intermediate routes, without fear of getting burned deep.YACAs usual Bob, good points all around. It would be ludicrous to think that Roy = Holt or Chad Johnson right now as a WR, but athletically? There aren't too many better in the league.
imo, when i have seen the QB distance throw competitions in offseason (this may have already been pointed out upthread), it is a revelation how few guys can uncork a throw 60 yards on the fly... also, how closely they are bunched together... i doubt if there are many UNDER 50 yards, but also few over 60...so we are talking about a few yards difference...As this has become a Kitna hijack, I'll link to the discussion in the Kitna thread hereIn order for Martz' scheme to be truly effective, the QB needs to be able to throw vertically and stretch the field. I highly doubt that any WR will have good YAC if the defense knows they only have to cover the short and intermediate routes, without fear of getting burned deep.YACAs usual Bob, good points all around. It would be ludicrous to think that Roy = Holt or Chad Johnson right now as a WR, but athletically? There aren't too many better in the league.
you must be out of your mind fool, saying something so fooloish !!!!!
anyone thats says a pro QB can only throw a football 15 yards should not even be involved in football.
imo, when i have seen the QB distance throw competitions in offseason (this may have already been pointed out upthread), it is a revelation how few guys can uncork a throw 60 yards on the fly... also, how closely they are bunched together... i doubt if there are many UNDER 50 yards, but also few over 60...so we are talking about a few yards difference...As this has become a Kitna hijack, I'll link to the discussion in the Kitna thread hereIn order for Martz' scheme to be truly effective, the QB needs to be able to throw vertically and stretch the field. I highly doubt that any WR will have good YAC if the defense knows they only have to cover the short and intermediate routes, without fear of getting burned deep.YACAs usual Bob, good points all around. It would be ludicrous to think that Roy = Holt or Chad Johnson right now as a WR, but athletically? There aren't too many better in the league.
neither warner or bulger were known for having cannons strapped to the side of their body... i'm guessing if they all (including kitna) lined up in a distance throwing contest, they might be about 5 yards apart...
i do follow the rams closely... not too many times do i recall either warner or bulger launching a pass 60 yards in the air (as noted above, i doubt they could throw that far even in a distance contest where accuracy isn't paramount)... even a LONG pass in martz system would usually be, at most, 30-40 yards... kitna can throw the ball that far...
as has also been pointed out above, a lot of passes are slants & ins where they RAC...
if anything, arm strength might come in because in martz system you have to throw into very small windows, sometimes into the teeth of coverage, with a DB or two nearby... so it IS important to be able to zip a bullet 20-30 yards (not to many 50 yard deep ins)... but if warner & bulger's arm strength isn't demonstrably better than kitna on occasional bombs, not sure if there would be a big difference on short/intermediate passes?
one thing that is big part of martz system is timing patterns (& most pro-style offenses, i would imagine) & as has also been pointed out, accuracy. warner at the top & bulger may well have superior timing & accuracy... but even if kitna is 80% of those guys in timing & accuracy, he STILL may be able to put up nice stats with martz as OC...
if big part of martz system is based on timing & accuracy, & we could say this about other pro-style passing attacks, why have they been so good historically? what else are they doing different? another integral part of martz system is very complex offense with many personnel groupings, formations, shifts, etc... to cut to the chase, the premise is to keep the defense off balance... if you can run THE SAME PLAY from many different looks (or conversely, run many different plays from a common look), the thinking is it will make it a lot harder for defenses to get a bead on what you are up to in terms of tendencies...
this reduces the chance that defense can see... well, they were in this same formation in first quarter, or in the SEA game earlier in the season, so we will dial up this blitz to counter it...
the downside of all this complexity is that you can outsmart yourself... even BULGER confessed to being confused at times with all the dizzying array of possible formations just to run same play from different front (in martz interview i read once, he kept his evolving set of possible plays in XL-notebooks that were thicker than phone books & he had MANY of them...
so i think with the nature of his offense just being very complex, in this case, an experienced vet like kitna, who is known as a heady player, would actually have a skill set that meshes well with the "martz" system...
