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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (2 Viewers)

Question because there seem to be a few "I'll kill the dog and owner" types in here: Do we think that killing the pit bull owner if his/her dog kills your child is on the same level as the father in Texas who killed his 5 year old daughter's rapist but was not prosecuted?I completely support the Texas dad and I absolutely agree with not prosecuting him. He walked in and found his daughter being raped, any man (or woman likely) would see red in that situation and the rapist deserved to die. And I can completely understand any person seeing their child get attacked by a dog killing the dog. It's instinct to protect your child. As I have stated I am all for holding dog owners criminally responsible for the actions of their animals (and increasing said punishments) however the step between killing the dog and then attacking the owner no longer seems like a crime of passion to me. Does the dog attack father deserve the same protection as the Texas father received in the eyes of the criminal justice system if he attacks and kills the dog owner? It's a tough one for me and I am very open to having my mind changed here but my initial thought is, no he doesn't deserve the same protection even if the dog killed his child. It just seems like there is a big enough step between killing the dog and attacking the owner that it is no longer an act of passion and merely becomes vigilante justice.
If someone facilitates - intentionally or otherwise - killing my child via a dog, then I'm perfectly comfortable taking action so that dog owner can never facilitate injuring another child again.
I know that, you said it already. It is your attitude that spawned the question. I presume your answer is no you don't think a father should be prosecuted for killing the dog and the owner, regardless of whether or not the owner was present at the time.
The father should not be prosecuted for killing the dog, regardless of whether present at the time. The father probably should be prosecuted for killing the owner....if not there at the time. That said, if the father beats the owner instead...yeah, no prosecution required.
 
My question was one of clarification on how "ok" he was with the "if the dog kills someone the owner dies too" law. It seems to be pretty black and white to him even though the scenario I presented SHOULD invoke a slight bit of thought to the law. Apparently I was wrong there.
Just an FYI, I'm pretty lenient on how I think the death penalty should be used. We have a whole lot of trash that society would be better off without.If you take the same scenario of a kid bringing friends over but replace the dog with a gun, do you think the owner of the gun should be at fault? What type of punishment would be warranted?
The dog and gun aren't analogous so I don't know what you get from bringing it up in this context, but if a kid dies because of a gun in the house, the owner of the gun would be responsible IMO. Again, the gun is an object and the dog is an animal. Two different things as it pertains to this discussion.
They are different things but negligence of the owner of the dog/gun if what leads to accident/deaths. If a gun owner stores his guns properly, accidents don't happen. If a dog owner trains his dog properly, attacks don't happen.
This is a fallacy.
That is your opinion and something that we won't agree on then.
Not really an opinion actually. Just common sense. To believe what you do, you'd have to believe the owner is 100% in control of the animal's actions, which means the owner's 100% in control of the animal's brain. That simply can't be true. Training an animal can get you to 99% control in most cases, it's that other 1% that's the problem. This goes for any animal and we see proof of it all the time.
 
My question was one of clarification on how "ok" he was with the "if the dog kills someone the owner dies too" law. It seems to be pretty black and white to him even though the scenario I presented SHOULD invoke a slight bit of thought to the law. Apparently I was wrong there.
Just an FYI, I'm pretty lenient on how I think the death penalty should be used. We have a whole lot of trash that society would be better off without.If you take the same scenario of a kid bringing friends over but replace the dog with a gun, do you think the owner of the gun should be at fault? What type of punishment would be warranted?
The dog and gun aren't analogous so I don't know what you get from bringing it up in this context, but if a kid dies because of a gun in the house, the owner of the gun would be responsible IMO. Again, the gun is an object and the dog is an animal. Two different things as it pertains to this discussion.
They are different things but negligence of the owner of the dog/gun if what leads to accident/deaths. If a gun owner stores his guns properly, accidents don't happen. If a dog owner trains his dog properly, attacks don't happen.
This is a fallacy.
That is your opinion and something that we won't agree on then.
Using the same logic a child raised properly will never commit crimes. But I'm pretty sure we can all agree that children from good households with loving parents who did everything they could to bring their children up right still commit crimes, sometimes heinous crimes.
 
My question was one of clarification on how "ok" he was with the "if the dog kills someone the owner dies too" law. It seems to be pretty black and white to him even though the scenario I presented SHOULD invoke a slight bit of thought to the law. Apparently I was wrong there.
Just an FYI, I'm pretty lenient on how I think the death penalty should be used. We have a whole lot of trash that society would be better off without.If you take the same scenario of a kid bringing friends over but replace the dog with a gun, do you think the owner of the gun should be at fault? What type of punishment would be warranted?
The dog and gun aren't analogous so I don't know what you get from bringing it up in this context, but if a kid dies because of a gun in the house, the owner of the gun would be responsible IMO. Again, the gun is an object and the dog is an animal. Two different things as it pertains to this discussion.
They are different things but negligence of the owner of the dog/gun if what leads to accident/deaths. If a gun owner stores his guns properly, accidents don't happen. If a dog owner trains his dog properly, attacks don't happen.
This is a fallacy.
That is your opinion and something that we won't agree on then.
This cant truly be your opinion. No sane person believes dogs are robotic and can always be trained.
 
I ran into my friends at the park last night, who are in the process of trying to reform a pit bull who has been chained to a tree for the first year of her life. The pit is not doing well at all. They said she's unpredictable - one moment she'll be fine and the next, they're worried that she'll jump the fence and off she goes. They have hired a dog whisperer and there has been no significant rehabilitation. They mentioned the possibility of putting her down. I offered sympathies, but the reality is, the dog is dangerous. I won't visit until the dog is no longer in the house. What's eye catching is that they know the dog is dangerous but haven't put her down yet. What if she accidentally escapes and critically injures someone?
Update: I stopped by my friends house Saturday night. I asked how their newly adopted kitten was doing. They said there was a mishap -- "Pigs" the pit bull picked up the kitten with her mouth, severely injuring her. The kitten was rushed to the emergency vet and they had to put her to sleep because she could not overcome her injuries.
 
I ran into my friends at the park last night, who are in the process of trying to reform a pit bull who has been chained to a tree for the first year of her life. The pit is not doing well at all. They said she's unpredictable - one moment she'll be fine and the next, they're worried that she'll jump the fence and off she goes. They have hired a dog whisperer and there has been no significant rehabilitation. They mentioned the possibility of putting her down. I offered sympathies, but the reality is, the dog is dangerous. I won't visit until the dog is no longer in the house. What's eye catching is that they know the dog is dangerous but haven't put her down yet. What if she accidentally escapes and critically injures someone?
Update: I stopped by my friends house Saturday night. I asked how their newly adopted kitten was doing. They said there was a mishap -- "Pigs" the pit bull picked up the kitten with her mouth, severely injuring her. The kitten was rushed to the emergency vet and they had to put her to sleep because she could not overcome her injuries.
Some people make me wonder. How'd they think it was a good idea to have a kitten in the same house with a rehabing pitbull.
 
I ran into my friends at the park last night, who are in the process of trying to reform a pit bull who has been chained to a tree for the first year of her life. The pit is not doing well at all. They said she's unpredictable - one moment she'll be fine and the next, they're worried that she'll jump the fence and off she goes. They have hired a dog whisperer and there has been no significant rehabilitation. They mentioned the possibility of putting her down. I offered sympathies, but the reality is, the dog is dangerous. I won't visit until the dog is no longer in the house. What's eye catching is that they know the dog is dangerous but haven't put her down yet. What if she accidentally escapes and critically injures someone?
Update: I stopped by my friends house Saturday night. I asked how their newly adopted kitten was doing. They said there was a mishap -- "Pigs" the pit bull picked up the kitten with her mouth, severely injuring her. The kitten was rushed to the emergency vet and they had to put her to sleep because she could not overcome her injuries.
Why would they put a kitten in the presence of a dog that is having a hard time being rehabilitated?A neighbor of a good friend of mine recently had one her cats killed by one of her dogs. For an unknown reason, the 5 year old dog attacked the 10 year old cat in the house. The animals had lived in harmony until then. The dog is a black german shephard.
 
I ran into my friends at the park last night, who are in the process of trying to reform a pit bull who has been chained to a tree for the first year of her life. The pit is not doing well at all. They said she's unpredictable - one moment she'll be fine and the next, they're worried that she'll jump the fence and off she goes. They have hired a dog whisperer and there has been no significant rehabilitation. They mentioned the possibility of putting her down. I offered sympathies, but the reality is, the dog is dangerous. I won't visit until the dog is no longer in the house. What's eye catching is that they know the dog is dangerous but haven't put her down yet. What if she accidentally escapes and critically injures someone?
Update: I stopped by my friends house Saturday night. I asked how their newly adopted kitten was doing. They said there was a mishap -- "Pigs" the pit bull picked up the kitten with her mouth, severely injuring her. The kitten was rushed to the emergency vet and they had to put her to sleep because she could not overcome her injuries.
Some people make me wonder. How'd they think it was a good idea to have a kitten in the same house with a rehabing pitbull.
Good question. I don't know if the cat needed a home and they decided to take her in? They rehabbed a pit / boxer mix before so I'm not sure they were expecting this. They obviously love animals so they have a soft spot for housing animals that are abandoned.
 
I ran into my friends at the park last night, who are in the process of trying to reform a pit bull who has been chained to a tree for the first year of her life. The pit is not doing well at all. They said she's unpredictable - one moment she'll be fine and the next, they're worried that she'll jump the fence and off she goes. They have hired a dog whisperer and there has been no significant rehabilitation. They mentioned the possibility of putting her down. I offered sympathies, but the reality is, the dog is dangerous. I won't visit until the dog is no longer in the house. What's eye catching is that they know the dog is dangerous but haven't put her down yet. What if she accidentally escapes and critically injures someone?
Update: I stopped by my friends house Saturday night. I asked how their newly adopted kitten was doing. They said there was a mishap -- "Pigs" the pit bull picked up the kitten with her mouth, severely injuring her. The kitten was rushed to the emergency vet and they had to put her to sleep because she could not overcome her injuries.
Some people make me wonder. How'd they think it was a good idea to have a kitten in the same house with a rehabing pitbull.
Good question. I don't know if the cat needed a home and they decided to take her in? They rehabbed a pit / boxer mix before so I'm not sure they were expecting this. They obviously love animals so they have a soft spot for housing animals that are abandoned.
Hopefully they learn from this.
 
I ran into my friends at the park last night, who are in the process of trying to reform a pit bull who has been chained to a tree for the first year of her life. The pit is not doing well at all. They said she's unpredictable - one moment she'll be fine and the next, they're worried that she'll jump the fence and off she goes. They have hired a dog whisperer and there has been no significant rehabilitation. They mentioned the possibility of putting her down. I offered sympathies, but the reality is, the dog is dangerous. I won't visit until the dog is no longer in the house. What's eye catching is that they know the dog is dangerous but haven't put her down yet. What if she accidentally escapes and critically injures someone?
Update: I stopped by my friends house Saturday night. I asked how their newly adopted kitten was doing. They said there was a mishap -- "Pigs" the pit bull picked up the kitten with her mouth, severely injuring her. The kitten was rushed to the emergency vet and they had to put her to sleep because she could not overcome her injuries.
Some people make me wonder. How'd they think it was a good idea to have a kitten in the same house with a rehabing pitbull.
Good question. I don't know if the cat needed a home and they decided to take her in? They rehabbed a pit / boxer mix before so I'm not sure they were expecting this. They obviously love animals so they have a soft spot for housing animals that are abandoned.
Hopefully they learn from this.
They were pretty upset about it so I'm pretty sure they did.
 
A neighbor of a good friend of mine recently had one her cats killed by one of her dogs. For an unknown reason, the 5 year old dog attacked the 10 year old cat in the house. The animals had lived in harmony until then. The dog is a black german shephard.
this sounds a little too familiar :unsure:can't imagine my dog turning on my cat, but i'm sure it's not impossible.
 
I ran into my friends at the park last night, who are in the process of trying to reform a pit bull who has been chained to a tree for the first year of her life. The pit is not doing well at all. They said she's unpredictable - one moment she'll be fine and the next, they're worried that she'll jump the fence and off she goes. They have hired a dog whisperer and there has been no significant rehabilitation. They mentioned the possibility of putting her down. I offered sympathies, but the reality is, the dog is dangerous. I won't visit until the dog is no longer in the house. What's eye catching is that they know the dog is dangerous but haven't put her down yet. What if she accidentally escapes and critically injures someone?
Update: I stopped by my friends house Saturday night. I asked how their newly adopted kitten was doing. They said there was a mishap -- "Pigs" the pit bull picked up the kitten with her mouth, severely injuring her. The kitten was rushed to the emergency vet and they had to put her to sleep because she could not overcome her injuries.
Some people make me wonder. How'd they think it was a good idea to have a kitten in the same house with a rehabing pitbull.
Good question. I don't know if the cat needed a home and they decided to take her in? They rehabbed a pit / boxer mix before so I'm not sure they were expecting this. They obviously love animals so they have a soft spot for housing animals that are abandoned.
Hopefully they learn from this.
Don't put an easter duck in the same cage as an easter rabbit either. DOES NOT END WELL.
 
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60-year-old grandmother killed by family pit bull

By NBC News staff

A 60-year-old woman was killed Wednesday by a pit bull terrier owned by her family in Oklahoma City, police said.

Officers with the Oklahoma City Police Department said Nellie Davis’ granddaughter found her body in her home at about 11:30 p.m. The granddaughter had returned to the apartment and discovered that her grandmother had been attacked by one of the family’s two large pit bulls, according to police.

When police arrived, they attempted to force the pit bull into a crate, but, police said, they were forced to shoot due to the crate’s broken lock.

Homicide detectives are investigating Davis’ death, and patrol supervisors are investigating the shooting of the dog.

Earlier this week, police in Burleson, Texas, said a 3-month-old baby boy died after being mauled by the family’s pit bull. The infant apparently was attacked while lying asleep on a bed; he was pronounced dead at a hospital.

The dog was euthanized by Burleson Animal Control.
 
Pit bulls go on a rampage; attack 4 people in 30 minutes.http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/13/police-four-attacked-by-pit-bulls-in-lakeview/

 
Whenever I'm at the dog park and someone brings in a pit bull, it's time to go. It's happened several times in the past few months, some well-meaning dolt brings their sweet shmoopsy in to play with the other dogs and it freaking growls and gets aggressive, the owner says "Play nice Shmoopsy!" but it doesn't stop, all the dogs get stressed out and inevitably another alpha challenges the pit bull and they have to be separated. Of course the activity attracts all the dogs, so you have owners pulling their dogs out of the scrum. Huge cluster#### because of one bad apple. They really should be banned.

 
Pit bulls and other dogs like that get a bad rap, because of what stupid people do with them. They're usually very good family dogs, and will help protect children as well.I read somewhere that most dog bites that get reported are from smaller breeds, like dachshunds, chihuahuas, and such, probably because they're smaller and they feel they have to be aggressive because of their size.

 
Wow, an attack every four months. Oh the humanity?
Wow, your reading skills and comprehension are beyond bad. Two links above, 3 different attacks. One in NY where 2 pit bulls attack 4 different people, sort of like serial killers. One in Oklahoma where a "family" pet kills a grandmother and one in Texas where a "family" pet kills a 3 month old while the baby slept on a bed.
 
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Pit bulls and other dogs like that get a bad rap, because of what stupid people do with them. They're usually very good family dogs, and will help protect children as well.

I read somewhere that most dog bites that get reported are from smaller breeds, like dachshunds, chihuahuas, and such, probably because they're smaller and they feel they have to be aggressive because of their size.
:lmao: Amazing homerism here. Very good family dogs, huh? 2 of the 3 attacks above in the last week that ended up in deaths were family dogs. So, are we to assume that these are Michael Vick bred dogs since they appear to live in the house or are these typical family dogs.

Oh, I'm sorry, you said "usually", so they are usually OK and will protect the family, but in the unusual case all they do is kill a family member. Yep, sounds like a good family pet to have.

Love your line on smaller breeds. Did you read that somewhere on a pit bull breeding site? First, not sure I believe it. Second, while I am sure that chihuahuas have bit people before, but I don't think you understand the difference between biting someone's hand versus mauling someone to death.

 
Pit bulls and other dogs like that get a bad rap, because of what stupid people do with them. They're usually very good family dogs, and will help protect children as well.
I don't doubt that there are pristine bloodlines out there, and plenty of dogs that are docile and perfect family pets, but there are too many examples of attacks and aggressiveness in the breed. I assume it is because of the fighting characteristics that have been bred into many generations of these dogs. And you have breeders assuring people that their dogs don't have those bloodlines, when really they have no idea. All 8-week old puppies are cute and harmless, so buyers don't know what they're getting either.
 
Wow, an attack every four months. Oh the humanity?
Wow, your reading skills and comprehension are beyond bad. Two links above, 3 different attacks. One in NY where 2 pit bulls attack 4 different people, sort of like serial killers. One in Oklahoma where a "family" pet kills a grandmother and one in Texas where a "family" pet kills a 3 month old while the baby slept on a bed.
The post about the Oklahoma attack was on Sept 27, 2012, guy.
 
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Wow, an attack every four months. Oh the humanity?
Wow, your reading skills and comprehension are beyond bad. Two links above, 3 different attacks. One in NY where 2 pit bulls attack 4 different people, sort of like serial killers. One in Oklahoma where a "family" pet kills a grandmother and one in Texas where a "family" pet kills a 3 month old while the baby slept on a bed.
The post about the Oklahoma attack was on Sept 27, 2012, guy.
Quote from that article, guy. Is 2 > 1 or am I missing something?
Earlier this week, police in Burleson, Texas, said a 3-month-old baby boy died after being mauled by the familys pit bull.
Mauling and Death in 2 different Attacks in January
Perpetuators of this myth also cannot account for the many instances in which pit bull owners and family members are victimized by their pet dogs. From 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans, about one citizen every 19 days. Of these deaths, 52% involved a family member and a household pit bull.4 Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011, nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner. One victim was an "avid supporter" of Bad Rap, a recipient of Michael Vick's dogs
Not even talking about attacks, these numbers are just deaths. First two links on Google. How do you like them apples, guy?
 
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I always find it amusing when pit bull owners place cute pictures of their dogs online - you know, those videos of pits playing with children or in a situation that makes them, well, look cute. But we all know that you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. Not buying it ...

 
I always find it amusing when pit bull owners place cute pictures of their dogs online - you know, those videos of pits playing with children or in a situation that makes them, well, look cute. But we all know that you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. Not buying it ...
Well I'm happy to have amused you.
 
I find myself in a small predicament When we rescued our dog, we were told that she was a black lab. A few people have mentioned that she could be a black lab/pit bill mix. There is no doubt she is part lab. Our vet said he didn't even see anything else in her. Problem is that she is an awesome dog and we all love her. She is about 10 months old. I am a first time dog owner and I'm not sure what to do. I don't want her hurting anyone yet, I'm not sure she is any part pit. I know there are tests out there. I am not sure i want to get one because if it comes back pit bull I am not sure what I would do.

 
Here's an article showing that labs were the leading breed of bites in Omaha around 2010-2011, why don't we just go ahead and ban all labs?http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2011/03/labs-lead-in-dog-bites-in-omaha-and-eventually-the-media-will-ask-the-right-question.html

 
I find myself in a small predicament When we rescued our dog, we were told that she was a black lab. A few people have mentioned that she could be a black lab/pit bill mix. There is no doubt she is part lab. Our vet said he didn't even see anything else in her. Problem is that she is an awesome dog and we all love her. She is about 10 months old. I am a first time dog owner and I'm not sure what to do. I don't want her hurting anyone yet, I'm not sure she is any part pit. I know there are tests out there. I am not sure i want to get one because if it comes back pit bull I am not sure what I would do.
better be safe and immediately take the dog out back and put her down. you can never be too safe when it comes to pitbulls or even any dog that might possibly be a pitbull. this dog could attack at any time!!!!!!!
 
I find myself in a small predicament When we rescued our dog, we were told that she was a black lab. A few people have mentioned that she could be a black lab/pit bill mix. There is no doubt she is part lab. Our vet said he didn't even see anything else in her. Problem is that she is an awesome dog and we all love her. She is about 10 months old. I am a first time dog owner and I'm not sure what to do. I don't want her hurting anyone yet, I'm not sure she is any part pit. I know there are tests out there. I am not sure i want to get one because if it comes back pit bull I am not sure what I would do.
better be safe and immediately take the dog out back and put her down. you can never be too safe when it comes to pitbulls or even any dog that might possibly be a pitbull. this dog could attack at any time!!!!!!!
thanks. just did it
 
woman, 91, mauled to death by her pit bullshttp://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/11/police-woman-91-was-mauled-to-death-by-her-2-pit-bulls/

 
man uses (illegal) gun to protect boy from Pit Bullshttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/23/man-who-shot-dogs-biting-boy-could-face-charges/

 
I find myself in a small predicament When we rescued our dog, we were told that she was a black lab. A few people have mentioned that she could be a black lab/pit bill mix. There is no doubt she is part lab. Our vet said he didn't even see anything else in her. Problem is that she is an awesome dog and we all love her. She is about 10 months old. I am a first time dog owner and I'm not sure what to do. I don't want her hurting anyone yet, I'm not sure she is any part pit. I know there are tests out there. I am not sure i want to get one because if it comes back pit bull I am not sure what I would do.
Does it have the crazy eyes?? True pit bulls have those crazy eyes, you can't miss it.
 
Autistic boy rescues 80 yeal old from pit bullhttp://www.wkbw.com/news/have-you-seen-this/Autistic-Boy-Rescues-80-Year-Old-Woman-From-Pit-Bull-Attack-191254761.html

 
Pit bulls maul 7-year-old Buckeye boy
BUCKEYE, Ariz. -A little boy is recovering in a hospital after being mauled by his neighbor's dogs.In the attack, 7-year-old Paul Conley's ear was torn off and he was left with marks all over his body.According to Paul's mother, Stephanie Payne, her 6-year-old son told her his brother was pulled over a neighboring home's backyard fence by the pit bulls. She ran over to the fence and looked over it to see the two dogs attacking her son."There's a pit bull on the side of his face and there's one with his arm in his mouth," recalled Stephanie."I was looking over the gate and there was a dog by the gate and I got afraid and it jumped and pulled me down," said Paul.Stephanie and neighbors distracted the pit bulls any way they could -- even allowing the dogs bite their arms until police officers arrived at the scene near 219th Drive and Solano Drive.Paul managed to get to safety on top a small dog house in the yard -- bleeding and wounded.After authorities got the dogs under control, they rushed Paul to Phoenix Children's Hospital."It's one of those things where you hear about it, but you never think it would happen to you," said Stephanie. "Especially when he's the most selfless kid in the world. When we asked him..a friend of ours was like, 'we'll take care of those dogs,' and he looked up and said, 'No. I don't want you to go over there. I don't want you to get bit.'"Besides losing his left ear, Paul suffered 14 lacerations on his right arm, 16 lacerations on his left arm, 17 lacerations to his left leg and a severely mangled right ear. He faces a long road to recovery.The dogs remain in the backyard of the home, which has a notice on it that the dogs have bitten someone. The owners haven't been home since.Stephanie says her main concerns are to make sure her son gets through this ordeal and other children are not exposed to this danger. Paul remains hospitalized after undergoing two surgeries, since the attack which took place on Friday."Don't have time to be angry because I have to be strong for him. Deep down inside I'm angry, I'm angry these dogs are still in my backyard. I have other children at home. I'm angry these owners have yet to contact me to see if my son is alive or dead," says Stephanie.Buckeye Police say there is no way the dogs could have jumped up and grabbed Paul Conley from the other side of the fence. Animal Care and Control will decide what will become of the dogs.
 
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