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Jim11

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http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-iraq-debacle-1402615473

Iraq was largely at peace when Mr. Obama came to office in 2009. Reporters who had known Baghdad during the worst days of the insurgency in 2006 marveled at how peaceful the city had become thanks to the U.S. military surge and counterinsurgency. In 2012 Anthony Blinken, then Mr. Biden's top security adviser, boasted that, "What's beyond debate" is that "Iraq today is less violent, more democratic, and more prosperous. And the United States is more deeply engaged there than at any time in recent history."

Iraqis and Americans are now paying for Mr. Obama's failure to successfully negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement with Baghdad that would have maintained a meaningful U.S. military presence.

After more than five years, we've come to know we should expect no such leadership or strategic ambition from this President.

 
This was Barak Hussein Obama's Muslim extremist plan all along.

 
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When a progressive liberal rag like WSJ says this about Obama, then you know it has got to be true.
Are you actually claiming that Obama shows leadership? So far, he's lost Iraq. He's such a great leader that he gave the enemy a timetable for when they can overrun Afghanistan.

He also is leading all countries south of the border in their quest to come to the USA.

 
http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-iraq-debacle-1402615473

Iraq was largely at peace when Mr. Obama came to office in 2009. Reporters who had known Baghdad during the worst days of the insurgency in 2006 marveled at how peaceful the city had become thanks to the U.S. military surge and counterinsurgency. In 2012 Anthony Blinken, then Mr. Biden's top security adviser, boasted that, "What's beyond debate" is that "Iraq today is less violent, more democratic, and more prosperous. And the United States is more deeply engaged there than at any time in recent history."

Iraqis and Americans are now paying for Mr. Obama's failure to successfully negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement with Baghdad that would have maintained a meaningful U.S. military presence.
I was disappointed that this wasn't accomplished, and I worried about the ramifications ...which are now coming to fruition.

 
http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-iraq-debacle-1402615473

Iraq was largely at peace when Mr. Obama came to office in 2009. Reporters who had known Baghdad during the worst days of the insurgency in 2006 marveled at how peaceful the city had become thanks to the U.S. military surge and counterinsurgency. In 2012 Anthony Blinken, then Mr. Biden's top security adviser, boasted that, "What's beyond debate" is that "Iraq today is less violent, more democratic, and more prosperous. And the United States is more deeply engaged there than at any time in recent history."

Iraqis and Americans are now paying for Mr. Obama's failure to successfully negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement with Baghdad that would have maintained a meaningful U.S. military presence.

After more than five years, we've come to know we should expect no such leadership or strategic ambition from this President.
POTY

 
We have it from none other than Tim that Obama is the greatest foreign policy president since George Washington. Just you wait and see; Obama will give a speech, the oceans will cease to rise, the planet will be healed, and the Iraq people will have some cookies and take a nap.

 
We have it from none other than Tim that Obama is the greatest foreign policy president since George Washington. Just you wait and see; Obama will give a speech, the oceans will cease to rise, the planet will be healed, and the Iraq people will have some cookies and take a nap.
:lol: I think President Obama has been an excellent foreign policy President. From what I can tell, however, he does deserve at least some of the blame for what is currently happening in Iraq. Not most of it, but some of it.

 
We have it from none other than Tim that Obama is the greatest foreign policy president since George Washington. Just you wait and see; Obama will give a speech, the oceans will cease to rise, the planet will be healed, and the Iraq people will have some cookies and take a nap.
I don't think that ghetto ##### dancing in the streets for her free iPad from Obama would think this.

 
We have it from none other than Tim that Obama is the greatest foreign policy president since George Washington. Just you wait and see; Obama will give a speech, the oceans will cease to rise, the planet will be healed, and the Iraq people will have some cookies and take a nap.
:lol: I think President Obama has been an excellent foreign policy President. From what I can tell, however, he does deserve at least some of the blame for what is currently happening in Iraq. Not most of it, but some of it.
Tim - how can you even say this with a straight face? His foreign policy is terrible.

 
We have it from none other than Tim that Obama is the greatest foreign policy president since George Washington. Just you wait and see; Obama will give a speech, the oceans will cease to rise, the planet will be healed, and the Iraq people will have some cookies and take a nap.
:lol: I think President Obama has been an excellent foreign policy President. From what I can tell, however, he does deserve at least some of the blame for what is currently happening in Iraq. Not most of it, but some of it.
Tim - how can you even say this with a straight face? His foreign policy is terrible.
Obama has faced a number of foreign crisis as President- Arab Spring, Syria, Greece, Iran Libya, the Ukraine. All of these have been pretty major. Unlike so many of his predecessors, Obama hasn't overreacted, and managed to avoid the use of our military. To me that's a significant triumph all in itself.

In addition, Obama has faced some longstanding, ongoing issues, such as the Israeli-Palestinian struggle, the Indian-Pakistan dilemma, the G8 and world trade, North Korea, and IMO handled these very well with patience and wisdom.

If Obama is flawed IMO, it is in his handling of the existing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Basically he's been too quick to leave Iraq, and not quick enough to leave Afghanistan. Also IMO his diplomacy has failed him in both of these situations, but to be fair to him he was saddled with corrupt governments, chaotic situations, and an American public demanding that we get out as quickly as possible. It's easy to second guess him.

So that's a summary of my opinion. Overall I give him an A- (prior to Iraq blowing up, it might have been an A+).

 
I thought the last time Iraq was at peace, was before the President Bush attacked them? But hey let's blame President Obama for the failures of not being able to control a country half a world away!

 
We have it from none other than Tim that Obama is the greatest foreign policy president since George Washington. Just you wait and see; Obama will give a speech, the oceans will cease to rise, the planet will be healed, and the Iraq people will have some cookies and take a nap.
Congrats on being just as good as Jim. :thumbup:

 
CBusAlex said:
Jim11 said:
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
Gets what?
It.
I used to get "it". Then they changed what "it" was. Now what I get isn't "it", and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.
It happened to me, too. I used to rock and roll all night and party every day. Then it was every other day. Now I'm lucky if I find fifteen minutes a week in which to get funky.

 
I feel like it was a lose-lose situation for Obama. The American public largely wanted out of Iraq, and while Iraq may not have been 100% ready for us to withdraw, would they ever have been ready? We were there for over a decade and there was minimal progress made, and there was no clear-cut end game for Iraq. Saddam Hussein was really the only thing that kept that country out of chaos and we honestly have no idea how to create order in the Middle East.

 
I feel like it was a lose-lose situation for Obama. The American public largely wanted out of Iraq, and while Iraq may not have been 100% ready for us to withdraw, would they ever have been ready? We were there for over a decade and there was minimal progress made, and there was no clear-cut end game for Iraq. Saddam Hussein was really the only thing that kept that country out of chaos and we honestly have no idea how to create order in the Middle East.
This is true, but its the responsibility of the President to make unpopular decisions, ESPECIALLY with regard to foreign policy. Obama didn't create this mess. And if he had refused to leave Iraq the public would have turned against him, and he would have been ripped for it (including by Republicans who would have conveniently forgot McCain's campaign in 2008.)

But so what? In the interests of national security, we should have left at least a small force in Iraq. We should have insisted on it. And we should have threatened to cut off Maliki's funding unless he started treating the Sunnis better. We didn't do any of these things. And that's on Obama. The buck stops there.

 

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