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Yes McNabb the Skins are better then the Eagles! (1 Viewer)
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Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
That Eagles team is overrated and beat up thus far sitting in the basement of the NFC East. Quite a lot of work for the Eagles to do if they are going to even be a .500 team this year let alone be better then the Cowboys, Redskins and Bears!
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Mcnabb just needs to stop. He hasn't earned the right to talk trash after a loss. I hope the Skins use this as bulletin board material for their next meeting.
twistd
Footballguy
The Eagles might be the worst in the NFC East, and still be the fourth best team in the conference. They might eve be the fourth best team in the league. The East is a beast. In thinking about it I'd have to say the Titans are better than the Eagles. But right now the Titans may be the only team in the AFC that I think is better than the Eagles. The worm has turned for the NFC versus the AFC.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
They're not the 4th best team in the league. They've proven that over the last 2 weeks. Outside of Westbrook, they're offense has no playmakers at all. It's a very boring offense and the coach hasn't been helping with the playcalling. The defense is solid but still very young and mistake-prone. I think people got carried away after the first 3 weeks and now we're seeing what they really are......a mediocre team with no realistic shot at the playoffs.
Big Score
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Missed that one. Although for some reason it seems like they're fazing him out more and more. he's only a playmaker when he's being used.DeSean Jackson down?
Tanner9919
Footballguy
the Eagles are soft
the Redskins are impressive, despite the week 1 debacle, they've turned things around in a hurry!
dgreen
Footballguy
It looked to me like McNabb is the one who called that 3rd down run at the goalline this week. It was an especially weird call since the Redskins had two more defenders than the Eagles had blockers on that side of the line.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Absolutely not. They wouldn't make my top 10 right now.
dirtywaters20
Footballguy
Even more perplexing to run to Tra Thomas' side; he is a terrific pass blocker but gets very little push in the run game. Simply a terrible call. Props to the Skins; they handed us our butts on both lines yesterday. Inside & out manhandling. They exposed yet again that the Eagles' safeties & linebackers cannot cover the tight end. What was disheartening was at least in past weeks, there was a trade off because the bulk @ the LB spots enabled them to shut down the run. Not yesterday; they got killed on the stretch play all afternoon long. Samuels owned Cole all game. The offense was terrible once they were off the script. Playcalling & execution both sucked. They were not the better team yesterday because they got destroyed at the line of scrimmage. McNabb wasn't even the best quarterback on the field yesterday. Not at all surprised by the inaccurate & grating post game comments; he does it all the time.
fatness
Footballguy
I agree about the playcalling, but that's not all that decided the game with the Redskins. Washington had 3 long drives that ended in FG's. Had any or all of those drives ended in TD's the game would not have been close.
Manster
Footballguy
this isnt' too far off. every one of the NFC East matchups are shaping up to be monsters! and the iggles arent dead. they are just inconsistent from wk to wk. although mcego is due for a knee to blow out any week now.
Bankerguy
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PHILADELPHIA (Oct. 5) - A few of the Washington Redskins were walking off the field, high-fiving, hugging and celebrating another road victory when they looked up at disgruntled fans and gave them another reason to pout.
"There's a new Beast of the East," players shouted.
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Congrats to the Redskins...you are playing great Football.
It's a loooong year though. It's a little early to be annointing yourself anything yet.
"There's a new Beast of the East," players shouted.
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Congrats to the Redskins...you are playing great Football.
It's a loooong year though. It's a little early to be annointing yourself anything yet.
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Wu-banger
Footballguy
Does it make a difference to the Eagles when they play the Super Bowl ..??? The results always the same.Good thing they don't play the Superbowl the first week of October.....
TenMidgets
Footballguy
This whole thread is silly - where is the quote from Donovan in the article you link too saying they are better than Washington & Dallas?
I have no problem with McNabb saying that. If you don't believe it, how can you achieve it? Who knows - with a healthy Westbrook and a good combination of DeSean Jackson and Kevin Curtis, the Eagles offense is arguably one of the league's best. Throw in their strong pass rush and special teams abilities and they are a tough team that can beat anyone. 
T Bell
Footballguy
Slider
Footballguy
I'm sure Eli Manning was saying the Giants were better than the Skins after the week 15 loss last year. Apparently he was right...
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T Bell
Footballguy
I'm not sure about that.
Regardless, even assuming you're correct, when you can point me to McNabb's ring, I'll take that as a satisfactory alibi.Mustang Man
Footballguy
Right now to me the Skins are the best team in NFC. They beat Dallas in Dallas and Philly in Philly. The Giants have had a cup cake schedule so far minus the Skins but they would have beaten anyone that night. Very emotional game for them and the fans. I am not a Skins fan I am a Dallas fan so I am not bias to the Skins. This is a long season and who is the best right now means very little. Got to give it up to the Skins they are playing some good football and will be a force this season because of that running game.
I still think they have the least talent in the NFC East (THAT IS NOT A BAD THING) but they are playing the best as a team and that is what matters.
HATS OFF TO THEM!!
I still think they have the least talent in the NFC East (THAT IS NOT A BAD THING) but they are playing the best as a team and that is what matters.
HATS OFF TO THEM!!
Mustang Man
Footballguy
The EAGLES have a great shot at making the playoffs. I would also say that D.Jackson is a pretty darn good threat in that offense besides Westbrooke. If they can keep Westbrooke healthy they can beat anyone. Mcnabb probably thinks they are better but really he should keep his mouth shut because they lost to both them teams (Cowboys and Skins)
Bankerguy
Footballguy
They are going to have to catch one of NY/Wash/Dallas......I don't like their chances.
Mustang Man
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LONG SEASON, but I can see where you are coming from
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Chunky Soup
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He doesn't say the Eagles are better than the Redskins, etc. FWIW.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Why are the Eagles worse than the Redskins?
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
you mean PHAT?i dont like mcnabbs fat face.
dirtywaters20
Footballguy
Yeah they were talking about that on the radio. Not surprising on many levels really? LJ's on field performance will never match his physical potential. Depressing he was drafted by us ahead of Witten that year.Tatum Bell said:
T Bell
Footballguy
Bankerguy said:
Also, that team has more problems than its record. I don't trust Westbrook and McNabb to stay healthy, and the team is toast if either goes down, especially Westy.McNabb can't seem to consistently throw accurate passes more than 10 yards beyond the LOS (even assuming Reid calls such plays).
The offensive coaching/play-calling is dysfunctional. I think Reid's lost his fastball as an offensive coach and simply doesn't know how to establish the run anymore, or to do anything to adapt to changing game situations. Yesterday the Redskins defense had adapted to what the Eagles were doing by the end of the 1st quarter, and yet I didn't see a single adjustment by Reid. That offense had no - and I mean ZE-RO - first downs during the 2nd and 3rd quarters. Think about that and the fact that there weren't any discernable adjustments for a moment.
Akers' best years are behind him - he's worthless from more than 40 yards out as a FG kicker.
The LB's are still not very talented, especially in pass coverage, though Jim Johnson does a great job covering for them with his scheme.
Essentially they're the same old Eagles of the last three years, who will go as far as an aggressive defense and a short passing game built on McNabb and Westbrook will take them. The problem is that while that got it done in that division in the early part of the decade, their competition has greatly improved while they're still relying upon the same general game plan. They're going to be lucky to finish 8-8.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
"There’s no way you can look at this game – not to take anything away from them, but there’s no way that this team was better than us."
I agree with McNabb's quote. Watching that game, I don't think that Washington is a better team.
1) Washington played better - Mental mistakes, drops, formation errors all blotted Philly's effort. Washington played a disciplined, focused game.
2) Washington coached better - Playcalling was horrible. Morningwhig has called two bad games in a row actually. And it cost the Eagles dearly.
Redskins are clearly better than many people thought. They have their road division games out of the way and at 4-1 are looking for a return trip to the playoffs.
That being said, Philly has everything they need, ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY, to beat any other team in the NFL. And if they are going to have any chance, McNabb and everyone else in that locker room better think so. Just don't go b*tching about it to the press right after the game. Makes you look lame.
Losses by 4 to Dallas, 4 to Chicago, and 6 to Washington. All playcalling IMO. Marty Morningwhig needs to ADJUST.
I agree with McNabb's quote. Watching that game, I don't think that Washington is a better team.
1) Washington played better - Mental mistakes, drops, formation errors all blotted Philly's effort. Washington played a disciplined, focused game.
2) Washington coached better - Playcalling was horrible. Morningwhig has called two bad games in a row actually. And it cost the Eagles dearly.
Redskins are clearly better than many people thought. They have their road division games out of the way and at 4-1 are looking for a return trip to the playoffs.
That being said, Philly has everything they need, ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY, to beat any other team in the NFL. And if they are going to have any chance, McNabb and everyone else in that locker room better think so. Just don't go b*tching about it to the press right after the game. Makes you look lame.
Losses by 4 to Dallas, 4 to Chicago, and 6 to Washington. All playcalling IMO. Marty Morningwhig needs to ADJUST.
southeastjerome
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Philly had drops, but Randel El had 3 drops of his own, including one big one on a 3rd down in Eagles territory. Mental errors? What about the 3rd down conversion nullified by Devin Thomas’ penalty when he started blocking before the ball was caught? The Redskins played well, but they were far from perfect. Also, how do you explain how Washington ran the ball down Philly’s throat? Really that was the biggest factor in the game imo. Marty Mornhinweg wasn’t calling the plays for the defense.
Philly definitely did not play their best game, I think they are capable of better, but I think Washington is too. The Redskins did what they did defensively without a pass rush and without arguably their 2 best defensive players (Springs and J. Taylor). I think Philly is a different team without a healthy Westbrook out there. You can blame Mornhinweg’s play calling (and it wasn’t the greatest) but the offense runs a lot smoother when a healthy Westbrook is in there.
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TobiasFunke
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Saying that they lost by 6 to Washington is a true statement, but hardly paints an accurate picture of the game. First, the DeSean Jackson punt return TD was iffy at best. After watching the replay it seemed pretty clear that the refs got confused by the two #50s, and the Fox announcers and the NBC Sunday night guys said as much, for what that's worth. So right there you're talking about possibly making it a 13 point game. Plus the Skins drove into Eagles territory in the last 7 minutes (and did so despite the Eagles knowing they'd heavily favor the run) and then kneeled to end the game.If you watched this game, you'd know that the Redskins absolutely dominated the Eagles. And they did it without 3 of their best defensive starters. Things change, and the Eagles do have some talent for sure, but to pretend that the Eagles lost to the Redskins solely or even mostly because of playcalling is preposterous. They got pummeled in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
Note- I could make the same statement about the Dallas loss. Sure- they lost by "only" four ... thanks to boneheaded decisions by Romo, including picking up a fumble in his own end zome and trying to throw the ball away instead of taking a safety (or not fumbling in the first place), resulting in a Philly TD when they recovered his second fumble on the play. Take away the Eagles' stroke of luck there and it's a two-possession game.
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buster c
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http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/...ing_battle.html
who is this Ashley Fox? Philly homers?
By Ashley Fox
Inquirer NFL columnist
Andy Reid said it, as he so often does.
"I have to get our guys into better positions to make plays, and when they are in those positions, we have to make sure that [plays] get made," Reid said minutes after the Eagles lost to the Washington Redskins, 23-17.
Try this. Steal a page or 50 out of Jim Zorn's playbook, because, boy, that rookie can coach, and in case you haven't noticed, your offense is in the midst of a wicked identity crisis.
Zorn's game plan, apparently, was to stay the course and use the running game to pound away yards while Jason Campbell dinked and dunked his way down the field. And then, when the Redskins got into the red zone, Zorn pulled out a play the Redskins had practiced once, and the result was a go-ahead touchdown and Washington's fourth consecutive win.
The Eagles got 2 yards shy of the goal line needing a score to come back, and it was the Chicago game all over again. Donovan McNabb almost called a time-out, then didn't. He barked an audible that either the linemen didn't hear or didn't understand, and then Brian Westbrook got the football in a position where he could not succeed, took a 3-yard loss and that, folks, was the ball game.
In a similar situation, Zorn called for his quarterback to roll left as if he was going to pass, then hand off to Antwaan Randle El, who ran to the right sideline and found a wide-open Chris Cooley, who had run a delay route and found that, as he said, "no one covered me." It was an easy six.
To review: Zorn's play-calling was creative, Reid's was not. Zorn gambled, Reid did not. Zorn won, Reid did not.
And now, here we are, five weeks into the season, and the Eagles have a crisis of confidence and a lack of identity.
The natural reaction is to thank the football gods that San Francisco is up next on the old schedule, but even a game against that flailing franchise isn't a given. Not anymore.
The Eagles had a beautiful opening drive, totally exposing a blatant mismatch between tight end L.J. Smith and linebacker Rocky McIntosh, that ended when Brian Westbrook somehow plowed through a slew of defenders untouched into the end zone.
But that was really it for using Smith. He caught two passes that drive, one more later in the first half, and then the Eagles didn't go to him again. Asked if the Redskins took something away from Smith, McNabb just shook his head and said, "No, they didn't."
That, friends, falls on the head coach. Although Reid hasn't officially acknowledged this fact, he's calling the plays now, not offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. Reid chose to get away from Smith, and go to what? A slew of three-and-outs that lasted nearly two quarters?
The offense that had run a sprint with Dallas just a few weeks ago couldn't do anything. The receivers were smothered, and had their share of drops. Westbrook, who added bruised ribs to his sprained ankle, didn't get enough carries to get into a rushing rhythm, and so, consequently, Reid abandoned the run altogether.
And the team faltered, like they had in Chicago, at the goal line.
No one either knew or would specifically say what happened on the third-and-1 play from the 2-yard line, they just knew they obviously failed miserably for a second consecutive week.
"It sucks. It sucks bad," Todd Herremans said. "I mean, we get down there at the goal line, we've got to be able to punch it in. It falls on the O-line again."
"If I had an answer, we would definitely know what's going on," McNabb said. "It's something that we definitely have to find an answer and solution for right now to get the job done."
That's the truth. And here's the bad news: Who knows whether Westbrook will be able to play at San Francisco. He got some kind of shot during the first quarter that allowed him to continue to play, but those ribs likely are killing him this morning, and that pain usually lingers. If he's not available, the Eagles are going to look like they did against the Bears, which was one-dimensional at best.
So here the Eagles sit. Reid promised that the team "will play hard, they will play hard for 60 minutes." He said that, yes, the Eagles can be the team he thought they were going to be, but admitted "we need to change this thing around obviously."
Reid has to get the offense settled down. If Westbrook can't go, he's got to be dedicated to consistently getting Correll Buckhalter the ball. He's got to get Smith involved more, and to spread it around to the receivers, including DeSean Jackson, who for whatever reason disappeared in the second half yesterday.
Reid's got to establish an identity for this offense. That's his responsibility, his job, and his No. 1 task right now. Everyone knows the Redskins will pound the ball then throw out a nifty play or two, knows the Giants will smash you in the mouth and spread it around, knows the Cowboys are a down-field team that can fall back on the run.
What exactly are the Eagles?
Reid needs to figure that out.
who is this Ashley Fox? Philly homers?
By Ashley Fox
Inquirer NFL columnist
Andy Reid said it, as he so often does.
"I have to get our guys into better positions to make plays, and when they are in those positions, we have to make sure that [plays] get made," Reid said minutes after the Eagles lost to the Washington Redskins, 23-17.
Try this. Steal a page or 50 out of Jim Zorn's playbook, because, boy, that rookie can coach, and in case you haven't noticed, your offense is in the midst of a wicked identity crisis.
Zorn's game plan, apparently, was to stay the course and use the running game to pound away yards while Jason Campbell dinked and dunked his way down the field. And then, when the Redskins got into the red zone, Zorn pulled out a play the Redskins had practiced once, and the result was a go-ahead touchdown and Washington's fourth consecutive win.
The Eagles got 2 yards shy of the goal line needing a score to come back, and it was the Chicago game all over again. Donovan McNabb almost called a time-out, then didn't. He barked an audible that either the linemen didn't hear or didn't understand, and then Brian Westbrook got the football in a position where he could not succeed, took a 3-yard loss and that, folks, was the ball game.
In a similar situation, Zorn called for his quarterback to roll left as if he was going to pass, then hand off to Antwaan Randle El, who ran to the right sideline and found a wide-open Chris Cooley, who had run a delay route and found that, as he said, "no one covered me." It was an easy six.
To review: Zorn's play-calling was creative, Reid's was not. Zorn gambled, Reid did not. Zorn won, Reid did not.
And now, here we are, five weeks into the season, and the Eagles have a crisis of confidence and a lack of identity.
The natural reaction is to thank the football gods that San Francisco is up next on the old schedule, but even a game against that flailing franchise isn't a given. Not anymore.
The Eagles had a beautiful opening drive, totally exposing a blatant mismatch between tight end L.J. Smith and linebacker Rocky McIntosh, that ended when Brian Westbrook somehow plowed through a slew of defenders untouched into the end zone.
But that was really it for using Smith. He caught two passes that drive, one more later in the first half, and then the Eagles didn't go to him again. Asked if the Redskins took something away from Smith, McNabb just shook his head and said, "No, they didn't."
That, friends, falls on the head coach. Although Reid hasn't officially acknowledged this fact, he's calling the plays now, not offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. Reid chose to get away from Smith, and go to what? A slew of three-and-outs that lasted nearly two quarters?
The offense that had run a sprint with Dallas just a few weeks ago couldn't do anything. The receivers were smothered, and had their share of drops. Westbrook, who added bruised ribs to his sprained ankle, didn't get enough carries to get into a rushing rhythm, and so, consequently, Reid abandoned the run altogether.
And the team faltered, like they had in Chicago, at the goal line.
No one either knew or would specifically say what happened on the third-and-1 play from the 2-yard line, they just knew they obviously failed miserably for a second consecutive week.
"It sucks. It sucks bad," Todd Herremans said. "I mean, we get down there at the goal line, we've got to be able to punch it in. It falls on the O-line again."
"If I had an answer, we would definitely know what's going on," McNabb said. "It's something that we definitely have to find an answer and solution for right now to get the job done."
That's the truth. And here's the bad news: Who knows whether Westbrook will be able to play at San Francisco. He got some kind of shot during the first quarter that allowed him to continue to play, but those ribs likely are killing him this morning, and that pain usually lingers. If he's not available, the Eagles are going to look like they did against the Bears, which was one-dimensional at best.
So here the Eagles sit. Reid promised that the team "will play hard, they will play hard for 60 minutes." He said that, yes, the Eagles can be the team he thought they were going to be, but admitted "we need to change this thing around obviously."
Reid has to get the offense settled down. If Westbrook can't go, he's got to be dedicated to consistently getting Correll Buckhalter the ball. He's got to get Smith involved more, and to spread it around to the receivers, including DeSean Jackson, who for whatever reason disappeared in the second half yesterday.
Reid's got to establish an identity for this offense. That's his responsibility, his job, and his No. 1 task right now. Everyone knows the Redskins will pound the ball then throw out a nifty play or two, knows the Giants will smash you in the mouth and spread it around, knows the Cowboys are a down-field team that can fall back on the run.
What exactly are the Eagles?
Reid needs to figure that out.
dirtywaters20
Footballguy
You're right on nearly every count. Don't pull the injury card though. The Eagles offense was without their best lineman, arguably their best wide receiver and their franchise back playing with significant ankle & rib injuries.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
That lackluster offense Mornigwhig went into after the 14-0 start had everything to do with the flow of the game. The first 15 plays, scripted, looked crisp. Then...poof.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-4-31/...r-the-road.html
Eagles should've stuck to the script: I was intrigued by something Redskins cornerback Carlos Rogers told me immediately after the game. He said he marveled at the Eagles' first 15 plays of the game, but noticed that things grew stale after that. It's not as if he was trying to badmouth the Eagles, but I think it speaks to how Philadelphia's first drive looked dramatically different from the way it played the rest of the day.
"We'd never seen those plays they came out with," Rogers said. "I'm serious. Those were great plays. But after that, I guess our coaching took over."
The offense had ZERO first downs for the 2nd and 3rd quarters combined. The D got tired. And Washington ran the ball down their throats. Nothing from the Redskins here, but playcalling has EVERYTHING to do with it IMO. Not only points, but goalline failures, bad T.O.P., flow, and confidence.
And as someone else mentioned, injuries should stand aside. Both teams had key guys out/hurt.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-4-31/...r-the-road.html
Eagles should've stuck to the script: I was intrigued by something Redskins cornerback Carlos Rogers told me immediately after the game. He said he marveled at the Eagles' first 15 plays of the game, but noticed that things grew stale after that. It's not as if he was trying to badmouth the Eagles, but I think it speaks to how Philadelphia's first drive looked dramatically different from the way it played the rest of the day.
"We'd never seen those plays they came out with," Rogers said. "I'm serious. Those were great plays. But after that, I guess our coaching took over."
The offense had ZERO first downs for the 2nd and 3rd quarters combined. The D got tired. And Washington ran the ball down their throats. Nothing from the Redskins here, but playcalling has EVERYTHING to do with it IMO. Not only points, but goalline failures, bad T.O.P., flow, and confidence.
And as someone else mentioned, injuries should stand aside. Both teams had key guys out/hurt.
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T Bell
Footballguy
Maybe they should script more plays.
What this points to is that Andy Reid and Mornigwheg have no ability to adapt in-game. They prepare a nice script over the course of days, but they can't see what's happening on the field in front of them and counter it.That's a major failing IMHO.
dirtywaters20
Footballguy
Of course it is. The problem is when you point that out as an Eagles' fan you are immediately labled an ingrate from those who don't follow the team as closely. This has been going on since the Tampa NFC championship game. They run more play action than nearly every other team....except the never bother to establish the run so it has no credibility. The run/pass balance will always be an issue with a Reid offense. The Carolina championship game was the most glaring example. Injured qb & 2 garbage wideouts that get muscled off nearly every route they run? Keep firin' Andy.Maybe they should script more plays.
That's a major failing IMHO.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Good one here.
Not sure what you're watching here. Most of McNabb's famous in the dirt passes happen at short to intermediate range, from 8-15 yards out. McNabb still has one of the prettiest deep balls in the game. While McNabb isn't the most accurate passer, he's far from the opposite end of the spectrum, and still boasts one of the bestall-time TD/INt ratios.
I agree with this only to a point. Eagles defense allowed some loooooong Skins drives, limiting the Bird's opportunities some. But worse was that on two of those 3 and out's, a wide open WR dropped an easy 3rd down pass which would have netted a first. The called play worked, and the pass was on target. Where it's fair to question is AR's play calling inside the ten....terrible.
Yep...Akers is a shell of his former self.
Disagree...but they are very young and still prone to mistakes. This may be the best LB corps in the NFL in another year or two.
You may be right here, but I still think this team is better then last year's squad by a long ways. Unfortunately, the whole division is better and it may not show in the record.
dgreen
Footballguy
Correct. He should have said, "If you watched the game, you'd know the Redskins totally outplayed the Eagles after the first quarter."Personally, I wouldn't use the word dominated in a 6-point game. Similarly, I was a littleGood one here.
by all the talk last week about how they dominated Dallas...in a 2-point game. Simply put, the Redskins went on the road in the division in back to back weeks and outplayed two teams that were supposed to be better. While I won't say they were dominating, I will say they were impressive.
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