X Y Z...who are the INDY WRs to own? (1 Viewer)

[Black]

Can anyone with the X Y Z knowledge of WRs tell me how Wayne, Garcon, and Collie have been used (and A. Gonzalez when he was in)?

Looks to me like Garcon is the big, deep threat taking one of the outside/Flanker positions. Probably a 4-6 catch, 80 yards, for 1 TD guy on a good day. Collie is the slot guy...possibly Wes Welker upside in PPR (or any league when he catches a couple of TDs across the middle).

What did Anthony Gonzalez start out playing this year before the injury? In 2008 he was the slot guy, and Peyton always seemed to look for him on 3rd and 8. He was very good in PPR. This year I think they had him in Harrison's old position as the starter on the outside before the injury? Where would he end up if he came back, back in the slot?

Thanks!

 

[djcolts]

I wrote this last week:

The Colts will basically have 4 lineups when Gonzalez comes back (not including "goal line"). Wayne, Gonzo, Clark and Addai/Brown in the game.2 TE - blocking. Gijon Robinson as TE2. 2 TE - receiving. Jacob Tamme as TE2. 3 WR - Garcon on the outside, Wayne or Gonzalez in the slot. 3 WR - Collie in the slot, Wayne and Gonzalez on the outside. The question is what % of these lineups will be used throughout the season, and how effective each of these formations will be. Good luck.

 

[Oh the Humanity]

I think Indy is going become the same kind of offense that New England has been for the last several years in that while owning Manning is Gold, everyone else in the lineup (except Clark) is use at you're own risk, in that your guy could have a big day or he could be completely ignored, and it changes every week. (Clark, as the second or third option will always pull in his 8 for 80 but even Reggie Wayne disappeared in week 1 and has only gotten 100 yds once this year). As long as Manning is in his prime, I think the WR1 will be overvalued, the next 5 or six options will all be slightly undervalued with the caveat that all that extra value will happen in one or two great games, rather then a consistent overperforming

 

[joetrow]

I wrote this last week:

The Colts will basically have 4 lineups when Gonzalez comes back (not including "goal line"). Wayne, Gonzo, Clark and Addai/Brown in the game.2 TE - blocking. Gijon Robinson as TE2. 2 TE - receiving. Jacob Tamme as TE2. 3 WR - Garcon on the outside, Wayne or Gonzalez in the slot. 3 WR - Collie in the slot, Wayne and Gonzalez on the outside. The question is what % of these lineups will be used throughout the season, and how effective each of these formations will be. Good luck.

So you dont think Gonzalez lost his job?

 

[jobarules]

Collie looked really impressive last night. Hes listed at 6' but he seemed taller than that, good hands, good RAC. I have to say he looked more impressive than Gonzalez has ever looked.

 

[steelwind]

Indy spent a 1st round pick on A. Gonzalez. He has been in their system the last two years. I'm not saying Collie or Garcon can't get it done. I'm just saying that I don't think Gonzo is going to be replaced just because he had an injury. Alot depends on how well he recovers and apparently it is going in the right direction. All I know is Manning has a legitimate shot at 5,000 yards when Gonzo returns. Props to their coaching staff:

"Oct 7 Gonzalez is making progress in his return from a sprained PCL in his right knee, but the Colts are not giving a timetable for his return. "He's doing everything we expect him to do at this point in time," Jim Caldwell told the Indianapolis Football Report. "Maybe a little bit ahead. The doctors and everyone involved feel good about where he is.""

 

[djcolts]

I wrote this last week:

The Colts will basically have 4 lineups when Gonzalez comes back (not including "goal line"). Wayne, Gonzo, Clark and Addai/Brown in the game.2 TE - blocking. Gijon Robinson as TE2. 2 TE - receiving. Jacob Tamme as TE2. 3 WR - Garcon on the outside, Wayne or Gonzalez in the slot. 3 WR - Collie in the slot, Wayne and Gonzalez on the outside. The question is what % of these lineups will be used throughout the season, and how effective each of these formations will be. Good luck.

So you dont think Gonzalez lost his job?

No. As good as Collie and Garcon have been - they aren't quite in the "Peyton circle of trust" yet because they don't have enough experience. Peyton himself has said this in the last few weeks - "don't go crowning (them) yet"

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I wrote this last week:

The Colts will basically have 4 lineups when Gonzalez comes back (not including "goal line"). Wayne, Gonzo, Clark and Addai/Brown in the game.2 TE - blocking. Gijon Robinson as TE2. 2 TE - receiving. Jacob Tamme as TE2. 3 WR - Garcon on the outside, Wayne or Gonzalez in the slot. 3 WR - Collie in the slot, Wayne and Gonzalez on the outside. The question is what % of these lineups will be used throughout the season, and how effective each of these formations will be. Good luck.

So you dont think Gonzalez lost his job?

No. As good as Collie and Garcon have been - they aren't quite in the "Peyton circle of trust" yet because they don't have enough experience. Peyton himself has said this in the last few weeks - "don't go crowning (them) yet"

I searched for a link to this quote by PM and I could not find one.Can you link me up?

 

[djcolts]

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Manning gives the kids full credit but cautions it isn't time "we crown them."

 

[Sabertooth]

This is one of those situation where you could have lightning in a bottle, or you might just shoot yourself in the foot. I enjoyed watching Collie this past week, but who knows at this point. I tend to agree with others above that it is going to be a crap shoot each week. Some weeks you'll get the bull, other weeks you'll get the horns. But do you have the stones to plug a guy in like that every week.

 

[Black]

I searched for a link to this quote by PM and I could not find one.

Can you link me up?

Here's the closest i could find:

Those guys [Collie and Garcon] have made some nice plays [through the first four games of the season]. They really have. They’ve done a good job of getting into it in practice. Austin is a big-time film studier. And Pierre has a great work ethic. He really wants to get better. I do admire and appreciate that. But every day is learning day for these young guys

http://content.usatoday.com/topics/quote/P...00UBapYa9Hact/1

 

[jon_mx]

I think Indy is going become the same kind of offense that New England has been for the last several years in that while owning Manning is Gold, everyone else in the lineup (except Clark) is use at you're own risk, in that your guy could have a big day or he could be completely ignored, and it changes every week. (Clark, as the second or third option will always pull in his 8 for 80 but even Reggie Wayne disappeared in week 1 and has only gotten 100 yds once this year). As long as Manning is in his prime, I think the WR1 will be overvalued, the next 5 or six options will all be slightly undervalued with the caveat that all that extra value will happen in one or two great games, rather then a consistent overperforming

Reggie is start at your own risk? Wow, you are tough. I want to know where all these WR's you are starting that are more consistent than Reggie. I know he has only caught TD's in 4 of his 5 games. 2nd in the league in yards. 3rd in receptions. Yeah, if I had Reggie, I would certainly be looking for someone I could depend on more.And BTW, Reggie has had two 100 yard games...he 'disappeared in week 1' with 10 catches 162 yards and a TD.

 

[jon_mx]

Gonzalez is on waivers, I am thinking about him but rooster spots are tight. The way Manning is throwing, there is enough to feed a lot of people. Wayne and Clark are clearly the studs and will remain #1 and #2 targets. Will there be a legitimate #3 or will it be splitsville? I think Splitsville. Gonzalez may have more of Peyton's trust, but Collie and Garcon are better.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Gotta believe this is bad for Gonzalez both in redraft and dynasty. I doubt he totally loses his spot due to injury, but Garcon and Collie can play. He looked like he was the 4th option in this offense going into the season behind Wayne, Clark and either RB. Its my guess he'll now be splitting that 4th options opportunities with both Garcon and Collie.

As someone posted earlier, gotta catch lightning in a bottle starting anyone of them. They could go off on any given week, but counting on any of them is risky at best.

 

[Instinctive]

I think Indy is going become the same kind of offense that New England has been for the last several years in that while owning Manning is Gold, everyone else in the lineup (except Clark) is use at you're own risk, in that your guy could have a big day or he could be completely ignored, and it changes every week. (Clark, as the second or third option will always pull in his 8 for 80 but even Reggie Wayne disappeared in week 1 and has only gotten 100 yds once this year). As long as Manning is in his prime, I think the WR1 will be overvalued, the next 5 or six options will all be slightly undervalued with the caveat that all that extra value will happen in one or two great games, rather then a consistent overperforming

Reggie is start at your own risk? Wow, you are tough. I want to know where all these WR's you are starting that are more consistent than Reggie. I know he has only caught TD's in 4 of his 5 games. 2nd in the league in yards. 3rd in receptions. Yeah, if I had Reggie, I would certainly be looking for someone I could depend on more.And BTW, Reggie has had two 100 yard games...he 'disappeared in week 1' with 10 catches 162 yards and a TD.

thank you I was gonna say that too. I was miffed when I read that post as Reggie beat me week 1 lol

 

[lemmi]

I think Indy is going become the same kind of offense that New England has been for the last several years in that while owning Manning is Gold, everyone else in the lineup (except Clark) is use at you're own risk, in that your guy could have a big day or he could be completely ignored, and it changes every week. (Clark, as the second or third option will always pull in his 8 for 80 but even Reggie Wayne disappeared in week 1 and has only gotten 100 yds once this year). As long as Manning is in his prime, I think the WR1 will be overvalued, the next 5 or six options will all be slightly undervalued with the caveat that all that extra value will happen in one or two great games, rather then a consistent overperforming

Reggie is start at your own risk? Wow, you are tough. I want to know where all these WR's you are starting that are more consistent than Reggie. I know he has only caught TD's in 4 of his 5 games. 2nd in the league in yards. 3rd in receptions. Yeah, if I had Reggie, I would certainly be looking for someone I could depend on more.And BTW, Reggie has had two 100 yard games...he 'disappeared in week 1' with 10 catches 162 yards and a TD.

Wayne could finish as the #1 WR if Steve Smith (NYG) starts to fade.I'm actually sitting here cursing myself that I drafted Jacobs in the 2nd round (non-ppr) over Wayne.

 

[Oh the Humanity]

I think Indy is going become the same kind of offense that New England has been for the last several years in that while owning Manning is Gold, everyone else in the lineup (except Clark) is use at you're own risk, in that your guy could have a big day or he could be completely ignored, and it changes every week. (Clark, as the second or third option will always pull in his 8 for 80 but even Reggie Wayne disappeared in week 1 and has only gotten 100 yds once this year). As long as Manning is in his prime, I think the WR1 will be overvalued, the next 5 or six options will all be slightly undervalued with the caveat that all that extra value will happen in one or two great games, rather then a consistent overperforming

Reggie is start at your own risk? Wow, you are tough. I want to know where all these WR's you are starting that are more consistent than Reggie. I know he has only caught TD's in 4 of his 5 games. 2nd in the league in yards. 3rd in receptions. Yeah, if I had Reggie, I would certainly be looking for someone I could depend on more.And BTW, Reggie has had two 100 yard games...he 'disappeared in week 1' with 10 catches 162 yards and a TD.

Wayne could finish as the #1 WR if Steve Smith (NYG) starts to fade.I'm actually sitting here cursing myself that I drafted Jacobs in the 2nd round (non-ppr) over Wayne.

My fault. I went to the FBG site to look up Wayne's stats and I was looking at the stats for the last four games and thought I was looking at the game logs for the entire season. Up until now The last four weeks was the entire season. Ok he had a big week one and disappeared in week 2. 3 catches for 37, no TD. Big week 3. and TD's salvaging ordinary weeks 4 and 5. My opinion for Wayne is that there's going to be a lot more week 4's and 5's in his future, not because he's not as good as he was, but because Manning is finding a lot of new targets. You obviously should still start him this year, I guess I'm seeing this as trend to consider when deciding where to draft him in the future.

 

[thriftyrocker]

How this settles out depends a lot on whether Garcon stays what he is - a legit deep threat - or whether he develops into a complete WR. If Garcon is what he is now, I think he is easily benched when Gonzalez is 100%, with Gonzalez mostly lining up in the Marvin spot and Collie getting most of the slot opportunities. I think that is the lineup we will see in December and January.

If Garcon develops and takes another big step forward next year, Collie gets pushed out and waits his turn. Garcon moves to the Marvin spot and Gonzalez takes over the majority of slot duties. Garcon is the best fit of the 3 for being a non-slot, outside WR and has the highest ceiling if lined up there. But at his current skill and production he is easily displaced by a healthy Gonzalez. He was in the game a lot last night, and looking at Peyton's eyes, he wasn't even considered him unless it was a deep ball.

In redraft, this makes Garcon the least valuable, and Gonzalez should have some value at the end of the year. In dynasty, Garcon has the most risk and the most possible reward of the 3. There are plenty of quotes from the Colts organization that they believe in him and he will be the guy. But at this point he is a project and gamble play.

If these "other" WRs continue to develop, I think Clark's production will go down. Marvin's final death throes gave him a nice one year+ window of TE domination, but if the WRs continue to show up, he doesn't have to stay the 2nd option.

 

[MCguidance]

I think Indy is going become the same kind of offense that New England has been for the last several years in that while owning Manning is Gold, everyone else in the lineup (except Clark) is use at you're own risk, in that your guy could have a big day or he could be completely ignored, and it changes every week. (Clark, as the second or third option will always pull in his 8 for 80 but even Reggie Wayne disappeared in week 1 and has only gotten 100 yds once this year). As long as Manning is in his prime, I think the WR1 will be overvalued, the next 5 or six options will all be slightly undervalued with the caveat that all that extra value will happen in one or two great games, rather then a consistent overperforming

Reggie is start at your own risk? Wow, you are tough. I want to know where all these WR's you are starting that are more consistent than Reggie. I know he has only caught TD's in 4 of his 5 games. 2nd in the league in yards. 3rd in receptions. Yeah, if I had Reggie, I would certainly be looking for someone I could depend on more.And BTW, Reggie has had two 100 yard games...he 'disappeared in week 1' with 10 catches 162 yards and a TD.

Wayne could finish as the #1 WR if Steve Smith (NYG) starts to fade.I'm actually sitting here cursing myself that I drafted Jacobs in the 2nd round (non-ppr) over Wayne.

I took Jennings, meh. Early yet, but I went back and forth on that decision for weeks. Just came down my big gut...which, thus far, was wrong.

 

[JHicks22]

With the way Peyton is slinging the pigskin, Hank Baskett would look good... okay, that may be a stretch, but you get my point. I think Gonzo keeps his job when healthy with COLLIE being the 3rd WR. I think they will still find ways to keep Garcon active in the passing game though.

 

[taz]

The Colts will basically have 4 lineups when Gonzalez comes back (not including "goal line"). Wayne, Gonzo, Clark and Addai/Brown in the game.2 TE - blocking. Gijon Robinson as TE2. 2 TE - receiving. Jacob Tamme as TE2. 3 WR - Garcon on the outside, Wayne or Gonzalez in the slot. 3 WR - Collie in the slot, Wayne and Gonzalez on the outside. The question is what % of these lineups will be used throughout the season, and how effective each of these formations will be. Good luck.

Or, put another way: Aside from Wayne/Clark, which of the other three (Gonzo/Collie/Garcon) would be the safest weekly start? And if you own two of them, who would you hold or trade?I've been holding onto Gonzo and picked up Collie last week (I'm sure others picked up Garcon - I missed out on him). I'm of the belief that they move Gonzo back to the outside; Collie stays in the slot where he'll continue to be a PPR asset, and Garcon loses PT.I would prefer to trade either Gonzo/Collie, as both would have value going forward. If you had one or both, how would you proceed?

 

[FFdork]

One angle to consider with Garcon is his run blocking. I believe I have read some positives about him in that department, but people that follow the Colts more closely can let us know.

With Wayne, Clark, Addai/Brown, and Gonzo/Collie in the slot you already have a lot of quality targets. Good run-blocking + the deep threat could keep Garcon on the field even if Gonzalez is the more polished receiver (and Gonzo could still play the slot).

Personally I think they will all get used a lot even when Gonzalez is healthy. I think the WR spots aside from Wayne could be in flux for a lot of the year depending on the Colts gameplan and what the situation dictates.

 

[RamMan]

Anyone know when Gonzo is due back? He's on my ww and I'd love to pick him up this week if he's close (over Collie, Miles Austin, Maclin, and Royal).

 

[Jerry Lawler]

On Gonzalez's health, it's tough to say when he'll be back. When asked about injured players returning after the bye, Polian didn't mention Gonzalez, but said they would be "all hands on deck",

except for the DB's.

"Q: There are two weeks remaining until the next game, but is this a chance to get some of the injured players back?

A: We'll see. I think the arrow is up on (safety) Bob (Sanders). I don't want to put a timeframe on that, but he has been out taking some activity with the scout team. We'll see if we can ramp

that up this coming week and perhaps into St. Louis week. (Cornerback) Marlin (Jackson), I think, is a little bit away still. (Cornerback) Kelvin (Hayden) probably is the closest. We'll see where

we are there. We came through the game with little or no serious injuries for the first time in five weeks. That part of it was really positive. For St. Louis, we should have all hands on deck other

than the defensive backs, and that will be a catch-as-catch-can kind of situation. That's good and the way you'd like it to be entering a bye week. So, we feel pretty good about that and we'll just

take it from here."

He later dodged a question about the roles of Gonzalez and Bob Sanders when they return.

I don't think there's much you can hang your hat on with the Colts WR situation. We're mostly speculating at this point. My 2 cents: Gonzalez won't return until week 9 or 10, maybe later and

probably in a limited role initially. By the playoffs, I'm guessing you see Wayne and Gonzalez in 2TE/2WR sets, with Garcon playing outside and Gonzalez in the slot for a lot of the 3 WR sets,

which probably puts Garcon on the field at least 50% of the time. I think Collie will continue to see the field in certain formations too.

 

[netnalp]

Anyone know when Gonzo is due back? He's on my ww and I'd love to pick him up this week if he's close (over Collie, Miles Austin, Maclin, and Royal).

Colts president Bill Polian revealed that Anthony Gonzalez (knee) is not healthy enough to practice during the team's Week 6 bye.Polian also said CB Kelvin Hayden (hamstring) is "probably closest" to returning among all the Colts' injured players. He was noncommittal when asked if Gonzalez could immediately resume an every-down receiver role in Week 7. "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it," Polian said. "In my experience, there will be some roadblocks before we get to that bridge."Source: colts.com

If he can't practice during the week 6 bye, I doubt he'll be ready for week 7. I'm thinking the earliest he's of any value is week 10.

 

[RamMan]

On Gonzalez's health, it's tough to say when he'll be back. When asked about injured players returning after the bye, Polian didn't mention Gonzalez, but said they would be "all hands on deck", except for DB's.

Q: There are two weeks remaining until the next game, but is this a chance to get some of the injured players back?A: We'll see. I think the arrow is up on (safety) Bob (Sanders). I don't want to put a timeframe on that, but he has been out taking some activity with the scout team. We'll see if we can ramp that up this coming week and perhaps into St. Louis week. (Cornerback) Marlin (Jackson), I think, is a little bit away still. (Cornerback) Kelvin (Hayden) probably is the closest. We'll see where we are there. We came through the game with little or no serious injuries for the first time in five weeks. That part of it was really positive. For St. Louis, we should have all hands on deck other than the defensive backs, and that will be a catch-as-catch-can kind of situation. That's good and the way you'd like it to be entering a bye week. So, we feel pretty good about that and we'll just take it from here.

He later dodged a question about the roles of Gonzalez and Bob Sanders when they return. I don't think there's much you can hang your hat on with the Colts WR situation. We're mostly speculating at this point. My 2 cents: Gonzalez won't return until week 9 or 10, maybe later and probably in a limited role initially. By the playoffs, I'm guessing you see Wayne and Gonzalez in 2TE/2WR sets, with Garcon playing outside and Gonzalez in the slot for a lot of the 3 WR sets, which probably puts Garcon on the field at least 50% of the time. I think Collie will continue to see the field in certain formations too.

Appreciate the input...thx!

 

[The Gray Hood]

collie's slot.

I would imagine when gonzo gets back it'll be him and wayne outside and collie slot in 3 wr, which they play a fair amount of.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_team.php?ta...ts=&gameid=

you can go here and click 'player participation' for each week to see how everybody was used.

ps

who stretched this thread??

 

[Sabertooth]

collie's slot.

I would imagine when gonzo gets back it'll be him and wayne outside and collie slot in 3 wr, which they play a fair amount of.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_team.php?ta...ts=&gameid=

you can go here and click 'player participation' for each week to see how everybody was used.

ps

who stretched this thread??

Wow, could we get a mod to fix this thread please? There is some great information in here and I'd hate for it to slide because of a formatting issue.

 

[Darko M]

If Collie retains the slot position all year are we thinking 6-8 receptions, 60-80 yards, 0.5 TDs per game?

...because that would be waiver wire GOLD in my ppr.

 

[duaneok66]

If Collie retains the slot position all year are we thinking 6-8 receptions, 60-80 yards, 0.5 TDs per game?...because that would be waiver wire GOLD in my ppr.

way too many mouths to feed in that offense to count on 6 receptions a game . . .

 

[jobarules]

Hes this yrs Lance Moore. Book it

 

[djcolts]

If Collie retains the slot position all year are we thinking 6-8 receptions, 60-80 yards, 0.5 TDs per game?...because that would be waiver wire GOLD in my ppr.

Only if defenses play a base (non-nickel or dime) 4-3 defense against the Colts 3 WR formations. I don't see that happening again this season. Last week was an unusual circumstance.

 

[jobarules]

If Collie retains the slot position all year are we thinking 6-8 receptions, 60-80 yards, 0.5 TDs per game?...because that would be waiver wire GOLD in my ppr.

That would be stud WR territory: 96-128 rec, 1000-1300yds, 8 TDs over a 16 game season.

 

[HoTnickZ]

WRBC like Minny, but with a better QB and receivers.

In weeks 14-16 Wayne is going to be locked down against those D's. One or more of these guys along with Clark will probably reap the rewards. Peyton is loving this situation. He will be sure to keep them hungry by spreading the love over the course of the season and when there's a mismatch in a particular game he will exploit it over and over.

 

[benbadman]

owning and starting all of them is a pretty viable strategy too in 3 WR leagues. if you can get 200-250 and 1.5 TDs every week out of your 3 WR starters, you'd take 29-34 points right?

 

[Cheesedawg]

Keep in mind that just because a guy comes back from a knee injury and can practice and play doesn't mean he has all of his speed back and is the same player he was before. Gonzo doesn't appear to be healing fast at the very least. Garcon has the stretch speed that is a requisite of being one of the two outside receivers. What kind of speed with Gonzo have when he finally is able to practice and play?

All speculation, of course, but my guess is when Gonzo comes back, he cuts into Collie's slot time more than Garcon's outside spot. That is assuming that Garcon continues to take advantage of this opportunity by playing well.

I am a Garcon owner, so I should disclose my possible bias.

 

[MCguidance]

If Collie retains the slot position all year are we thinking 6-8 receptions, 60-80 yards, 0.5 TDs per game?...because that would be waiver wire GOLD in my ppr.

:( That would be stud WR territory: 96-128 rec, 1000-1300yds, 8 TDs over a 16 game season.

You like doing this don't you? I'm noticing a pattern. I think if he is in the slot, he could see some good totals, but it's very unpredictable from week to week with the efficiency of that offense.

 

[jobarules]

If Collie retains the slot position all year are we thinking 6-8 receptions, 60-80 yards, 0.5 TDs per game?...because that would be waiver wire GOLD in my ppr.

That would be stud WR territory: 96-128 rec, 1000-1300yds, 8 TDs over a 16 game season.

You like doing this don't you? I'm noticing a pattern. I think if he is in the slot, he could see some good totals, but it's very unpredictable from week to week with the efficiency of that offense.

doing what? I own the guy I wish he put up those #s.

 

[Darko M]

If Collie retains the slot position all year are we thinking 6-8 receptions, 60-80 yards, 0.5 TDs per game?...because that would be waiver wire GOLD in my ppr.

That would be stud WR territory: 96-128 rec, 1000-1300yds, 8 TDs over a 16 game season.

You like doing this don't you? I'm noticing a pattern. I think if he is in the slot, he could see some good totals, but it's very unpredictable from week to week with the efficiency of that offense.

doing what? I own the guy I wish he put up those #s.

What does Welker do when Brady is on? Manning is on fire right now and if Collie stays in the slot he could put up some very nice #s. Stokley put up top 20 #s back in '04, and that was with Marvin and Wayne being top 10 guys. If Manning continues to target Collie he will be a PPR steal....it all boils down to who falls into that slot position.

 

[duaneok66]

If Collie retains the slot position all year are we thinking 6-8 receptions, 60-80 yards, 0.5 TDs per game?...because that would be waiver wire GOLD in my ppr.

That would be stud WR territory: 96-128 rec, 1000-1300yds, 8 TDs over a 16 game season.

You like doing this don't you? I'm noticing a pattern. I think if he is in the slot, he could see some good totals, but it's very unpredictable from week to week with the efficiency of that offense.

doing what? I own the guy I wish he put up those #s.

the flaw lies in your whole argument . . . Stokely benefitted due to the presence of Wayne and Harrison - both of those guys demanded double teams (at times) - the Titans did the same - a lot of teams will tell an untested Garcon to beat them - that's what previous posters were trying to say . . .that being said, Collie was still a decent pickup . . . What does Welker do when Brady is on? Manning is on fire right now and if Collie stays in the slot he could put up some very nice #s. Stokley put up top 20 #s back in '04, and that was with Marvin and Wayne being top 10 guys. If Manning continues to target Collie he will be a PPR steal....it all boils down to who falls into that slot position.

the flaw lies in your own argument . . . Stokely benefitted due to the presence of Wayne and Harrison - both of those guys demanded double teams (at times) - the Titans did the same - a lot of teams will tell an untested Garcon to beat them - that's what previous posters were trying to say . . .that being said, Collie was still a decent pickup . . .

 

[GoBirds]

Who do you guys like next week @ STL between Collie and Garcon? Who has the better matchup? Who will Gonzo hurt most if he plays?

 

[duaneok66]

Who do you guys like next week @ STL between Collie and Garcon? Who has the better matchup? Who will Gonzo hurt most if he plays?

why would Gonzo play?? I dont think he's even practicing yet???

 

[GoBirds]

Who do you guys like next week @ STL between Collie and Garcon? Who has the better matchup? Who will Gonzo hurt most if he plays?

why would Gonzo play?? I dont think he's even practicing yet???

Then who between Garcon and Collie? Which one do you think gets pulled when the games in hand and who stays for mop up?Collie is available in my league, Garcon has to clear waivers.

 

[duaneok66]

Who do you guys like next week @ STL between Collie and Garcon? Who has the better matchup? Who will Gonzo hurt most if he plays?

why would Gonzo play?? I dont think he's even practicing yet???

Then who between Garcon and Collie? Which one do you think gets pulled when the games in hand and who stays for mop up?Collie is available in my league, Garcon has to clear waivers.

I would grab both if I could - I made the mistake of picking ONLY Garcon when I had the chance - then I watched Collie go off last week . . . if it's a blowout it won't matter because they will be throwing short passes anyway . . . defenses will dictate who has the better day - Manning will throw to the open guy . . . I believe that some teams won't respect Garcon (with good reason) and he will have good days - depends on the defensive scheme . . .

 

[jobarules]

Who do you guys like next week @ STL between Collie and Garcon? Who has the better matchup? Who will Gonzo hurt most if he plays?

why would Gonzo play?? I dont think he's even practicing yet???

Then who between Garcon and Collie? Which one do you think gets pulled when the games in hand and who stays for mop up?Collie is available in my league, Garcon has to clear waivers.

Do you really think anyone knows?

 

[GoBirds]

Who do you guys like next week @ STL between Collie and Garcon? Who has the better matchup? Who will Gonzo hurt most if he plays?

why would Gonzo play?? I dont think he's even practicing yet???

Then who between Garcon and Collie? Which one do you think gets pulled when the games in hand and who stays for mop up?Collie is available in my league, Garcon has to clear waivers.

Do you really think anyone knows?

I know I have no clue. That's why I'm asking. In case someone has a reason to believe one is a better option than the other this week.Thanks for your contribution.

 

[GoBirds]

Indy homers, is Gonzo definitely out this week?

 

[identikit]

Indy homers, is Gonzo definitely out this week?

Word around is that he won't be ready.I doubt we know for sure til this weekend.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Indy homers, is Gonzo definitely out this week?

Word around is that he won't be ready.I doubt we know for sure til this weekend.

ID is correct from what I have read. AGonzo just started running last week. It speaks volumes how the Colts will not give a timetable for his return

 

[jobarules]

Indy homers, is Gonzo definitely out this week?

All speculation points to yes.