Cold Dead Hands
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I tend to disciminate against the dogs that try to bite me as opposed to those that do not.
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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
But we are told that the problem is irresponsible owners - if so, then for that to matter there has to be a way to tell which ones are irresponsible BEFORE their dogs injure someone. Otherwise, who gives a ####?
jabarony
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Pit owners are known for being upstanding ctitzens who contribute much to society. They can often times be found taking in operas, reading the classics, or building habitats for those less fortunate. Without a doubt, some of our best and brightest.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
El Floppo
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Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
It is without a doubt the owners. No breed can stand by and watch a child wander past their food dish without lashing out with deadly intent. None. Ever. I mean, dogs are basically wolves. And would you walk near a wolves kill. No. All on the owner here.
Also, sarcasm.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
sadly, a google search with all major large dog breeds show the same results.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
There's your answer....whoever can't control/contain their pet is an irresponsible owner.
matuski
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Jobber
Footballguy
Joking aside, the simple fact that these people chose a tough sounding name "diesel" tells you a lot.
Card Trader
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IC FBGCav
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If Pit Bulls have been bred for generations not to bite people, why is it that we seem to hear so many gruesome accounts of Pit Bull attacks? One reason is that stories about aggressive Pit Bulls are more sensational than stories about equally aggressive dogs from a breed with a more benign reputation. The media is far more likely to report on a problem Pit Bull than a problem Golden Retriever. Also, greater public awareness of Pit Bulls has increased the likelihood that any muscular, short-coated dog with a large head will be identified as a Pit Bull, particularly if it has been involved in an attack.
But claims of media bias cannot be used to explain away the times when Pit Bulls have truly bitten, sometimes with tragic consequences. The fact that dogs described as Pit Bulls are responsible for more than their fair share of human bites (particularly those that result in the worst injuries) can’t be ignored.1,2,3 What has gone wrong in these instances?
In some cases, breeders need to take responsibility for producing vicious dogs. Conscientious breeders carefully select only the best individuals for use in their programs and routinely produce wonderful animals. But, if someone instead seeks out Pit Bulls that act aggressively towards people and mates them to each other or to any other aggressive dog, years of proper breeding can be undone in just a generation or two.
Many times, owners are to blame. Pit Bulls are extremely trainable and want nothing more than to please their owners. Unfortunately, if an immoral person wants their Pit Bull to be aggressive towards people and he or she rewards this behavior, the dog is likely to act in the way that his owner has intended. Also, dogs that have been neglected, abused or poorly socialized are more likely to be aggressive. If a Pit Bull has had only unpleasant dealings with people or has no experience with strangers, it should not come as too great of a surprise when he lashes out.
Studies published in 2009 and 2012 confirm that owners of dog breeds known for being “vicious” (including Pit Bulls) have higher incidences of criminal thinking and behavior, primary psychopathy, and antisocial tendencies in comparison to other dog owners.4,5 It seems obvious that certain breeds of dogs attract certain types of people, and if those owners act in aggressive ways it shouldn’t be too surprising that they train their dogs to behave in a similar manner.
Finally, sometimes the process of reproduction, development, and aging goes astray. In a particular dog, genes may combine in just the wrong way producing an individual that is very different from what is normal. Although the majority of Pit Bulls are born gentle and trustworthy, a specific individual may not be. Diseases or injuries that cause pain or adversely affect brain function may also be responsible for turning a good dog, regardless of its breed, into a potential threat.
http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2013/june/truth-about-pit-bulls-part-three-30423
But claims of media bias cannot be used to explain away the times when Pit Bulls have truly bitten, sometimes with tragic consequences. The fact that dogs described as Pit Bulls are responsible for more than their fair share of human bites (particularly those that result in the worst injuries) can’t be ignored.1,2,3 What has gone wrong in these instances?
In some cases, breeders need to take responsibility for producing vicious dogs. Conscientious breeders carefully select only the best individuals for use in their programs and routinely produce wonderful animals. But, if someone instead seeks out Pit Bulls that act aggressively towards people and mates them to each other or to any other aggressive dog, years of proper breeding can be undone in just a generation or two.
Many times, owners are to blame. Pit Bulls are extremely trainable and want nothing more than to please their owners. Unfortunately, if an immoral person wants their Pit Bull to be aggressive towards people and he or she rewards this behavior, the dog is likely to act in the way that his owner has intended. Also, dogs that have been neglected, abused or poorly socialized are more likely to be aggressive. If a Pit Bull has had only unpleasant dealings with people or has no experience with strangers, it should not come as too great of a surprise when he lashes out.
Studies published in 2009 and 2012 confirm that owners of dog breeds known for being “vicious” (including Pit Bulls) have higher incidences of criminal thinking and behavior, primary psychopathy, and antisocial tendencies in comparison to other dog owners.4,5 It seems obvious that certain breeds of dogs attract certain types of people, and if those owners act in aggressive ways it shouldn’t be too surprising that they train their dogs to behave in a similar manner.
Finally, sometimes the process of reproduction, development, and aging goes astray. In a particular dog, genes may combine in just the wrong way producing an individual that is very different from what is normal. Although the majority of Pit Bulls are born gentle and trustworthy, a specific individual may not be. Diseases or injuries that cause pain or adversely affect brain function may also be responsible for turning a good dog, regardless of its breed, into a potential threat.
http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2013/june/truth-about-pit-bulls-part-three-30423
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bigbottom
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I was told in training that when you play tug of war with a toy, when you tire of the game, you shouldn't let the dog have it. Rather, you should take the toy and store it away for a period of time. That way, the dog doesn't think that it has "won" and is now the alpha.Yeah. I have never had a food aggressive dog. Was always taught that its good to hand feed them occasionally as puppies, so they're used to hands in their food being a positive thing and practice taking highly value toys, like bullysticks, away from them and then giving them back.Teaching your dog that it's ok to have others around their food is one of the first trainings you're supposed to do. The second that thing growls, you have to correct it.
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
We don't do "tug of war" with our dog to steer clear of this altogether.I was told in training that when you play tug of war with a toy, when you tire of the game, you shouldn't let the dog have it. Rather, you should take the toy and store it away for a period of time. That way, the dog doesn't think that it has "won" and is now the alpha.Yeah. I have never had a food aggressive dog. Was always taught that its good to hand feed them occasionally as puppies, so they're used to hands in their food being a positive thing and practice taking highly value toys, like bullysticks, away from them and then giving them back.
Ditkaless Wonders
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Correct.I was told in training that when you play tug of war with a toy, when you tire of the game, you shouldn't let the dog have it. Rather, you should take the toy and store it away for a period of time. That way, the dog doesn't think that it has "won" and is now the alpha.Yeah. I have never had a food aggressive dog. Was always taught that its good to hand feed them occasionally as puppies, so they're used to hands in their food being a positive thing and practice taking highly value toys, like bullysticks, away from them and then giving them back.
For the same reason I never let the dog sleep in my place on the bed. My wife will let the dog on the bed, particularly when I am not around. Often it will try to sneak into my side. Sometimes it does this because it misses my scent (It lays in my laundry pile if my wife dumps the hamper) and sometimes, who knows, but because that is where the 'bid Dog' sleeps. When I see this I simply stare at the dog and it slinks back to where it belongs. My wife thinks this is cruel. I say this is why the dog always comes when I call it, regardless of circumstances, and rarely does when she calls it. My dog has no doubts as to who is in charge. None of my dogs over the years had any doubt.
bigbottom
Footballguy
I think the advice was the same with respect to playing fetch as well.We don't do "tug of war" with our dog to steer clear of this altogether.I was told in training that when you play tug of war with a toy, when you tire of the game, you shouldn't let the dog have it. Rather, you should take the toy and store it away for a period of time. That way, the dog doesn't think that it has "won" and is now the alpha.Yeah. I have never had a food aggressive dog. Was always taught that its good to hand feed them occasionally as puppies, so they're used to hands in their food being a positive thing and practice taking highly value toys, like bullysticks, away from them and then giving them back.
modogg
Footballguy
yikes, reading some of the comments in here I am more concerned about the owners and dogs in here then I am about most pitbulls I would encounter. The need to stare down your dog in a threatening way, as some form of training or showing him who is the "alpha" in the house, is just way off. Maybe this is the continued Cesar way of dog training, but has always been very strange approach.
With that said though, I will say it can be effective (depending on the dog's personality). My parents got a rescue husky from a rescue place. Wonderful dog, that never even attempts to get on the couch or anything. Dog is also half-nuts and can't be left alone because of all the trauma the previous owner gave it. So sure it works, but just get a robot if you want something like that
With that said though, I will say it can be effective (depending on the dog's personality). My parents got a rescue husky from a rescue place. Wonderful dog, that never even attempts to get on the couch or anything. Dog is also half-nuts and can't be left alone because of all the trauma the previous owner gave it. So sure it works, but just get a robot if you want something like that
modogg
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Nice. i guess you should get credit for not suggesting I'm a minority or any other possible characteristic you want to attach to pit-bull owners. Completely asinine and ignorant comments, but i guess i shouldn't expect anything else from people who feel that a certain breed of dog would be the devil incarnate.I would love to know if this applies to any other domesticated species. Is there a cat breed that is the embodiment of evil? Fish maybe, turtle or lizard?
dgreen
Footballguy
Our puppy just hit 1 year, so I'd love to talk dog training. But, maybe we can leave this thread to all the pit bull hysteria and create an official dog-guys thread?
Card Trader
Footballguy
Just idiots that own Pit Bulls. Luckily most of these mental midgets are in neighborhoods that most people who don't have to go to a check cashing place on payday, stay away from, but occasionally you'll find some of these idiots in civilized society...which is what people are upset about.
I would love to know if this applies to any other domesticated species. Is there a cat breed that is the embodiment of evil? Fish maybe, turtle or lizard?
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Siamese cats are kind of #######s.
I would love to know if this applies to any other domesticated species. Is there a cat breed that is the embodiment of evil? Fish maybe, turtle or lizard?
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Dogs are inherently pack animals. They need to know very clearly where they fit within that structure if they are to be secure.modogg said:
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
If your neighbor has a pit bull there is about an 80% chance they are running a drug house.
Nope, just pitt bulls and their inbred owners.modogg said:Card Trader said:
I would love to know if this applies to any other domesticated species. Is there a cat breed that is the embodiment of evil? Fish maybe, turtle or lizard?
You are correct. Bad luck from a black cat is just as worrisome as a pit bull mauling a kid. Oh wait one happens and the other is a fairy tale.
Either that or they realize the risk of owning animals that have shown the propensity and ability to rip people to shreds. I'm sure we could domesticate wild boars, mountain lions and coyotes too if we were foolish enough . I'm fine with people owning pitt bulls under one premise: If the dogs attacks someone and kills/memes them then the owner is thrown into the lion den at the local zoo. If you are willing to sign off on that agreement then I say own all you want.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Another option is maybe, at least one of us works directly with dog bite cases and the aftermath of them. Maybe that one person sees a handful of serious bite cases a year that are not related to Pitts. If we continue down this line of reasoning, maybe these bites aren't isolated to the rough neighborhoods or the bad owners. Maybe?
modogg
Footballguy
i won't argue with facts if that is your experience. I think one thing we can all agree with in this thread is that pitts do attracts many of the idiots in this world, and thus are untrained and are often behind the incidents. I also would be interested to see the percent of pitts out of all the dogs in the particular area you work as well. maybe you see more bites by "pitts" (loose term because a portion of "pitt" attacks are from the simplification of the breed of dog) because there are simply more pitts where you are. I am in an urban area and every local shelter or rescue is 90-95% pitts (because plenty of dumb ### owners don't spay or neuter their pets or they get the dog than let it go after a few months, etc.) so of course if there is a dog bite there is 90% chance it is a pitt.
my numbers are not precise but i know this point has been argued in this thread before. it is a vortex in here
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Lots of dogs bite every year. All breeds bite. Few do the damage that a Pitt can do regardless of normal temperment. Have as many if not more Lab bites. The difference? Labs rarely cause more than superficial damage. That is the Pitt issue. They are not meaner than other dogs but are categorically more dangerous than other breeds by a large margin.
Otis
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I don't care to read all this, but please tell me morons aren't defending these child-killers in here? Please. This world is too screwed up with more complex problems than this, if I still have to have a debate with some hillbilly based up in a trailer park about the unnecessary risk his stupid animal introduces into his neighborhood, I might just have to move to Syria and go on pit bull jihad.
Jesus, people. Of all the problems we've got, this one isn't hard.
Jesus, people. Of all the problems we've got, this one isn't hard.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
How about the owner of ANY breed of dog be held responsible for the incident?
Unless we are gonna go the route of if a drunk driver kills someone then they get run over by a semi truck. Seems like that would be what you're going for here.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
No. Take it one step at a time. Then reassess. And take more steps (or undo previous ones) as needed.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
comfortably numb
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
"What's telling in this scenario (is) the viciousness of these animals, the fact that they removed this child from the mother's grasp."
Card Trader
Footballguy
Idiot pit owners are always so quick to try to find another animal that has done something similar, as if their one time anecdotal example is the same as the hundreds of pit attacks.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Or they ignore how these pitbulls are doing exactly what they were designed to do.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
I may have misunderstood you, but when I asked the question of what the acceptable kill limit for a breed should be I took that you meant killed before means that breed should be taken out as well. did I mistake what you were saying?
steelerfan1
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
To kill. To go for the under-neck (if possible) and never let go until the life is removed from its target. Literally bred to kill before fear of anything else, overriding its own safety.
That's how they were bred. That's what they do.
shady inc
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