xbox one vs ps4 (2 Viewers)

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Earlier in this travesty of a thread, I posted that I was experiencing diminished picture quality when running a DirecTV receiver through the Xbox One. It was noticeable and unacceptable to me.

Turns out you must use the Xbox supplied HDMI cable to run from the xbox out to the TV to AVR. Counterintuitively, that flimsy looking xbox cable performs perfectly. Picture quality is just as good as running the DTV box straight to the TV.

I was able to take advantage of the pass through features which I really like. Switching back & forth between games, TV, Netflix, etc is well done, especially when playing a game and while keeping an eye on the football games in the corner.

The smartglass app on the iphone and ipad is pretty convenient also. I can use either iOS device as a full remote control, running the whole dashboard without the need to turn a controller on. It can also control volume, channel and power of my TV and AV receiver.

With only a DTV remote and my phone or ipad nearby, my coffee table is way less cluttered without having to buy a harmony remote.

I'm not a fan of talking to my TV, but I can just say "Xbox On" and it turns on the xbox, DVR, TV and receiver. My wife and kid really like this.

All that considered, I am much happier with the system than I was last week.

Have you used the fantasy football app at all. The fantasy football app looked interesting but I didn't know if it was going to be the same as a website dashboard or if you could modify it for your league.

Sorry. I don't play magic football

Really? How did you end up on a fantasy football website?

I should have said "I no longer play magic football"

 

[One]

Earlier in this travesty of a thread, I posted that I was experiencing diminished picture quality when running a DirecTV receiver through the Xbox One. It was noticeable and unacceptable to me.

Turns out you must use the Xbox supplied HDMI cable to run from the xbox out to the TV to AVR. Counterintuitively, that flimsy looking xbox cable performs perfectly. Picture quality is just as good as running the DTV box straight to the TV.

I was able to take advantage of the pass through features which I really like. Switching back & forth between games, TV, Netflix, etc is well done, especially when playing a game and while keeping an eye on the football games in the corner.

The smartglass app on the iphone and ipad is pretty convenient also. I can use either iOS device as a full remote control, running the whole dashboard without the need to turn a controller on. It can also control volume, channel and power of my TV and AV receiver.

With only a DTV remote and my phone or ipad nearby, my coffee table is way less cluttered without having to buy a harmony remote.

I'm not a fan of talking to my TV, but I can just say "Xbox On" and it turns on the xbox, DVR, TV and receiver. My wife and kid really like this.

All that considered, I am much happier with the system than I was last week.

Have you used the fantasy football app at all. The fantasy football app looked interesting but I didn't know if it was going to be the same as a website dashboard or if you could modify it for your league.

I spun through it and unless you have a fantasy league through NFL.com, it's basically only a app to watch clips from NFL Network. Unfortunately, none of my FF leagues are on NFL.com so I can't comment, but I'd like to hear what others think of it as well.

 

[One]

One thing that was pretty cool about my XBox replacement..

When I got the new one installed, all my settings and automatic game saves were restored from the cloud without me doing anything. It took a little while to restore them all, but it's pretty cool I didn't lose them all or have to use a thumb drive to back them up.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

One thing that was pretty cool about my XBox replacement..

When I got the new one installed, all my settings and automatic game saves were restored from the cloud without me doing anything. It took a little while to restore them all, but it's pretty cool I didn't lose them all or have to use a thumb drive to back them up.

LEMMING!!!!!!

 

[OC Zed]

I leave for a few days and suddenly this thread gets doushed up by fanboys.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I leave for a few days and suddenly this thread gets doushed up by fanboys.

It's a thread about which gaming console is better. What did you expect?

This would be like tim starting a thread like Which Party Is More to Blame for the Government Shutdown and then getting surprised when it turned into a partisan slap-fight.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Reviews have been stating that the graphics on multiplatform games look better on PS4 but the frame rates have been worse. That's one of the things I'm interested in seeing play out over the next 6-12 months. It may be that the PS4 is objectively superior in every way, but I think it's too early to close up shop and declare total victory on the graphics.

Do you have a link for this? I haven't seen any reviews that show the PS4 running at a lower frame rate than the Xbox, but I don't read reviews of every game that comes down the line so I may have missed one.

For example, here's Eurogamer / Digital Foundry on AC4:

So once the day one patch has been applied we're looking at a crisp, native 1080p framebuffer on the PS4, backed up by a new custom post-process anti-aliasing solution that works well in suppressing jaggies across much of the scene. This gives the game a clean look overall, barring issues with sub-pixel detail that can only be resolved on PC, where a vast range of anti-aliasing options are available if you have the GPU power to run them. Moving onto Microsoft's console, there's no special update to boost resolution on the Xbox One game, which renders at 1600x900 while using an older post-process AA algorithm that doesn't provide the same smooth level of coverage we see on PS4. This isn't necessarily a deal breaker though, if you consider how well the stock 900p PS4 game is upscaled - even without the patch, overall image quality still looked remarkably smooth.

That said, it's instantly obvious that the same level of image quality isn't present on the Xbox One release, which looks visibly worse in comparison to the unpatched 900p PS4 game. Essentially this translates to a fuzzier image on screen that highlights the breaking up of fine detail in the distance while smoothing over texture details. As we've seen in other sub-1080p games upscaled by the Xbox One hardware, overall image quality is further impacted by the introduction of an unwanted sharpening filter, directly responsible for the grainy pop that surrounds the texture work and foliage throughout the game and the visibly hard edges on foliage and complex scenery.

Thankfully, the performance situation is far more positive when sampling both next generation consoles. While we aren't looking at the 60fps gold standard favoured by enthusiast PC gamers, Black Flag manages to stick closely to a solid 30fps across both formats. In fact, on the PS4 we never felt or noticed anything other than a locked 30fps update at all during our four hours or so of capturing - an impressive feat considering the boost to 1080p rendering. The Xbox One version mostly achieves the same solid 30fps performance at 900p, but there are times when the frame-rate is noticeably compromised, resulting in uneven motion and even the odd torn frame (too few in number to be noticeable).

Better resolution. Same or better framerate. BF4 and COD have been the same.

And again, this isn't to say that there's anything wrong with buying an Xbox -- there are lots of good reasons why a person might go that route. But just in case there's actually anybody reading this thread who doesn't have his mind made up already, we should be honest about multiplatform game performance. Not every game runs better on the PS4 than the Xbox. But some do, and none run better on the Xbox. I'll happily concede that that's just one factor in a person's buying decision.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I leave for a few days and suddenly this thread gets doushed up by fanboys.

It's a thread about which gaming console is better. What did you expect?

This would be like tim starting a thread like Which Party Is More to Blame for the Government Shutdown and then getting surprised when it turned into a partisan slap-fight.

Yeah, but this thread didn't turn into a typical internet flame war until one guy showed up.

 

[thecatch]

Reviews have been stating that the graphics on multiplatform games look better on PS4 but the frame rates have been worse. That's one of the things I'm interested in seeing play out over the next 6-12 months. It may be that the PS4 is objectively superior in every way, but I think it's too early to close up shop and declare total victory on the graphics.

Do you have a link for this? I haven't seen any reviews that show the PS4 running at a lower frame rate than the Xbox, but I don't read reviews of every game that comes down the line so I may have missed one.

For example, here's Eurogamer / Digital Foundry on AC4:

So once the day one patch has been applied we're looking at a crisp, native 1080p framebuffer on the PS4, backed up by a new custom post-process anti-aliasing solution that works well in suppressing jaggies across much of the scene. This gives the game a clean look overall, barring issues with sub-pixel detail that can only be resolved on PC, where a vast range of anti-aliasing options are available if you have the GPU power to run them. Moving onto Microsoft's console, there's no special update to boost resolution on the Xbox One game, which renders at 1600x900 while using an older post-process AA algorithm that doesn't provide the same smooth level of coverage we see on PS4. This isn't necessarily a deal breaker though, if you consider how well the stock 900p PS4 game is upscaled - even without the patch, overall image quality still looked remarkably smooth.

That said, it's instantly obvious that the same level of image quality isn't present on the Xbox One release, which looks visibly worse in comparison to the unpatched 900p PS4 game. Essentially this translates to a fuzzier image on screen that highlights the breaking up of fine detail in the distance while smoothing over texture details. As we've seen in other sub-1080p games upscaled by the Xbox One hardware, overall image quality is further impacted by the introduction of an unwanted sharpening filter, directly responsible for the grainy pop that surrounds the texture work and foliage throughout the game and the visibly hard edges on foliage and complex scenery.

Thankfully, the performance situation is far more positive when sampling both next generation consoles. While we aren't looking at the 60fps gold standard favoured by enthusiast PC gamers, Black Flag manages to stick closely to a solid 30fps across both formats. In fact, on the PS4 we never felt or noticed anything other than a locked 30fps update at all during our four hours or so of capturing - an impressive feat considering the boost to 1080p rendering. The Xbox One version mostly achieves the same solid 30fps performance at 900p, but there are times when the frame-rate is noticeably compromised, resulting in uneven motion and even the odd torn frame (too few in number to be noticeable).

Better resolution. Same or better framerate. BF4 and COD have been the same.

And again, this isn't to say that there's anything wrong with buying an Xbox -- there are lots of good reasons why a person might go that route. But just in case there's actually anybody reading this thread who doesn't have his mind made up already, we should be honest about multiplatform game performance. Not every game runs better on the PS4 than the Xbox. But some do, and none run better on the Xbox. I'll happily concede that that's just one factor in a person's buying decision.

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-call-of-duty-offers-better-framerate-than-ps4-1463163114

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Reviews have been stating that the graphics on multiplatform games look better on PS4 but the frame rates have been worse. That's one of the things I'm interested in seeing play out over the next 6-12 months. It may be that the PS4 is objectively superior in every way, but I think it's too early to close up shop and declare total victory on the graphics.

Do you have a link for this? I haven't seen any reviews that show the PS4 running at a lower frame rate than the Xbox, but I don't read reviews of every game that comes down the line so I may have missed one.

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-call-of-duty-offers-better-framerate-than-ps4-1463163114

This was brought up earlier in the thread. The issue with the PS4 version of COD is that it suffered from frame rate spikes, not frame rate drops. Allegedly this has been fixed, but I'm not a COD guy so I'll defer to those who are.

Any other examples?

 

[Frank Drebin]

PS4 sold 2.1 million consoles across 32 markets in 16 days, XB1 has sold 2 million consoles across 13 markets in 18 days.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/11/5199600/xbox-one-2-million-sales

 

[Jobber]

PS4 sold 2.1 million consoles across 32 markets in 16 days, XB1 has sold 2 million consoles across 13 markets in 18 days.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/11/5199600/xbox-one-2-million-sales

This is fantastic news for both Microsoft, Sony, and console gamers as a whole. I hope both the PS4 and Xbox One sell 80 million each over the next several years. We must have more than one successful console to keep the innovation going.

 

[Loan Sharks]

I leave for a few days and suddenly this thread gets doushed up by fanboys.

It's a thread about which gaming console is better. What did you expect?

This would be like tim starting a thread like Which Party Is More to Blame for the Government Shutdown and then getting surprised when it turned into a partisan slap-fight.

Yeah, but this thread didn't turn into a typical internet flame war until one guy showed up.

I know right, but it can't be helped he has been spewing his xbox nonsense in gaming threads forever.

Anyways here is some good news first firmware upgrade for Xbone is coming out today.

Fixes

• Addresses SmartGlass issues for some users when coming in and out of connected standby
• Addresses multiplayer issues for some users when re-joining games
• Addresses issues with inconsistent notifications for some users
• Addresses dashboard performance for some users
• Offers improvements for Xbox One’s TV, system update, and content update services for scaling over time
• Updated wireless networking driver to improve connectivity issues for some users

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/mandatory-xbox-one-system-update-rolling-out-today-promises-various-os-fixes/1100-6416646/

 

[Pumpnick]

Is the ps4 online play a lot different than it was on ps3? I could not stand ps3 online.

 

[Corporation]

Is the ps4 online play a lot different than it was on ps3? I could not stand ps3 online.

Your question will not be answered until you insult another poster in this thread. Feel free to call me a name

I don't know is my answer. If the source of your hate was lag, then I also hope they have found a way to reduce it.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Is the ps4 online play a lot different than it was on ps3? I could not stand ps3 online.

I haven't noticed any differences in online play. What was it that you hated about the PS3 online?

 

[Pumpnick]

Lag and the amount of time it took to just get to the menus I needed to play online. I never played xbox 360 but enjoyed online play for the original xbox. I found myself hardly ever using my ps3 because the online play was such a hassle. Not sure what the differences in online play between the 2 new ones are , but something like that is more important to me than some of the specs talk that I probably won't even notice.

 

[Skylord]

I have a media closet that houses my receiver, xbox, etc. If I get an Xbox One and want to use Kinect, can I buy an extension cord for it? I'm talking about 100ft...

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Lag and the amount of time it took to just get to the menus I needed to play online. I never played xbox 360 but enjoyed online play for the original xbox. I found myself hardly ever using my ps3 because the online play was such a hassle. Not sure what the differences in online play between the 2 new ones are , but something like that is more important to me than some of the specs talk that I probably won't even notice.

Lag is common issue with online games on all platforms. The menu thing depends on the game. Neither of those has anything to do with your console.

Both of the new consoles offer stable online play.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I have a media closet that houses my receiver, xbox, etc. If I get an Xbox One and want to use Kinect, can I buy an extension cord for it? I'm talking about 100ft...

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030312&p_id=7644&seq=1&format=2

 

[Loan Sharks]

Lag and the amount of time it took to just get to the menus I needed to play online. I never played xbox 360 but enjoyed online play for the original xbox. I found myself hardly ever using my ps3 because the online play was such a hassle. Not sure what the differences in online play between the 2 new ones are , but something like that is more important to me than some of the specs talk that I probably won't even notice.

I have mainly been playing Battlefield 4 a typical start up would be.

1. Turn on ps4 load up maybe 10 seconds or so

2. it auto signs in to psn 5 secs later.

3. Click on the BF4 tile the BF$ load comes up for 4-8 sec then the hit start button

4. hit start and you are on the main menu

5. When you hit multi you go to the quick, server search of test range

6. I generally hit quick match choose a type and you are put in The wait is in general 15 secs before you are in the game it can be up to 30-40 secs if you catch a ending match and have the 30 second intermission to sit through.

Blacklight retribution is a little faster because it doesnt have as many menus to go through.

Small sample size but it seems quicker to me, but I don't think I had the issues signing in on the old system that you did, hope that helps.

One on PSN is very stable, I have not been disconnected from PSN yet but I have had several Battlefield crashes.

 

[Skylord]

I have a media closet that houses my receiver, xbox, etc. If I get an Xbox One and want to use Kinect, can I buy an extension cord for it? I'm talking about 100ft...

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030312&p_id=7644&seq=1&format=2

 

[Loan Sharks]

I have a media closet that houses my receiver, xbox, etc. If I get an Xbox One and want to use Kinect, can I buy an extension cord for it? I'm talking about 100ft...

I think you can, I had a guy fish a ethernet cable through the walls for me at my last house that was probably 75 feet. I don't know for sure if it was one cable or two 50' linked. A lot of those home network guys will do it for you for $100-$150.

 

[Sand]

PS4 sold 2.1 million consoles across 32 markets in 16 days, XB1 has sold 2 million consoles across 13 markets in 18 days.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/11/5199600/xbox-one-2-million-sales

This is fantastic news for both Microsoft, Sony, and console gamers as a whole. I hope both the PS4 and Xbox One sell 80 million each over the next several years. We must have more than one successful console to keep the innovation going.

Absolutely - and since the platforms are so similar we're going to see better games - less effort has to be expended to make a PC, PS4, and XB1 version.

 

[Jobber]

Lag and the amount of time it took to just get to the menus I needed to play online. I never played xbox 360 but enjoyed online play for the original xbox. I found myself hardly ever using my ps3 because the online play was such a hassle. Not sure what the differences in online play between the 2 new ones are , but something like that is more important to me than some of the specs talk that I probably won't even notice.

I have mainly been playing Battlefield 4 a typical start up would be.

1. Turn on ps4 load up maybe 10 seconds or so

2. it auto signs in to psn 5 secs later.

3. Click on the BF4 tile the BF$ load comes up for 4-8 sec then the hit start button

4. hit start and you are on the main menu

5. When you hit multi you go to the quick, server search of test range

6. I generally hit quick match choose a type and you are put in The wait is in general 15 secs before you are in the game it can be up to 30-40 secs if you catch a ending match and have the 30 second intermission to sit through.

Blacklight retribution is a little faster because it doesnt have as many menus to go through.

Small sample size but it seems quicker to me, but I don't think I had the issues signing in on the old system that you did, hope that helps.

One on PSN is very stable, I have not been disconnected from PSN yet but I have had several Battlefield crashes.

Yeah same experience here with BF4 on the Xbox One.

 

[Jobber]

PS4 sold 2.1 million consoles across 32 markets in 16 days, XB1 has sold 2 million consoles across 13 markets in 18 days.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/11/5199600/xbox-one-2-million-sales

This is fantastic news for both Microsoft, Sony, and console gamers as a whole. I hope both the PS4 and Xbox One sell 80 million each over the next several years. We must have more than one successful console to keep the innovation going.

Absolutely - and since the platforms are so similar we're going to see better games - less effort has to be expended to make a PC, PS4, and XB1 version.

Hopefully the strong next-gen console numbers will lure more developers away from the PS360 generation. Fewer multiplats that are developed for 4 or 5 consoles.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Hopefully the strong next-gen console numbers will lure more developers away from the PS360 generation. Fewer multiplats that are developed for 4 or 5 consoles.

I'm also holding out hope for a next-gen version of Dark Souls 2. I'm still pessimistic that this is going to happen, but strong sales at least make it a little more likely.

 

[Jobber]

Hopefully the strong next-gen console numbers will lure more developers away from the PS360 generation. Fewer multiplats that are developed for 4 or 5 consoles.

I'm also holding out hope for a next-gen version of Dark Souls 2. I'm still pessimistic that this is going to happen, but strong sales at least make it a little more likely.

Me too. If I were a betting man, there will be an announcement at E3 for Dark Souls 2 on the PS4/X1. Similar to the recently announced Tomb Raider.

 

[SlaX]

Is the ps4 online play a lot different than it was on ps3? I could not stand ps3 online.

Your question will not be answered until you insult another poster in this thread. Feel free to call me a name

I don't know is my answer. If the source of your hate was lag, then I also hope they have found a way to reduce it.

You're a cotton-headed ninny-muggins.

 

[Drifter]

I have not yet purchased. I'm likely going PS4 as I enjoyed my PS3 experience and this improves on the things that were lacking from the PS3 while providing a better gaming machine.

That said, I am sorely tempted by some of the XBONE features like the HDMI pass through (especially the HDMI pass through), but probably not enough to justify it over the PS4.

 

[Loan Sharks]

I have not yet purchased. I'm likely going PS4 as I enjoyed my PS3 experience and this improves on the things that were lacking from the PS3 while providing a better gaming machine.

That said, I am sorely tempted by some of the XBONE features like the HDMI pass through (especially the HDMI pass through), but probably not enough to justify it over the PS4.

I like that too, but any thoughts I had of getting the xbox one evaporated when the rumor of the free Sunday ticket got killed and that the pass through wouldn't let me pass the PS4 through with out serious degradation. I had considered both for the hub/gaming combo but not possible.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

friendly advice.

if you report a post because you find it offensive, don't continue to reply to it afterwards so it shows up over and over again in a thread.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Loan Sharks getting report happy?

 

[Loan Sharks]

Loan Sharks getting report happy?

Naw, I had nothing to do with all the posts that disappeared before today.

 

[Loan Sharks]

This seems appropriate.

http://i.fra.bz/2br6

 

[Jobber]

Loan Sharks getting report happy?

So lame.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Loan Sharks getting report happy?

So lame.

Hey my posts get nuked yours get nuked too. I didn't start it.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

TLDR

So I picked up the new Xbox One for "the boys" for Christmas. I can't wait to use the hand motions to turn on stuff. Wonder if I make the "choke the chicken gesture" Xbox 1 will automatically turn on PrON?

 

[Jobber]

TLDR

So I picked up the new Xbox One for "the boys" for Christmas. I can't wait to use the hand motions to turn on stuff. Wonder if I make the "choke the chicken gesture" Xbox 1 will automatically turn on PrON?

No, it doesn't.

 

[tonydead]

Found a Xbox One at Gamestop today, no PS4. A buddy of mine is at another Gamestop that has PS4 and he's getting me one right now. The prices are dropping rapidly on ebay too so I think the market is almost saturated. You should be able to find either for retail should you want one for Christmas.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Found a Xbox One at Gamestop today, no PS4. A buddy of mine is at another Gamestop that has PS4 and he's getting me one right now. The prices are dropping rapidly on ebay too so I think the market is almost saturated. You should be able to find either for retail should you want one for Christmas.

You can get one on Amazon right now.

 

[belljr]

Found a Xbox One at Gamestop today, no PS4. A buddy of mine is at another Gamestop that has PS4 and he's getting me one right now. The prices are dropping rapidly on ebay too so I think the market is almost saturated. You should be able to find either for retail should you want one for Christmas.

You can get one on Amazon right now.

sweet just ordered missed out on one at Target today

 

[belljr]

the normal ones 400 bucks right

 

[belljr]

thanks for the heads up --- I ordered from my phone looks like its out of stock already

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

I got mine at Sams club today. They had 3 in stock. Call around they are still there.

 

[cst2006]

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned, but from the BFads.net email I got today:

"Further, on Sunday, December 15, Walmart (both in-store and online) is expected to receive their largest shipment of the Sony PlayStation 4 console, representing what may be the last chance to get the very sought-after console at its retail price before Christmas."

Heads up for anyone still looking for one.

 

[HellToupee]

anyone looking for an Xbox , Amazon has them in stock now

 

[walnutz]

Need some help from any folks who may have a PS4 --

When my 9 yer old son plays NBA14 or FIFA 14 under his profile on the PS4 we get an error saying -- "Does not meet the minimum requirements to play on line." I am not sure what this about. Have any of seen this issue and any suggestions on how to fix it.

I am thinking it may have to with his birthday and being 9. So, the system is restricting him from being on line. Not sure though.

Thanks.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Need some help from any folks who may have a PS4 --

When my 9 yer old son plays NBA14 or FIFA 14 under his profile on the PS4 we get an error saying -- "Does not meet the minimum requirements to play on line." I am not sure what this about. Have any of seen this issue and any suggestions on how to fix it.

I am thinking it may have to with his birthday and being 9. So, the system is restricting him from being on line. Not sure though.

Thanks.

Yes, there is a minimum age requirement to play online. Not sure what it is. My son was clever enough to be 18 when he signed up a few years ago.

Edit: By "be 18" I mean entering a birthdate consistent with being 18. He's actually 14 and was probably 11 when he created his profile.

Edit 2: Loan Sharks' suggestion about PS+ is a strong possibility too.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Need some help from any folks who may have a PS4 --

When my 9 yer old son plays NBA14 or FIFA 14 under his profile on the PS4 we get an error saying -- "Does not meet the minimum requirements to play on line." I am not sure what this about. Have any of seen this issue and any suggestions on how to fix it.

I am thinking it may have to with his birthday and being 9. So, the system is restricting him from being on line. Not sure though.

Thanks.

Do you have the PS+ subscription? PS+ is needed for online multiplayer content.

That would be my first guess.

The other possibilities are that you have somehow restricted his account in the parental control settings.

I don't think it has to do with his age as I think Fifa is family friendly