You be the commish (1 Viewer)

[oukurt]

Scenario

I am team A.

I propose a pre draft trade to an owner last night. Here is the exact trade offer:

Team A gave up:

Year 2006 Draft Pick 1.11

Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.11

Team B gave up:

Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.04

Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.09

Team B accepts the trade and the trade becomes official. The picks are swapped on the league site and the trade is complete.

2 hours later I get this email from Team B:

"I had one too many beers tonight at golf tonight and hit the accept button instead of the counter offer. My counter offer was your 1.11 and 5.11 for my 2.04 and 4.04. Would this trade work for you."

I didn't respond and messaged the commish about the problem. I get this response from the commish:

"Team B hit the wrong button and intended to first counter offer.

I think he sent you the counter offer already.

I’m going to reverse this trade for now and leave it up to the both of you to offer/accept/reject, etc again if you want it.

Feel free to offer it again because Team B still might want it.

I’ll make it clear to everyone in the league that this type of commish intervention is not the norm.

Please evaluate and make a final decision on trades before hitting any buttons."

My gripe - Anyone that has used MFL for their league know that you have to hit accept twice to finalize a trade. You get a warning message stating "You are about to accept this trade - Hit yes to process" or something similar to this. My honest feeling is that this owner changed his mind and wanted to rework the trade after he accepted. Buyers remorse should not equal a reversal of a completed transaction.

Should I be angry?

What decision would you have made as a commish?

 

[the rover]

you want to piss off a guy in your league over a pre-draft trade?

 

[monkeysee]

you want to piss off a guy in your league over a pre-draft trade?

It isn't so much about the trade itself. That is a questionable move by the league commissioner. It is a matter of principle. I would not be happy about it.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

Let me first say that moving up 5 picks and moving down 26 picks doesn't sound like a fair deal for Team B.

That said, if your site is set up the way you thought (where you have to accept twice in order for it to go through), then obviously this guy changed his mind instead of accidentally hitting the wrong button. Have you brought it to the Commish's attention that you are quite certain this guy didn't "accidentally" accept? I would suggest verifying with the Commish that it takes a person hitting the accept button twice in order to accept an offer on your site. If the Commish sees that the site works the way you are saying, he may reconsider. Any Commish who gives an owner a mulligan for being drunk isn't a good Commish.

 

[the rover]

you're four weeks before the season. the guy claims he accidentally hit the wrong button. there are two choices for the commish...be a hardass and push through a trade one guy claims was a mistake, or allow the trade to be offered again, which puts the teams in the same position as they were--with a month left before the season.

you're basically calling out the other owner as a liar about a pretty meaningless thing. you really want to be that guy?

 

[BL Titans]

2 hours is a benefit of a doubt. That means Team B must have been emailing Commish not long after the deal, and the Commish investigated and reversed.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

2 hours is a benefit of a doubt. That means Team B must have been emailing Commish not long after the deal, and the Commish investigated and reversed.

If the guy said he had too many beers while golfing, did he sober up 2 hours later? I dunno about you, but 2 hours after I am drunk enough to accept a trade I didn't really want, I am either praying to the porcelain god, or passed out on the kitchen floor. This guy probably took a few mulligans on the golf course, and now he is getting a FF mulligan (if the site makes you hit the accept button twice in order to make the deal go through).

 

[turkishkamel]

Let me first say that moving up 5 picks and moving down 26 picks doesn't sound like a fair deal for Team B.That said, if your site is set up the way you thought (where you have to accept twice in order for it to go through), then obviously this guy changed his mind instead of accidentally hitting the wrong button. Have you brought it to the Commish's attention that you are quite certain this guy didn't "accidentally" accept? I would suggest verifying with the Commish that it takes a person hitting the accept button twice in order to accept an offer on your site. If the Commish sees that the site works the way you are saying, he may reconsider. Any Commish who gives an owner a mulligan for being drunk isn't a good Commish.

perfect

 

[Daywalker]

Guy tried to rectify the error within two hours. Give him the benefit of the doubt. If he was as drunk as he said it's not that hard to imagine that he misunderstood the second prompt as well.

 

[Gandalf]

Should I be angry?

Yes, because the guy clearly realized it was a bad deal and backed out. It doesn't matter what the real reason was, the bottom line is that he had low interest in completing the deal after initially accepting it. That's lame. However, if I were the commish, I would have reversed the deal because owner B did not want to do it within a reasonable amount of time after and claimed that he was drunk. As long as this was his first offense with pulling back a trade, I think you have to reverse it. I wouldn't stay mad at the other owner--you learned something new about his character and I would consider that in future deals with this person.

 

[ROCKET]

That's b.s. If you can't handle your booze then don't drink. What a whine ###, and yes your commish is wrong to overturn it. If he had to hit accept twice then it should stand. This brings up a good point about the other sites that only need one click of accept where I could easily see someone clicking it by mistake, even sober.

 

[BassNBrew]

That's b.s. If you can't handle your booze then don't drink. What a whine ###, and yes your commish is wrong to overturn it. If he had to hit accept twice then it should stand. This brings up a good point about the other sites that only need one click of accept where I could easily see someone clicking it by mistake, even sober.

That's b.s....if you can't handle your soberness then drink.

 

[ROCKET]

That's b.s. If you can't handle your booze then don't drink. What a whine ###, and yes your commish is wrong to overturn it. If he had to hit accept twice then it should stand. This brings up a good point about the other sites that only need one click of accept where I could easily see someone clicking it by mistake, even sober.

That's b.s....if you can't handle your soberness then drink.

Believe me I love to drink but I also won't use being drunk as an excuse for doing something stupid. If you can't handle it then either don't do it or don't complain about the consequences.

 

[my man otis]

he's sort of beat, it'd hold him to it if it's serious money.

if it's a free/fun league or low payout then i don't see the point of really caring.

does sort of stink though.

 

[The Shizzle]

Drunk trades are the drunk person's fault. Everyone knows when your drunk, you should be looking at pron, not FF. You got screwed!!!

edited for a typo

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Should I be angry?

Yes, because the guy clearly realized it was a bad deal and backed out. It doesn't matter what the real reason was, the bottom line is that he had low interest in completing the deal after initially accepting it. That's lame. However, if I were the commish, I would have reversed the deal because owner B did not want to do it within a reasonable amount of time after and claimed that he was drunk. As long as this was his first offense with pulling back a trade, I think you have to reverse it. I wouldn't stay mad at the other owner--you learned something new about his character and I would consider that in future deals with this person.

I think this is a tough situation but I agree with the post above. I'd be angry and let it be known. I would tend to think the guy changed his mind afterward, but there's no way to know that for sure. It's possible he made a mistake, and as a commish myself, I would likely reverse it; or at least put it to the league to vote on.

 

[Nemesis]

I would phone the commissioner and ask him "WHEN did he contact you and HOW?".

If the other owner emailed the commish then ask him to "Please forward me a copy of the email". If he phoned him, ask him "What EXACTLY did he say to you?".

Secondly, Why didn't the other owner contact YOU?

Either way, I'd tell the commissioner that this is almost like the T.O. trade to Baltimore and in consideration for him backing out of the deal, you want a supplemental 6th round draft pick..........

 

[jaemcy3]

As the commish of my league I would have let the trade stand. I would have asked B when he normally went out drinking so I would know when to propose a trade with him, just to drive the point home.

If I were team A I would tell B no problem, I'll agree to the reversal but you owe me since I could stick you with this one. I would also tell the commish that you're OK with the reversal, but you really believe he blew the call. If an owner makes a bad decision when he's drunk he should be held accountable. Tell him you know he is a better commish than that decision showed and he really needs to step it up in the future.

My reasoning is that a pre-draft trade probably isn't worth being a hard ### over, and it's better to have them owe you than you owe them. Then I would take it out on my sparring partner at my MMA training sesson tonight.

 

[CA_7]

My gripe - Anyone that has used MFL for their league know that you have to hit accept twice to finalize a trade. You get a warning message stating "You are about to accept this trade - Hit yes to process" or something similar to this.

Should I be angry?

What decision would you have made as a commish?

As commish I would throw it back on the owners, if you believe the guy was drunk and want to honor the redo on the deal that is your call. The guy accepted and has buyer's remorse, MFL has a process in place for further confirmation of accpeted deals (only) and would have let it stand just for that reason.

 

[massraider]

If I was the commish, I'd probably reverse the trade. It is in Team B's favor that he reneged so quickly. Seems like it MAY have been a mistake.

I'd probably then add something to the rules, that this was a one-time only deal. All accepted trades are binding, no exceptions, and make sure everyone knows it. But, the leagues I do are mostly friends, and while decent money is involved, fun is more important. I wouldn't want to have an owner pissed all year, and then leaving the league after the season.

The real reason I would have no problem reversing it, is because Team A didn't lose anything. It happened so quickly that there wasn't time to make a roster move based on the trade, for example. Or shut down trade talks with someone else, as another example.

Now, if Team A could prove that he had another deal with Team C, and went with Team B, and then Team C turned around and made another deal, leaving Team A out in the cold, I'd hold Team B to the trade.

 

[AB in DC]

What decision would you have made as a commish?

This is why I will never volunteer to be a commish.

 

[Godsbrother]

As commish I would throw it back on the owners, if you believe the guy was drunk and want to honor the redo on the deal that is your call.

The guy accepted and has buyer's remorse, MFL has a process in place for further confirmation of accpeted deals (only) and would have let it stand just for that reason.

Agreed. The commish should only reverse the trade if the website was in error or was not setup properly. If Team B wants to back out of the deal he needs work it out with Team A. And if I were Team A I would let the guy out of it since it was only 2 hours later and still weeks away from the draft. I would give him a little bit of good-natured !@$% about it though.

 

[reg]

disband the league.

 

[da_budman]

this all depends on whattype of league you are in....if your a laid back league for small money reversing it would seem to flow with the attitude of the league.....but ...no way does that get overturned in a high priced cuthroat league......still I wouldnt push the issue either way and affect MY enjoyment of the game by harboring resentments towards the other guy or the comish

 

[oukurt]

Mixed reviews as I thought I might get. For the record, it is a 100 dollar keeper league. The thing that is really starting to stink is that the commish and the owner in question are ignoring my emails. The funny thing about this is that this is a Canada vs America type league. Could be an agenda vs one of the Yanks.

For those interested, the commish sent this out to the league early this morning:

Hi everyone. A situation happened tonight in

our league. I was notified that a completed draft pick

trade was an error. I asked both parties to

confirm if the trade was official/accepted.

Team B emailed me saying he intended to counter

offer and made a mistake. He says he has sent

Team A the counter offer.

I'm going to give Team B the benefit of the doubt

this one time and trust him when he says it was a

mistake.

I want everyone in the league to think twice

before accepting or rejecting trades.

This is a one-time ruling (I hope). If the MFL

setup really takes 2x accepting to make it go

through then this is a situation we should not

have to revisit very often (unless very drunk

Team B did mention something about sending his

drunk ### to bed tonight. Maybe the lesson is not

to play with your MFL league trades when under the

influence!

Team B didn't say to me he wouldn't accept the

original offer but his intention was to first

counter offer.

If either of you want to go back and offer the

original offer go ahead. I will let you both

continue your discussions.

Team B and everyone - please don't let this happen

again. Make sure you know what you're doing when

you click.

Commish"

 

[doomsdaydoc]

the guy clearly backed out when his friends told him it was a bad deal. On the other hand there is nothing you can really do that would look right. I would try and renegotiate, but you may not come up with anything. He knows what he did and you may be able to use it to your advantage later on. I would talk to the commish about what your thoughts are, unless of course, they are great f riends.

 

[Kit Fisto]

this all depends on whattype of league you are in....if your a laid back league for small money reversing it would seem to flow with the attitude of the league.....but ...no way does that get overturned in a high priced cuthroat league......still I wouldnt push the issue either way and affect MY enjoyment of the game by harboring resentments towards the other guy or the comish

After reading all the replies, I agree with this guy here the most. Is it really worth it? But I will say this, and I am a Commissioner, I wouldn't have let Team B back out. Being drunk is not an acceptable excuse. My response would have been "You F-ed up, you live with it. Betcha it'll never happen again!"If your Commish does reverse the trade, I also agree that you deserve some type of bone thrown your way, like a compensatory draft pick.

 

[Warpig]

Bend over and take it like a man. If there's one thing I've learned joining internet leagues is that there are a ton of whiners out there that will use every excuse in the book to get out of a bad deal and a ton of spineless commish's that "don't want anyone to be upset". I'm in two internet leagues and have had to deal with this scenario in each of them already.

 

[u999spf]

I haven't read all the replies yet just your initial post but I would say the commisioner did the right thing. It sounds like it was an honest mistake by Team B, he emailed you and the commissioner the very next morning and included his counter-offer, it's not like he waited a week then tried to get out of it.

Hitting the accept offer button 2 times is no big deal, I am sure people do that all the time, with all the pop-ups on the net, many people just blow past them without reading them.

Now, if he turns around and makes that deal with another team (2nd and 4th rounder for 1st and 5th) I may be a little suspicious that another team got a hold of him and said he would have made the trade for less.

 

[Billy Bats]

Why have a commish, then? That's total bull, especially since he had to click accept TWO TIMES to complete the trade. You're commish is a wuss, I would cry foul and demand compensation if they keep this ruling. Try to get support from around the league and if you get majority in favor, then present that and the trade should stand. It should stand anyway, but having xtra support can only help. Being drunk is no excuse, anything Fantasy sports is the last thing you should be doing after a few too many. Good luck. Let us know what happens.

 

[Billy Bats]

And I love how some people are saying suck it up. Yea right, if it happened to them, they would be posting this same thread topic, and looking for support on keeping the trade in tact. And you all know it.

 

[Keys Myaths]

MFL--trade stands.

CBS--could be an honest mistake.

Dude had to click twice. Trade stands.

 

[reverend_ish]

As the commish of my league I would have let the trade stand. I would have asked B when he normally went out drinking so I would know when to propose a trade with him, just to drive the point home. If I were team A I would tell B no problem, I'll agree to the reversal but you owe me since I could stick you with this one. I would also tell the commish that you're OK with the reversal, but you really believe he blew the call. If an owner makes a bad decision when he's drunk he should be held accountable. Tell him you know he is a better commish than that decision showed and he really needs to step it up in the future.My reasoning is that a pre-draft trade probably isn't worth being a hard ### over, and it's better to have them owe you than you owe them. Then I would take it out on my sparring partner at my MMA training sesson tonight.

I think this is the BEST solution in this bunch. Not quite fair to you, but it sets you up with leverage for the future, keeps you on everyone's good side, and makes the Commish feel like he owes you.Good suggestion.Ish

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Do you posters, who think that it was an honest mistake, not see that owner B had to hit the accept button not once but TWICE?

I don't care if he was drunk. He hit the button twice to accept it.

I don't care if he thought about it two hours later. He hit the "Accept" button twice.

Two hours later? If he said two minutes but two hours? What happened in those two hours that made him sober enough to say "I hit the wrong button"?

If he was drunk at golf then to Fn! bad.

The commishioner should not be involved unless there is collusion. Being drunk and making a mistake? Blame it on stupidity. The commisioner isn't supposed to be a baby-sitter.

 

[JohnnyU]

Team B - I was drunk and accidentally hit the accept button. Please reverse the trade.

Dean Vernon Wormer - Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son. :11:

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I haven't read all the replies yet just your initial post but I would say the commisioner did the right thing. It sounds like it was an honest mistake by Team B, he emailed you and the commissioner the very next morning and included his counter-offer, it's not like he waited a week then tried to get out of it.

Hitting the accept offer button 2 times is no big deal, I am sure people do that all the time, with all the pop-ups on the net, many people just blow past them without reading them.

Now, if he turns around and makes that deal with another team (2nd and 4th rounder for 1st and 5th) I may be a little suspicious that another team got a hold of him and said he would have made the trade for less.

Which part of the first post can you not read?He sent an Email TWO HOURS LATER. Not the next morning. What? All of a sudden he sobered up?

 

[u999spf]

I really don't think the guy being drunk when he accepted the trade is a big deal at all. It could easily happened if he wasn't drunk too. There are a number of reasons someone could have hit the accept button twice. You could have been distracted by wife/gf/kids/phone etc in the middle of doing this. You could have been watching tv and turned away after you hit enter. You could be someone that is not very knowledgable with the website itself or computers on general. Some people just don't take the time to read every little thing that pops up, you get so many pop ups and messages on the net that you develop blinders on that stuff, like accepting license agreements, registration disclaimers, etc that you just partially read them and click ok without realizing what you just agreed to.

 

[MLBrandow]

He obviously misread and is blaming it on beer.

That said, I'd still take 2.04/4.04 over 1.11/5.11

You should act pissed off, and then accept it anyway.

That means you have 2.02, 2.04, 3.11, 4.02, 4.04

Not sure that you could make a better team with those guys.

Grab Westbrook, three stud WRs and Dillon/Lewis and laugh your way to the championship. Maybe thow in Gates > 3rd WR.

If I am reading this right, you would have molested him in the trade before, but you're still getting the better end of the deal here anyway... by a lot.

 

[Warpig]

I really don't think the guy being drunk when he accepted the trade is a big deal at all. It could easily happened if he wasn't drunk too. There are a number of reasons someone could have hit the accept button twice. You could have been distracted by wife/gf/kids/phone etc in the middle of doing this. You could have been watching tv and turned away after you hit enter. You could be someone that is not very knowledgable with the website itself or computers on general. Some people just don't take the time to read every little thing that pops up, you get so many pop ups and messages on the net that you develop blinders on that stuff, like accepting license agreements, registration disclaimers, etc that you just partially read them and click ok without realizing what you just agreed to.

u999spf is "one of thooose guys"

 

[u999spf]

I haven't read all the replies yet just your initial post but I would say the commisioner did the right thing. It sounds like it was an honest mistake by Team B, he emailed you and the commissioner the very next morning and included his counter-offer, it's not like he waited a week then tried to get out of it.

Hitting the accept offer button 2 times is no big deal, I am sure people do that all the time, with all the pop-ups on the net, many people just blow past them without reading them.

Now, if he turns around and makes that deal with another team (2nd and 4th rounder for 1st and 5th) I may be a little suspicious that another team got a hold of him and said he would have made the trade for less.

Which part of the first post can you not read?He sent an Email TWO HOURS LATER. Not the next morning. What? All of a sudden he sobered up?

My bad, that's even more of a reason to chalk it up to an honest error, it was 2 hours later, so he realized it probably right away and was figuring out how to get it reversed without it being a big deal.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I really don't think the guy being drunk when he accepted the trade is a big deal at all. It could easily happened if he wasn't drunk too. There are a number of reasons someone could have hit the accept button twice. You could have been distracted by wife/gf/kids/phone etc in the middle of doing this. You could have been watching tv and turned away after you hit enter. You could be someone that is not very knowledgable with the website itself or computers on general. Some people just don't take the time to read every little thing that pops up, you get so many pop ups and messages on the net that you develop blinders on that stuff, like accepting license agreements, registration disclaimers, etc that you just partially read them and click ok without realizing what you just agreed to.

What the hell?Are you the Team B owner?You make a lot of excusesrunkKidWifeGirlfriendPhonesWatching tvNot very knowledgable with computers? Enough to have a on-line draft, league, able to email BUT not knowledgable enough to NOT hit accept button twice

 

[Billy Bats]

Do you posters, who think that it was an honest mistake, not see that owner B had to hit the accept button not once but TWICE?I don't care if he was drunk. He hit the button twice to accept it.I don't care if he thought about it two hours later. He hit the "Accept" button twice.Two hours later? If he said two minutes but two hours? What happened in those two hours that made him sober enough to say "I hit the wrong button"? If he was drunk at golf then to Fn! bad.The commishioner should not be involved unless there is collusion. Being drunk and making a mistake? Blame it on stupidity. The commisioner isn't supposed to be a baby-sitter.

Right on, you badmutha####a.

 

[Billy Bats]

I really don't think the guy being drunk when he accepted the trade is a big deal at all. It could easily happened if he wasn't drunk too. There are a number of reasons someone could have hit the accept button twice. You could have been distracted by wife/gf/kids/phone etc in the middle of doing this. You could have been watching tv and turned away after you hit enter. You could be someone that is not very knowledgable with the website itself or computers on general. Some people just don't take the time to read every little thing that pops up, you get so many pop ups and messages on the net that you develop blinders on that stuff, like accepting license agreements, registration disclaimers, etc that you just partially read them and click ok without realizing what you just agreed to.

Man, you would be eaten alive in my league.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Do you posters, who think that it was an honest mistake, not see that owner B had to hit the accept button not once but TWICE?I don't care if he was drunk. He hit the button twice to accept it.I don't care if he thought about it two hours later. He hit the "Accept" button twice.Two hours later? If he said two minutes but two hours? What happened in those two hours that made him sober enough to say "I hit the wrong button"? If he was drunk at golf then to Fn! bad.The commishioner should not be involved unless there is collusion. Being drunk and making a mistake? Blame it on stupidity. The commisioner isn't supposed to be a baby-sitter.

Right on, you badmutha####a.

Now don't you muthaf****** forget that my film "Snakes on a Plane" is opening this Friday and I want you to acknowledge it!This here is the film of the year and I want you to all go see it!

 

[u999spf]

I really don't think the guy being drunk when he accepted the trade is a big deal at all. It could easily happened if he wasn't drunk too. There are a number of reasons someone could have hit the accept button twice. You could have been distracted by wife/gf/kids/phone etc in the middle of doing this. You could have been watching tv and turned away after you hit enter. You could be someone that is not very knowledgable with the website itself or computers on general. Some people just don't take the time to read every little thing that pops up, you get so many pop ups and messages on the net that you develop blinders on that stuff, like accepting license agreements, registration disclaimers, etc that you just partially read them and click ok without realizing what you just agreed to.

What the hell?Are you the Team B owner?You make a lot of excusesrunkKidWifeGirlfriendPhonesWatching tvNot very knowledgable with computers? Enough to have a on-line draft, league, able to email BUT not knowledgable enough to NOT hit accept button twice

Lol, No I am not TeamB, but I do commish 3 leagues and have done so for a every long time. So I tend to look at things a little differently and take the entire league and the people involved into account, to do what's best for the league. We do have guys that are not all that great with computers in our league, and that have been known to do some dumb things in the past. All I am saying is that it is possible a tecnical glitch could happen at any time whether you are drunk or not and the fact that he emailed the team and the commish within 2 hours tells me its a legit mistake and not buyers remorse. You just have to give him the benefit of the doubt this time and deal with it. This isn't even that big a deal for a commish to handle. The nightmare scenario for any commish is what to do when an extremely bad trade is submitted. You know all hell is going to break loose in that league with everyone having a different view on it.

 

[Billy Bats]

I really don't think the guy being drunk when he accepted the trade is a big deal at all. It could easily happened if he wasn't drunk too. There are a number of reasons someone could have hit the accept button twice. You could have been distracted by wife/gf/kids/phone etc in the middle of doing this. You could have been watching tv and turned away after you hit enter. You could be someone that is not very knowledgable with the website itself or computers on general. Some people just don't take the time to read every little thing that pops up, you get so many pop ups and messages on the net that you develop blinders on that stuff, like accepting license agreements, registration disclaimers, etc that you just partially read them and click ok without realizing what you just agreed to.

What the hell?Are you the Team B owner?

You make a lot of excuses:

Drunk

Kid

Wife

Girlfriend

Phones

Watching tv

Not very knowledgable with computers? Enough to have a on-line draft, league, able to email BUT not knowledgable enough to NOT hit accept button twice

Lol, No I am not TeamB, but I do commish 3 leagues and have done so for a every long time. So I tend to look at things a little differently and take the entire league and the people involved into account, to do what's best for the league. We do have guys that are not all that great with computers in our league, and that have been known to do some dumb things in the past. All I am saying is that it is possible a tecnical glitch could happen at any time whether you are drunk or not and the fact that he emailed the team and the commish within 2 hours tells me its a legit mistake and not buyers remorse. You just have to give him the benefit of the doubt this time and deal with it. This isn't even that big a deal for a commish to handle. The nightmare scenario for any commish is what to do when an extremely bad trade is submitted. You know all hell is going to break loose in that league with everyone having a different view on it.

It's not buyers remorse and is a legit mistake?!? Good lord. Do you accept this trade? Click yes. ...... "click"

Are you sure you want to accept this trade, by clicking accept again, this will complete the trade. .... "click"

Then he sends a counter offer after he reviews the details more thoroughly and whines it was a mistake. That's not buyer's remorse?? You must be one helluva commissioner.

 

[Kosar]

That's b.s. If you can't handle your booze then don't drink. What a whine ###, and yes your commish is wrong to overturn it. If he had to hit accept twice then it should stand. This brings up a good point about the other sites that only need one click of accept where I could easily see someone clicking it by mistake, even sober.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I really don't think the guy being drunk when he accepted the trade is a big deal at all. It could easily happened if he wasn't drunk too. There are a number of reasons someone could have hit the accept button twice. You could have been distracted by wife/gf/kids/phone etc in the middle of doing this. You could have been watching tv and turned away after you hit enter. You could be someone that is not very knowledgable with the website itself or computers on general. Some people just don't take the time to read every little thing that pops up, you get so many pop ups and messages on the net that you develop blinders on that stuff, like accepting license agreements, registration disclaimers, etc that you just partially read them and click ok without realizing what you just agreed to.

What the hell?Are you the Team B owner?You make a lot of excusesrunkKidWifeGirlfriendPhonesWatching tvNot very knowledgable with computers? Enough to have a on-line draft, league, able to email BUT not knowledgable enough to NOT hit accept button twice

Lol, No I am not TeamB, but I do commish 3 leagues and have done so for a every long time. So I tend to look at things a little differently and take the entire league and the people involved into account, to do what's best for the league. We do have guys that are not all that great with computers in our league, and that have been known to do some dumb things in the past. All I am saying is that it is possible a tecnical glitch could happen at any time whether you are drunk or not and the fact that he emailed the team and the commish within 2 hours tells me its a legit mistake and not buyers remorse. You just have to give him the benefit of the doubt this time and deal with it. This isn't even that big a deal for a commish to handle. The nightmare scenario for any commish is what to do when an extremely bad trade is submitted. You know all hell is going to break loose in that league with everyone having a different view on it.

What technical glitch? Where is that?The only technical thing is that team B was drunk. Human error NOT computer error.Before you thought it was the next morning and now you are defending the 2 hours later excuse.Team B owner was drunk! You are telling me he sobered up 2 hours later?Who the hell in this day and age doesn't know how to read? Do you accept this offer?Warning! Clicking yes will complete this trade!How is being drunk, and then supposedly 2 hours later be sober enough to realize you "made a mistake", convince you that it was an honest mistake?I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt because there is no doubt. When he Emailed the other owner and said he was drunk, that right there solidifies this trade. The only thing I have to give is to give team B owner a "Sorry #######. Next time don't be a drunk" Do you have owners that are illiterate?

 

[u999spf]

It's not buyers remorse and is a legit mistake?!? Good lord.

Do you accept this trade? Click yes. ...... "click"

Are you sure you want to accept this trade, by clicking accept again, this will complete the trade. .... "click"

Then he sends a counter offer after he reviews the details more thoroughly and whines it was a mistake. That's not buyer's remorse?? You must be one helluva commissioner.

I agree that what you are saying is possible, I just do not think its likely. And as a commish, I would not want to get the season off to a bad start right out of the gate before the draft so I think I would have done the same thing as this commish did. You are talking about a pre-draft deal that has no effect on the season yet. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt, have the owners continue to work on the deal and move on, it's really not that big a deal. I know as a commish, that I have to deal with all kinds of people and that some of them would break my balls about something like this but that's ok with me, I know in the long run handling the situation in this manner will keep the league intact and not lead to arguments and hard feelings with other owners.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

It's not buyers remorse and is a legit mistake?!? Good lord.

Do you accept this trade? Click yes. ...... "click"

Are you sure you want to accept this trade, by clicking accept again, this will complete the trade. .... "click"

Then he sends a counter offer after he reviews the details more thoroughly and whines it was a mistake. That's not buyer's remorse?? You must be one helluva commissioner.

I agree that what you are saying is possible, I just do not think its likely. And as a commish, I would not want to get the season off to a bad start right out of the gate before the draft so I think I would have done the same thing as this commish did. You are talking about a pre-draft deal that has no effect on the season yet. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt, have the owners continue to work on the deal and move on, it's really not that big a deal. I know as a commish, that I have to deal with all kinds of people and that some of them would break my balls about something like this but that's ok with me, I know in the long run handling the situation in this manner will keep the league intact and not lead to arguments and hard feelings with other owners.

Keep the league intact?

How is losing a drunk going to hurt the league? This league should get rid of you as a commish if you bail a drunk owner out of a drunk move.