Yahoo!'s first "Big Board" for 2007 fantasy drafts (1 Viewer)

[aldelgreco]

1 LaDainian Tomlinson, SD, RB Top spot can't be argued: 31 TDs, 2,323 yfs

2 Larry Johnson, KC, RB 11 100-yard games, 19 TDs

3 Steven Jackson, StL, RB 90 receptions, strong '06 finish has him on LJ's heels

4 Shaun Alexander, Sea, RB Last 6 games: 5 TDs, 672 rushing yards, 4.0 ypc

5 Frank Gore, SF, RB 9 100-yard games; Offense should improve in '07

6 Willie Parker, Pit, RB Off the Bus: Set Steelers record with 16 TDs

7 Brian Westbrook, Phi, RB Bonus: Avg 4.5 TD catches, 588 rec. yds past 4 years

8 Peyton Manning, Ind, QB 4-year avg: 37 TD passes, 10 INTs, 4,242 pass yds

9 Joseph Addai, Ind, RB After far outplaying Rhodes, should be go-to in '07

10 Rudi Johnson, Cin, RB 12 TDs in 3 straight seasons, but just 3.8 ypc in '06

11 Maurice Jones-Drew, Jac, RB 6.5 yards per touch; Many more touches coming in '07

12 Ronnie Brown, Mia, RB Reached 1,008 rush yards despite injury (3 DNPs)

13 Carson Palmer, Cin, QB Starts '07 fresh after answering health ?'s in '06

14 Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB 16 TDs in 134 career attempts; Should see 200+ in '07

15 Clinton Portis, Was, RB Betts' success has brought trade, platoon concerns

16 Steve Smith, Car, WR Sans hammy, QB health issues, he'll rebound in '07

17 Marvin Harrison, Ind, WR $ in bank: 1,100+ yds, 10+ TDs in 8 straight seasons

18 Torry Holt, StL, WR 4-year average: 102 catches, 1,397 yds, 10 TDs

19 Chad Johnson, Cin, WR Scored in just 4 games, topped 100 yds in just 4, too

20 Laurence Maroney, NE, RB Expect Dillon to take a back seat in '07, if he stays

21 Chester Taylor, Min, RB Has O-line to excel if QB problems can be righted

22 Reggie Bush, NO, RB All 8 of his rush/receive TDs came in final 8 weeks

23 Terrell Owens, Dal, WR Solid #'s will always come w/ off-field worries

24 Larry Fitzgerald, Ari, WR Closed with a TD in 4 of his last 5 games

25 Drew Brees, NO, QB Technician has weapons, system to keep it rolling

26 T.J. Houshmandzadeh,Cin,WR 20 TDs in past 34 regular-season games

27 Reggie Wayne, Ind, WR 3-year average: 82 catches, 1,192 yds, 9 TDs

28 Antonio Gates, SD, TE Chemistry w/ Rivers solidified down the stretch

29 Roy Williams, Det, WR 1,310 yds, 7 TDs was solid, but below my expectations

30 Anquan Boldin, Ari, WR 4 TDs likely to bring draft discount in '07 - I'll take it

31 Javon Walker, Den, WR Cutler's deep-ball will fit well with Walker's skills

32 Marques Colston, NO, WR May have a better '07 but less Yahoo! value sans TE

33 Donald Driver, GB, WR 3-year average: 87 catches, 1,241 yds, 7 TDs

34 Edgerrin James, Ari, RB Encouraging development: Top15 RB in final 5 weeks

35 Andre Johnson, Hou, WR 103 catches yielded just 1,147 yards, 5 TDs

36 Willis McGahee, Buf, RB TD dry spell ended w/ 5 TDs in final 6 games

37 Plaxico Burress, NYG, WR 10 TDs despite just 63 catches

38 Deuce McAllister, NO, RB Repeat #'s (1,057 yds, 10 TDs) in '07 wouldn't surprise

39 Kevin Jones, Det, RB Top 10 RB before foot injury (could linger into '07)

40 Lee Evans, Buf, WR Averaged 96 yards and scored 7 TDs in final 9 games

41 Cedric Benson, Chi, RB Showed enough to likely garner featured role in '07

42 Darrell Jackson, Sea, WR Pt. per game production has been top shelf for a while

43 Marion Barber III, Dal, RB 16 TDs in '06, and likely more work in '07

44 Hines Ward, Pit, WR 975 yds, 6 TDs despite persistent health woes

45 Michael Vick, Atl, QB Think of him as a 1,000-yard RB w/ 20 TD pass bonus

46 Marc Bulger, StL, QB 95 TD passes in 60 career games (24 in '06)

47 Carnell Williams, TB, RB Worth gamble this late that health, Bucs will rebound

48 DeAngelo Williams, Car, RB DeShaun's lackluster '06 opens big door for DeLo

49 Jerious Norwood, Atl, RB His 6.4 ypc, Dunn's fade screams increased workload

50 Vince Young, Ten, QB Big upside could yield 20 TD passes, 10 TD runs in '07

ON THE BUBBLE: LaMont Jordan, Oak, RB;; Jamal Lewis, Bal, RB; Alge Crumpler, Atl, TE; Travis Henry, Ten, RB; Thomas Jones, Chi, RB; Ahman Green, GB, RB; Julius Jones, Dal, RB; Braylon Edwards, Cle, WR; Matt Hasselbeck, Sea, QB; Chris Cooley, Was, TE; Kellen Winslow, Cle, TE; Todd Heap, Bal, TE; Jeremy Shockey, NYG, TE; Bernard Berrian, Chi, WR; Jerricho Cotchery, NYJ, WR; Reggie Brown, Phi, Wr; Donte' Stallworth, Phi, WR; Ben Roethlisberger, Pit, QB; Deion Branch, Sea, WR; Joey Galloway, TB, WR; Santana Moss, Was, WR; Tom Brady, NE, QB; Tony Gonzalez, KC, TE; Ladell Betts, Was, RB; Laveranues Coles, NYJ, WR; Matt Leinart, Ari, QB; Fred Taylor, Jac, RB; Warrick Dunn, Atl, RB; Leon Washington, NYJ, RB; Donovan McNabb, Phi, QB (ACL rehab); Jay Cutler, Den, QB; Vernon Davis, SF, TE;

My two Top 50 picks are the last two.

Jerious Norwood has looked like the better back all season, and Petrino is as advantageous as they come. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the Falcons will have to take a decent cap hit to retain the aging Dunn. Now..the only question with Norwood is whether or not he can stay healthy. I expect to hear more about the ATL run game situation as the season approaches, and I am going to follow the news closely.

The other that stood out was VY, of course. There is no way that he does not rush for 800 and at least 9 TDs. I also think he will pass for 20-25. If there is one thing that I have learned living here in Austin and attending UT during VY's time....it is not to doubt him when he states a goal publicly. The Titans WILL be an AFC playoff team next year, and Vince will consistently put up 15-20 point fantasy games.

Is Brandon Jacobs just a ****wee**** bit high? I mean, is he 1st round "turn material"?!?

Westy at #7 overall is a little odd, as well. I was a Westbrook owner this year and feel like I hit the lottery with no MAJOR injuries out of the guy..It sure was week to week, though. If he can produce again like last year, I would gladly take him at 7. That is not likely though, and we all know it.

I truly think that MJD is a good solid, late first round pick.

the last thing I found interesting is that Funston has two "1bs" in Barber and Benson ranked ahead of the Jones Brothers. I can't wait to see how some of these "platoon" issues play out.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

any list with Manning at #8 is bad.

Vince young top 50? maybe he'll finish there, but he's not getting drafted there.

I'd like to know what is up with Freddyt before grabbing MJD in round 1, but that might not matter.

 

[beto]

Westbrook is exactly where I have him. I don't forcast injuries for most backs.

To high - Manning, Jacobs, Drew, Palmer

To low - Reggie Wayne

Otherwise, not bad.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Portis too low at 15.

McGahee is top 20/25, at least.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Portis too low at 15.

McGahee is top 20/25, at least.

 

[David Yudkin]

My early take on Jones-Drew is that he will be a draft day darling but may be someone who could be a bit of a disappointment.

Since 1970, he's one of 10 players to have 150 carries in a season with a 5.5 ypc. Almost all of the others saw a dropoff the following year:

Portis 2002 5.5 --> 5.5

Sanders 1997 6.1 --> 4.3

Kaufman 1996 5.8 --> 4.8

Sanders 1994 5.7 --> 4.8

Brooks 1989 5.6 --> 5.1

Dickerson 1984 5.6 --> 4.2

Simpson 1975 5.5 --> 5.2

Simpson 1973 6.0 --> 4.2

Harris 1972 5.6 --> 3.7

While the second year ypc totals for these players are mostly solid, a lot of Jones-Drew's success will hinge on how many touches he will get in 2007. Fred Taylor is only due $2.5 million next year (his final year on his contract). I don't see Taylor getting released or traded, and IMO Taylor may take a fair amount of the workload away from Jones-Drew.

As for RBs that have scored 15 TD in 225 or fewer touches, Jones-Drew is 1 of 6 players to accomplish that since 1970 (note that MBIII did it last year as well). I suspect that getting several long, breakaway TDs is something that is hard to predict and something that usually does not repeat itself from one year to the next (although that one certainly is open for debate).

Marion Barber III 2006 158 touches, 16 TD

Maurice Jones-Drew 2006 212 touches, 15 TD

Priest Holmes 2004 215 touches, 15 TD

Ickey Woods 1988 224 touches, 15 TD

David Sims 1978 204 touches, 15 TD

Pete Banaszak 1975 197 touches, 16 TD

I suspect we will see Jones-Drew see more touches but with a lower ypc and fewer TDs. What they translates to in the rankings is tough to call at this point, but IMO he may fall out of the Top 10 after ranking as the #8 RB this season unless he becomes the primary RB in Jacksonville.

 

[zamboni]

Addai seems a bit high at #9. It's yet to be determined if Rhodes is coming back, and even if he leaves, Addai still may not get the same workload as other backs in that vicinity of the rankings.

 

[Sinrman]

My early take on Jones-Drew is that he will be a draft day darling but may be someone who could be a bit of a disappointment.Since 1970, he's one of 10 players to have 150 carries in a season with a 5.5 ypc. Almost all of the others saw a dropoff the following yearortis 2002 5.5 --> 5.5Sanders 1997 6.1 --> 4.3Kaufman 1996 5.8 --> 4.8Sanders 1994 5.7 --> 4.8Brooks 1989 5.6 --> 5.1Dickerson 1984 5.6 --> 4.2Simpson 1975 5.5 --> 5.2Simpson 1973 6.0 --> 4.2Harris 1972 5.6 --> 3.7While the second year ypc totals for these players are mostly solid, a lot of Jones-Drew's success will hinge on how many touches he will get in 2007. Fred Taylor is only due $2.5 million next year (his final year on his contract). I don't see Taylor getting released or traded, and IMO Taylor may take a fair amount of the workload away from Jones-Drew.As for RBs that have scored 15 TD in 225 or fewer touches, Jones-Drew is 1 of 6 players to accomplish that since 1970 (note that MBIII did it last year as well). I suspect that getting several long, breakaway TDs is something that is hard to predict and something that usually does not repeat itself from one year to the next (although that one certainly is open for debate). Marion Barber III 2006 158 touches, 16 TDMaurice Jones-Drew 2006 212 touches, 15 TDPriest Holmes 2004 215 touches, 15 TDIckey Woods 1988 224 touches, 15 TDDavid Sims 1978 204 touches, 15 TD Pete Banaszak 1975 197 touches, 16 TD I suspect we will see Jones-Drew see more touches but with a lower ypc and fewer TDs. What they translates to in the rankings is tough to call at this point, but IMO he may fall out of the Top 10 after ranking as the #8 RB this season unless he becomes the primary RB in Jacksonville.

Sure, that's possible, but you have to keep in mind that he wasn't even considered the STARTER for most of the season! Fred Taylor was. That could very well change in 2007, and I don't think it's much of a stretch to think MJD will get an increased workload next season...

 

[Sinrman]

Wow! I just realized that MJD scored a TD (or more) in 12 out of 16 regular season games!

 

[David Yudkin]

My early take on Jones-Drew is that he will be a draft day darling but may be someone who could be a bit of a disappointment.Since 1970, he's one of 10 players to have 150 carries in a season with a 5.5 ypc. Almost all of the others saw a dropoff the following yearortis 2002 5.5 --> 5.5Sanders 1997 6.1 --> 4.3Kaufman 1996 5.8 --> 4.8Sanders 1994 5.7 --> 4.8Brooks 1989 5.6 --> 5.1Dickerson 1984 5.6 --> 4.2Simpson 1975 5.5 --> 5.2Simpson 1973 6.0 --> 4.2Harris 1972 5.6 --> 3.7While the second year ypc totals for these players are mostly solid, a lot of Jones-Drew's success will hinge on how many touches he will get in 2007. Fred Taylor is only due $2.5 million next year (his final year on his contract). I don't see Taylor getting released or traded, and IMO Taylor may take a fair amount of the workload away from Jones-Drew.As for RBs that have scored 15 TD in 225 or fewer touches, Jones-Drew is 1 of 6 players to accomplish that since 1970 (note that MBIII did it last year as well). I suspect that getting several long, breakaway TDs is something that is hard to predict and something that usually does not repeat itself from one year to the next (although that one certainly is open for debate). Marion Barber III 2006 158 touches, 16 TDMaurice Jones-Drew 2006 212 touches, 15 TDPriest Holmes 2004 215 touches, 15 TDIckey Woods 1988 224 touches, 15 TDDavid Sims 1978 204 touches, 15 TD Pete Banaszak 1975 197 touches, 16 TD I suspect we will see Jones-Drew see more touches but with a lower ypc and fewer TDs. What they translates to in the rankings is tough to call at this point, but IMO he may fall out of the Top 10 after ranking as the #8 RB this season unless he becomes the primary RB in Jacksonville.

Sure, that's possible, but you have to keep in mind that he wasn't even considered the STARTER for most of the season! Fred Taylor was. That could very well change in 2007, and I don't think it's much of a stretch to think MJD will get an increased workload next season...

In that case, please provide early projections for MJD. TIA . . .

 

[zamboni]

Figure with Peyton Manning, one is pretty much guaranteed a top 3 finish among fantasy QB's...and Manning gives a damn nice push in the fantasy playoffs. Of course, depending upon your league's scoring system...

Bingo - it's all about the relative value of the QB position.

 

[FTRWRTR]

My early take on Jones-Drew is that he will be a draft day darling but may be someone who could be a bit of a disappointment.Since 1970, he's one of 10 players to have 150 carries in a season with a 5.5 ypc. Almost all of the others saw a dropoff the following yearortis 2002 5.5 --> 5.5Sanders 1997 6.1 --> 4.3Kaufman 1996 5.8 --> 4.8Sanders 1994 5.7 --> 4.8Brooks 1989 5.6 --> 5.1Dickerson 1984 5.6 --> 4.2Simpson 1975 5.5 --> 5.2Simpson 1973 6.0 --> 4.2Harris 1972 5.6 --> 3.7While the second year ypc totals for these players are mostly solid, a lot of Jones-Drew's success will hinge on how many touches he will get in 2007. Fred Taylor is only due $2.5 million next year (his final year on his contract). I don't see Taylor getting released or traded, and IMO Taylor may take a fair amount of the workload away from Jones-Drew.As for RBs that have scored 15 TD in 225 or fewer touches, Jones-Drew is 1 of 6 players to accomplish that since 1970 (note that MBIII did it last year as well). I suspect that getting several long, breakaway TDs is something that is hard to predict and something that usually does not repeat itself from one year to the next (although that one certainly is open for debate). Marion Barber III 2006 158 touches, 16 TDMaurice Jones-Drew 2006 212 touches, 15 TDPriest Holmes 2004 215 touches, 15 TDIckey Woods 1988 224 touches, 15 TDDavid Sims 1978 204 touches, 15 TD Pete Banaszak 1975 197 touches, 16 TD I suspect we will see Jones-Drew see more touches but with a lower ypc and fewer TDs. What they translates to in the rankings is tough to call at this point, but IMO he may fall out of the Top 10 after ranking as the #8 RB this season unless he becomes the primary RB in Jacksonville.

Sure, that's possible, but you have to keep in mind that he wasn't even considered the STARTER for most of the season! Fred Taylor was. That could very well change in 2007, and I don't think it's much of a stretch to think MJD will get an increased workload next season...

Two words: Greg Jones...here's three more words : goal line back. Not only will MJD's touches go down but more importantly the number of TDs he gets will go down significantly. Plus you have to figure with the quality of the wrs in this year's draft jax will shore up their passing game and throw more.

 

[billyjoe]

Two words: Greg Jones...here's three more words : goal line back. Not only will MJD's touches go down but more importantly the number of TDs he gets will go down significantly.

Huh?MJD has more yards, and TDs then Jones does in 3 years, and that was after about 10 games. Who's not to say MJD is a better goal line back? Greg Jones. *lol* If he wasn't on a rookie contract he'd be cut. 3.5 yards per carry. Very impressive.If Duckett (who some claim to be a very good GL back) couldn't sniff the field with Betts starting, who's to say Jones (a questionable GL back, and questionable NFL RB to begin with) will see the field over MJD?Basically you're saying an unproven, oft injured backup RB is going to come in and steal touches from MJD. Huh? Based on? MJD is a better RB, better 1st down RB, better 3rd down RB, better GL RB. And I hope Greg Jones sends you the $5 you get for bringing his name up on the internet.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Yes, I'm sure del rio thinks it makes sense to have a 5'7" 212lbs rb as his goal line rb rather than a 6'1" 255lbs rb

 

[djb916420]

Overrated:

Larry Johnson--wont repeat 450+touches, would u really take him over steven jackson?

Rudi Johnson-Lackluster year yet again, oline troubles, perry might stay healthy for once?

Housh--No way im taking housh over wayne, williams, boldin, colston, should i go on?

Jacobs--Wont even be the featured back next year, am i missing something?

Underrated:

Deangelo---No more foster, easily top 20-30 overall next year.

Mb3--07=more touches=more yds and tds for barber

Wayne--#3 wr in ppr last year, 07=easily wr1 in indy

Roy--until late season, was number 1 overall wr

 

[billyjoe]

Yes, I'm sure del rio thinks it makes sense to have a 5'7" 212lbs rb as his goal line rb rather than a 6'1" 255lbs rb

Why did MJD get the GL duties over Taylor? Weight?I got a 310lb friend who would be a badass GL back according to your talent evaluation skills. MJD is shifty, hard to find, hard to hit, falls forward, runs with power, has great speed. Hmmmm.... Sounds like a good GL back to me. Greg Jones is slow, poor vision, little speed, unable to make anyone miss. Yeah give it to that guy! He sounds awesome!

 

[FTRWRTR]

Overrated:Rudi Johnson-Lackluster year yet again, oline troubles, perry might stay healthy for once?

...I guess three consecutive seasons of at least 1,300 yards rushing and 15 TDs isn't good enough for some ppl

 

[fruity pebbles]

Overrated:Larry Johnson--wont repeat 450+touches, would u really take him over steven jackson?Rudi Johnson-Lackluster year yet again, oline troubles, perry might stay healthy for once?Housh--No way im taking housh over wayne, williams, boldin, colston, should i go on?Jacobs--Wont even be the featured back next year, am i missing something?Underratedeangelo---No more foster, easily top 20-30 overall next year.Mb3--07=more touches=more yds and tds for barberWayne--#3 wr in ppr last year, 07=easily wr1 in indyRoy--until late season, was number 1 overall wr

How do you know Jacobs won't be the featured back? I agree he's too high but as of now with what we know he is.

 

[mozzy84]

Yes, I'm sure del rio thinks it makes sense to have a 5'7" 212lbs rb as his goal line rb rather than a 6'1" 255lbs rb

Why did MJD get the GL duties over Taylor? Weight?I got a 310lb friend who would be a badass GL back according to your talent evaluation skills. MJD is shifty, hard to find, hard to hit, falls forward, runs with power, has great speed. Hmmmm.... Sounds like a good GL back to me. Greg Jones is slow, poor vision, little speed, unable to make anyone miss. Yeah give it to that guy! He sounds awesome!

greg jones was pretty good when he was healthy imo. Easy to bash a guy when he hasn't played for awile.

 

[Liquid Tension]

any list with Manning at #8 is bad. Vince young top 50? maybe he'll finish there, but he's not getting drafted there.I'd like to know what is up with Freddyt before grabbing MJD in round 1, but that might not matter.

FBG's had Manning ranked 9th for VBD in leagues where QB's get 6 per TD and 1 pt every 20 yards (which BTW is the way it shoudl be).Has anyone taken the final year numbers and dropped them into the VBD model and looked at where guys SHOULD have been drafted?FBG's this is something you should do every year as I think it will add great insight.

 

[zamboni]

greg jones was pretty good when he was healthy imo. Easy to bash a guy when he hasn't played for awile.

The fact that he hasn't played for awhile is highly relevant though, as the opportunity granted to MJD has increasingly made Jones less relevant.

 

[QUEZILLA]

My early take on Jones-Drew is that he will be a draft day darling but may be someone who could be a bit of a disappointment.Since 1970, he's one of 10 players to have 150 carries in a season with a 5.5 ypc. Almost all of the others saw a dropoff the following yearortis 2002 5.5 --> 5.5Sanders 1997 6.1 --> 4.3Kaufman 1996 5.8 --> 4.8Sanders 1994 5.7 --> 4.8Brooks 1989 5.6 --> 5.1Dickerson 1984 5.6 --> 4.2Simpson 1975 5.5 --> 5.2Simpson 1973 6.0 --> 4.2Harris 1972 5.6 --> 3.7While the second year ypc totals for these players are mostly solid, a lot of Jones-Drew's success will hinge on how many touches he will get in 2007. Fred Taylor is only due $2.5 million next year (his final year on his contract). I don't see Taylor getting released or traded, and IMO Taylor may take a fair amount of the workload away from Jones-Drew.As for RBs that have scored 15 TD in 225 or fewer touches, Jones-Drew is 1 of 6 players to accomplish that since 1970 (note that MBIII did it last year as well). I suspect that getting several long, breakaway TDs is something that is hard to predict and something that usually does not repeat itself from one year to the next (although that one certainly is open for debate). Marion Barber III 2006 158 touches, 16 TDMaurice Jones-Drew 2006 212 touches, 15 TDPriest Holmes 2004 215 touches, 15 TDIckey Woods 1988 224 touches, 15 TDDavid Sims 1978 204 touches, 15 TD Pete Banaszak 1975 197 touches, 16 TD I suspect we will see Jones-Drew see more touches but with a lower ypc and fewer TDs. What they translates to in the rankings is tough to call at this point, but IMO he may fall out of the Top 10 after ranking as the #8 RB this season unless he becomes the primary RB in Jacksonville.

If Greg Jones comes back strong, I wouldn't be surprised if he split carries. The coaching staff had him at #2 over MJD at the begining of the season, and they did spend a 2nd rounder on him.*ETA* I didn't read the later post, Greg Jones was already mentioned.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Two words: Greg Jones...here's three more words : goal line back. Not only will MJD's touches go down but more importantly the number of TDs he gets will go down significantly.

Huh?MJD has more yards, and TDs then Jones does in 3 years, and that was after about 10 games.

Who's not to say MJD is a better goal line back?

Greg Jones. *lol* If he wasn't on a rookie contract he'd be cut. 3.5 yards per carry. Very impressive.

If Duckett (who some claim to be a very good GL back) couldn't sniff the field with Betts starting, who's to say Jones (a questionable GL back, and questionable NFL RB to begin with) will see the field over MJD?

Basically you're saying an unproven, oft injured backup RB is going to come in and steal touches from MJD. Huh? Based on? MJD is a better RB, better 1st down RB, better 3rd down RB, better GL RB.

And I hope Greg Jones sends you the $5 you get for bringing his name up on the internet.

Greg Jones has been hurt, I don't think it's fair to compare stats with a guy who has been healthy.And a side note, his injuries are unrelated. The same thing that happened to one leg in college happened to ther other this year. He will come back.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Does yahoo know something about the Chicago RB situation that we don't? 41 Cedric Benson, Chi, RB Showed enough to likely garner featured role in '07, and Thomas Jones not even in the top 50

 

[mozzy84]

greg jones was pretty good when he was healthy imo. Easy to bash a guy when he hasn't played for awile.

The fact that he hasn't played for awhile is highly relevant though, as the opportunity granted to MJD has increasingly made Jones less relevant.

I hear that, I just didn't really agree with the other posters take on Greg Jones when he was playing.

 

[Big Score]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the Falcons will have to take a decent cap hit to retain the aging Dunn.

Check this post by whoisjohngalt from the Let's speculate ., Big RB for New Atlanta power offense. thread.

 

[MarcO]

Yes, I'm sure del rio thinks it makes sense to have a 5'7" 212lbs rb as his goal line rb rather than a 6'1" 255lbs rb

Why did MJD get the GL duties over Taylor? Weight?I got a 310lb friend who would be a badass GL back according to your talent evaluation skills. MJD is shifty, hard to find, hard to hit, falls forward, runs with power, has great speed. Hmmmm.... Sounds like a good GL back to me. Greg Jones is slow, poor vision, little speed, unable to make anyone miss. Yeah give it to that guy! He sounds awesome!

Was Jones-Drew the goal-line back or did they just rotate series? It seemed to me that Taylor got goal line opportunities when he was in for that drive and the same with MJD. In fact I think most of MJD's TDs came from outside the 10 yard line if not the 20. BTW - as a Taylor owner in 2005, I seem to recall Jones running very well when he got the chance too. bottom line - too many guys in the backfield for me...

 

[x260bm]

My early take on Jones-Drew is that he will be a draft day darling but may be someone who could be a bit of a disappointment.Since 1970, he's one of 10 players to have 150 carries in a season with a 5.5 ypc. Almost all of the others saw a dropoff the following yearortis 2002 5.5 --> 5.5Sanders 1997 6.1 --> 4.3Kaufman 1996 5.8 --> 4.8Sanders 1994 5.7 --> 4.8Brooks 1989 5.6 --> 5.1Dickerson 1984 5.6 --> 4.2Simpson 1975 5.5 --> 5.2Simpson 1973 6.0 --> 4.2Harris 1972 5.6 --> 3.7While the second year ypc totals for these players are mostly solid, a lot of Jones-Drew's success will hinge on how many touches he will get in 2007. Fred Taylor is only due $2.5 million next year (his final year on his contract). I don't see Taylor getting released or traded, and IMO Taylor may take a fair amount of the workload away from Jones-Drew.As for RBs that have scored 15 TD in 225 or fewer touches, Jones-Drew is 1 of 6 players to accomplish that since 1970 (note that MBIII did it last year as well). I suspect that getting several long, breakaway TDs is something that is hard to predict and something that usually does not repeat itself from one year to the next (although that one certainly is open for debate). Marion Barber III 2006 158 touches, 16 TDMaurice Jones-Drew 2006 212 touches, 15 TDPriest Holmes 2004 215 touches, 15 TDIckey Woods 1988 224 touches, 15 TDDavid Sims 1978 204 touches, 15 TD Pete Banaszak 1975 197 touches, 16 TD I suspect we will see Jones-Drew see more touches but with a lower ypc and fewer TDs. What they translates to in the rankings is tough to call at this point, but IMO he may fall out of the Top 10 after ranking as the #8 RB this season unless he becomes the primary RB in Jacksonville.

I don’t understand your argument here. You just compared him to Clinton Portis, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, Franco Harris, and OJ Simpson and that is supposed to be a negative? I think you may be taking the YPC out of context. As for the TDs, 3 of the 4 players listed were goal-line backs. MJD is not comparable to someone who is 6-3 240. The other is Holmes in an injury shortened year.

 

[EBF]

Brandon Jacobs looks like he's going to be one of the most overrated players of 2007. Yikes. Sell sell sell if you have him in dynasty. Your window might be closing with the draft coming up.

I wouldn't take Addai at #9. No way. He had a good year and is in a good position to perform, but that's just too early.

DeAngelo and Cadillac look to be reasonably priced compared to the other RBs. I also think the Tennessee RB situation might offer nice value.

I don't see any major problems with the WR rankings. Owens is overrated. He seems to be on the slide. Lee Evans is a little low. He is money.

 

[beto]

I wouldn't take Addai at #9. No way. He had a good year and is in a good position to perform, but that's just too early.

My problem is trying to justify taking someone over him. He is solidly in the 9-12 range for me.

 

[EBF]

I wouldn't take Addai at #9. No way. He had a good year and is in a good position to perform, but that's just too early.

My problem is trying to justify taking someone over him. He is solidly in the 9-12 range for me.

You make a good point. Ronnie Brown, Maurice Drew, Brandon Jacobs, Clinton Portis, Laurence Maroney, and Chester Taylor aren't exactly money in the bank at this point. I'd probably pass on RB in that range and look at Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kevin Jones, DeAngelo Williams, or Travis Henry/LenDale White combo later in the draft.

 

[Blackjacks]

Too High

4 Shaun Alexander, Sea, RB Last 6 games: 5 TDs, 672 rushing yards, 4.0 ypc

5 Frank Gore, SF, RB 9 100-yard games; Offense should improve in '07

6 Willie Parker, Pit, RB Off the Bus: Set Steelers record with 16 TDs

9 Joseph Addai, Ind, RB After far outplaying Rhodes, should be go-to in '07

11 Maurice Jones-Drew, Jac, RB 6.5 yards per touch; Many more touches coming in '07

14 Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB 16 TDs in 134 career attempts; Should see 200+ in '07

26 T.J. Houshmandzadeh,Cin,WR 20 TDs in past 34 regular-season games

32 Marques Colston, NO, WR May have a better '07 but less Yahoo! value sans TE

34 Edgerrin James, Ari, RB Encouraging development: Top15 RB in final 5 weeks

41 Cedric Benson, Chi, RB Showed enough to likely garner featured role in '07

44 Hines Ward, Pit, WR 975 yds, 6 TDs despite persistent health woes

To Low

10 Rudi Johnson, Cin, RB 12 TDs in 3 straight seasons, but just 3.8 ypc in '06

15 Clinton Portis, Was, RB Betts' success has brought trade, platoon concerns

24 Larry Fitzgerald, Ari, WR Closed with a TD in 4 of his last 5 games

27 Reggie Wayne, Ind, WR 3-year average: 82 catches, 1,192 yds, 9 TDs

29 Roy Williams, Det, WR 1,310 yds, 7 TDs was solid, but below my expectations

30 Anquan Boldin, Ari, WR 4 TDs likely to bring draft discount in '07 - I'll take it

36 Willis McGahee, Buf, RB TD dry spell ended w/ 5 TDs in final 6 games

3

38 Deuce McAllister, NO, RB Repeat #'s (1,057 yds, 10 TDs) in '07 wouldn't surprise

45 Michael Vick, Atl, QB Think of him as a 1,000-yard RB w/ 20 TD pass bonus

46 Marc Bulger, StL, QB 95 TD passes in 60 career games (24 in '06)

47 Carnell Williams, TB, RB Worth gamble this late that health, Bucs will rebound

48 DeAngelo Williams, Car, RB DeShaun's lackluster '06 opens big door for DeLo

50 Vince Young, Ten, QB Big upside could yield 20 TD passes, 10 TD runs in '07

 

[ILUVBEER99]

14 Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB 16 TDs in 134 career attempts; Should see 200+ in '07

This has to be some kind of mistake. Are these rankings based on TD's only or something?A 6'4" 260 lb straight line RB is not going to be featured by any team in todays NFL. He'll never go into the season expected to get feature RB type touches.I usually never really think someone's rankings are too absurb, but there is no logical basis to rank Jacobs the 14th best fantasy player in the NFL. Possibly the worst ranking i've ever seen.

 

[kevthegrad]

Laveraneous Coles doesn't crack top 50???

 

[Val Rannous]

14 Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB 16 TDs in 134 career attempts; Should see 200+ in '07

This has to be some kind of mistake. Are these rankings based on TD's only or something?A 6'4" 260 lb straight line RB is not going to be featured by any team in todays NFL. He'll never go into the season expected to get feature RB type touches.I usually never really think someone's rankings are too absurb, but there is no logical basis to rank Jacobs the 14th best fantasy player in the NFL. Possibly the worst ranking i've ever seen.

I agree, but NY fans/sportcasters always inflate the numbers of anybody playing in that town.

 

[fruity pebbles]

14 Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB 16 TDs in 134 career attempts; Should see 200+ in '07

This has to be some kind of mistake. Are these rankings based on TD's only or something?A 6'4" 260 lb straight line RB is not going to be featured by any team in todays NFL. He'll never go into the season expected to get feature RB type touches.I usually never really think someone's rankings are too absurb, but there is no logical basis to rank Jacobs the 14th best fantasy player in the NFL. Possibly the worst ranking i've ever seen.

I don't think he necessarily has to be the featured back to warrant this ranking. If he gets 200 carries, which is a very real possibility, his numbers would project out to a borderline top 10 finish based on this year's RB final rankings.

 

[EBF]

14 Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB 16 TDs in 134 career attempts; Should see 200+ in '07

This has to be some kind of mistake. Are these rankings based on TD's only or something?A 6'4" 260 lb straight line RB is not going to be featured by any team in todays NFL. He'll never go into the season expected to get feature RB type touches.I usually never really think someone's rankings are too absurb, but there is no logical basis to rank Jacobs the 14th best fantasy player in the NFL. Possibly the worst ranking i've ever seen.

I don't think he necessarily has to be the featured back to warrant this ranking. If he gets 200 carries, which is a very real possibility, his numbers would project out to a borderline top 10 finish based on this year's RB final rankings.

The only problem with this thinking is that he might not get so many TD opportunities without Tiki's help. I just can't see taking a glorified vulture in the top 15. I also fully expect the Giants to use a first day draft pick on a RB or sign a free agent, which would further lower Jacobs' value.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

14 Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB 16 TDs in 134 career attempts; Should see 200+ in '07

This has to be some kind of mistake. Are these rankings based on TD's only or something?A 6'4" 260 lb straight line RB is not going to be featured by any team in todays NFL. He'll never go into the season expected to get feature RB type touches.I usually never really think someone's rankings are too absurb, but there is no logical basis to rank Jacobs the 14th best fantasy player in the NFL. Possibly the worst ranking i've ever seen.

I don't think he necessarily has to be the featured back to warrant this ranking. If he gets 200 carries, which is a very real possibility, his numbers would project out to a borderline top 10 finish based on this year's RB final rankings.

While 200 touches for him is possible, it is still absurd to rank someone expected to get that amount of touches as a top 15 fantasy player.Yes, it occasionally happens that a guy with such limited touches will put up a big fantasy season, but it is very rare and shouldn't be counted on.

 

[fruity pebbles]

14 Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB 16 TDs in 134 career attempts; Should see 200+ in '07

This has to be some kind of mistake. Are these rankings based on TD's only or something?A 6'4" 260 lb straight line RB is not going to be featured by any team in todays NFL. He'll never go into the season expected to get feature RB type touches.I usually never really think someone's rankings are too absurb, but there is no logical basis to rank Jacobs the 14th best fantasy player in the NFL. Possibly the worst ranking i've ever seen.

I don't think he necessarily has to be the featured back to warrant this ranking. If he gets 200 carries, which is a very real possibility, his numbers would project out to a borderline top 10 finish based on this year's RB final rankings.

While 200 touches for him is possible, it is still absurd to rank someone expected to get that amount of touches as a top 15 fantasy player.Yes, it occasionally happens that a guy with such limited touches will put up a big fantasy season, but it is very rare and shouldn't be counted on.

I disagree for the simple fact that he's guaranteed to be the goalline back and a good one at that. 10-12 TDs is almost a lock if he gets 200 carries IMO and it could be even more than that. With 200 carries, I could honestly see 900 yards and another couple hundred receiving. Add in the 70 odd points from TDs and I think he's scoring around 180-185 points.

 

[David Yudkin]

14 Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB 16 TDs in 134 career attempts; Should see 200+ in '07

This has to be some kind of mistake. Are these rankings based on TD's only or something?A 6'4" 260 lb straight line RB is not going to be featured by any team in todays NFL. He'll never go into the season expected to get feature RB type touches.I usually never really think someone's rankings are too absurb, but there is no logical basis to rank Jacobs the 14th best fantasy player in the NFL. Possibly the worst ranking i've ever seen.

I don't think he necessarily has to be the featured back to warrant this ranking. If he gets 200 carries, which is a very real possibility, his numbers would project out to a borderline top 10 finish based on this year's RB final rankings.

While 200 touches for him is possible, it is still absurd to rank someone expected to get that amount of touches as a top 15 fantasy player.Yes, it occasionally happens that a guy with such limited touches will put up a big fantasy season, but it is very rare and shouldn't be counted on.

We can only debate what we know and hypothosize on what we don't know. We do know that Jacobs touched the ball 107 times in 2006. And we do now that Tiki Barber touched it 385 times. And Barber's touches are now up for grabs.There is no other RB on the Giants' roster that touched the ball more than 10 times this past season. While it may be off-base, IMO we have to assume that Jacobs will get a decent share of Tiki's touches in 2007. New York may very likely add another RB between now and September, whether it be by draft, trade, or free agent signing.Bear in mind that the Barber/Jacobs pairing touched the ball almost 500 times last year. Even if Jacobs got only HALF of those, he'd still get around 250 (assuming that the Giants utlizing their RB as much as they did in the past).We certainly have no idea what the master plan for the Giants is, but for now I don't have a problem projecting Jacobs to get 250 touches in the year. If it looks like he will be the clear starter heading into the season, I think he would be getting drafted as a Top 10 back.

 

[snorlax]

One important thing to remember here, standard Yahoo! scoring:

passing: 1 pt/50 yards, 6 pt/TD

rushing/receiving: 1 pt/20 yards, 6 pt/TD

 

[aldelgreco]

14 Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB 16 TDs in 134 career attempts; Should see 200+ in '07

This has to be some kind of mistake. Are these rankings based on TD's only or something?A 6'4" 260 lb straight line RB is not going to be featured by any team in todays NFL. He'll never go into the season expected to get feature RB type touches.I usually never really think someone's rankings are too absurb, but there is no logical basis to rank Jacobs the 14th best fantasy player in the NFL. Possibly the worst ranking i've ever seen.

I agree that it is a garbage ranking for jacobs, but (in general) funston is a pretty knowledgeable source for FF. He wouldn't be spewing some TD-only BS. His job is to be a fantasy guru. he knows how people generally play in standard leagues.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

any list with Manning at #8 is bad. Vince young top 50? maybe he'll finish there, but he's not getting drafted there.I'd like to know what is up with Freddyt before grabbing MJD in round 1, but that might not matter.

FBG's had Manning ranked 9th for VBD in leagues where QB's get 6 per TD and 1 pt every 20 yards (which BTW is the way it shoudl be).Has anyone taken the final year numbers and dropped them into the VBD model and looked at where guys SHOULD have been drafted?FBG's this is something you should do every year as I think it will add great insight.

you really going to take Manning in the first round?? GLgranted the scoring system you posted is heavy QB, still round 1 QB is never a good strategy IMO, unless you start 2.

 

[aldelgreco]

here is the link to the second one. no major changes as far as I can tell.

http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/analysis/ne...gue=fantasy/nfl

 

[Construction Man Jim]

I think Jacobs ranking may actually be too low. We'll see how the off season plays out but I believe he'll end up getting the majority of the Giants' RB touches next season (250-300).

I don't see the Giants taking a RB high in the draft. Even if Marshawn Lynch fell to them at 20 they still have more pressing needs on defense (S, LB, CB) and other positions on offense (WR especially). I think it's more likely that they add a veteran via free agency (Ahman Green, Dominic Rhodes) or a complimentary, change of pace type after the first couple rounds. Lorenzo Booker, for example, would be ideal if he's still there in the third (but that's not gonna happen if Sigmund and Cecil don't shut up about him)...

Regardless, I don't see any of the potential options beating Jacobs in a training camp battle and/ or taking more than 150 carries away from him.

 

[David Yudkin]

I think Jacobs ranking may actually be too low. We'll see how the off season plays out but I believe he'll end up getting the majority of the Giants' RB touches next season (250-300). I don't see the Giants taking a RB high in the draft. Even if Marshawn Lynch fell to them at 20 they still have more pressing needs on defense (S, LB, CB) and other positions on offense (WR especially). I think it's more likely that they add a veteran via free agency (Ahman Green, Dominic Rhodes) or a complimentary, change of pace type after the first couple rounds. Lorenzo Booker, for example, would be ideal if he's still there in the third (but that's not gonna happen if Sigmund and Cecil don't shut up about him)...Regardless, I don't see any of the potential options beating Jacobs in a training camp battle and/ or taking more than 150 carries away from him.

Would your opinion change anyif they traded for Turner? There have been minor rumblings to that effect.

 

[H.K.]

While 200 touches for him is possible, it is still absurd to rank someone expected to get that amount of touches as a top 15 fantasy player.

Yes, it occasionally happens that a guy with such limited touches will put up a big fantasy season, but it is very rare and shouldn't be counted on.

I disagree for the simple fact that he's guaranteed to be the goalline back and a good one at that. 10-12 TDs is almost a lock if he gets 200 carries IMO and it could be even more than that. With 200 carries, I could honestly see 900 yards and another couple hundred receiving. Add in the 70 odd points from TDs and I think he's scoring around 180-185 points.

Mr. Pebbles and I talked about this in the Giants RB thread.Deuce McAllister was a top 10 RB in standard scoring this year. He had ~ 1200 YFS & 10 TD's. Jacobs is in a position to have a similar season IF he gets over that magical 200 carry number.

IMHO Jacobs is ranked too high at the moment, but assuming AP & Lynch are gone (as expected) by the time the Giants pick, a first round NYG RB selection is probably not going to happen.

The talent pool at RB drops off pretty quickly, therefore the Giants should add a lesser RB in the later rounds & bring in a FA RB simply because they lack depth.

The important thing is that Coughlin is still in charge, and he liked to use Jacobs a certain way, and Reese being promoted internally as GM could mean even more stability for Jacobs. Barber's departure leaves a 385 touch hole for someone to fill, and if Jacobs can get roughly half of it on top of his previous work load and GL duty, he's in line to be top 10 in this scoring system.

 

[David Yudkin]

While 200 touches for him is possible, it is still absurd to rank someone expected to get that amount of touches as a top 15 fantasy player.

Yes, it occasionally happens that a guy with such limited touches will put up a big fantasy season, but it is very rare and shouldn't be counted on.

I disagree for the simple fact that he's guaranteed to be the goalline back and a good one at that. 10-12 TDs is almost a lock if he gets 200 carries IMO and it could be even more than that. With 200 carries, I could honestly see 900 yards and another couple hundred receiving. Add in the 70 odd points from TDs and I think he's scoring around 180-185 points.

Mr. Pebbles and I talked about this in the Giants RB thread.Deuce McAllister was a top 10 RB in standard scoring this year. He had ~ 1200 YFS & 10 TD's. Jacobs is in a position to have a similar season IF he gets over that magical 200 carry number.

IMHO Jacobs is ranked too high at the moment, but assuming AP & Lynch are gone (as expected) by the time the Giants pick, a first round NYG RB selection is probably not going to happen.

The talent pool at RB drops off pretty quickly, therefore the Giants should add a lesser RB in the later rounds & bring in a FA RB simply because they lack depth.

The important thing is that Coughlin is still in charge, and he liked to use Jacobs a certain way, and Reese being promoted internally as GM could mean even more stability for Jacobs. Barber's departure leaves a 385 touch hole for someone to fill, and if Jacobs can get roughly half of it on top of his previous work load and GL duty, he's in line to be top 10 in this scoring system.

As discussed in other threads, you and I pretty much agree on this one, but I will say that the loss of Barber will likely have a negative impact on the Giants offense overall. So I suspect the Giants rushing attempts, yardage, and TDs will drop. That could (should?) mean that Jacobs will not see as many goal line carries should there be fewer goal line carries to participate in. Their rushing TD totals have dipped the passed few years and one year they only had a modest 6 rushing TD.

 

[H.K.]

Would your opinion change anyif they traded for Turner? There have been minor rumblings to that effect.

Jacobs would be worth even less this season than in years past if that happened IMO.

 

[lord_helmet]

Finally Housh gets some love, maybe next year he won't be so underrated. Which is not a good thing