bostonfred
Footballguy
From context it seems to mean those most common routes. Staples in your groceries might be milk bread eggs meat and cheese, staple routes would be hitch, out, crossing, slant and go
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WR Skyy Moore, KC (1 Viewer)
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joey
Footballguy
I'll go out on a slight limb here, and say I think its 50-50 Moore is the Chiefs most productive WR this season. JuJu has been mostly a non-entity since 2018, and Hardman and MVS are just one-dimensional players, who don't even do that 1 dimension all that well.
Among the rookie WR's, only London, and Burks likely see more targets than Moore, and they obviously have worse QBs than Moore, and I wouldn't be shocked if both those QB's were replaced by rookies at some point this season.
Skyy Moore is an ideal WR4 in my opinion.
Among the rookie WR's, only London, and Burks likely see more targets than Moore, and they obviously have worse QBs than Moore, and I wouldn't be shocked if both those QB's were replaced by rookies at some point this season.
Skyy Moore is an ideal WR4 in my opinion.
rockaction
Footballguy
I disagree. I think he has a learning curve ahead of him. Physically, he's 5'10" with tiny arms, which makes him a slot guy, despite the noise he can play outside. He's a slot guy, through and through, and slot guys take time to adjust to the pro game and the nuances of zones, where to sit on routes, etc. In a precision offense like the Chiefs have, and in that rough division, I expect JuJu to use his experience and months-long knowledge of the playbook to become the effective slot for this year. I think JuJu is underrated in that role and we won't really see Skyy too much until next year.
bostonfred
Footballguy
And giant hands. His arms are like ping pong paddles covered in velcro.
It's not that he plays outside, it's that he's got the speed and hands to play outside and the quickness to play slot. That's the kind of guy you can put in motion pre snap to see the coverage.
Agree that he'll need to work on his routes to get there though. I saw a Twitter video of him making a catch and he took way too many steps to stop and change direction.
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Yeah, we disagree. I don't think Moore is limited to a slot role, and I also don't think KC will necessarily use JuJu the same way the Steelers did. I wouldn't be shocked to see both guys on the field in 2-WR sets.
Moore likely will get a lot of manufactured touches as he's instantly their best YAC weapon. If JuJu doesn't look better than he has in recent years, the #1 WR job is wide open. Hardman has shown next to nothing beyond jet sweep and return skills, and MVS is awful, and they'll find that out real quick.
I would take JuJu ahead of Moore(barely) if they are both there in that WR4 range, but JuJu feels like he's going to go higher than that just off his name, so Moore likely is the better value on my eyes, and is probably the more talented player anyway, though I do agree, he's probably not going to instantly hit the ground running. Could be more of an Elijah Moore like rookie season, but with better QB play, and hopefully better health.
ETA: Current ADP has JuJu as WR29, and Moore as WR60. I'd have them both in the 35-40 range personally. For comparisons sake, MVS is WR47, and Hardman is WR61, so opinions about the pecking order are all over the place right now.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Heard an interesting stat from John Hansen that his 10 yard split on his 40 was the fastest in years. Looked it up and sure enough he ran 1.46. For comparison, Chris Johnson has the combine record at 1.43. Tyreek Hill ran a 1.50 split.
His 3 cone was 7.13 which isn't great. He will win by accelerating off the line of scrimmage and forcing teams to give him a cushion.
His 3 cone was 7.13 which isn't great. He will win by accelerating off the line of scrimmage and forcing teams to give him a cushion.
Was listening to a Chiefs podcast and the hosts said that they'd be surprised if Moore has 800 yards this year and that Reid likes his receivers to play multiple roles and that was unlikely in Moore's first year. Take it for what it's worth but I do think Moore's ADP opened really high and hasn't fully recalibrated yet. I know Hardman is dead to many FF owners but I like his ADP at this point the most of any of the KC receivers. He's the only WR who has existing chemistry w/Mahomes and knowledge and understanding of Reid's system and he'll likely be asked to do some of the things that Hill did. Obviously, he won't be nearly as effective, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a line of 70/800/4, which would make him a bargain at ADP.
[Winks]Early camp reports have JuJu/MVS/Mecole starting with Skyy Moore in a sorta Rondale Moore WR4 role. Backfield snaps in addition to regular routes. The big news will be when he's the No. 3 WR starter. Probably a post-bye rookie bump guy.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Going to be picking in the middle of my Redraft with a 2-3 man Keeper list that we acquire in the 6th round usually. I was hoping Skyy might make it to me in the middle of the 6th but it depends on where he is being taken in rookie Drafts. I would hope 2-3-4 WRs go before him and maybe a RB or 2, sometimes guys take a QB but not often.
I would love to add him with Kupp and E.Moore who I managed to snag last year in a special "13th" Rd potential keeper and I scooped him up. This season only the 6th Rd, fingers crossed he is there.
I would love to add him with Kupp and E.Moore who I managed to snag last year in a special "13th" Rd potential keeper and I scooped him up. This season only the 6th Rd, fingers crossed he is there.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I don't see Moore anywhere on last night's or this weekend's game vs the Bears but I did see Josh Gordon had 3 targets and caught none of them. I was shocked to see he still walking around an NFL sideline.
rockaction
Footballguy
He played. Three catches on three targets for twenty-three yards. Nice toe drag catch on one of them.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Feels like Moore is starting to become more of a 2023 project for Redraft purposes. I was high on him but if he isn't going to be used much past special teams this season, hard to get excited about drafting him.
Still feel like Skyy fell on to the right team with a great QB, he's cheap for the next several years, hopefully he forces his way on to the field.
Still feel like Skyy fell on to the right team with a great QB, he's cheap for the next several years, hopefully he forces his way on to the field.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
You hit that one on the head MoP
He will take time to catch on it seems, but he's still my top choice for dynasty from that group of current KC WRs
He will take time to catch on it seems, but he's still my top choice for dynasty from that group of current KC WRs
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Probably right but it's early. He is someone to keep an eye on for the second half of the season.
I don't know if I'd say 2023. The guys ahead of him are an injury prone WR(JuJu) and 2 guys who have done nothing with great opportunity before.
Just because Moore is on the outside looking in going into week 1, doesn't mean he will be in say, week 5.
He's still the 2nd KC WR I'd take in redraft.
The Frankman
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Nobody else did much so I would think his time is coming. Not super high on him but throwing some offers to see if I can get from a nervous owner. Probably too early for that but you never know unless you ask.
zamboni
Footballguy
I wouldn't disagree for redraft leagues. I'm in a keeper/dynasty though, so have to wait it out.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Buy low in dynasty. Physically he may well be better than any WR on the team.
It just probably won’t be this year.
zamboni
Footballguy
Guess it's possible we could see more of him in the second half of the season. As mentioned above, none of the other WRs are standing out, although in the post-Tyreek offense, maybe it's not critical to have a narrow target distribution.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Mahomes is very good at extending plays and finding the open man. Hill was very frequently the open man due to his illusiveness. So not so much narrow target distribution as it was Hill was always open. See also: Kelce.
Unless one of the current wideouts shows explosive separation, Mahomes is gonna get it to whoever is the most open.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well, JuJu has a balky knee, and MVS & Hardman just aren’t very good.
I was a bit surprised/disappointed that when Hardman missed time last night it was Watson who came on and capitalized and not Moore.
Moore may just not be ready for prime time in Reid’s eyes.
zamboni
Footballguy
That MVS contract is as baffling as any we've seen in recent years.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
It's wayy too soon to know what rookies will become and what rookies won't become fantasy and NFL #1's, #2's or bench fodder.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah but Pickens caught a 3 yard pass last week. He’s clearly a star in the making.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
C’mon, you’ve been playing this game a long time. Don’t you know that preseason darlings *always* = FF success? The rate is damn near 100%
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cdclopper
Footballguy
Very true, in the long run. Just in the short term you missed out on a windfall. It's not like one can predict training camp hype or anything. But, out of sheer luck, you could turn Pickens into a Skyy Moore and a half, or at least you could have when I wrote that.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Anyone dropping in redraft?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Already did, yes. IDP though, so needs at many more positions and not the deepest bench. I really didn’t want to drop him - I have a feeling he’s gonna become valuable later in the year.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Nope- those WR's didn't look great on Thursday. 10 days to figure out how to potentially get Moore involved
dipandglide
Footballguy
Clear drop in redraft. Quit dynasty if a 0 ball through two starts worries you
EBF
Footballguy
My comp for him entering the NFL was Deion Branch. That could be valuable in a Mahomes offense eventually.
That said, I think people have looked at Hardman and Skyy and been a little too quick to assume they might be the "next Tyreek". For a long time people were looking for the "next Moss" or "next Calvin", but not every player with superficial similarities is going to become a 1/1 freak superstar. Nobody on KC's roster is really equipped to do all the things Hill could do. I've been expecting a short-term dip in Mahomes's production as a result.
That said, I think people have looked at Hardman and Skyy and been a little too quick to assume they might be the "next Tyreek". For a long time people were looking for the "next Moss" or "next Calvin", but not every player with superficial similarities is going to become a 1/1 freak superstar. Nobody on KC's roster is really equipped to do all the things Hill could do. I've been expecting a short-term dip in Mahomes's production as a result.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
People said that about Hardman for what seems like the entirety of Hardman’s career as a Chief.
A common theme was “Hardman doesn’t get a lot of snaps because he fits the Hill profile, so it’d take a Hill injury for him to have value”.
Yeah - now Hill’s gone and Hardman is still Hardman.
Skyy Moore > Hardman. I think he’s more athletic than Deion Branch (and I rostered Branch for too many years - I like the guy)
IMO next year Moore will be a very popular player, and those who showed patience in dynasty will be rewarded.
An injury to one of the dudes ahead of him could result in a big ROS from whenever he starts getting a target share. He’s a good route runner & he can fly. Good hands, too.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think that's only people that follow the game superficially. I haven't heard almost any suggestion besides bad blurbs from sites that don't really put thought into their stuff that Moore is anything remotely like Tyreek Hill. I remember when people were calling Ruggs the next Hill or some such rot and it was so stupid because they're such different players with different attributes. Not only are/were they different, nobody is the "next" Tyreek Hill. He's a once in a generation guy.
rockaction
Footballguy
Now, if you're talking that Hardman fills a role as a field stretcher and occasional gadget guy, then yes, people have done that and rightfully so. Moore and Hardman are charged with picking up those roles. But Cheetah is one and only.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
all Chiefs WR's are bit players, gadget players, jokesters. Kool Aid's history with drafting WRs is legendary - in a baaad way. Going off of Kool Aid's history of flubbing picks on WRs, you can toss this guy in the attic chest along with Freddie Mitchell, Billy McMullen, J. Maclin, Jason Avant, Todd Pinkston, DeShaun one dimensional Jackson, Troy Smith, Gari Scott, Reggie Brown, and many more world-class gems such as these.
bucking historically bad trends with drafting WRs isn't something fat boy has been able to do. doubtful it ends with sky, spelled with two 'Y's Moore, will be able overcome.
bucking historically bad trends with drafting WRs isn't something fat boy has been able to do. doubtful it ends with sky, spelled with two 'Y's Moore, will be able overcome.
