Yahoo Tiebreakers (1 Viewer)

[Ironman2131]

This is basically a vent, but I'm curious if others have been in similar situations. I'm in a local league (run on Yahoo) among people working out of the same co-working site (very friendly, not competitive at all, but $50 per person). I was the highest scoring team in the league (60 points more than 2nd, 140 more than 3rd, and 300+ ahead of anyone else), but through some bad matchup luck I only finished 7-6 and was the #5 seed.

In the first round of the playoffs I had the highest score of our season, and the #6 seed also won, but our league doesn't reseed in the 2nd round because everything is pretty much set to the Yahoo default other than the positions (ours has a superflex position). I think this is stupid and bring it up to the commissioner, but he fell back on it being easier to go with the default. So this week me and the second highest scoring, #1 seed match up, and #6 played (and beat) #2.

Because our league doesn't use decimal scoring (another complaint of mine), there's a decent chance for a tie, and as it happens, my semifinal matchup with the #1 seed ended up in a tie after he got the fourth extra point from Graham after the Saints had a short field in the last couple of minutes.

Looking around the Internet, it seems that Yahoo resolves playoff ties by going back to head-to-head during the regular season, then playoff seed. Either way I lose, but it seems really strange to me to decide this based on a regular season result rather than something more relevant, like bench points, highest bench scorer, or even regular season points. Not sure if we'll follow the same tiebreakers, but I highly doubt anything was changed, so if that's the default, that's what we'll use.

Okay, done venting. Has anyone had a similar situation, either in a Yahoo league or another league, where a playoff result was decided by the regular season results? It's almost like he's being rewarded for a non-existent home field advantage, but there's no other situation where this would come into play.

 

[TheBottomLine]

In both of my dynasty leagues, if two teams were to tie in the playoffs, the first tie-breaker would be head-to-head record. I understand wanting the tie-breaker to be total points, but if the league is head-to-head, I don't see why you wouldn't reward the team that wins head-to-head.

 

[Ironman2131]

Because head-to-head is fairly random. If we had played every week I would have gone 7-5-1 against this team. He just happened to play me in one of the five weeks he outscored me out of 13.

I think the real issues are the fact we don't use decimal scoring or reseed for the playoffs. Both changes make complete sense and would have just taken one mouse click to change.

Also, I'm annoyed that I'm not going to win a league where my core team is Luck, Murray, Forsett, Calvin, Beckham, Hilton, and Wilson (superflex league) and I outscored most of the teams by 300 points (the team that beat me as the #1 seed was the only one within 130 points of my total).

 

[habsfan]

Choosing to reseed or not isn't something I feel strongly about one way or the other but if your commish can't be bothered to toggle fractional points on when they're setting the league up in June, maybe they're not invested enough in this to be the commish?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Either way I lose, but it seems really strange to me to decide this based on a regular season result rather than something more relevant, like bench points, highest bench scorer, or even regular season points.

In what way are bench points a relevant tiebreaker? That's arguably a worse idea than using regular season head-to-head record.

In any case, it's a friendly league among coworkers. Let it go.

 

[sneakerfreak]

Because head-to-head is fairly random. If we had played every week I would have gone 7-5-1 against this team. He just happened to play me in one of the five weeks he outscored me out of 13.

I think the real issues are the fact we don't use decimal scoring or reseed for the playoffs. Both changes make complete sense and would have just taken one mouse click to change.

Also, I'm annoyed that I'm not going to win a league where my core team is Luck, Murray, Forsett, Calvin, Beckham, Hilton, and Wilson (superflex league) and I outscored most of the teams by 300 points (the team that beat me as the #1 seed was the only one within 130 points of my total).

I understand you're annoyed that you didn't win the league when you were the highest scoring team but this happens all the time in H2H. Heck, I can't even remember when the highest scoring team in any of my H2H leagues won the title. I had Peyton Manning last season and was crushing all competition in the regular season but totally crashed in the playoffs.

I think the H2H regular season tiebreaker makes a lot of sense since it is a H2H league after all (and a 7-5-1 record against him isn't exactly dominating either).

Reseeding doesn't change anything in my book. How teams perform during the regular season and in the playoff are two very different things. Injuries, resting players, Manning sucking balls, all these things always happen during playoffs and so who ends up standing with the trophy seems like a crapshoot. It just happens to influence your particular scenario this season but wouldn't necessarily benefit you next season. I had the exact opposite experience this season. I didn't expect reseeding in the playoffs and got a much stronger opponent because of the reseeding.

Decimal scoring would definitely solve the tiebreaker issue. I don't see any drawbacks to decimal scoring so maybe you should try to convince the commish once more on this for next season?

 

[RUSF18]

 

[mr roboto]

Either way I lose, but it seems really strange to me to decide this based on a regular season result rather than something more relevant, like bench points, highest bench scorer, or even regular season points.

In what way are bench points a relevant tiebreaker? That's arguably a worse idea than using regular season head-to-head record.In any case, it's a friendly league among coworkers. Let it go.

Bench points indicate who has the better roster. What's completely irrelevant is h2h during the season. Talk about random.

 

[Oscar]

I lost last year in the Semi's as a result of not re-seeding. We changed the rule this year but all of these types of issues need to be addressed at the beginning of the season. If they aren't, and you utilize the Yahoo settings, you are just as much at fault as the others in your league.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Bench points indicate who has the better roster. What's completely irrelevant is h2h during the season. Talk about random.

On the contrary, bench points are totally irrelevant. They're never used for anything, ever. Leading up to the playoffs, an astute owner may trade away depth to strengthen his starting lineup, drop a QB to stash a defense for a specific playoff matchup, etc. Suddenly counting how many points your bench scores doesn't make any sense.

Random != irrelevant. Regular season H2H has a large element of randomness to it. So does playoff H2H, and lots of other things. In terms of breaking a playoff tie in pretend football, regular season H2H is at least as reasonable as many other options. It's certainly not irrelevant.

 

[MattFancy]

Have the same issue in an ESPN league. Ended in a tie after last night's Cutler garbage TD. As of now barring stat corrections, I move on since I'm the higher seed (default ESPN tiebreaker). Seems kinda lame, but I'm not sure what the best way to break a playoff tie is. H2H is random because who knows the situations of that week, maybe one team had their whole team on a bye. Bench points are dumb because people in the playoffs usually carry handcuffs and DSTs on their bench moreso than lots of quality depth. Maybe total points on the season? I dunno.

 

[Dismattle]

Heres something to ponder for a bit

I finished 9-4 (undefeated in my Div) w/ 3,220 points.

The Team I just beat in the semi-Finals (same Div)was also 9-4, but scored 3,464 points during the Season..

So anyway, I beat them during the reg Season (263.47- 206.96), and then again this week. (339.55 - 221.94)

Basically imho a Win is a Win.

But heres the Kicker posted via YaHoo:

What If

• Smoky would be 5-9 if they played "High Score" every week.
• Smoky would have been undefeated if they played every team in the league this week.
• If they played the same schedule as "High Score", Smoky would be 7-5.
• Smoky would be 100-54 if they played every team every week.
• If they played the same schedule as Smoky, "High Score" would be 10-2.
• If they played every team every week, High Score" would be 119-42.

p.s. fwiw I had one bad week during the reg Season (170 points total) actually maybe two bad weeks. But one of my loss's was like 306-296, while another was 300-250.

Im also pretty sure I left some points on the BN at times too. However BN points seam odd to consider any value, because how much credit do we deserve for adding a player.

Id say who we decide to start is whats important. Its also worth considering such things as players who are Out. "High Score" started Anthony Barr who was Out.. Why should High Score receive any credit for having a sub who wasn't used

http://youtu.be/pB-bN-RkJLM?t=35s

 

[Ironman2131]

I asked for decimal scoring before the season, was told he would change it, and then he didn't. Oh well. I'm not going to sweat it too much at this point, it's just that I was hoping a win in this league would put me positive for the year.

Anyway, it was helpful to be able to vent with my post last night. The team I "lost" to is pretty good and should win the title (the other finals team has Bell, Dez, Gronk, and pretty much nothing else). And hopefully I win this week and at least take 3rd place.

Oh, and I just ran the numbers and I'd have lost by about one point in decimal scoring. I'd still be bummed out that I lost on Graham's extra point in the last two minutes, but at least I couldn't complain about the tiebreaker rules.