ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, he wants a huge deal. That might be why.
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WR Terry McLaurin, WAS (2 Viewers)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
In there current situation however (and I do not know what he is asking for), it seems to make sense to sign him for extension that essentially ends when Daniels is up for contract. If he ends up leaving their receiver core turns into the worst in the league with a quarterback who needs to continue to develop. My comments go by the wayside if he is asking for too much.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think they complement each other. I do agree with you that Deebo will be a better fantasy asset this year. The only league I have TMC in I also have Deebo so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
I agree that he’s not an elite RL wide receiver, but for the way Washington deployed him,, he is a perfect fit for that system.
Plus, I think Washington would have a very hard time replacing him at this point and would be a significantly worse offense without him.
Birdie048
Footballguy
BoltNlava
Footballguy
This Is The Window. That's why. It is time. If not now then when? Put it off for 2 years while a later round wr matures? Gotta take your shots. He's shown he can mesh with JD. This to me seems like the best position Washington has been in a while. Right?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I do not think Deebo is the better receiver, but you could be right as far as FF performance. WAS had a lot of manufactured passes around the line of scrimmage, and that could bode well for Deebo’s stats. I would wager Terry’s TD’s regress and between the two that could certainly create your projected scenario.
NumberOneFan
Footballguy
Ok, ok. The Jets then.
We can agree to disagree and like I said they are totally different so hard comp but the player I expect Deebo to be this year is one I think is going to offer the team more then Terry.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
No 1- He's almost 30 yrs old but he's been very consistent, finally a better QB and suddenly he looks like an All Pro with 13 TDs last year, his yds didn't jump up that much
No 2- He's making close to $20M in total cash this season so he can demand a trade but he's not really going anywhere and I doubt they grant his wish
No 3- Even if Washington thought about trading him, they would want to do an even swap or a WR for WR trade because they don't want to burn a year of Daniels while he's developing
What teams would be able to pull something like that off? They have no interest in trading him for like a 3rd round pick, that doesn't really help Washington
Ramsey for Fitz happend, could a WR/WR trade also unfold?
No 2- He's making close to $20M in total cash this season so he can demand a trade but he's not really going anywhere and I doubt they grant his wish
No 3- Even if Washington thought about trading him, they would want to do an even swap or a WR for WR trade because they don't want to burn a year of Daniels while he's developing
What teams would be able to pull something like that off? They have no interest in trading him for like a 3rd round pick, that doesn't really help Washington
Ramsey for Fitz happend, could a WR/WR trade also unfold?
From what I heard from a few reliable people that once DK signed that was his starting point.
That's $33m a year on paper, but if you dial it down it's really 2/60 and the Steelers are free. If they could do a deal like that and beat it a little that seems like more then a reasonable request to me and as you can tell I'm more in the camp that thinks Terry is really good not great but that's the WR market and if they can structure this to get out after two years that seems like something the Commanders would be not have to much of a hard time with.
I'm just guessing but maybe he wants a structure more like Wilsons were there are no real outs for 3 years.
His age vs those two is I believe the sticking point for such a request.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Possibly, have not seen peak Deebo for a minute. If that shows up I will agree with you. However, let’s not pretend Terry is nothing. He was a big part of that offense last year and if he were to leave WAS has a major problem. I agree he is not top tier, but it makes too much sense to pay the guy to keep things rolling and have his contract be a non-issue once Daniels needs the bag.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Curious do you think Metcalf is worth the $33mil he’s making? Terry had more catches (82 vs 66) more yards (1096 vs 992) and almost tripled DK with touchdowns (13 vs 5) despite them only having 9 targets difference between them in 2024. So clearly the market was already set and if Metcalf is getting $33 mil I don’t know how you can think Terry isn’t as well with much better numbers. Just a homers 2 cents.
And to me he was every bit of that the first few games of last year before he got pnuemonio and hurt.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Time will tell, hope you are right. One the more fun players to watch when at a prime level.
No, I'm a Steeler fan and was one of the few who was not thrilled with that trade.
Seeing it's really 2/60 made it a little more palatable but would have preferred they kept the second round pick and tried to work things out with George for at least this year.
I'm not anti pay WR though. Jet's made a good deal with Wilson IMO.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Garret Wilson could use someone to take the pressure off...
Terry is in the perfect spot to ask for over market value. And he deserves it. As been mentioned - this is their window and it's too late to bring in another player and still expect the same offensive consistency. They need to pay him as long as he's not asking for a record breaking contract
Terpman22
Footballguy
New Ownership, maybe?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Maybe. But with a young QB and a window with a rookie contract..,it makes too much sense not to waste these years.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
It's so hard to find someone exceptional at the QB position. Daniels looked legit last year as a rookie. If I'm the team, I don't really want to take way his best weapon headed into year two. If I had this seasoned veteran QB, then sure, I can see just moving on. I think you use kid gloves with Daniels resulting in paying Terry more then id want just to keep continuity. Imo
Chaka
Footballguy
He has 4.35 speed, five straight 1,000+ yard seasons (900+ as a rookie) with arguably the worst roster of QBs in the league (2019-2023), hasn't missed a game in four seasons, won't be 30 for another two months or so and had his best season last year. He may not be Chase, JJ or CeeDee but it's difficult to argue he isn't in that next tier with Puka, Nabers, ARSB etc.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I love Terry but he has a year left on his deal and we can tag him twice. He’s getting terrible advice from his “agent”. I’m sure Peters wants to give him a reasonable extension but he’s gotta come back to earth’s atmosphere first.
His “agent” has Terry and like 5 or 6 nobodies in his book. He doesn’t know what he’s doing.
More than anything I’m just disappointed Terry is dumb enough to buy into his nonsense.
His “agent” has Terry and like 5 or 6 nobodies in his book. He doesn’t know what he’s doing.
More than anything I’m just disappointed Terry is dumb enough to buy into his nonsense.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Except all of those guys are 25 years old or less. Terry will be 31 when his extension starts.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Terpman22
Footballguy
I think they should make him the highest paid WR
That's what he was at the combine, most 30 year old's get slower.
And that's a whopping 65.7 yards a game during that time. Good, not great and this all relative to pay.
And his overall numbers did not improve with a stud QB, just TD's.
So if the argument is bad QB play brought his numbers down I'd think it stands to reason if he saw no uptick with improved QB play it suggests he's losing a step.
I believe in trying to pay players for what you think they will do, not what they did.
He will play two more games in his life before he turns 30 so please lets's not do this and just call him 30.
I don't think that's difficult at all but again this all relative to contract and none of them get paid remotely like he's asking, of course the first two are in no position to make that demand now but if they were on the open market of course they'd be worth a lot more due in part to ability but also age. This is a multi year future commitment, again not paying for what you did.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Do you know what he's asking for? Because all I've heard is DK money and that sounds fairly reasonable.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Schefter said “significantly more” than DK. Maybe that’s more AAV, maybe it’s longer commitment, or both. Either way, DK is 4 years younger. Sutton is a much better comp. Higgins deal would be reasonable.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Neither player means as much to their offense as Terry does. WAS has had him and nobody else, and even Deebo is a compliment to his style of play.
The question becomes if you don't pay him, then how do you replace him? That's the situation WAS is in, and not a situation that Sutton or Higgins find themselves in. Even Pitt didn't /need/ DK, they just didn't want to keep their own headache in house and their QB is old enough that he doesn't need a bunch of reps to get up to speed with a new player.
I don't mind him making over what he would be anywhere else, because WAS needs him more than anywhere else.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
They don’t have to pay him or replace him. He’s under contract for another year and can be tagged twice. He has no leverage and is using up all the goodwill he’s earned quickly. If he comes back to earth he’ll get paid. If he doesn’t, he won’t.
I actually totally forgot about his recent extension and you are right, that's a lot better comp.
Chaka
Footballguy
Who is he losing goodwill with?
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I live in Philly and the broadcasters here are brutal.
They would probably be on his side if I had to guess.
fatness
Footballguy
Agree.
And a reminder of the stats from earlier this thread. Washington badly needs McLaurin and will be giving up wins if they trade him in my opinion.
Washington QBs when throwing to Terry McLaurin since he entered the league:
• 100.3 passer rating
• 8.8 yards per attempt
• 2.5 TD/INT ratio
• 0.27 EPA per dropback
Washington QBs throwing to anyone other than McLaurin since 2019:
• 82.0 passer rating
• 6.2 yards per attempt
• 1.3 TD/INT ratio
• -0.13 EPA per dropback
https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1945998703069696238
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sounds like Terry's agent talking
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Exactly, at the very least they need someone to replace his stats or they'd be going into the season handicapping their still growing phenom at QB.
Washington NEEDs a guy who Daniels is comfortable with. And they already have him. So why mess with that as long as he's not asking for top tier WR money?
I've got absolutely no factual basis on which to have this optinion... But if I were to hazard a guess the hold up is that Terry wants to be as close to fully guaranteed as possible, and we're seeing how that kind of thing plays out.
Chaka
Footballguy
DK is two years, three months younger than McLaurin (27 & 229 days to 29 & 319 days).
And, I think it is important to consider who is feeding Schefter his information. I'm guessing it's a team source not a player source.
Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
McLaurin is going to get a deal from the Commanders. It’s been said here but this is possible with the Daniel rookie QB deal. No way the Commanders squander this window for a player that has been consistently great over his entire career with the team. I expect a deal in the next week. I don’t see this dragging on for long. Cooler heads will prevail on this matter.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
The fact is we don't know the numbers from either side. I'm surprised Terry's agent hasn't put it out there TBH. **Which could be that asking price is so high he doesn't want to.
But we do know he is under contract, and WAS can hold him to it. And WAS can franchise him next year for a friendly amount for the team. All without taking any risk, cause if Terry gets hurt they just don't tag him. I guess he could choose not to play, but that only invalidates his year and pushes his same salary to 2026.
Terry has little negotiating power here. And that's a combo of the last deal he signed and what the NFLPA negotiated in their current agreement. And to me that's why he's asking for the trade. It's his last grasp.
I do think the team should redo his deal. 3 years maybe $29/yr. But they are certainly not in a position where they have to. I firmly believe Peters is of the NE ilk. "We need a QB and a DEF". everything else on Offense is replaceable. SF was similar in the DEF focus.
But we do know he is under contract, and WAS can hold him to it. And WAS can franchise him next year for a friendly amount for the team. All without taking any risk, cause if Terry gets hurt they just don't tag him. I guess he could choose not to play, but that only invalidates his year and pushes his same salary to 2026.
Terry has little negotiating power here. And that's a combo of the last deal he signed and what the NFLPA negotiated in their current agreement. And to me that's why he's asking for the trade. It's his last grasp.
I do think the team should redo his deal. 3 years maybe $29/yr. But they are certainly not in a position where they have to. I firmly believe Peters is of the NE ilk. "We need a QB and a DEF". everything else on Offense is replaceable. SF was similar in the DEF focus.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
there's no way the universe allows this guy to fall into Mike Vrable's lap.
fatness
Footballguy
Yeah, both sides have been pleasantly tight-lipped about numbers so far. The "wanting a trade" thing is the first break in that silence.
I'm pretty convinced that both sides have a schedule they're looking at for "if signed by X/X/XX, then this happens." "If signed by X/X/XX then that happens." Today must have come up on one of their schedules "If not signed by this date, request trade to get things moving".
fatness
Footballguy
Washington fans have a LOT of negotiating power. Especially coming off a new owner, an unexpected run into the playoffs, ongoing negotiations for a new stadium. There's a hell of a lot of goodwill flowing around the team right now and a good bit of it will be lost if they don't sign him. Another camp body and a pile of money left on the bench won't win them any games.
Terpman22
Footballguy
How much good will will be lost if they don’t resign him, he holds out, gets traded, the Commanders don’t win 7 last second games and end up with 6-8 wins?
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Well not all fans are on his side. I'm certainly not. Would love to have him back. He's a top 20 WR. But he is not acting like a "team" guy if everything is heading in the right direction for the franchise and he's the only 'problem' right now. He's using that situation to try to get a new deal. Which hey, you do you Terry. But I doubt a real team guy would laugh about having the 16th highest WR salary this season (~23M). He wants his next paycheck. Fine. But this fan is not on his side about it.
fatness
Footballguy
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Over the past two years, at least three wide receivers requested trades: Tee Higgins, Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk. None were traded in the year in which they made the request.McLaurin is now the latest WR to seek a trade when failing to land the contract he wanted.
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1951055846063907031
@AdamSchefter
Over the past two years, at least three wide receivers requested trades: Tee Higgins, Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk. None were traded in the year in which they made the request.McLaurin is now the latest WR to seek a trade when failing to land the contract he wanted.
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1951055846063907031
fatness
Footballguy
I think you're in the vast minority.
"There are dozens of us!"
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same age, probably same ask. Both dudes in a situation as a primary target with a young QB. Almost identical.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Well the 980/106.7 fan poll showed it was 50/50.
