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Looks like we haven't had much success finding articles on lifespan by position...so let's speculate on some specific players (and maybe that will bring up some of the original research)...

So, including 2006, how many more seasons do you think these guys have a reasonable chance of finishing in the top 10 fantasy WRs?Hines Ward (30) - 2 top 10 finishes so far

Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Eric Moulds (33) - 2 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far

Joey Galloway (34) - 3 top 10 finishes so far

Rod Smith (36) = 3 top 10 finishes so far

 
Age is not that big a deal until you start hitting around 35. THere are several other WR in the 30+ bracket (not sure that they are all Top 10 worthy, but here they are anyway . . .

Terry Glenn 32 - 0 Top 10 finishes so far

Donald Driver 31 - 2 Top 10 seasons

Keenan McCardell 36 - 1 Top 10 season

Eddie Kennison 33 - 0 Top 10 seasons

Joe Jurevicius 32 - 0 Top 10 seasons

Derrick Mason 31 - 1 Top 10 season

Keyshawn Johnson 34 - 1 Top 10 season

Amani Toom 32 - 1 Top 10 season

Muhsin Muhammad 33 - 2 Top 10 seasons

Bobby Engram 33 - 0 Top 10 seasons

Marty Booker 30 - 0 Top 10 seasons

Marcus Robinson 31 - 1 Top 10 seasons

Isaac Bruce 34 - 4 Top 10 seasons

Brandon Stokely 30 - 0 Top 10 seasons

Peerless Price 30 - 1 Top 10 season

There are also a couple other WR 30 that should see a fair amount of time tihis sesaon as well. I'm guessing that 30-40% of the league's starting WRs are 30+ (or should see a fair amount of action).

HERE is the article on age that you were probably looking for.

 
Threw some more bait in the water and finally caught me a tip from Yudkin, thanks for the link :thumbup:

I did limit my list to guys with at least 2 prior years in the top 10 and I editorially clipped a few guys...but I'm happy to have them in the disucssion...

Of the cuff I'm thinking something like:

Hines Ward (30) - 3 more years

Torry Holt (30) - 4 more years

Terrell Owens (32) - 3 more years

Marvin Harrison (33) - 3 more years

Eric Moulds (33) - 2 more years

Joe Horn (34) - 2 more years

Joey Galloway (34) - 1 more year

Rod Smith (36) - 1 more year

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Donald Driver - 2 more years

Muhsin Muhammad - 1 more year

Isaac Bruce - 0 more years

What say you?

 
Looks like we haven't had much success finding articles on lifespan by position...so let's speculate on some specific players (and maybe that will bring up some of the original research)...

So, including 2006, how many more seasons do you think these guys have a reasonable chance of finishing in the top 10 fantasy WRs?Hines Ward (30) - 2 top 10 finishes so far

Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Eric Moulds (33) - 2 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far

Joey Galloway (34) - 3 top 10 finishes so far

Rod Smith (36) = 3 top 10 finishes so far
Actually there has been plenty of discussion of age espcially @ RB and WR. I have a few minutes this morning and I will see if I can find some of these past threads. But if you looking at dynasty threads from the NFL off-season I am sure you will some info and thoughts. (Yes, I am nicely trying to tell you to use the search function more efficiently). As for WR specifically, they are regularly productive fantasy players well into thier mid 30s. Peek performance generally is around 27-32. while guys who have a history of elite performance and/or quality athletic bodies remain viable fantasy candidates until 35 if not higher. Unless an older player has had specific injury troubles (maybe Bruce) or has shown regression in his performance indidvidually (could argue Molds), age should be a minimal consideration in term of evaluation.

In fact, there are plenty of people who specifically target older WRs especially at WR 3-5 in both dynasty and redraft because as a group the production versus ADP is generally good.

 
Funny, I'm usually the guy pointing people to the search...I assume you didn't mean to post the same link 3 times, but I appreciate the effort all the same...

Let me come right to the point, what I'm really asking about is the number of good-to-great years these guys have left...I play in a contract league and I'm wondering how long of a contract these guys warrant before their production begins to decline...

So, am I underestimating the longevity of these guys or maybe expecting a little too much?...if you had could lock one of these guys up for up to 10 years, how long would you want him on your roster?

(Edit: some veteran WR discussion here, mostly Harrison)

 
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Funny, I'm usually the guy pointing people to the search...I assume you didn't mean to post the same link 3 times, but I appreciate the effort all the same...

Let me come right to the point, what I'm really asking about is the number of good-to-great years these guys have left...I play in a contract league and I'm wondering how long of a contract these guys warrant before their production begins to decline...

So, am I underestimating the longevity of these guys or maybe expecting a little too much?...if you had could lock one of these guys up for up to 10 years, how long would you want him on your roster?

(Edit: some veteran WR discussion here, mostly Harrison)
yeah, probably should not be using the cut/paste feature pre-coffee on Saturday morning :bag:
 
Alright, let's try to simplify this...how many more years in the top 10 do you see for these guys?Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far

 
Alright, let's try to simplify this...how many more years in the top 10 do you see for these guys?Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far
Small nitpick, Harrison will be 34 in a few weeks before the season starts. Makes him look a little younger in comparison to the other studs you mention that have already had their birthdays.
 
Alright, let's try to simplify this...how many more years in the top 10 do you see for these guys?Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far
okayOwens- 1 maybe two...stays is shape enough to do it, but still gets little injuries and can't get out the way of his own personality.

Harrison- has been is a slight slow decline, so I am going none, or a couple very barely. Still will be value as a fantasy lower 1/high two for 2 or 3 year though.

Holt- talent to have 3 or 4 more, I would be more sure Martz was still directing things

Horn- If he does not do one this year, I think we won't see him at that level.

 
Alright, let's try to simplify this...how many more years in the top 10 do you see for these guys?Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far
okayOwens- 1 maybe two...stays is shape enough to do it, but still gets little injuries and can't get out the way of his own personality.

Harrison- has been is a slight slow decline, so I am going none, or a couple very barely. Still will be value as a fantasy lower 1/high two for 2 or 3 year though.

Holt- talent to have 3 or 4 more, I would be more sure Martz was still directing things

Horn- If he does not do one this year, I think we won't see him at that level.
I seem remember a number of threads talking about Horn retiring in 2 to 3 seasons after he signed his contract extension last year. I tried a search, but couldn't find the thread, must of been pruned.
 
Small nitpick, Harrison will be 34 in a few weeks before the season starts. Makes him look a little younger in comparison to the other studs you mention that have already had their birthdays.
Fair point, I was just capturing current age without really looking to the upcoming season...but you're right, Harrison's birthday is just around the corner...
 
Alright, let's try to simplify this...how many more years in the top 10 do you see for these guys?Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far
okayOwens- 1 maybe two...stays is shape enough to do it, but still gets little injuries and can't get out the way of his own personality.

Harrison- has been is a slight slow decline, so I am going none, or a couple very barely. Still will be value as a fantasy lower 1/high two for 2 or 3 year though.

Holt- talent to have 3 or 4 more, I would be more sure Martz was still directing things

Horn- If he does not do one this year, I think we won't see him at that level.
You've got me thinking maybe I've been too generous...if I were locking these guys up as my WR1 in a contract league maybe I should be looking more at something like this:Torry Holt (30) - 3 more years

Terrell Owens (32) - 2 more years

Marvin Harrison (33+) - 2 more years

Joe Horn (34) - 1 more year

Any others think maybe this is too conservative?

 
I don't see Horn being Top 10 again, but maybe that's just me . . .
This is probably where the question is a little skewed...I'm presuming a guy on your roster that you can grant a contract...in the case of Horn, if you've already got him, how long would you want to keep him...I'd say this year is more than enough...
 
I've done a little research on this issue, and have charted the number of "very good" seasons turned in by players at each age, in an attempt to estimate the age at which I felt it was necessary to move a player into an age-related risk group. The most dramtic drop-off in the number of good seasons turned in was between the ages of 32 and 33. After 33, the numbers dwindled to practically zero by age 36. Suffice it to say that Holt has at least 3 years left in him, but the other guys are certainly worth worrying about, especially in a dynasty format. I'll try to figure out how to attach chart of my WR research with some commentary on individual players to follow.

Link to Chart

WR, Age 36, The Deadzone

Keenan McCardell- His body is too old, and his quarterback is too young. There are all kinds of warning flags here. You'd be wise to let someone else roll the dice on him.

Rod Smith- Walker’s arrival in Denver pushes Smith to a #2, and at 36, it’s difficult to keep expecting 1000 yards from him.

WR, Age 35, Fading Fast

Joey Galloway- We contend that last year’s stellar year was a fluke. Galloway has the hardest schedule against the pass in the league this year, and he’ll have to fight young Michael Clayton for the primary receiver role. At 35 years old,, we fully expect a healthy reduction in his fantasy scoring for Galloway.

WR, Age 34, Hanging On

Marvin Harrison– Harrison did have a couple surgeries on his wrist in the offseason, and last year, for the first time since the late 1990’s, Harrison didn’t even lead the team in receptions (That honor went to Reggie Wayne.) He is still the #1 receiver in the most explosive passing offense in the league, but there are a couple of warning signs here. He's still easily a top 10 receiver even on the decline, but he's no longer a top 3 option.

Isaac Bruce– Bruce is 34, and has actually looked pretty old these last couple of years. Holt supplanted him as the team's #1 receiver a few years back, and he has struggled with injuries and inconsistency ever since. The writing is on the wall.

Joe Horn– Horn is another guy who struggled through injuries last year, and saw a huge decrease in his production. Some people think that he will be coming back healthy this year, but I think that history will tell us that it is much easier to bounce back from an injury if you are young. We'll most likely avoid this situation this year.

Keyshawn Johnson– Johnson is a good hands guy, and a great downfield blocker. He won't carry your fantasy team, especially not at this point in his career.

WR, Age 33, Not Far off

Terrell Owens- Owens is a gifted athlete who keeps himself in remarkable shape (You remember the sit-ups in his driveway, don't you?). We don't think the age factor will bother him this year.

Eddie Kennison- Between Kennison and Trent Green, we don't expect Kennison to keep hauling in the deep balls like he used to. Plus, Coach Herman Edwards has already promised to pull in the reigns on thios offense.

Eric Moulds- Perhaps appropriate for his age, Moulds will slide in as a #2 WR behind the younger, stronger, faster Andre Johnson.

 
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I've done a little research on this issue, and have charted the number of "very good" seasons turned in by players at each age, in an attempt to estimate the age at which I felt it was necessary to move a player into an age-related risk group. The most dramtic drop-off in the number of good seasons turned in was between the ages of 32 and 33. After 33, the numbers dwindled to practically zero by age 36. Suffice it to say that Holt has at least 3 years left in him, but the other guys are certainly worth worrying about, especially in a dynasty format.
Great stuff GTP :thumbup: This is exactly the kind of analysis I was looking for...Can you help me interpret you graph?...the y-axis says "# of seasons"...what does that mean in this case?
 
Looks like we haven't had much success finding articles on lifespan by position...so let's speculate on some specific players (and maybe that will bring up some of the original research)...

So, including 2006, how many more seasons do you think these guys have a reasonable chance of finishing in the top 10 fantasy WRs?Hines Ward (30) - 2 top 10 finishes so far

Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Eric Moulds (33) - 2 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far

Joey Galloway (34) - 3 top 10 finishes so far

Rod Smith (36) = 3 top 10 finishes so far
Horn has a mulligan for injuries last year but I suppose he could be winding down.Moulds seems like an old 33 I'm very interested if Houston brings some life into his game.

All in all I don't worry much about these guys and in general, find them reliable in FF

 
Looks like we haven't had much success finding articles on lifespan by position...so let's speculate on some specific players (and maybe that will bring up some of the original research)...

So, including 2006, how many more seasons do you think these guys have a reasonable chance of finishing in the top 10 fantasy WRs?Hines Ward (30) - 2 top 10 finishes so far

Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Eric Moulds (33) - 2 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far

Joey Galloway (34) - 3 top 10 finishes so far

Rod Smith (36) = 3 top 10 finishes so far
Horn has a mulligan for injuries last year but I suppose he could be winding down.Moulds seems like an old 33 I'm very interested if Houston brings some life into his game.

All in all I don't worry much about these guys and in general, find them reliable in FF
Yes, but for how much longer...that is the question...
 
Isaac Bruce– Bruce is 34, and has actually looked pretty old these last couple of years. Holt supplanted him as the team's #1 receiver a few years back, and he has struggled with injuries and inconsistency ever since. The writing is on the wall.
Bruce is currently 33 (won't be 34 until November). Injureies? Prior to his toe injury in 2005, Bruce had played in 98 of his last 99 games. As for consistency, he ranked in the Top 18 fantasy WR for six straight years (99 - 04).
 
As for the point of the thread, why does a WR have to be worthy of the Top 10 in order to be considered a worthwhile WR? Many of these guys are still worthy of starting in start 3 WR leagues . . . why must they have to have Top 10 upside to consider keeping them?

 
Keenan McCardell- His body is too old, and his quarterback is too young. There are all kinds of warning flags here. You'd be wise to let someone else roll the dice on him.
Do you still see him as the Chargers' #1 WR? If not, who gets that honor? Eric Parker?I think if McCardell is still the top Charger WR, he's way underrated at his current ADP of WR40, even if he doesn't live up to last year's finish of WR17. The Chargers have a strong offense (top five in points scored in each of the past two seasons). Their top WR should easily be in the NFL's top 30-35.
Joe Horn– Horn is another guy who struggled through injuries last year, and saw a huge decrease in his production. Some people think that he will be coming back healthy this year, but I think that history will tell us that it is much easier to bounce back from an injury if you are young. We'll most likely avoid this situation this year.
I don't see Joe Horn as the Saints' top WR anymore. Even when Horn is healthy, I think Stallworth will be the better option.
Eddie Kennison- Between Kennison and Trent Green, we don't expect Kennison to keep hauling in the deep balls like he used to. Plus, Coach Herman Edwards has already promised to pull in the reigns on thios offense.
Kennison is kind of a funny player because he still seems to be improving. His routes and hands are getting better. He's lost some speed (he used to be the NFL's fastest man), but is still a deep threat. I think he's got at least another year before age really starts to affect him.
 
Looks like we haven't had much success finding articles on lifespan by position...so let's speculate on some specific players (and maybe that will bring up some of the original research)...

So, including 2006, how many more seasons do you think these guys have a reasonable chance of finishing in the top 10 fantasy WRs?Hines Ward (30) - 2 top 10 finishes so far

Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Eric Moulds (33) - 2 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far

Joey Galloway (34) - 3 top 10 finishes so far

Rod Smith (36) = 3 top 10 finishes so far
Horn has a mulligan for injuries last year but I suppose he could be winding down.Moulds seems like an old 33 I'm very interested if Houston brings some life into his game.

All in all I don't worry much about these guys and in general, find them reliable in FF
Yes, but for how much longer...that is the question...
well just Horn and Moulds concern me
 
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Keenan McCardell- His body is too old, and his quarterback is too young. There are all kinds of warning flags here. You'd be wise to let someone else roll the dice on him.
Do you still see him as the Chargers' #1 WR? If not, who gets that honor? Eric Parker?I think if McCardell is still the top Charger WR, he's way underrated at his current ADP of WR40, even if he doesn't live up to last year's finish of WR17. The Chargers have a strong offense (top five in points scored in each of the past two seasons). Their top WR should easily be in the NFL's top 30-35.
I think Brees threw some TD passes to him on faith and (as is natural) he and Rivers will have to develop that repoire. I imagine his TD total down a bit. For me, having him in FF, his TDs were a big part of why I had him on my team. I didn't expect 100 yards every week but the TD could cover that. He's tricky for 06.
 
I think Brees threw some TD passes to him on faith and (as is natural) he and Rivers will have to develop that repoire. I imagine his TD total down a bit. For me, having him in FF, his TDs were a big part of why I had him on my team. I didn't expect 100 yards every week but the TD could cover that. He's tricky for 06.
McCardell’s nine touchdowns last year may have been a fluke, but even if he’d scored only one touchdown he would have finished in the top forty.
 
As for the point of the thread, why does a WR have to be worthy of the Top 10 in order to be considered a worthwhile WR? Many of these guys are still worthy of starting in start 3 WR leagues . . . why must they have to have Top 10 upside to consider keeping them?
That's a fair question...you could certainly ask how long they will be top 24 or top 36...I was simply trying to determine when they fall out of "elite" status...If I asked how long they would be a servicable starting fantasy WR, would you give me your predictions?

 
Keenan McCardell- His body is too old, and his quarterback is too young. There are all kinds of warning flags here. You'd be wise to let someone else roll the dice on him.
Do you still see him as the Chargers' #1 WR? If not, who gets that honor? Eric Parker?I think if McCardell is still the top Charger WR, he's way underrated at his current ADP of WR40, even if he doesn't live up to last year's finish of WR17. The Chargers have a strong offense (top five in points scored in each of the past two seasons). Their top WR should easily be in the NFL's top 30-35.

Joe Horn– Horn is another guy who struggled through injuries last year, and saw a huge decrease in his production. Some people think that he will be coming back healthy this year, but I think that history will tell us that it is much easier to bounce back from an injury if you are young. We'll most likely avoid this situation this year.
I don't see Joe Horn as the Saints' top WR anymore. Even when Horn is healthy, I think Stallworth will be the better option.
Eddie Kennison- Between Kennison and Trent Green, we don't expect Kennison to keep hauling in the deep balls like he used to. Plus, Coach Herman Edwards has already promised to pull in the reigns on thios offense.
Kennison is kind of a funny player because he still seems to be improving. His routes and hands are getting better. He's lost some speed (he used to be the NFL's fastest man), but is still a deep threat. I think he's got at least another year before age really starts to affect him.
:goodposting: Although I'm not sold on Rivers and think his adjustment period has a good chance of having a negative impact on the SD passing totals.

 
As for the point of the thread, why does a WR have to be worthy of the Top 10 in order to be considered a worthwhile WR?  Many of these guys are still worthy of starting in start 3 WR leagues . . . why must they have to have Top 10 upside to consider keeping them?
That's a fair question...you could certainly ask how long they will be top 24 or top 36...I was simply trying to determine when they fall out of "elite" status...If I asked how long they would be a servicable starting fantasy WR, would you give me your predictions?
The maxim I like to use is the most recent year/dataset is often the best dataset to base your projections off of. There are exceptions to the rule, but I think you need to evaluate every player starting with this maxim. Trying to come up with a static age rule and applying that to your WR projections will get you into trouble IMHO.
 
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As for the point of the thread, why does a WR have to be worthy of the Top 10 in order to be considered a worthwhile WR? Many of these guys are still worthy of starting in start 3 WR leagues . . . why must they have to have Top 10 upside to consider keeping them?
That's a fair question...you could certainly ask how long they will be top 24 or top 36...I was simply trying to determine when they fall out of "elite" status...If I asked how long they would be a servicable starting fantasy WR, would you give me your predictions?
The maxim I like to use is the most recent year/dataset, is often the best dataset to base your projections off of. There are exceptions to the rule, but I think you need to evaluate every player starting with this maxim. Trying to come up with a static age rule and applying that to your WR projectionsn will get you into trouble IMHO.
I think I agree in princpal, but how do I then conceive a function to predict decreases over the next 5 years without considering some heuristic based on the age at which previous players began to slow down?
 
IMO, you plan for a 3-year window and reevalute with each coming year. Too much can change in 3 years (health, coaches, supporting players, etc.). I don't think it's really all that feasible to expect things to remain constant (or close to it) for very long.

For example, looking back at 2003 . . .

Jeff Garcia and Quincy Carter were almost QB1s for fantasy purposes

Steve McNair and Brad Johnson were Top 10 (on different teams)

Ahman Green, Travis Henry, Deuce McAllister, Ricky Williams, and Stephen Davis were RB1s

McCardell was Top 10 and David Boston, Peter Warrick, and Johnnie Morton were all viable fantasy starters

Shannon Sharpe, Boo Williams, Itula Mili, Marcus Pollard, Freddie Jones, and Jim Kleinsasser were all starting fantasy TE

 
I've done a little research on this issue, and have charted the number of "very good" seasons turned in by players at each age, in an attempt to estimate the age at which I felt it was necessary to move a player into an age-related risk group. The most dramtic drop-off in the number of good seasons turned in was between the ages of 32 and 33. After 33, the numbers dwindled to practically zero by age 36. Suffice it to say that Holt has at least 3 years left in him, but the other guys are certainly worth worrying about, especially in a dynasty format.
Great stuff GTP :thumbup: This is exactly the kind of analysis I was looking for...

Can you help me interpret you graph?...the y-axis says "# of seasons"...what does that mean in this case?
The number of seasons represents the number of times that a player in that age group posted a season of, say, 1000 yards and 8 TDs. In other words, looking at the yellow line on the graph, a 26 year old player has produced a 1000-8 season 26 times in the last 25 years, as has a 27 year old. However, a 33 year has only hit those marks 4 times in 25 times, a 34 year old- 6 items, a 35 year old- 3 times, etc. The way I use this analysis is to set expectations for players. Obviously each situation has to be judged separately; you wouldn't be doing yourself any favors to apply any kind of age-rule indiscriminatly. However, for me, it forces me to look at players like Marvin Harrsion, who will be 34, a little bit more closely. Just looking at his numbers quickly, you'll see his double digit touchdowns 7 years in a row, and you'll automatically lump him into your top 5 receivers. However, if my anaylsis alerts me to the fact that he is in a new "age-related" risk group, I might spend a little bit more time looking for warning signs of his decline. For Harrison. I found a few. His number of receptions has declined 4 straight years. In fact, last year was the first time since 1998 that he hasn't led his team in receptions. And after recording 1400 or more yards in four straight season 1999-2002. He didn't reach 1300 in '03 and he has fallen short of 1200 in the last two. The decline is slight, but nonetheless evident. Now, as he turns 34, I look at the number of receivers who in a quarter of a century have been able to maintain Harison's high level of production at age 34 or older, and it's starting to look a little worrisome.

 
Keenan McCardell- His body is too old, and his quarterback is too young. There are all kinds of warning flags here. You'd be wise to let someone else roll the dice on him.
Do you still see him as the Chargers' #1 WR? If not, who gets that honor? Eric Parker?I think if McCardell is still the top Charger WR, he's way underrated at his current ADP of WR40, even if he doesn't live up to last year's finish of WR17. The Chargers have a strong offense (top five in points scored in each of the past two seasons). Their top WR should easily be in the NFL's top 30-35.
Yeah, I probably still do see him as the Chargers #1 WR, but if I'm trying to take the 40th WR off the board, I'd much rather take a shot on a younger guy with some upside, than to roll the dice on McCardell and hope that this isn't the year he completely hits the wall. Joe Jurevicious, Ernest Givens, Mark Clayton, Roddy White, Antonio Bryant will all proabbly go roughly the same time as McCardell, and for my money, I'll take each of their upsides and leave McCardell's downside to someone else.
 
Alright, let's try to simplify this...how many more years in the top 10 do you see for these guys?Torry Holt (30) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Terrell Owens (32) - 5 top 10 finishes so far

Marvin Harrison (33) - 7 top 10 finishes so far

Joe Horn (34) - 4 top 10 finishes so far
okayOwens- 1 maybe two...stays is shape enough to do it, but still gets little injuries and can't get out the way of his own personality.

Harrison- has been is a slight slow decline, so I am going none, or a couple very barely. Still will be value as a fantasy lower 1/high two for 2 or 3 year though.

Holt- talent to have 3 or 4 more, I would be more sure Martz was still directing things

Horn- If he does not do one this year, I think we won't see him at that level.
You've got me thinking maybe I've been too generous...if I were locking these guys up as my WR1 in a contract league maybe I should be looking more at something like this:Torry Holt (30) - 3 more years

Terrell Owens (32) - 2 more years

Marvin Harrison (33+) - 2 more years

Joe Horn (34) - 1 more year

Any others think maybe this is too conservative?
I can give you what year these players have remaining in a contract league that I particpate in. I don't own any of these guys. Of course, other factors can play into why the owners have length remain. Note: 5 year max on a contract and the guy can be kept at various FA levels after the contract expires. Also, all their "contracts" are high dollar, probably top 10 for our league. Holt-2 years

Horn- 1 year

Harrison- 2 years

Owens 4 years

As discussed in other parts of the thread, IMO, not being in the top 10 does not mean that I think any of these guys won't have decent fantasy value for the next 3-5 years barring major injury.

 

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