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Yanks & Bonds? (1 Viewer)
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gump
Footballguy
Obviously the Yankee clubhouse is strong enough to deal with Barry's idiocy. I just can't believe that they are giving him a chance, considering the hatred people have for Barry on every level...Clubhouse manager to Owner. I guess the Final Season postseason birth is rather important.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
any team that needs offensive production and doesn't consider, much less sign, barry bonds is crazy.
this would be a great move for the yankees. i hate them, but i love barry bonds and would love to see him get a chance to play this year. it'd be nice to see someone in MLB grow a pair.
this would be a great move for the yankees. i hate them, but i love barry bonds and would love to see him get a chance to play this year. it'd be nice to see someone in MLB grow a pair.
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Sexson is a righty who will platoon some against leftiesBonds will be pretty much the every day DH
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
OBP
comfortably numb
Footballguy
You cheer when Giambi hits a walk off HR?tamales said:
tamales
Footballguy
of course. My hatred of Bonds has absolutely nothing at all to do with the roids.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
This makes no sense. Even if you DO hate Bonds solely because of the roids, the way the two players have handled the situations couldn't be any more different. I'm not giving Giambi all the love in the world simply because he admitted to it, but at least he DID admit to it.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Whether steroids or not, my point is if he does well, all fans will cheer.Clemens was hated when he got here, then NY fans loved him, now they hate him, if he un un un retires and pitches a perfect game against Boston in the ALCS, he will be get the keys to the city. I wish Bonds would get herpes (well not really) but really I just can't stand him. With that said, If he joined the Mets, i would be cheering if he played well.BTW, link to what Giambi admitted to?
blackjack23
Footballguy
Yeah apparently it was a hoax
Michael Brown
Footballguy
You can't say ALL fans will cheer if Bonds were to do well with the Yanks. I, for one, would not cheer. I never once cheered Gary Sheffield, and that was before any steroid allegations. I just hated the guy, and wanted no part of him on the Yankees. When he did well, I was glad it helped the team but I never cheered HIM.Here's the Giambi link.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no....................... NO
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Yeah, because anyone who doesn't want a media circus in every town and fractured locker room is a gutless coward.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
The Yankees are always a media circus and the fractured locker room will only happen if they lose; winning creates a better locker roomYeah, because anyone who doesn't want a media circus in every town and fractured locker room is a gutless coward.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The perfect pair.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
yeah, kinda.any team that doesn't think enough of it's manager and it's players to make it work is acting a bit cowardly.sorta like how every NFL team that was afraid to give a 4th round pick for randy moss was cowardly. guys like bonds and moss aren't for every team. they are only for teams with the balls to make it work. if a guy like bonds or moss can destroy your locker room, then it wasn't very strong to begin with.these are professional sports organizations. (not the boy scouts)we are talking about a man who's essentially begging for a shot to play and will even swallow his pride (if there were any left) and play for the league minimum.no matter what bonds was like before, any manager/GM that couldn't get a desparate bonds in line and make his impact on a team a positive one isn't a very strong leader, imo.cowards won't go against this whiny public sentiment. a leader with cajones would.Tom Servo said:Yeah, because anyone who doesn't want a media circus in every town and fractured locker room is a gutless coward.
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wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
God I hope this happens.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
They are damned if they do...they are damned if they don't. If signing Bonds gives them a legit chance to make the playoffs then they should do it. If signing Bonds doesn't... then it isn't worth it.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
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Jaysus
Good times!
me too!
Michael Brown
Footballguy
ETA: The "wink" smilie is broke.
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
There's actually a difference between Moss and Bonds. The main one is that every NFL team knew of Moss' character issues when he was drafted. Bonds' problems came after he'd been an established big leaguer. Just because a team won't take on guys with character issues doesn't make them cowardly; one does not follow the other. Some teams don't want the chaos a player like that brings; what's wrong with that?You're right they are sports teams, but they're also businesses with employees who need to follow standards. Some companies play favorites with employees, but most don't.I don't buy BB is begging for a job. He wants back on his terms and isn't signing any minimum contract...bank on it.yeah, kinda.any team that doesn't think enough of it's manager and it's players to make it work is acting a bit cowardly.sorta like how every NFL team that was afraid to give a 4th round pick for randy moss was cowardly. guys like bonds and moss aren't for every team. they are only for teams with the balls to make it work. if a guy like bonds or moss can destroy your locker room, then it wasn't very strong to begin with.these are professional sports organizations. (not the boy scouts)we are talking about a man who's essentially begging for a shot to play and will even swallow his pride (if there were any left) and play for the league minimum.no matter what bonds was like before, any manager/GM that couldn't get a desparate bonds in line and make his impact on a team a positive one isn't a very strong leader, imo.cowards won't go against this whiny public sentiment. a leader with cajones would.Tom Servo said:Yeah, because anyone who doesn't want a media circus in every town and fractured locker room is a gutless coward.
gump
Footballguy
I agree, if it were just a matter of getting Bonds to walk the line and keep the team from paying much attention to the circus.But this isn't "Manny being Manny" and peeing in hotel rooms, talking on his cell phone, etc. This is a guy who many people in MLB HATE with a passion. Bonds is a bad guy. He's not changing those spots. And he could negatively affect an entire organization.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Yes, this makes sense.
Now if you had said Yankees = Patriots, then that might have made sense. You know, former championship team goes out and adds star players to quickly reload, they make it to the playoffs, but then fail bitterly prior to winning it all.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
the only thing we need to know to understand what teams out there thought of moss in terms of character and his impact on the locker room is this: he's widely acknowledged as possibly the most talented WR in NFL history, yet he was had for a 4th round pick. it's hard to remember now, but there were plenty of people out there that questioned what moss might do to the locker room, even at such a cheap price.bonds, on the other hand, was resigned by the giants for alot of money going into last season. we know, of course, that he was only being used to sell tickets for a meaningless franchise, but the point is that throughout his career, his attitude has been something teams will overlook.most of the reason that people say they don't want bonds is that he's a bad teammate and bad for the clubhouse. however, it obviously wasn't so bad that teams didn't want him. we know steroids aren't the issue. teams/fans support plenty of other alleged steroid users. the only thing that's changed (over the last year) is the trial, which would lead to distractions. teams being afraid of bonds b/c of added media coverage and distraction is cowardly, imo. teams/players are supposed to be able to deal with distractions.you can't really compare pro. sports to other businesses. sports and entertainment (which sports are, although many forget that) are the only businesses where the employees make boatloads more money than most of their bosses. also, many athletes would be out of a job if sports were run like other businesses.the "standards" that athletes must meet generally have very little to do with character and everything to do with results.if bonds is coming to these teams making a bunch of demands, then i take back everything i've said. every report i hear claims bonds is willing to play for the minimum. from this, i'm also assuming that he's not demanding cushy lockers or anything that would set him apart from his teammates. unless i hear different, i'm going by that.There's actually a difference between Moss and Bonds. The main one is that every NFL team knew of Moss' character issues when he was drafted. Bonds' problems came after he'd been an established big leaguer. Just because a team won't take on guys with character issues doesn't make them cowardly; one does not follow the other. Some teams don't want the chaos a player like that brings; what's wrong with that?You're right they are sports teams, but they're also businesses with employees who need to follow standards. Some companies play favorites with employees, but most don't.I don't buy BB is begging for a job. He wants back on his terms and isn't signing any minimum contract...bank on it.yeah, kinda.any team that doesn't think enough of it's manager and it's players to make it work is acting a bit cowardly.sorta like how every NFL team that was afraid to give a 4th round pick for randy moss was cowardly. guys like bonds and moss aren't for every team. they are only for teams with the balls to make it work. if a guy like bonds or moss can destroy your locker room, then it wasn't very strong to begin with.these are professional sports organizations. (not the boy scouts)we are talking about a man who's essentially begging for a shot to play and will even swallow his pride (if there were any left) and play for the league minimum.no matter what bonds was like before, any manager/GM that couldn't get a desparate bonds in line and make his impact on a team a positive one isn't a very strong leader, imo.cowards won't go against this whiny public sentiment. a leader with cajones would.Tom Servo said:Yeah, because anyone who doesn't want a media circus in every town and fractured locker room is a gutless coward.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
i do agree that dealing with the fan's perception of barry (home and road) would be a major problem to be dealt with. i'm not saying that it wouldn't be a problem that must handled delicately, but i think it can be done.fans absolutely hated TO a few years ago (not quite bonds level hate, but close). i remember cowboy fans on here saying they'd rather lose than win with TO. the situation was handled correctly and it's worked. fans came around. fans will forgive alot of things when a guy produces. players will respond well if a guy isn't an overtly bad teammate (which i don't think bonds would be based on the circumstances if the org. handled him correctly). they don't need him inviting them over for dinner or being a ra-ra guy. they need that .480 OBP.who knows, maybe we'd even see bonds crying in a press conference over the press criticizing one of his teammates. (kidding. i'm crazy, but not that crazy). although, no one would have ever guessed that would be TO 3 years ago.bonds is a risk. it's not worth it for most teams, but it certainly is for some.
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gump
Footballguy
I'm not talking about fans hatred for him...I'm talking about employees of the org. I've heard several first hand accounts of it...from a clubhouse standpoint, a concessions standpoint, and a marketing standpoint.
I was always a fan of Bonds...but I've turned that leaf. That many people can't be wrong.
I was always a fan of Bonds...but I've turned that leaf. That many people can't be wrong.
