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The New York Yankees have acquired center fielder-first baseman Nick Swisher in a trade with the Chicago White Sox, baseball sources tell ESPN.com.Minor league pitcher Jeff Marquez is headed to Chicago in the deal, the source said. It's uncertain if any other players are involved.Swisher, 27, hit .219 with 24 home runs in 153 games with Chicago this season.
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Holy cow holy cow!!!!!!!! We got a 1B finally!
The Yankees have acquired first baseman Nick Swisher and Class AA right-hander Kanekoa Texeira from the White Sox, according to major-league sources.Swisher, a switch-hitter, likely will play first base for the Yankees, replacing Jason Giambi, who is a free agent.The exact players going back to the White Sox are not yet known, but sources say the White Sox will be receiving two minor leaguers and one major-league reserve. ESPN.com is reporting that Yankees Class AAA right-hander Jeff Marquez is in the deal.
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The rumored Yanks in the deal are now Nunez?, Marquez, and Betemit
 
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Yeesh.

Swish's stock has collapsed worse than Ford apparently.

 
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Is he any good defensively? In CF or at 1B? The last thing the Yankees need is another corner OF who is also a crappy 1B and really belongs at DH (Matsui, Damon)

 
Good defensive first baseman and corner OF. Not the range you would like in CF but adequate to back up CF occasionally or if you had speedy corner OF's.

Edit to ask if the pitcher the White Sox get in return is any good?

 
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Bluesbomber said:
Good defensive first baseman and corner OF. Not the range you would like in CF but adequate to back up CF occasionally or if you had speedy corner OF's. Edit to ask if the pitcher the White Sox get in return is any good?
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His upside is a #4 or #5 pitcher. Pretty low on the list of Yankee prospects. He had some buzz last year but hes nothing special.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
jfranco77 said:
Is he any good defensively? In CF or at 1B? The last thing the Yankees need is another corner OF who is also a crappy 1B and really belongs at DH (Matsui, Damon)
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He's gotta be better than GiambiPretty affordable also; only like 5 mil a year or so
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Hes an above average fielder. And hitting wise hes comparable to Giambi, low BA, high walks, good power, more athletic and younger and wont get hurt and sweat all the time.
 
Guy had the worst BA in the majors last year. Not that that's worth a lot, but it warrants mentioning. Maybe last year was the outlier, as he had two decent to good years before that.

He's certainly not a plus defender by any stretch. He's just a body in the field.

 
If I'm the Sox I'm excited to see what Betemit can do everyday in that ballpark. Not sure if this is the plan, of course. Just sayin.

 
Mookie Blaylock said:
If I'm the Sox I'm excited to see what Betemit can do everyday in that ballpark. Not sure if this is the plan, of course. Just sayin.
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He very well could be their everyday 3B. They can't afford to sink another dime into 90 games of Crede, Josh Fields looks like a bust and Juan Uribe is the anti-christ.
 
Capella said:
Guy had the worst BA in the majors last year. Not that that's worth a lot, but it warrants mentioning. Maybe last year was the outlier, as he had two decent to good years before that.He's certainly not a plus defender by any stretch. He's just a body in the field.
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As just a body he's still an upgrade over what we had
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Capella said:
Guy had the worst BA in the majors last year. Not that that's worth a lot, but it warrants mentioning. Maybe last year was the outlier, as he had two decent to good years before that.

He's certainly not a plus defender by any stretch. He's just a body in the field.
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As just a body he's still an upgrade over what we had
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Hey, having a better OBP version of Steve Balboni at 1st isn't terrible.
 
27 year-old switch hitting 1B that can play all 3 OF positions if needed. And we got him for Betemit and 2 guys you've never heard of?!? I'll take it!!

I guess we are saving $20million/year instead of signing Tex?!?

 
Tremendous Upside said:
Capella said:
Guy had the worst BA in the majors last year. Not that that's worth a lot, but it warrants mentioning. Maybe last year was the outlier, as he had two decent to good years before that.He's certainly not a plus defender by any stretch. He's just a body in the field.
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As just a body he's still an upgrade over what we had
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Sure, but I can't imagine that's what the Yankees were striving for.
 
Capella said:
Guy had the worst BA in the majors last year. Not that that's worth a lot, but it warrants mentioning. Maybe last year was the outlier, as he had two decent to good years before that.He's certainly not a plus defender by any stretch. He's just a body in the field.
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Yea but his BABIP was REALLY low last year (I can't find the stats, but I remember reading it). So it's likely the BA will rebound next year, which will of course move up his OBP.He's a good, solid player.
 
Capella said:
Tremendous Upside said:
Capella said:
Guy had the worst BA in the majors last year. Not that that's worth a lot, but it warrants mentioning. Maybe last year was the outlier, as he had two decent to good years before that.He's certainly not a plus defender by any stretch. He's just a body in the field.
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As just a body he's still an upgrade over what we had
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Sure, but I can't imagine that's what the Yankees were striving for.
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What other option was there at 1B? I seriously doubt they wouldve ever went after Tex
 
jfranco77 said:
Is he any good defensively? In CF or at 1B? The last thing the Yankees need is another corner OF who is also a crappy 1B and really belongs at DH (Matsui, Damon)
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He played very good 1B for the White Sox, but didn't get a lot of time there with Paul Konerko and Jim Thome (at DH). It was a log jam for the White Sox. He wasn't going to play CF next year either, they aren't going to be able to move Konerko, and it's hard to justify keeping this guy around with his .220 average. Plus, the Yankees are picking up his salary...
 
Here's what keith law had to say. He's a bit smarmy, but I think he's the best analyst out there:

The Yankees may not get much of a return out of Nick Swisher, but there's a chance that they got a good offensive player, while the White Sox get rid of Swisher but don't get anything valuable in return for their trouble. Swisher is coming off of a horrific year, looking slow and even apathetic, almost as if his patience at the plate was the result of indifference rather than a desire to work the count. He can still run into a ball if a pitcher makes a mistake, but his bat was slow and he would foul off average fastballs and miss plus heat entirely. Mike Lowell had a year like that (without the apathy) before coming to the Red Sox and rebounded completely; Andruw Jones had a year like that (with the apathy and some extra pounds) and slid further into the abyss. It's a gamble for the Yankees, but with the upside that they get an average to above-average bat at first base or in left field if it works out, and the cost in players and money (Swisher is owed $26 million through 2011) is not that great to them. The throw-in coming to the Yanks, Kanekoa Texeira, is a classic sinker/slider reliever, with his slider being a potential out pitch, but with below-average command. Even if the command doesn't improve, he'll pitch in the big leagues, and has a chance to be a late-innings guy if it does improve because he already misses bats and keeps the ball in the park. Of course, the ultimate question here for the Yankees is whether it pushes them out of the Mark Teixeira market, or is simply a backup plan/leverage play to keep the price down on Teixeira by removing their own incentive to overpay for him. The Yanks could still sign Teixeira and play Swisher in left, benching Hideki Matsui (often hurt and not very good when he plays) or just give him away to anyone willing to pay the postage, and it seems a lot more likely that they'd do that than stand pat with Swisher at first and Matsui in left, a combination that could easily leave the Yanks with below-average bats at three or four positions if they don't also upgrade in center field. The White Sox get … well, it's hard to see what they saw in this package of players. Wilson Betemit can fill in at several positions, but his plate discipline is poor and he can't hit left-handers at all; he's a fair utility player, but barring an age-27 power surge or a sudden interest in playing defense, that's all. Right-hander Jeff Marquez has to be one of the most overhyped Yankee prospects in recent memory; he's ordinary, with an average fastball that has some sink and an inconsistent but occasionally above-average split-change, but limited feel for pitching. He could be a middle reliever, especially if he stops throwing his mediocre curve, but that's probably it, and he doesn't have anything to miss bats. (Of course, the White Sox will immediately teach him a cutter, so stay tuned.) Right-hander Jhonny Nunez also profiles as a middle reliever, with a little more fastball than Marquez has and a tighter slider, but below average command and control and a longish arm action that may make command difficult for him. The White Sox gave up Gio Gonzalez, Faustino de los Santos, Ryan Sweeney and $3.5 million, and their return is one year of Swisher plus Betemit, Marquez and Nunez. That's an impressive run of trading down in value.
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Tremendous Upside said:
jfranco77 said:
Is he any good defensively? In CF or at 1B? The last thing the Yankees need is another corner OF who is also a crappy 1B and really belongs at DH (Matsui, Damon)
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He's gotta be better than GiambiPretty affordable also; only like 5 mil a year or so
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Meh...Giambi's year last year was better than anything Swisher's ever done. This screams to me that they don't think they're a lock to sign Teixeira and that they're letting Abreu walk though I doubt this is their last move.
 
Capella said:
Here's what keith law had to say. He's a bit smarmy, but I think he's the best analyst out there:

The Yankees may not get much of a return out of Nick Swisher, but there's a chance that they got a good offensive player, while the White Sox get rid of Swisher but don't get anything valuable in return for their trouble. Swisher is coming off of a horrific year, looking slow and even apathetic, almost as if his patience at the plate was the result of indifference rather than a desire to work the count. He can still run into a ball if a pitcher makes a mistake, but his bat was slow and he would foul off average fastballs and miss plus heat entirely. Mike Lowell had a year like that (without the apathy) before coming to the Red Sox and rebounded completely; Andruw Jones had a year like that (with the apathy and some extra pounds) and slid further into the abyss. It's a gamble for the Yankees, but with the upside that they get an average to above-average bat at first base or in left field if it works out, and the cost in players and money (Swisher is owed $26 million through 2011) is not that great to them. The throw-in coming to the Yanks, Kanekoa Texeira, is a classic sinker/slider reliever, with his slider being a potential out pitch, but with below-average command. Even if the command doesn't improve, he'll pitch in the big leagues, and has a chance to be a late-innings guy if it does improve because he already misses bats and keeps the ball in the park. Of course, the ultimate question here for the Yankees is whether it pushes them out of the Mark Teixeira market, or is simply a backup plan/leverage play to keep the price down on Teixeira by removing their own incentive to overpay for him. The Yanks could still sign Teixeira and play Swisher in left, benching Hideki Matsui (often hurt and not very good when he plays) or just give him away to anyone willing to pay the postage, and it seems a lot more likely that they'd do that than stand pat with Swisher at first and Matsui in left, a combination that could easily leave the Yanks with below-average bats at three or four positions if they don't also upgrade in center field. The White Sox get … well, it's hard to see what they saw in this package of players. Wilson Betemit can fill in at several positions, but his plate discipline is poor and he can't hit left-handers at all; he's a fair utility player, but barring an age-27 power surge or a sudden interest in playing defense, that's all. Right-hander Jeff Marquez has to be one of the most overhyped Yankee prospects in recent memory; he's ordinary, with an average fastball that has some sink and an inconsistent but occasionally above-average split-change, but limited feel for pitching. He could be a middle reliever, especially if he stops throwing his mediocre curve, but that's probably it, and he doesn't have anything to miss bats. (Of course, the White Sox will immediately teach him a cutter, so stay tuned.) Right-hander Jhonny Nunez also profiles as a middle reliever, with a little more fastball than Marquez has and a tighter slider, but below average command and control and a longish arm action that may make command difficult for him. The White Sox gave up Gio Gonzalez, Faustino de los Santos, Ryan Sweeney and $3.5 million, and their return is one year of Swisher plus Betemit, Marquez and Nunez. That's an impressive run of trading down in value.
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For a guy that acts so smart, you'd think he realize that Matsui and his spaghetti knees are in no ones mind being considered for an OF slot, he's pretty much slotted at DH for the Yanks.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Capella said:
Here's what keith law had to say. He's a bit smarmy, but I think he's the best analyst out there:

The Yankees may not get much of a return out of Nick Swisher, but there's a chance that they got a good offensive player, while the White Sox get rid of Swisher but don't get anything valuable in return for their trouble. Swisher is coming off of a horrific year, looking slow and even apathetic, almost as if his patience at the plate was the result of indifference rather than a desire to work the count. He can still run into a ball if a pitcher makes a mistake, but his bat was slow and he would foul off average fastballs and miss plus heat entirely. Mike Lowell had a year like that (without the apathy) before coming to the Red Sox and rebounded completely; Andruw Jones had a year like that (with the apathy and some extra pounds) and slid further into the abyss. It's a gamble for the Yankees, but with the upside that they get an average to above-average bat at first base or in left field if it works out, and the cost in players and money (Swisher is owed $26 million through 2011) is not that great to them. The throw-in coming to the Yanks, Kanekoa Texeira, is a classic sinker/slider reliever, with his slider being a potential out pitch, but with below-average command. Even if the command doesn't improve, he'll pitch in the big leagues, and has a chance to be a late-innings guy if it does improve because he already misses bats and keeps the ball in the park. Of course, the ultimate question here for the Yankees is whether it pushes them out of the Mark Teixeira market, or is simply a backup plan/leverage play to keep the price down on Teixeira by removing their own incentive to overpay for him. The Yanks could still sign Teixeira and play Swisher in left, benching Hideki Matsui (often hurt and not very good when he plays) or just give him away to anyone willing to pay the postage, and it seems a lot more likely that they'd do that than stand pat with Swisher at first and Matsui in left, a combination that could easily leave the Yanks with below-average bats at three or four positions if they don't also upgrade in center field. The White Sox get … well, it's hard to see what they saw in this package of players. Wilson Betemit can fill in at several positions, but his plate discipline is poor and he can't hit left-handers at all; he's a fair utility player, but barring an age-27 power surge or a sudden interest in playing defense, that's all. Right-hander Jeff Marquez has to be one of the most overhyped Yankee prospects in recent memory; he's ordinary, with an average fastball that has some sink and an inconsistent but occasionally above-average split-change, but limited feel for pitching. He could be a middle reliever, especially if he stops throwing his mediocre curve, but that's probably it, and he doesn't have anything to miss bats. (Of course, the White Sox will immediately teach him a cutter, so stay tuned.) Right-hander Jhonny Nunez also profiles as a middle reliever, with a little more fastball than Marquez has and a tighter slider, but below average command and control and a longish arm action that may make command difficult for him. The White Sox gave up Gio Gonzalez, Faustino de los Santos, Ryan Sweeney and $3.5 million, and their return is one year of Swisher plus Betemit, Marquez and Nunez. That's an impressive run of trading down in value.
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For a guy that acts so smart, you'd think he realize that Matsui and his spaghetti knees are in no ones mind being considered for an OF slot, he's pretty much slotted at DH for the Yanks.
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:goodposting:
 
Sammy3469 said:
Tremendous Upside said:
jfranco77 said:
Is he any good defensively? In CF or at 1B? The last thing the Yankees need is another corner OF who is also a crappy 1B and really belongs at DH (Matsui, Damon)
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He's gotta be better than GiambiPretty affordable also; only like 5 mil a year or so
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Meh...Giambi's year last year was better than anything Swisher's ever done. This screams to me that they don't think they're a lock to sign Teixeira and that they're letting Abreu walk though I doubt this is their last move.
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Umm he meant hes gotta be a better defensive player than Giambi. And of course Giambi is a better offensive player when hes healthy.
 
Very uncharacteristic of the Yanks.....kinda going Theo Epstein on us here :confused: They targetted a guy coming off a poor year, who can play multiple positions, obviously has some pop in his bat - 35 hr's playing for Oak a few years back, and not overspending on the free agent market (yet). Reminds me of the Sox signing Lowell a few years back....coming off a year he hit .236 with 8 homers in 500 AB's. Lot of moaning and groaning for Red Sox fans, but he turned out all right.

Looks like a very good deal to me for the Yankees. They gave up nothing, did not severely overspend, got a guy that's only 27-28 years old, and has shown to be very good at getting on base in the past, OBP of .370-.380 in the past. Plus, he can play 1st, and the OF. Sure, he is probably not going to hit 40 hr's and drive in 125 runs, but 30 hr's and 100 rbis is well within reach.

ChiSox really had a log jam at first, surprised they moved him instead of Konerko to be honest.

 
Konerko has two years left at $12M per. I suspect if the White Sox move him, they'll have to pick up some of that money.

He also has a no-trade clause but that probably wouldn't be a showstopper with the Yankees.

 
guru_007 said:
Very uncharacteristic of the Yanks.....kinda going Theo Epstein on us here :goodposting: They targetted a guy coming off a poor year, who can play multiple positions, obviously has some pop in his bat - 35 hr's playing for Oak a few years back, and not overspending on the free agent market (yet). Reminds me of the Sox signing Lowell a few years back....coming off a year he hit .236 with 8 homers in 500 AB's. Lot of moaning and groaning for Red Sox fans, but he turned out all right.Looks like a very good deal to me for the Yankees. They gave up nothing, did not severely overspend, got a guy that's only 27-28 years old, and has shown to be very good at getting on base in the past, OBP of .370-.380 in the past. Plus, he can play 1st, and the OF. Sure, he is probably not going to hit 40 hr's and drive in 125 runs, but 30 hr's and 100 rbis is well within reach.ChiSox really had a log jam at first, surprised they moved him instead of Konerko to be honest.
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The big difference being that Boston didn't target Lowell. They were forced to take him on in the Beckett trade. It reminds me more of the Scott Brosius situation in 1998. Yanks let Wade Boggs go and replaced him with a guy coming off an 11-41-.203 season (with a staggeringly awful .576 OPS). They were rewarded with one outstanding season and three relatively serviceable ones while winning 3 rings.I still think highly enough of Swish to think that a 30-90-.270 season with an OPS approaching .900 is well within reach. His BB, K, and HR rate weren't wildly off last year than they've been in the past, he's entering his prime having just turned 28, and he's just two years removed from 35 HR and 95 RBI. If nothing else, this probably means no long-term pact for Abreu which I'm very happy about.
 
i've heard others say they'd be ok with letting abreu walk. I, for one, would not. Do i want to give him 4 years? no. But if they can get him for 2 years and an option year, they should do it. He's a very good fit in the lineup and he takes a ton of pitches. He goes back on balls like a little girl, but he's still a passable RF. We could do much, much worse.

 
TLEF316 said:
i've heard others say they'd be ok with letting abreu walk. I, for one, would not. Do i want to give him 4 years? no. But if they can get him for 2 years and an option year, they should do it. He's a very good fit in the lineup and he takes a ton of pitches. He goes back on balls like a little girl, but he's still a passable RF. We could do much, much worse.
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That's the thing -- I don't think they'll get him for 2 and an option. I think he's earned a 4-year deal from someone, and I don't want to extend that far on him. He's ideal if you could sign him to a perpetual series of one year contracts, but I don't know how much motivation he'll have once he gets his last big payday that's all.
 
Capella said:
Guy had the worst BA in the majors last year. Not that that's worth a lot, but it warrants mentioning. Maybe last year was the outlier, as he had two decent to good years before that.He's certainly not a plus defender by any stretch. He's just a body in the field.
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He had the lowest BABIP of his career last year, even though his line drive average went up. He also led the majors in pitches per plate appearance last season.He seems an awful lot like a younger cheaper Giambi. I still have my reservations about his OBP and his SLG last year though. His BA should go up, which will likely help both stats, but by how much?I don't love this deal, but I don't hate it.
 
The Man from Laramie said:
Capella said:
Guy had the worst BA in the majors last year. Not that that's worth a lot, but it warrants mentioning. Maybe last year was the outlier, as he had two decent to good years before that.He's certainly not a plus defender by any stretch. He's just a body in the field.
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He had the lowest BABIP of his career last year, even though his line drive average went up. He also led the majors in pitches per plate appearance last season.He seems an awful lot like a younger cheaper Giambi. I still have my reservations about his OBP and his SLG last year though. His BA should go up, which will likely help both stats, but by how much?I don't love this deal, but I don't hate it.
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Yeah, if nothing else they've traded known commodities of garbage for a guy with some upside. Betemit can take his sub-.300 OBP somewhere else and Marquez isn't a prospect anymore anyway. Might as well grab a guy with 30 HR potential for them.
 
You might want to adjust the title of this thread.

Texeira has not signed with the Yankees.

The Red Sox currently are in hot pursuit for him.

 
Capella said:
Guy had the worst BA in the majors last year. Not that that's worth a lot, but it warrants mentioning. Maybe last year was the outlier, as he had two decent to good years before that.He's certainly not a plus defender by any stretch. He's just a body in the field.
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the only thing he's good at is taking pitches and getting long at bats. The guy is too worried about having fun and being an "emotional leader" than he is focusing on the details of the game.
 
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