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WTF? Trump did better with POC than Romney (1 Viewer)

and worse among whites?  I thought this was a whitelash and Trump rode the wave of White Nationalists to the White House. 

This does not compute. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/11/trump-got-more-votes-from-people-of-color-than-romney-did-heres-the-data/
Do you consider Florida, Penn, Mich, NC, VA, CO, Ohio, WIsconsin, NV, NH and Iowa having a lot of White Nationalists?

Those were the swing states for this election

Trump won 7 and Clinton won 4

Popular vote for those states: Trump 17 Million to Clinton 4 Million in the states where each won.

HTH

 
The whitelash is BS. There is an alt-right racist demo that supports Trump, but that's not what elected Trump. 

 
Obviously all these Obama voters, those that voted for him twice, were secretly racist white supremacists the whole time. 

It has nothing to do with the fact that Hillary never even bothered to make one campaign stop in Wisconsin. It has nothing to do with the fact that Hope and Change never came to rural Pennsylvania. It has nothing to do with 'electing the first woman president' would have made the people of Flint feel good enough to ignore the fact that they don't have clean water and it was going to be four more years before anyone would pay lip service to doing something about it.

All the blame obviously lies with Uneducated Whites. I think the press has already recorded a macro to type that in to every column. Stupid White People are democracy's main enemy! 
I read today that Hillary is blaming Comey for her loss.  I think a lot of Dems still haven't accepted why they lost this election.

 
Do you consider Florida, Penn, Mich, NC, VA, CO, Ohio, WIsconsin, NV, NH and Iowa having a lot of White Nationalists?

Those were the swing states for this election

Trump won 7 and Clinton won 4

Popular vote for those states: Trump 17 Million to Clinton 4 Million in the states where each won.

HTH
Michigan has a lot of white nationalists?   I think We have more black nationalists.  YOU are racist.

 
I can guarantee that there were a lot fewer PoC that voted in this election vs those that voted for Obama. The democrats didn't turn out the vote like they needed, and it cost them. Obviously running an old white lady vs. a young(ish) black man makes a difference. Say nothing of their abilities to captivate and energize an audience.

 
I can guarantee that there were a lot fewer PoC that voted in this election vs those that voted for Obama. The democrats didn't turn out the vote like they needed, and it cost them. Obviously running an old white lady vs. a young(ish) black man makes a difference. Say nothing of their abilities to captivate and energize an audience.
Hillary did not excite people. Both were weak candidates but Hillary lost a lot of BO votes. Trump did much better at keeping the Romney voters. 

 
I can guarantee that there were a lot fewer PoC that voted in this election vs those that voted for Obama. The democrats didn't turn out the vote like they needed, and it cost them. Obviously running an old white lady vs. a young(ish) black man makes a difference. Say nothing of their abilities to captivate and energize an audience.
Obviously, voter turnout was at a 20 year low. Everyone voted less. 

 
Maybe the Dems strategy of dividing everyone into groups to foment anger towards the evil white Republicans has actually backfired to the point they won't even vote for a blue haired corrupt Dem.

 
I wrote several times before the election that this result was more likely than people were giving credit for. That this was possibly going to be what happened. I got some inklings of it after the Comey letter, sure, but, in all seriousness, nothing clued me in more that minority voters might cross over from Obama to Trump than this SNL "Black Jeopardy" sketch.
I take it you didn't read the story in the OP. Because minority voters didn't really "cross over" to Trump, not in significant numbers at least. Trump's appeal to minorities remained almost as low as predicted.

The story here is that many of the minorities who voted for Obama stayed home in 2016.

Mitt Romney got 60.9 million votes in 2012; Trump got 60.2 million votes in 2016. Trump lost a little ground but basically held Romney's votes.

Obama got 65.9 million votes in 2012; Hillary got 60.8 million. She lost 5.1 million votes. Where do you think those lost votes came from?

When all is said and done and the history books write Hillary Clinton's epitaph, the final conclusion will be that she failed to inspire enough of Obama's voters to get out and vote for her. Her massive ground game ignored all the wrong people.

 
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Oh, and liberal elites: Please keep referring to them as "Uneducated whites". That's going to help a lot. Just great.

First off, it's not "uneducated" in the demographic breakdown, it's people without a college degree. Calling them "uneducated" is so ####### insulting. How stuck up do you have to be to let that cross your lips? Seriously. They went to school. They might have GEDs, they might have gone to trade school, they're not "uneducated". They are working class blue collar workers who need help. Not to be looked down upon. Yeah, they know Obama created five million jobs, they're each working three of them. Uneducated? Because they didn't go to some fancy state school because their parents weren't rich and they needed to take care of little kids or sick family members or they just didn't get the opportunity. Because they're working their ##### off just making rent.

"Uneducated" :rolleyes:

You're talking about people who can re-wire up to code the electrical inside a pre-war house or flush an A/C system. You really think sitting in some liberal arts elective three hours a week debating feminist symbolism in a Truffaut film makes you more educated than someone who can rebuild a carburetor? #### you.

They're lucky they didn't lose by more.
You said it brother! 

 
I can't blame some people for not wanting to go to college now.  School loans and cost are ridiculous.  I'd have to think it through at least if I didn't go over 10 years ago.  Thank goodness I went back then and can call myself an "educated white."   I'd just be a dumb white devil now. 

 
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My dad got his GED  in the army and retired at 60 as general manager of the electric company.  Another "uneducated white" I guess.  His vote should count half.  The genius liberal hippie sitting through fine arts class should count double.  

 
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Oh, and liberal elites: Please keep referring to them as "Uneducated whites". That's going to help a lot. Just great.

First off, it's not "uneducated" in the demographic breakdown, it's people without a college degree. Calling them "uneducated" is so ####### insulting. How stuck up do you have to be to let that cross your lips? Seriously. They went to school. They might have GEDs, they might have gone to trade school, they're not "uneducated". They are working class blue collar workers who need help. Not to be looked down upon. Yeah, they know Obama created five million jobs, they're each working three of them. Uneducated? Because they didn't go to some fancy state school because their parents weren't rich and they needed to take care of little kids or sick family members or they just didn't get the opportunity. Because they're working their ##### off just making rent.

"Uneducated" :rolleyes:

You're talking about people who can re-wire up to code the electrical inside a pre-war house or flush an A/C system. You really think sitting in some liberal arts elective three hours a week debating feminist symbolism in a Truffaut film makes you more educated than someone who can rebuild a carburetor? #### you.

They're lucky they didn't lose by more.
I've voted democrat the last 3 elections but this bothered me as well.  I was just telling my wife tonight at dinner when we were talking about the election to stop using that phrase.

 
I take it you didn't read the story in the OP. Because minority voters didn't really "cross over" to Trump, not in significant numbers at least. Trump's appeal to minorities remained almost as low as predicted.

The story here is that many of the minorities who voted for Obama stayed home in 2016.

Mitt Romney got 60.9 million votes in 2012; Trump got 60.2 million votes in 2016. Trump lost a little ground but basically held Romney's votes.

Obama got 65.9 million votes in 2012; Hillary got 60.8 million. She lost 5.1 million votes. Where do you think those lost votes came from?

When all is said and done and the history books write Hillary Clinton's epitaph, the final conclusion will be that she failed to inspire enough of Obama's voters to get out and vote for her. Her massive ground game ignored all the wrong people.
Well Walking Boot has in multiple threads been operating under the made up by him assumption that any county where Trump gained votes relative to Romney was done via people that voted for Obama last time.  As best I can tell his source for that information is himself.

 
My dad got his GED  in the army and retired at 60 as general manager of the electric company.  Another "uneducated white" I guess.  His vote should count half.  The genius liberal hippie sitting through fine arts class should count double.  
Probably slept his way to the top. 

 
Sensible Dems are not saying hillary lost because of comey.  They are saying it likely had some influence though.  Anyone disagree with that?

 
If my team commits 6 turnovers and still has a chance to win only for the ref to blow the game ending call i blame my team.

But dont act like the ref's call had no impact on the game.

 
I can't blame some people for not wanting to go to college now. 
I don't know.  The idea of being insulated from real life so that when life doesn't go your way and you're not required to function has a lot of appeal to some people.  Who of us hasn't wanted to cancel classes and tests, enjoy hot chocolate and coloring books, and especially pet puppies when life seemed unfair?  And get a pretend education!   ;)  

Sensible Dems are not saying hillary lost because of comey.  They are saying it likely had some influence though.  Anyone disagree with that?
  I get that a lot of people were too disgusted to want to vote for either of them.  But, they were such polar opposites, light years distant from each other's positions that I have trouble believing anybody was still undecided when Comey demonstrated that he was as big a goof as everybody else.

 
My dad got his GED  in the army and retired at 60 as general manager of the electric company.  Another "uneducated white" I guess.  His vote should count half.  The genius liberal hippie sitting through fine arts class should count double.  
Your side won, why the #### are you so bitter?

 
Your side won, why the #### are you so bitter?
Maybe because he was referred to as a racist and sexist for the past YEAR and had condescending comments made about him everyday. I'd say he's entitled to gloat for as much time as he wants. And until liberals stop being condescending, which doesn't appear to be anywhere close to happening, the clock doesn't start. 

 
Maybe because he was referred to as a racist and sexist for the past YEAR and had condescending comments made about him everyday. I'd say he's entitled to gloat for as much time as he wants. And until liberals stop being condescending, which doesn't appear to be anywhere close to happening, the clock doesn't start. 
If my side had won I'd be happy and gloat in a way where it didn't come across like I had a stick shoved up my ###.

 
I read today that Hillary is blaming Comey for her loss.  I think a lot of Dems still haven't accepted why they lost this election.
In the end I think the Dems lost because their own internal party wouldn't allow Bernie to rise.  Basically corruption at the primary level.  

 
In the end I think the Dems lost because their own internal party wouldn't allow Bernie to rise.  Basically corruption at the primary level.  
Agreed.  I think Bernie or even Biden would have defeated Trump.  I think the Democrat Party would like to retool after they've caught their breath, and should be able to do so if the Clinton Machine will be content to go make a gazillion dollars.  But, I read that Chelsea is being groomed for a congressional seat.  The Wikileaks dump suggested that party insiders see her as an entitled, spoiled brat.  Do you think another generation of Clinton will help or hurt the Dems makeover?

 
Sensible Dems are not saying hillary lost because of comey.  They are saying it likely had some influence though.  Anyone disagree with that?
No, I don't. But that was the risk when Hillary was nominated and it had been a risk since at least July 2015. However how big of an issue was this with blacks & Hispanics to begin with?

 
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How do we know the exit polling of POC is accurate? The polls leading up to the election were way off and the initial exit polling was indicating a strong showing for Clinton.

If any group is going to mislead exit pollsters it would be POC. The beauty of the secret ballot is that we will never truly know but I think it's possible Trump did much better amoung minority groups than the exit polls are indicating.

 
Agreed.  I think Bernie or even Biden would have defeated Trump.  I think the Democrat Party would like to retool after they've caught their breath, and should be able to do so if the Clinton Machine will be content to go make a gazillion dollars.  But, I read that Chelsea is being groomed for a congressional seat.  The Wikileaks dump suggested that party insiders see her as an entitled, spoiled brat.  Do you think another generation of Clinton will help or hurt the Dems makeover?
 Think they've had enough of the Clintons.  

 
Oh, and liberal elites: Please keep referring to them as "Uneducated whites". That's going to help a lot. Just great.

First off, it's not "uneducated" in the demographic breakdown, it's people without a college degree. Calling them "uneducated" is so ####### insulting. How stuck up do you have to be to let that cross your lips? Seriously. They went to school. They might have GEDs, they might have gone to trade school, they're not "uneducated". They are working class blue collar workers who need help. Not to be looked down upon. Yeah, they know Obama created five million jobs, they're each working three of them. Uneducated? Because they didn't go to some fancy state school because their parents weren't rich and they needed to take care of little kids or sick family members or they just didn't get the opportunity. Because they're working their ##### off just making rent.

"Uneducated" :rolleyes:

You're talking about people who can re-wire up to code the electrical inside a pre-war house or flush an A/C system. You really think sitting in some liberal arts elective three hours a week debating feminist symbolism in a Truffaut film makes you more educated than someone who can rebuild a carburetor? #### you.

They're lucky they didn't lose by more.
This is probably the best post I've read here ever

:Slowclap:

 
Oh, and liberal elites: Please keep referring to them as "Uneducated whites". That's going to help a lot. Just great.

First off, it's not "uneducated" in the demographic breakdown, it's people without a college degree. Calling them "uneducated" is so ####### insulting. How stuck up do you have to be to let that cross your lips? Seriously. They went to school. They might have GEDs, they might have gone to trade school, they're not "uneducated". They are working class blue collar workers who need help. Not to be looked down upon. Yeah, they know Obama created five million jobs, they're each working three of them. Uneducated? Because they didn't go to some fancy state school because their parents weren't rich and they needed to take care of little kids or sick family members or they just didn't get the opportunity. Because they're working their ##### off just making rent.

"Uneducated" :rolleyes:

You're talking about people who can re-wire up to code the electrical inside a pre-war house or flush an A/C system. You really think sitting in some liberal arts elective three hours a week debating feminist symbolism in a Truffaut film makes you more educated than someone who can rebuild a carburetor? #### you.

They're lucky they didn't lose by more.
Best post ever. 

 
Oh, and liberal elites: Please keep referring to them as "Uneducated whites". That's going to help a lot. Just great.

First off, it's not "uneducated" in the demographic breakdown, it's people without a college degree. Calling them "uneducated" is so ####### insulting. How stuck up do you have to be to let that cross your lips? Seriously. They went to school. They might have GEDs, they might have gone to trade school, they're not "uneducated". They are working class blue collar workers who need help. Not to be looked down upon. Yeah, they know Obama created five million jobs, they're each working three of them. Uneducated? Because they didn't go to some fancy state school because their parents weren't rich and they needed to take care of little kids or sick family members or they just didn't get the opportunity. Because they're working their ##### off just making rent.

"Uneducated" :rolleyes:

You're talking about people who can re-wire up to code the electrical inside a pre-war house or flush an A/C system. You really think sitting in some liberal arts elective three hours a week debating feminist symbolism in a Truffaut film makes you more educated than someone who can rebuild a carburetor? #### you.

They're lucky they didn't lose by more.
Wish I could give this a thousand likes, very well said.

 
Michigan has a lot of white nationalists?   I think We have more black nationalists.  YOU are racist.
They sure as #### do.  I couldn't believe how many confederate flags I saw flying in that state, especially considering how far they are from the South.   Aside from Detroit, Flint and maybe 1 or 2 other urban centers, the mitten state is super white and super hateful.

 
I can guarantee that there were a lot fewer PoC that voted in this election vs those that voted for Obama. The democrats didn't turn out the vote like they needed, and it cost them. Obviously running an old white lady vs. a young(ish) black man makes a difference. Say nothing of their abilities to captivate and energize an audience.
Nothing Dems hate more than old white folks. 

 
Oh, and liberal elites: Please keep referring to them as "Uneducated whites". That's going to help a lot. Just great.

First off, it's not "uneducated" in the demographic breakdown, it's people without a college degree. Calling them "uneducated" is so ####### insulting. How stuck up do you have to be to let that cross your lips? Seriously. They went to school. They might have GEDs, they might have gone to trade school, they're not "uneducated". They are working class blue collar workers who need help. Not to be looked down upon. Yeah, they know Obama created five million jobs, they're each working three of them. Uneducated? Because they didn't go to some fancy state school because their parents weren't rich and they needed to take care of little kids or sick family members or they just didn't get the opportunity. Because they're working their ##### off just making rent.

"Uneducated" :rolleyes:

You're talking about people who can re-wire up to code the electrical inside a pre-war house or flush an A/C system. You really think sitting in some liberal arts elective three hours a week debating feminist symbolism in a Truffaut film makes you more educated than someone who can rebuild a carburetor? #### you.

They're lucky they didn't lose by more.
Holy #### STANDING OVATION

 
Oh, and liberal elites: Please keep referring to them as "Uneducated whites". That's going to help a lot. Just great.

First off, it's not "uneducated" in the demographic breakdown, it's people without a college degree. Calling them "uneducated" is so ####### insulting. How stuck up do you have to be to let that cross your lips? Seriously. They went to school. They might have GEDs, they might have gone to trade school, they're not "uneducated". They are working class blue collar workers who need help. Not to be looked down upon. Yeah, they know Obama created five million jobs, they're each working three of them. Uneducated? Because they didn't go to some fancy state school because their parents weren't rich and they needed to take care of little kids or sick family members or they just didn't get the opportunity. Because they're working their ##### off just making rent.

"Uneducated" :rolleyes:

You're talking about people who can re-wire up to code the electrical inside a pre-war house or flush an A/C system. You really think sitting in some liberal arts elective three hours a week debating feminist symbolism in a Truffaut film makes you more educated than someone who can rebuild a carburetor? #### you.

They're lucky they didn't lose by more.
I can see it being condescending to refer to those folk as uneducated whites.  But it might be a bit of a generational thing too.  Something like 70% of millenials go to college not all of them graduate of course.  A college degree is pretty much the same as a high school degree a generation or two ago.  So if you're a bit older then that might be a bit of it because back then college wasn't something that almost everyone did.  I'm not saying someone is less intelligent if they don't go to college (or high school 40 years ago).  But we're not exactly talking elite.  We're talking 7 out of 10 people.  In 1970 around 10% of the population had a college degree.  Nowadays it's about 1/3.  And much higher among younger folk.

 

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