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You are dreaming of Fitz/AJ at the turn next year... (1 Viewer)

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I've only gone WR/WR with my first two picks once in my life, and I had a lousy season.

So for the sake of superstition, I won't do it. But..... what a crazy tandem that would be. :thumbup:

 
I have a feeling both may be gone by the turn next year. The tide is turning towards WRs in fantasy drafts already and after this season I can see it continuing.

 
I have Boldin as my keeper next year (we have odd keeper rules) and we can go 'run and shoot' and start one RB and three WR instead of two each. Damn skippy I'd be thrilled with that trio of WR at the end of our first two rounds, but I think Fitz will be gone.....

 
What about Calvin too? What happens if he gets a legit QB? I think the back end of round 1 and front end of round 2 might be dominated by the tier 1 WRs.

 
I expect these two will go in the top six of most leagues. Too much uncertaintly at the RB position.
Top 6: not yet. The Fantasy Football mag's bias is still too skewed towards RB for that to happen right now (face it, that's what most people use). Top 10 though? Absolutely.
 
If Brady comes back, Randy is gonna be a steal in the 2nd round (assuming he falls there) People tend to have short memories.

 
Fitz will probably go in the top 8 in non-ppr, top 5 in ppr. AJ, Calvin, and perhaps Randy depending on Brady's status are also potential first rounders.

 
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I have Warner as a keeper in my main league and 8th pick in the draft. If I can get Fitz I'd be thrilled.

 
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I expect these two will go in the top six of most leagues. Too much uncertaintly at the RB position.
I have never seen 2 receivers go in the top 6, maybe it is going that way now days. If I had a top 6 pick I doubt I would use it on a receiver no matter what kind of scoring.
 
I have Boldin as my keeper next year (we have odd keeper rules) and we can go 'run and shoot' and start one RB and three WR instead of two each. Damn skippy I'd be thrilled with that trio of WR at the end of our first two rounds, but I think Fitz will be gone.....
I have those exact three... Fitz, AJ, Boldin in my PPR dynasty and the future looks bright. They were the top 3 in PPG this season and should only get better if healthy.
 
There are so many good WRs, I probably couldn't bring myself to wait until the 3rd/4th turn to get an RB. Thought about taking 2 WRs right away this year and passed (luckily, as I had Braylon ranked #2...).

 
In my 2008 initial 12 team dynasty draft I had pick 10, 14, and 18. There were 9 RBs i liked, and I figured somebody would take Brady or a WR before pick 10. Well, those exact 9 RBs went 1-9.

Plan B: I took Fitz at 10. MJD (my 10th rated dynasty RB last year) at 14. Then I had to decide between Randy Moss and Andre Johnson at 18.... went with Andre for youth (plus I had Randy in my other dynasty).

I muffed my next pick, pick 31.... I traded up before the draft to get that spot with the intention of taking Brandon Marshall. Marshall went one pick before!!

I had to choose between Chad 1400-yards-a-year Johnson, old man TO, or the up and coming, but not yet proven, Calvin Johnson.

So now I have Ocho Stinko instead of an ungody young WR trio.

I think if the draft were held today, Fitz, Andre, and possibly MJD would all be top 10 or so... I'll take it.

 
What's interesting is that from 1990 until around 2002 taking the Top 2 WR from the prior season ended up being a decent maneuver most years . . .

Top 2 Receivers and how they did the following year:

90

Rice 1, Rison 7

91

Rice 2, Irvin 3

92

Sharpe 3, Rice 1

93

Rice 1, Rison 12

94

Rice 1, Sharpe DNP (Mathis was #3 and ended up 17 the next year)

95

Rice 4, Bruce 8

96

Jackson 29, Martin 22

97

Moore 24, Freeman 2

98

Moss 2, Freeman 20

99

Harrison 2, Moss 1

00

Moss 5, Harrison 1

01

Harrison 1, Owens 2

02

Harrison 5, Owens 12

Clearly 1997 would not have worked out. But most years you would have had the #1 or #2 WR and several times could have had two fantasy #1 WR (two guys in the Top 12).

But then things started to get a little murkier.

03

Moss 19, Holt 7

04

Muhammad 37, Walker 155

05

Smith 8, Fitzgerald 24

06

Harrison 100, Owens 2

07

Moss 10, Owens 9

Even getting Moss and Owens this year probably would have been tough to overcome, as not getting at least one Top 5 WR would probably be a huge kink in the armor of going WR-WR at the turn and taking the Top 2 WR from the prior season (assuming they were still there).

Of the past 18 seasons, I would say that it would have been worth it (after the fact of course) half the time (9 of the 18 seasons).

It will be interesting to see how Fitz and AJ do in 09 and whether the trend from a few years ago of having some repeat levels of high production can continue.

 
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I wouldn't have a problem taking Calvin and Jennings at the turn either.

 
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I have to keep three (likely in bold) from:

QB-Kurt Warner-ARI

RB-Adrian Peterson-MIN

WR-Larry Fitzgerald-ARI

WR-Andre Johnson-HOU

WR-Greg Jennings-GBP

TE-Tony Gonzalez-KCC

:excited:

 
I would love to get both at the turn as I know I have 12/13 since I won my CHUG league. Unfortunately, that late is too hard to predict, so I will have to have a ton of scenarios laid out. I know I am keeping Brees (QBs rule the top 20 scoring wise) and probably Bowe or R. Brown. I would love to see AJ and Fitz there, but I doubt it. If all the RBs are gone, it might have to be amongst Boldin, Moss (if Brady looks good), CJ, Smith, White, Jennings and the first two. I think the only guy I will avoid, who wasn't awful this year was TO. I think he can have a top 5 season again as his numbers were really hurt by Romo being out for a few games and not quite right the first game back. He is just a huge risk that high.

I will say that I would think about dropping Fitz and Boldin down quite a bit if Leinart is QB. I have no faith in him at all. Warner has such a quick release. I don't think Leinart could possibly throw for 377 yards and 3 TDs against the same Steelers defense. They would still be good WRs, but I certainly wouldn't take them over Moss with Brady, CJ, AJ and maybe a couple others.

Also, don't sleep on Colston either. He would have been just a hair behind CJ for 4th in my league if you double his last 8 healthy games after the bye. He played in 10, but was hurt in the 1st half week 1 and was barely targeted his first game back.

 
You start by looking at the best RBs worth taking...

AP, Forte, Portis, Gore, LT2, C Johnson, etc. Once you run out of those, you go for it.

However, for all the Fitz, AJ, Moss talk, I would be just as happy to have 2 stud RBs and Welker, Boldin, and the #2 in Houston as my starters.

 
I've only gone WR/WR with my first two picks once in my life, and I had a lousy season. So for the sake of superstition, I won't do it. But..... what a crazy tandem that would be. :goodposting:
The stud RB days are winding down. I have drafted WR-WR the last two years with good success.
 
I've only gone WR/WR with my first two picks once in my life, and I had a lousy season. So for the sake of superstition, I won't do it. But..... what a crazy tandem that would be. :goodposting:
I've started my draft WR/WR several times and it's worked out pretty well. The key is you have to have RBs that you expect to be around later that can produce. When WR/WR has failed for me it wasn't the WRs that failed, but mid round RBs. For example, last season I went Fitz/Calvin in one league. But I was counting on some combination of Mike Turner, Forte, Kevin Smith, Mendenhall, and Chris Johnson to be available to me and to produce. I felt that there were enough RBs that I rated highly but would likely fall to take the chance of going WR/WR early. If the RBs are likely to be drafted similar to how you rank them, then going WR/WR is a big risk. But if you really think you are tuned into some mid round RBs that are going to produce then WR/WR works. I actually felt so good about the mid round RBs last season that I went Fitz/Calvin/Witten.
 
I've only gone WR/WR with my first two picks once in my life, and I had a lousy season. So for the sake of superstition, I won't do it. But..... what a crazy tandem that would be. :hifive:
The stud RB days are winding down. I have drafted WR-WR the last two years with good success.
:goodposting: Unfortunately for me, even in leagues where draft order is randonly selected, I always end up at the end of the order. Last year, I took TO and Fitz in a 2 player keeper league and I won the league. When I won my other league in 2007, it was due to WRs and QBs (Brady, Romo (flex), TO, Colston and Edwards - virtually same lineup (no TO) this year crashed and burned due to injuries).It always seems like I draft late so I am always looking at meh top RBs versus the top WRs and pretty much every year the top WRs seem to do better. It is usually mid round RBs that come out of nowhere, not the guys predicted to be RB7-10.By the way, since I still have DD installed. Here was the scenario last year. At the 10 spot, Portis was picked 9th. At RB, LJ, Bush, Grant, McGahee and Graham picked as the next 5 RBs. The next 5 WRs were TO, Edwards, Colston, Fitz and AJ. No doubt that even with Colston's injury and Edwards awful year, you still were better off taking 2 of the WRs than 2 of the RBs. At least Colston would have been helpful during the playoffs unlike Bush. I chose TO and Fitz and did very well.Hmmm, just thought of something very interesting and I wonder how true it is. I have had a few WRs get hurt over the years. AJ in 2005 and 2007 and Colston in 2008. I have also had a few RBs get hurt. Faulk, Westbrook, Bush in 2007 and FWP in 2007. Whenever the WRs got hurt and it wasn't out for the year, they actually came back and had good to great playoff runs. Whenever the RBs got hurt, they usually missed all of the playoff runs. It just seems like the top RBs when they got hurt, it would be right when it mattered. I understand the whole you can't make the playoffs, but it just seems like RB injuries usually equal playoff time and WR injuries seem to be more early season.Anyway, I could be completely wrong since it is my own anectdotal samples, but IMHO WRs just don't seem to "wear" down like RBs do and I wonder if that also makes WR-WR at the end of the draft order a better plan risk wise. It seems like RB injuries that aren't just a single game, tend to be late in the year and can kill you in the playoffs.
 
I've only gone WR/WR with my first two picks once in my life, and I had a lousy season. So for the sake of superstition, I won't do it. But..... what a crazy tandem that would be. :o
I took AJ and Moss at the turn this year in an initial Dynasty draft. I was this close to going AJ -Fitz. I won the championship this year so I can't complain too much but a Fitz/AJ lineup would look mighty sweet for the next 8 years ...
 
What's interesting is that from 1990 until around 2002 taking the Top 2 WR from the prior season ended up being a decent maneuver most years . . .Top 2 Receivers and how they did the following year:90Rice 1, Rison 791 Rice 2, Irvin 392 Sharpe 3, Rice 193 Rice 1, Rison 1294 Rice 1, Sharpe DNP (Mathis was #3 and ended up 17 the next year)95 Rice 4, Bruce 896 Jackson 29, Martin 2297 Moore 24, Freeman 298 Moss 2, Freeman 2099 Harrison 2, Moss 100 Moss 5, Harrison 101 Harrison 1, Owens 202Harrison 5, Owens 12Clearly 1997 would not have worked out. But most years you would have had the #1 or #2 WR and several times could have had two fantasy #1 WR (two guys in the Top 12).But then things started to get a little murkier.03 Moss 19, Holt 704 Muhammad 37, Walker 15505Smith 8, Fitzgerald 2406 Harrison 100, Owens 207Moss 10, Owens 9Even getting Moss and Owens this year probably would have been tough to overcome, as not getting at least one Top 5 WR would probably be a huge kink in the armor of going WR-WR at the turn and taking the Top 2 WR from the prior season (assuming they were still there).Of the past 18 seasons, I would say that it would have been worth it (after the fact of course) half the time (9 of the 18 seasons).It will be interesting to see how Fitz and AJ do in 09 and whether the trend from a few years ago of having some repeat levels of high production can continue.
So basically outside of Rice & Harrison it was not worth it at all. Outside of easy to predict top flight WR's (with team stability) it is a complete crapshoot.
 
So basically outside of Rice & Harrison it was not worth it at all. Outside of easy to predict top flight WR's (with team stability) it is a complete crapshoot.
Rice, Harrison, Moss, and Owens were usually money in the bank. Until recently.
That being said, I like Fitz & AJ's chances better than anyone else. I couldn't ever get myself to take them on the first turn though. One of them, heck yeah, but both? The difference maker is PPR I suppose.
 
I have a feeling both may be gone by the turn next year. The tide is turning towards WRs in fantasy drafts already and after this season I can see it continuing.
fitz will suck next year.well, he may not SUCK, but he will not live up to his expectations any team coming off a superbowl loss is greatly affected. it takes a lot to make it to the superbowl, good luck, drive, positiveness, health. well if you lose a superbowl, chances are that team usually does poorly the next year not only that but the team changes players. Warner is likely to retire and even if he doesn't, what is the chance of him staying healthy next year. without warner, fitz will not be this good. while he may still be solid, he won't be worth where he was drafted
 
I have a feeling both may be gone by the turn next year. The tide is turning towards WRs in fantasy drafts already and after this season I can see it continuing.
fitz will suck next year.well, he may not SUCK, but he will not live up to his expectations any team coming off a superbowl loss is greatly affected. it takes a lot to make it to the superbowl, good luck, drive, positiveness, health. well if you lose a superbowl, chances are that team usually does poorly the next year not only that but the team changes players. Warner is likely to retire and even if he doesn't, what is the chance of him staying healthy next year. without warner, fitz will not be this good. while he may still be solid, he won't be worth where he was drafted
He's already had 3 years with 1400/10 and almost hit 100 receptions for the third time. If he stays healthy and Warner comes back, what do you think his numbers would be like?
 
I have a feeling both may be gone by the turn next year. The tide is turning towards WRs in fantasy drafts already and after this season I can see it continuing.
fitz will suck next year.well, he may not SUCK, but he will not live up to his expectations any team coming off a superbowl loss is greatly affected. it takes a lot to make it to the superbowl, good luck, drive, positiveness, health. well if you lose a superbowl, chances are that team usually does poorly the next year not only that but the team changes players. Warner is likely to retire and even if he doesn't, what is the chance of him staying healthy next year. without warner, fitz will not be this good. while he may still be solid, he won't be worth where he was drafted
He's already had 3 years with 1400/10 and almost hit 100 receptions for the third time. If he stays healthy and Warner comes back, what do you think his numbers would be like?
well his only bad year was 2006 when lienart started most of the games. I just don't think warner will be back. i say 8 -9tds and 1100-1200 yards. at best. not bad, but i think i can get one of those kind of guys 2 rounds later. not only that, but you never want to take a player coming off his best year. you always overpay and they never respond to what you counted on. especially WRS. they are so iffy. i would rather take a guy like colston in the late 3rd that a lot of peoiple are probably writing off. or what about roddy white?. i think that the drop in talent (12 team) is too big. take a rB in the first then a WR inthe 3rd or vice versa. the difference between the wr is less than the differnce between the RBs. that will hurt your team. VBD. BABY!!!!!example you could take say brandon jackson, gore or stephen jackson, mjd stlanton, at 1-12 but at 3-12 your are only getting lendale white. while the drop in WRs is not as drastic.there is a big drop off in RBS this year. this is the year of the RB RB WR QB
 
I've only gone WR/WR with my first two picks once in my life, and I had a lousy season. So for the sake of superstition, I won't do it. But..... what a crazy tandem that would be. :lol:
I thought the same thing when I took Moss and Wayne B2B last year in one league.
 
I did not go WR-WR, but RB-WR-WR-WR, in a 2RB,3WR league. 7 out of 10 spot

1st Addai

2nd Wayne

3rd Steve Smith

4th AJ

Ended up with Deangelo and T Jones as the main starters.

This past season to me looked like 10 good WR, 5 good RB. and then a crap shoot. So I preferred to go big on WRs instead of RB.

 
I have a feeling both may be gone by the turn next year. The tide is turning towards WRs in fantasy drafts already and after this season I can see it continuing.
fitz will suck next year.well, he may not SUCK, but he will not live up to his expectations any team coming off a superbowl loss is greatly affected. it takes a lot to make it to the superbowl, good luck, drive, positiveness, health. well if you lose a superbowl, chances are that team usually does poorly the next year not only that but the team changes players. Warner is likely to retire and even if he doesn't, what is the chance of him staying healthy next year. without warner, fitz will not be this good. while he may still be solid, he won't be worth where he was drafted
exact reason i'm staying away. i love fitz but the superbowl loser curse is worse than the madden curse (see patriots).
 
I have Boldin as my keeper next year (we have odd keeper rules) and we can go 'run and shoot' and start one RB and three WR instead of two each. Damn skippy I'd be thrilled with that trio of WR at the end of our first two rounds, but I think Fitz will be gone.....
I have those exact three... Fitz, AJ, Boldin in my PPR dynasty and the future looks bright. They were the top 3 in PPG this season and should only get better if healthy.
Not a big believer in buy low, sell high? Expecting the top 3 WR's to get better doesn't make much sense.
 
Fitz, AJ, Megatron, Randy Moss are all guys I'd like in the late first early second. You clearly can make arguments based on ceiling/risk/history/qb/team stability/injuries for any of them at the top and any of them at the bottom. I don't think that one stands out significantly over the others, and for that reason if I pick in the 7-10 range of a redraft where top top RBs are likely still there, I'll probably grab the RB first and then one of these four in the second. If I pick 11 or 12, I'd probably take two of them if they're available over any of the RBs.

FWIW, I rank them Moss, Megatron, Fitz, AJ right now.

 
RB, WR, WR. Get a stud RB, then stock up on number one recievers. They'll all put up numbers eventually, and someone will be desperate enough to trade. :(

 
I'll be keeping Andre and Moss over the likes of Peyton, Addai, Stewart, LJ, Mendenhall etc.

If I had Fitz it would be tough to decide, but it would be Andre and one of those two WRs.

 

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