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Young or Vick (1 Viewer)

Who was the better QB prospect at the same point in their careers

  • Vince Young

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  • Michael Vick

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We all know that as great as Vick has been for putting butts in the seats and money in Blanks pocket, he has been a complete bust as far as QB's are concerned.Yes, you have to spy him and yes you have to game plan for him but after 6 yrs he has yet to put is all together and become the QB that everyone thought he would be.Now comes Vince Young and what he did the last two years has been truely amazing. However, he won't be able to do that in the NFL as the defenders are far to fast to allow that to happen.So recall how you felt about Vick and see if it is better or worse than how you feel about VY.Tom

 
Young will win this poll in a walk because last night's game is fresh in everyone's memory, because everyone knows Vick has had mixed success in the NFL, and because people seem to hate Vick.That said, I think it's close to a tie. Vick seemed to get a little more hype in college and I remember thinking more highly of his passing prospects. On the other hand, Young is a lot bigger and seems to have accomplished a little bit more (although Vick also led his team to the title game and kept it close against a vastly superior squad).

 
Young will win this poll in a walk because last night's game is fresh in everyone's memory, because everyone knows Vick has had mixed success in the NFL, and because people seem to hate Vick.

That said, I think it's close to a tie. Vick seemed to get a little more hype in college and I remember thinking more highly of his passing prospects. On the other hand, Young is a lot bigger and seems to have accomplished a little bit more (although Vick also led his team to the title game and kept it close against a vastly superior squad).
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We all know that as great as Vick has been for putting butts in the seats and money in Blanks pocket, he has been a complete bust as far as QB's are concerned.

Tom
:lmao: Yes, he's been a complete bust.

 
I would hesitate to call Vick a "complete bust" at this point. In the years that he's been healthy, the Falcons have been 9-6-1, 11-5, and 8-8. That's a .594 winning percentage which is actually very good. You can argue stats all day long, but it's wins and losses that really matter. You can say he's been inconsisent or at times even mediocre, but Atlanta has won their fare share of games with him under center.That being said, record aside, I don't consider Vick one of the top tier of NFL QBs but he is better than average. He might even be in the bottom of the Top 10. My problem in real football with Vick is that he is paid like he's not only the #1 QB in the game, but CLEARLY the #1 QB in the game. His contract ultimately hurts Atlanta by not having more $$$ to spend onother players.Bust? No. Overrated? Yes. Overpaid? Yes. Could he do better and mature as a QB? Yes? Will he? Who knows . . .

 
When people judge Vick they like to completely ignore his running and just look at QB rating.Shouldn't we do it both ways? For example we shouldn't look at recieving stats for RB's. Marshall Faulk would have just been considered an above average RB since many of his stats were via recieving. Brian Westbrook should be viewed as a chump due to his low rushing totals.We can no longer use this double standard, if QB's running doesn't count, then RB's recieving shouldn't.Writing that made me feel ridiculous, kind of like reading posts where people completely ignore Vick's rushing and how it impacts a game.Some players (QB's, RB's, WR's) are multidimensional, to ignore that and only focus on one aspect of their game makes no sense.Vick very well may be over-rated and over-paid, but that doesn't make him a bust.

 
Depends. Young hasn't played in the pros... but if he can make decisions like he did last night and put pressure on the defense with both the pass and the run no question is he better than Vick. Vick has better running skills but Young looks like he has the fire and smarts to become a complete QB a lot faster than Vick.

 
When people judge Vick they like to completely ignore his running and just look at QB rating.

Shouldn't we do it both ways? For example we shouldn't look at recieving stats for RB's. Marshall Faulk would have just been considered an above average RB since many of his stats were via recieving. Brian Westbrook should be viewed as a chump due to his low rushing totals.

We can no longer use this double standard, if QB's running doesn't count, then RB's recieving shouldn't.

Writing that made me feel ridiculous, kind of like reading posts where people completely ignore Vick's rushing and how it impacts a game.

Some players (QB's, RB's, WR's) are multidimensional, to ignore that and only focus on one aspect of their game makes no sense.

Vick very well may be over-rated and over-paid, but that doesn't make him a bust.
While I am certainly no Vick apologist, I believe he has been poorly coached and utilized.Where Vince goes will no doubt have a huge bearing on his career success, but my experience seeing him play vs seeing Vick play up to the same point leads me to believe that Young has more upside. He is not even close to being as good as he could be, and he's already better than Vick was at this stage, imho.

 
No one ignores Vick's running stats. But happy-foot QBs are generally easy to contain at the NFL level. The winning play last night would never have happened in the NFL; it was obvious to me that Young was going to run, it should have been obvious to USC, and there's no excuse for not keeping containment on him. The issue isn't whether he runs, it's whether he runs instead of going through his reads.

 
I would hesitate to call Vick a "complete bust" at this point. In the years that he's been healthy, the Falcons have been 9-6-1, 11-5, and 8-8. That's a .594 winning percentage which is actually very good. You can argue stats all day long, but it's wins and losses that really matter. You can say he's been inconsisent or at times even mediocre, but Atlanta has won their fare share of games with him under center.

That being said, record aside, I don't consider Vick one of the top tier of NFL QBs but he is better than average. He might even be in the bottom of the Top 10. My problem in real football with Vick is that he is paid like he's not only the #1 QB in the game, but CLEARLY the #1 QB in the game. His contract ultimately hurts Atlanta by not having more $$$ to spend onother players.

Bust? No. Overrated? Yes. Overpaid? Yes. Could he do better and mature as a QB? Yes? Will he? Who knows . . .
All good points David, and I will not bring stats into it. However for the top pick, the franchise, the person the NFL hangs their hat on to promote the league and every damm announcers wet dream to have never delievered is why I call him a bust. If he was taken with the first pick of the 2nd round or when Brees was taken I would say he is not a bust, but lets look at what is invested in him, where he was taken and how many playoff "wins" he has has to his credit. The next time he plays 16 games will be the first time. Has he lived up to expectations, or fallen way short?

My vote, would probably be for him though over Young. Vick has a cannon for an arm and is just as elusive if not a better runner. Young has speed and size which make him dangerous. However, while he can make a short pass, he does not have the zip that Vick has.

Someone mentioned it is close, and to me it is.

Tom

 
My vote, would probably be for him though over Young. Vick has a cannon for an arm and is just as elusive if not a better runner. Young has speed and size which make him dangerous. However, while he can make a short pass, he does not have the zip that Vick has.

Someone mentioned it is close, and to me it is.

Tom
Who cares if they have zip on them if they are uncatchable.
 
My vote, would probably be for him though over Young. Vick has a cannon for an arm and is just as elusive if not a better runner. Young has speed and size which make him dangerous. However, while he can make a short pass, he does not have the zip that Vick has.

Someone mentioned it is close, and to me it is.

Tom
Who cares if they have zip on them if they are uncatchable.
Not to defend Vick, but Texas' receivers helped Vince out immensely last night. God, how many passes were caught with the receiver on one knee, or diving to catch the pass behind him.This, against a college zone defense.

Agree with poster that Vick has been poorly utilized. He is not, and should not, be a WCO QB.

Young could be great, but he's not going to be a man among boys in the NFL.

 
Random thoughts.1. I like Vick and think he still has tremendous potential. He is younger than Palmer and has shown inconsistent promise, even as a passer. I realize many here disagree with these notions.2. I agree that Vick is overhyped and overpaid, for now.3. I watched Vick in college, and IMO Young is a better passer and leader than Vick was in his final college season. I think Vick was a bit more explosive/electric as a runner, but Young did just become the first NCAA QB to pass for 2500 yards and run for 1000, so I can't really give Vick an edge there. So I think Young is quite a bit better now than Vick was entering the NFL.4. I believe Young is a fair amount bigger (taller and heavier) than Vick. This could give him an advantage in the passing game, as he may be able to see the field better, and in the running game, since he can more easily shed tacklers and should be more durable.5. That said, Vick is obviously a better QB than Young right now.6. I definitely like Young better as an NFL prospect than Leinart, and felt that way prior to last night's game.7. I would have a hard time drafting Bush over Young if I was in charge of the Texans. I like Young & Davis better than Carr & Bush, and the Texas connection is a nice bonus.

 
I would hesitate to call Vick a "complete bust" at this point.  In the years that he's been healthy, the Falcons have been 9-6-1, 11-5, and 8-8.  That's a .594 winning percentage which is actually very good.  You can argue stats all day long, but it's wins and losses that really matter.  You can say he's been inconsisent or at times even mediocre, but Atlanta has won their fare share of games with him under center.

That being said, record aside, I don't consider Vick one of the top tier of NFL QBs but he is better than average.  He might even be in the bottom of the Top 10.  My problem in real football with Vick is that he is paid like he's not only the #1 QB in the game, but CLEARLY the #1 QB in the game.  His contract ultimately hurts Atlanta by not having more $$$ to spend onother players.

Bust? No.  Overrated? Yes.  Overpaid? Yes.  Could he do better and mature as a QB? Yes?  Will he? Who knows . . .
All good points David, and I will not bring stats into it. However for the top pick, the franchise, the person the NFL hangs their hat on to promote the league and every damm announcers wet dream to have never delievered is why I call him a bust. If he was taken with the first pick of the 2nd round or when Brees was taken I would say he is not a bust, but lets look at what is invested in him, where he was taken and how many playoff "wins" he has has to his credit. The next time he plays 16 games will be the first time. Has he lived up to expectations, or fallen way short?

My vote, would probably be for him though over Young. Vick has a cannon for an arm and is just as elusive if not a better runner. Young has speed and size which make him dangerous. However, while he can make a short pass, he does not have the zip that Vick has.

Someone mentioned it is close, and to me it is.

Tom
Again, I am by no means a Vick supporter, but to say "bust" at this point seems a bit harsh. IMO, Vick is a RB trapped in a WR's body masquerading as a QB.He's no Tim Couch, Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Rick Mirer, Art Schlichter, or Jack Thompson--all of whom were Top 3 picks from the past 25 drafts. Those guys get the monniker of "bust" in my book.

IMO, he's been a disappointment, but the media and the league all drool over him and get all frothy even thinking about him, so he has the respect of the press and his peers.

Not all top picks play huge dividends, and at this point even Atlanta may (off the record) say they would much rather have taken LT instead of making the trade with the Chargers.

As for Young, he reminds me more of Randall Cunningham. I'm "old school" and generally like the pocket passing QBs of the world. We won't know how Young will take to a pro level offense, so we are again forced to project how someone will learn over the years.

 
We all know that as great as Vick has been for putting butts in the seats and money in Blanks pocket, he has been a complete bust as far as QB's are concerned.
:rolleyes: Vick has been one of the 5 best QBs in the league in terms of winning games on a team that wouldn't win without him.

 
Vick was a #1 overall pick who has lived up to the hype:In 4 seasons of playing he has:been the #2 FF QBtaken his team to the 2nd round of the playoffstaken his team to the 3rd round of the playoffsmade multiple pro bowlsVince Young is a QB who might go #1 overall.

 
They are both fantastic athletes with physical attributes most of us would kill for. What would interest me more would be their ability to learn and be coached. Vick is proving to be underachieving in the learning and coaching aspect. I don't know if Young is able to be coached and to learn as I don't follow college ball all that closely. Any insight from the college sharks?

 
You guys that think Young is a better scrambler than Vick are CRAZY. Yes Young has some good,elusive moves, but Vick does things that sometimes unbelievable.Hate Vick if you want. But give him his deserved due for his extreme talent.

 
You guys that think Young is a better scrambler than Vick are CRAZY. Yes Young has some good,elusive moves, but Vick does things that sometimes unbelievable.

Hate Vick if you want. But give him his deserved due for his extreme talent.
58 of the 77 people that have voted feel that Young after 3 yrs is better than Vick after 3 years.That was all I was curious about. The bust comment, is my opinion. Just like where he would rank in your FF scoring etc, it will all vary depending on who you ask.

I am very suprised that VY outscored Vick like that.

David said something that was very interesting. He reminded him of Randal Cunningham and I gotta say that I like the comparison. I have only really seen him run and throw short so I am not sure he can sling it like Randal but he sure did run like him.

Tom

 
You guys that think Young is a better scrambler than Vick are CRAZY. Yes Young has some good,elusive moves, but Vick does things that sometimes unbelievable.

Hate Vick if you want. But give him his deserved due for his extreme talent.
I am very suprised that VY outscored Vick like that.
Why?75% of this board would vote for any choice you put up there against Vick. Put Joe Blow 4th round pick up there and the majority on here would vote him over Vick.

 
You guys that think Young is a better scrambler than Vick are CRAZY. Yes Young has some good,elusive moves, but Vick does things that sometimes unbelievable.

Hate Vick if you want. But give him his deserved due for his extreme talent.
I am very suprised that VY outscored Vick like that.
Why?75% of this board would vote for any choice you put up there against Vick. Put Joe Blow 4th round pick up there and the majority on here would vote him over Vick.
Thats the truth right there. Also whatever is freshest is what people will think about. All thats in their minds right now is Vick struggling this past season, and Vince Young singlehandedly beating the most hyped college team in history. What ya dont remember is vick playing absolutly lights out against a Miami team that was way more talented than the USC team Young just played. They dont remember vick in college, where he was an unstoppable force. Vick has never been a numbers guy, but when it comes time for it, he was always up for the big play, whether it was an 80 yard sensational run, where he would burn CB's (does anyone seriously think young is faster then vick?), or where he would throw an 80 yard lazer to antonio bryant streaking down the sideline.

In college Vick's weakness's were yet to be exposed, much like Young's are yet to be. Go watch some highlight reels of Vick's VT career and tell me again why this should be a landslide.

 

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