Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)

[eoMMan]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

Wow.

 

[jomar]

Owning a pit ... Same thing about owning a sports car.

No its not. Thats ridiculous.

Hint: Your Porsche won't jump over a fence and kill a child without you being there.

But someone put a dog in an area where they could escape - the human. The human is always in control.

Kinda sucks that this worry has to even be in the back of ANY dog owner's mind.

fixedAny dog can bite.

But can any dog kill from their bite?

No. But the Pit apologists won't respond to reason.

given the right circumstances, I'd say yes, any dog can kill from their bite. but the Pit haters won't respond to reason.

Neck already opened up 2/3, clinging to life, Chihuahua gets access to an artery?

as I said, the pit haters won't respond to reason.how about the link recently posted with a 3-day old baby? you don't think a chihuahua could kill a 3 day old baby?

 

[beavers]

You pit advocates need to take lessons from the GLBT advocates ... once you see things logically and stop being so damn annoying by pushing your view even when you are completely off base, you'd be amazed on how quickly people will change.

sounds like you're saying the view of the GLBT was completely off base but they changed their approach to make people agree with them. what did the GLBT advocates used to do versus what they do now? was their message off base or was it the way other people viewed their POV that was off base?

From personal experience, I had much more impact when I listened and stopped pushing the issue at all costs. To not even acknowledge that a pits bite is more dangerous than that of a shih-tzu is way out of touch and personally, just plain stupid. Stupidity doesn't take you very far when it comes to trying to change minds.

 

[Chaka]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

 

[jomar]

You pit advocates need to take lessons from the GLBT advocates ... once you see things logically and stop being so damn annoying by pushing your view even when you are completely off base, you'd be amazed on how quickly people will change.

sounds like you're saying the view of the GLBT was completely off base but they changed their approach to make people agree with them. what did the GLBT advocates used to do versus what they do now? was their message off base or was it the way other people viewed their POV that was off base?

From personal experience, I had much more impact when I listened and stopped pushing the issue at all costs. To not even acknowledge that a pits bite is more dangerous than that of a shih-tzu is way out of touch and personally, just plain stupid. Stupidity doesn't take you very far when it comes to trying to change minds.

so you think the 'pro-pit' crowd is saying a pits bite is no more dangerous than a shih-tzu? perhaps you need to listen more closely....

 

[GroveDiesel]

Owning a pit ... Same thing about owning a sports car.

No its not. Thats ridiculous.

Hint: Your Porsche won't jump over a fence and kill a child without you being there.

But someone put a dog in an area where they could escape - the human. The human is always in control.

Guess what, my boston terrier won't jump over any fence, and if she could, you'd be more in danger of drowning from her licking your face than getting your face ripped off.

 

[TexanFan02]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

 

[eoMMan]

Owning a pit ... Same thing about owning a sports car.

No its not. Thats ridiculous.

Hint: Your Porsche won't jump over a fence and kill a child without you being there.

But someone put a dog in an area where they could escape - the human. The human is always in control.

Guess what, my boston terrier won't jump over any fence, and if she could, you'd be more in danger of drowning from her licking your face than getting your face ripped off.

True, but I'm sure he could sneak through a hole in the fence if there was one.You're missing the point. Everything should be on the owner at the end of the day (training, containment, etc.)....not what kind of dog it is.

 

[beavers]

Owning a pit ... Same thing about owning a sports car.

No its not. Thats ridiculous.

Hint: Your Porsche won't jump over a fence and kill a child without you being there.

But someone put a dog in an area where they could escape - the human. The human is always in control.

Guess what, my boston terrier won't jump over any fence, and if she could, you'd be more in danger of drowning from her licking your face than getting your face ripped off.

True, but I'm sure he could sneak through a hole in the fence if there was one.You're missing the point.

Everything should be on the owner at the end of the day (training, containment, etc.)....not what kind of dog it is.

So it's the owner and not the breed? Or is it the owner AND the breed?

 

[TexanFan02]

Owning a pit ... Same thing about owning a sports car.

No its not. Thats ridiculous.

Hint: Your Porsche won't jump over a fence and kill a child without you being there.

But someone put a dog in an area where they could escape - the human. The human is always in control.

Guess what, my boston terrier won't jump over any fence, and if she could, you'd be more in danger of drowning from her licking your face than getting your face ripped off.

True, but I'm sure he could sneak through a hole in the fence if there was one.You're missing the point.

Everything should be on the owner at the end of the day (training, containment, etc.)....not what kind of dog it is.

So it's the owner and not the breed? Or is it the owner AND the breed?

Bingo.

 

[jomar]

Guess what, my boston terrier won't jump over any fence, and if she could, you'd be more in danger of drowning from her licking your face than getting your face ripped off.

ironically, this is what most pit owners would say about their dog as well.

 

[eoMMan]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

You pit advocates need to take lessons from the GLBT advocates ... once you see things logically and stop being so damn annoying by pushing your view even when you are completely off base, you'd be amazed on how quickly people will change.

sounds like you're saying the view of the GLBT was completely off base but they changed their approach to make people agree with them. what did the GLBT advocates used to do versus what they do now? was their message off base or was it the way other people viewed their POV that was off base?

From personal experience, I had much more impact when I listened and stopped pushing the issue at all costs. To not even acknowledge that a pits bite is more dangerous than that of a shih-tzu is way out of touch and personally, just plain stupid. Stupidity doesn't take you very far when it comes to trying to change minds.

so you think the 'pro-pit' crowd is saying a pits bite is no more dangerous than a shih-tzu? perhaps you need to listen more closely....

 

[TexanFan02]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

And I'm the one in Fantasyland.

 

[eoMMan]

Owning a pit ... Same thing about owning a sports car.

No its not. Thats ridiculous.

Hint: Your Porsche won't jump over a fence and kill a child without you being there.

But someone put a dog in an area where they could escape - the human. The human is always in control.

Guess what, my boston terrier won't jump over any fence, and if she could, you'd be more in danger of drowning from her licking your face than getting your face ripped off.

True, but I'm sure he could sneak through a hole in the fence if there was one.You're missing the point.

Everything should be on the owner at the end of the day (training, containment, etc.)....not what kind of dog it is.

So it's the owner and not the breed? Or is it the owner AND the breed?

Pitbulls are strong dogs. There's no denying that. And yes, a pitbull can do more damage than some 15 pound full grown dog. That being said, they should be treating any differently than any other large, strong dog. So, in answer to your question, I wouldn't say owner and breed, I'd say owner and general type of dog.But, yes, at the end of the day, it's still on the owner....no matter what kind of dog it is. You can have a calm, peaceful pitbull in one house and then a maniac dachsund in the next house.

 

[eoMMan]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

And I'm the one in Fantasyland.

Nice job not discussing my post.... You pitt-haters are stubborn, thickheaded and refuse to hold an intelligent conversation on this. You resort to emoticons and sensationalism.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Owning a pit ... Same thing about owning a sports car.

No its not. Thats ridiculous.

Hint: Your Porsche won't jump over a fence and kill a child without you being there.

But someone put a dog in an area where they could escape - the human. The human is always in control.

Guess what, my boston terrier won't jump over any fence, and if she could, you'd be more in danger of drowning from her licking your face than getting your face ripped off.

True, but I'm sure he could sneak through a hole in the fence if there was one.You're missing the point.

Everything should be on the owner at the end of the day (training, containment, etc.)....not what kind of dog it is.

So it's the owner and not the breed? Or is it the owner AND the breed?

Pitbulls are strong dogs. There's no denying that. And yes, a pitbull can do more damage than some 15 pound full grown dog. That being said, they should be treating any differently than any other large, strong dog. So, in answer to your question, I wouldn't say owner and breed, I'd say owner and general type of dog.But, yes, at the end of the day, it's still on the owner....no matter what kind of dog it is. You can have a calm, peaceful pitbull in one house and then a maniac dachsund in the next house.

You compared an all to often viscous (of its own accord) pitbull to a peanut.

 

[jomar]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

And I'm the one in Fantasyland.

you're not making sense. what does his post have to do with fantasy land? I realize you probably don't have a better answer than the one you gave so you just laugh it off as a retort.are you denying people die from peanut allergies? if you want to save these people, wouldn't banning peanuts be effective? or do you just not care about these people? how do you choose which people to save and which to be vulnerable to the dangers in society?

 

[TexanFan02]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

And I'm the one in Fantasyland.

Nice job not discussing my post.... You pitt-haters are stubborn, thickheaded and refuse to hold an intelligent conversation on this. You resort to emoticons and sensationalism.

Your post was so ridiculous that now I think you're just fishing.

 

[jomar]

You compared an all to often viscous (of its own accord) pitbull to a peanut.

acutally, he didn't. he's talking about people dying and what causes them to die. why ban pitbulls but allow peanuts? can you make one logical argument for that? if you are truly for saving as many lives as possible, I'd think you'd be in favor of eliminating as many unnecessary deaths as possible, no?

 

[beavers]

You pit advocates need to take lessons from the GLBT advocates ... once you see things logically and stop being so damn annoying by pushing your view even when you are completely off base, you'd be amazed on how quickly people will change.

sounds like you're saying the view of the GLBT was completely off base but they changed their approach to make people agree with them. what did the GLBT advocates used to do versus what they do now? was their message off base or was it the way other people viewed their POV that was off base?

From personal experience, I had much more impact when I listened and stopped pushing the issue at all costs. To not even acknowledge that a pits bite is more dangerous than that of a shih-tzu is way out of touch and personally, just plain stupid. Stupidity doesn't take you very far when it comes to trying to change minds.

so you think the 'pro-pit' crowd is saying a pits bite is no more dangerous than a shih-tzu? perhaps you need to listen more closely....

Listen or read?In summary of the recent discussion, it was brought up that all dogs bite. In addition, all dogs are dangerous to toddlers. To clarify, please answer these questions:1. Do all dogs bite?2. Do all dogs bite with the same intensity?3. Is it the breed? Owner? or both?4. Does a pit bull ever attack without having something wrong (i.e. poor training, poor living conditions, uneducated owner etc)?

 

[TexanFan02]

You compared an all to often viscous (of its own accord) pitbull to a peanut.

acutally, he didn't. he's talking about people dying and what causes them to die. why ban pitbulls but allow peanuts? can you make one logical argument for that? if you are truly for saving as many lives as possible, I'd think you'd be in favor of eliminating as many unnecessary deaths as possible, no?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

You compared an all to often viscous (of its own accord) pitbull to a peanut.

acutally, he didn't. he's talking about people dying and what causes them to die. why ban pitbulls but allow peanuts? can you make one logical argument for that? if you are truly for saving as many lives as possible, I'd think you'd be in favor of eliminating as many unnecessary deaths as possible, no?

 

[eoMMan]

You compared an all to often viscous (of its own accord) pitbull to a peanut.

acutally, he didn't. he's talking about people dying and what causes them to die. why ban pitbulls but allow peanuts? can you make one logical argument for that? if you are truly for saving as many lives as possible, I'd think you'd be in favor of eliminating as many unnecessary deaths as possible, no?

 

[jomar]

You compared an all to often viscous (of its own accord) pitbull to a peanut.

acutally, he didn't. he's talking about people dying and what causes them to die. why ban pitbulls but allow peanuts? can you make one logical argument for that? if you are truly for saving as many lives as possible, I'd think you'd be in favor of eliminating as many unnecessary deaths as possible, no?

I wouldn't answer either if I were you. all of your talk about saving lives (of CHILDREN!!) is just a cover for your hatred of pitbulls. unless you can explain why you don't care about the lives of the many people who die of peanut allergies but are willing to get rid of a dog breed for 5-10 kids a year killed by them. no, much better to

 

[Zow]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them. Food servers have a duty to warn patrons that their foods have peanuts in them. But a peanut cannot jump into a mouth on its own.

With pitbulls the issue that THEY are the ones who, on their own, can cause the injury to someone being reasonable and careful.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

1. Do all dogs bite?

2. Do all dogs bite with the same intensity?

3. Is it the breed? Owner? or both?

4. Does a pit bull dog ever attack without having something wrong (i.e. poor training, poor living conditions, uneducated owner etc)?

1. Yes, all dogs can bite. 2. What do you mean by intensity? Bite power? Aggression? Ruthlessness?

3. Owner.

4. Yes/no. A dog isn't going to just attack for no reason. There will be a trigger of some sort. Of course each dog (not each breed) is going to be triggered in a different way.

 

[jomar]

To clarify, please answer these questions:1. Do all dogs bite?2. Do all dogs bite with the same intensity?3. Is it the breed? Owner? or both?4. Does a pit bull ever attack without having something wrong (i.e. poor training, poor living conditions, uneducated owner etc)?

1. yes2. intensity? not sure about that but some have stronger bites if thats what you mean3. mostly owners, but a bigger breed will do more damage than a smaller breed. ie, a lab can kill just as easily as a pit, but not as easily as a toy dog4. no. any pit that attacks a human unprovoked has something wrong with it. any DOG, not just pits, for that matter.

 

[beavers]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them. Food servers have a duty to warn patrons that their foods have peanuts in them. But a peanut cannot jump into a mouth on its own.

With pitbulls the issue that THEY are the ones who, on their own, can cause the injury to someone being reasonable and careful.

Well, at my daughter's day care, they banned peanuts because it was the only safe way to ensure that no kids died from a nut allergy. So far, they're batting a 1000

 

[Chaka]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

Yeah that's not quite capturing it. You seem to believe we can simply round the pit bulls up and kill them all. You also believe that if we were able to do that it would cure the problem that you strongly oppose. That is a fantasy. You also intentionally mischaracterize the problem to incite emotional responses.I, and all of the reasonable people in this thread, understand that your former belief is not possible and your latter belief is simply wrong so we try to come up with solutions that might actually work.

 

[Zow]

One of my colleagues has a bull mastif(sp?)/great dane mix which is the size of a dane and as bulky as the mastif. it weights 280 lbs.

:shutter:

 

[beavers]

1. Do all dogs bite?

2. Do all dogs bite with the same intensity?

3. Is it the breed? Owner? or both?

4. Does a pit bull dog ever attack without having something wrong (i.e. poor training, poor living conditions, uneducated owner etc)?

1. Yes, all dogs can bite. 2. What do you mean by intensity? Bite power? Aggression? Ruthlessness?

3. Owner.

4. Yes/no. A dog isn't going to just attack for no reason. There will be a trigger of some sort. Of course each dog (not each breed) is going to be triggered in a different way.

Based on your answer to number 3, do you think there is a genetic component on pit bull aggression?

 

[jomar]

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them.

wrong.....again

 

[Chaka]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them. Food servers have a duty to warn patrons that their foods have peanuts in them. But a peanut cannot jump into a mouth on its own.

With pitbulls the issue that THEY are the ones who, on their own, can cause the injury to someone being reasonable and careful.

Fine. How about swimming pools, ponds, lakes and oceans? Those don't require any external factors to kill.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

1. Do all dogs bite?

2. Do all dogs bite with the same intensity?

3. Is it the breed? Owner? or both?

4. Does a pit bull dog ever attack without having something wrong (i.e. poor training, poor living conditions, uneducated owner etc)?

1. Yes, all dogs can bite. 2. What do you mean by intensity? Bite power? Aggression? Ruthlessness?

3. Owner.

4. Yes/no. A dog isn't going to just attack for no reason. There will be a trigger of some sort. Of course each dog (not each breed) is going to be triggered in a different way.

Based on your answer to number 3, do you think there is a genetic component on pit bull aggression?

No.

 

[jomar]

1. Do all dogs bite?

2. Do all dogs bite with the same intensity?

3. Is it the breed? Owner? or both?

4. Does a pit bull dog ever attack without having something wrong (i.e. poor training, poor living conditions, uneducated owner etc)?

1. Yes, all dogs can bite. 2. What do you mean by intensity? Bite power? Aggression? Ruthlessness?

3. Owner.

4. Yes/no. A dog isn't going to just attack for no reason. There will be a trigger of some sort. Of course each dog (not each breed) is going to be triggered in a different way.

Based on your answer to number 3, do you think there is a genetic component on pit bull aggression?

there is nothing in a Pit Bulls genes in regards to aggression towards humans. dog aggression, certainly possible, but not towards humans

 

[BigSteelThrill]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them. Food servers have a duty to warn patrons that their foods have peanuts in them. But a peanut cannot jump into a mouth on its own.

With pitbulls the issue that THEY are the ones who, on their own, can cause the injury to someone being reasonable and careful.

Zow, it was neither worth the effort nor worthy of the effort to respond to.Before it was Ferraris... now its Peanuts.

 

[beavers]

1. Do all dogs bite?

2. Do all dogs bite with the same intensity?

3. Is it the breed? Owner? or both?

4. Does a pit bull dog ever attack without having something wrong (i.e. poor training, poor living conditions, uneducated owner etc)?

1. Yes, all dogs can bite. 2. What do you mean by intensity? Bite power? Aggression? Ruthlessness?

3. Owner.

4. Yes/no. A dog isn't going to just attack for no reason. There will be a trigger of some sort. Of course each dog (not each breed) is going to be triggered in a different way.

Based on your answer to number 3, do you think there is a genetic component on pit bull aggression?

No. Aggression is not a genetic trait.

Interesting. Then how are temperament and personality traits genetic in humans and not in dogs? I wish MT and or Genedoc would visit to discuss further (if they haven't already).http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1188235/

Nearly all temperament theories presume a biological basis to individual differences in early appearing, enduring behavioral tendencies considered to be temperamental. Consistent with these theories, most dimensions of temperament have demonstrated moderate genetic influences in twin and adoption studies. However, the finding of genetic influences on temperament is only a first step in the understanding of individual differences in early personality development.

 

[Zow]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them. Food servers have a duty to warn patrons that their foods have peanuts in them. But a peanut cannot jump into a mouth on its own.

With pitbulls the issue that THEY are the ones who, on their own, can cause the injury to someone being reasonable and careful.

Fine. How about swimming pools, ponds, lakes and oceans? Those don't require any external factors to kill.

Pretty sure none of those have minds of their own and can chase you down the street.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

1. Do all dogs bite?

2. Do all dogs bite with the same intensity?

3. Is it the breed? Owner? or both?

4. Does a pit bull dog ever attack without having something wrong (i.e. poor training, poor living conditions, uneducated owner etc)?

1. Yes, all dogs can bite. 2. What do you mean by intensity? Bite power? Aggression? Ruthlessness?

3. Owner.

4. Yes/no. A dog isn't going to just attack for no reason. There will be a trigger of some sort. Of course each dog (not each breed) is going to be triggered in a different way.

Based on your answer to number 3, do you think there is a genetic component on pit bull aggression?

No. Aggression is not a genetic trait.

Interesting. Then how are temperament and personality traits genetic in humans and not in dogs? I wish MT and or Genedoc would visit to discuss further (if they haven't already).http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1188235/

Nearly all temperament theories presume a biological basis to individual differences in early appearing, enduring behavioral tendencies considered to be temperamental. Consistent with these theories, most dimensions of temperament have demonstrated moderate genetic influences in twin and adoption studies. However, the finding of genetic influences on temperament is only a first step in the understanding of individual differences in early personality development.

You'll see that I edited my post to take that out. I've read conflicting articles on it and don't believe there is a solid answer one way or the other.

 

[jomar]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them. Food servers have a duty to warn patrons that their foods have peanuts in them. But a peanut cannot jump into a mouth on its own.

With pitbulls the issue that THEY are the ones who, on their own, can cause the injury to someone being reasonable and careful.

Zow, it was neither worth the effort nor worthy of the effort to respond to.Before it was Ferraris... now its Peanuts.

pretty much anything that can be dangerous should be banned. that is, if we are truly interested in saving as many lives as possible. or we can just cherry pick what we think without rhyme or reason and call it a day.

 

[jomar]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them. Food servers have a duty to warn patrons that their foods have peanuts in them. But a peanut cannot jump into a mouth on its own.

With pitbulls the issue that THEY are the ones who, on their own, can cause the injury to someone being reasonable and careful.

Fine. How about swimming pools, ponds, lakes and oceans? Those don't require any external factors to kill.

Pretty sure none of those have minds of their own and can chase you down the street.

true, but things like Ferraris and swimming pools if paired with an irresponsible owner can lead to the death of innocent children.

 

[eoMMan]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them. Food servers have a duty to warn patrons that their foods have peanuts in them. But a peanut cannot jump into a mouth on its own.

With pitbulls the issue that THEY are the ones who, on their own, can cause the injury to someone being reasonable and careful.

Fine. How about swimming pools, ponds, lakes and oceans? Those don't require any external factors to kill.

Pretty sure none of those have minds of their own and can chase you down the street.

The nation is obese anyway and some running would do people good.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them. Food servers have a duty to warn patrons that their foods have peanuts in them. But a peanut cannot jump into a mouth on its own.

With pitbulls the issue that THEY are the ones who, on their own, can cause the injury to someone being reasonable and careful.

Zow, it was neither worth the effort nor worthy of the effort to respond to.Before it was Ferraris... now its Peanuts.

pretty much anything that can be dangerous should be banned. that is, if we are truly interested in saving as many lives as possible. or we can just cherry pick what we think without rhyme or reason and call it a day.

Things that are overly dangerous get banned or restricted.

Like wolves and hyenas, as pets.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them.

wrong.....again

What about pit-bulls that spray peanuts out of their mouths...... at children!!!

 

[Cliff Clavin]

What about greater fines / jail time for owners whose dogs attack?

I would love for all of the pits to fall off into the ocean but you and I both know that's not reality. What's a sensible solution for pit bulls?

I'm pretty sure we're all down with that.

Yeah, that will bring the children back to life.

How's Fantasyland treating you?

How's "It's ok that Pit Bull's kill babies because there are millions of people in the U.S. and only a small percentage of babies get killed by Pits" treating you?

It's all about percentages.Way more people die from peanut allergies each year (even with lots of food packaging warning people of possible peanuts inside) than they do from pitbull attacks.

Should we prevent everyone in the US to stop eating or even owning peanuts....BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL?

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them. Food servers have a duty to warn patrons that their foods have peanuts in them. But a peanut cannot jump into a mouth on its own.

With pitbulls the issue that THEY are the ones who, on their own, can cause the injury to someone being reasonable and careful.

Zow, it was neither worth the effort nor worthy of the effort to respond to.Before it was Ferraris... now its Peanuts.

pretty much anything that can be dangerous should be banned. that is, if we are truly interested in saving as many lives as possible. or we can just cherry pick what we think without rhyme or reason and call it a day.

Things that are overly dangerous get banned or restricted.

Like wolves and hyenas, as pets.

Guns? Alcohol? Tobacco? Bungee jumping? Sky diving?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Bad analogy. We have to consume peanuts in order to die from them.

wrong.....again

What about pit-bulls that spray peanuts out of their mouths...... at children!!!

While driving past them in a Ferrari!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Things that are overly dangerous get banned or restricted.

Like wolves and hyenas, as pets.

Guns? Alcohol? Tobacco? Bungee jumping? Sky diving?

No. Wolves and hyenas.

 

[eoMMan]

The other thing with peanuts is that they are the silent killer. With a pitbull, he might bark, pant, etc. and you'll know he's there. With peanuts, they can show up out of nowhere on your plate and....BAM!....you're dead. It's not cool.

Peanuts need to be banned before pitbulls, imo.

 

[TwinTurbo]

This week I was walking down 6th ave in NYC and I noticed some guy tying up their pit bull's leash to a sign post so he could apparently go shop in a cupcake store. It was a beautiful dog and seemed well-behaved, but what kind of clown leaves their pit bull tied up on a busy street in midtown NYC? On my way back a few min later, the dog is still there with no owner in sight. I go into the store and there was already another guy yelling at the owner about leaving the dog unattended, all while the fat ### owner is sitting there eating a cupcake.