Young QBs who I don't think are going to be good (1 Viewer)

[CravenM]

and when I say "good", I mean win football games - anybody can be a Jeff George throwing bombs all day long with no intention of winning the game.

Vince Young: I don't see it at all - not as good a passer as McNair coming out of college - certainly a good leader though

David Carr: Big heart, decent arm, something is missing

Aaron Rogers: I have no idea why GBay didn't take Rex Grossman the year before but Rogers isn't that good and following a legend sucks

Philip Rivers: I don't care if he started 200 games in a row at NCSU - he throws side-armed - could end up more like Jeff Garcia though

 

[ptsteelers]

I agree on Young.

I just don't see it. Yes he ran his butt off in college and yes he is talented, but he will not be able to play in the shot gun formation all the time (like he did at Texas) and just look at his ints he had ... Anyone think they will NOT be a factor in the big boy league ?

Rivers ... I don't know.

I have only had a chance to watch a few games of him at NCS, and I was impressed with what he did, but not sold on his style or arm strength ... I know, I know, you don't NEED to throw the ball 80 yards to be a good/great NFL QB, but damn, having the ability to do so doesn't hurt either.

Rodgers ?

Waste of a draft pick if you ask me ... which no-one did.

 

[pantherclub]

Rivers arm strength is solid. His leadership is his biggest asset.

 

[Big Score]

I'm sorry if I offend any of the 49er fans who visit this board, but I don't think Alex Smith is gonna cut the mustard, as an NFL QB.

 

[ptsteelers]

Rivers arm strength is solid. His leadership is his biggest asset.

That is what I've heard. but ...This is what scares me ...

draft analyst Tony Pauline -

“consummate winner. He knows how to get the job done. He has a hideous release and doesn't have the huge arm, but he'd be very good in a west coast offense or in an offense that relies on the short passing game. He looks ugly but he gets the ball to his receivers"

Just one of the many reports I have read/seen about Rivers.

Not knocking the guy ... I still think he can get the job done, but not "sold" on him as a A+ ... yet.

 

[ptsteelers]

I'm sorry if I offend any of the 49er fans who visit this board, but I don't think Alex Smith is gonna cut the mustard, as an NFL QB.

I am not going to pass ANY judgement on this kid yet ... He is not in a good situation right now. Of course, it doesn't look to get any better this year.

 

[CravenM]

I'm sorry if I offend any of the 49er fans who visit this board, but I don't think Alex Smith is gonna cut the mustard, as an NFL QB.

I am not going to pass ANY judgement on this kid yet ... He is not in a good situation right now. Of course, it doesn't look to get any better this year.

I agree which is why I didn't list him originally.The 49ers were in a bad situation a few years ago with the salary cap and still paying for it. I think Alex Smith looks like a solid offense executor, very good mechanics and relatively good decision making - just has ABSOLUTELY NO surrounding talent. WRs are forgettable, Barlow is a head case, new coach, etc.

I'll give him a couple of more years to see what happens.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Rivers arm strength is solid. His leadership is his biggest asset.

That is what I've heard. but ...This is what scares me ...

draft analyst Tony Pauline -

“consummate winner. He knows how to get the job done. He has a hideous release and doesn't have the huge arm, but he'd be very good in a west coast offense or in an offense that relies on the short passing game. He looks ugly but he gets the ball to his receivers"

Just one of the many reports I have read/seen about Rivers.

Not knocking the guy ... I still think he can get the job done, but not "sold" on him as a A+ ... yet.

Rivers doesn't have the arm strength of a Ryan Leaf, but he has better arm strength than Drew Brees.

 

[coolnerd]

Carr is no longer in the "young" QB category, especially since you have already written off Joey Harrington who was drafted @ the same time. He has started around 60 games as a pro and should be entering into his prime and whatever that entails for him.

 

[GregR_2]

Carr is no longer in the "young" QB category, especially since you have already written off Joey Harrington who was drafted @ the same time. He has started around 60 games as a pro and should be entering into his prime and whatever that entails for him.

Given the lack of competent coaching he's received, I don't think we'll see his prime for another year or two. Though if we don't see substantial improvement, even if just a reversion to 2004 production, we probably won't be seeing much more of him at all.

 

[coolnerd]

Carr is no longer in the "young" QB category, especially since you have already written off Joey Harrington who was drafted @ the same time. He has started around 60 games as a pro and should be entering into his prime and whatever that entails for him.

Given the lack of competent coaching he's received, I don't think we'll see his prime for another year or two. Though if we don't see substantial improvement, even if just a reversion to 2004 production, we probably won't be seeing much more of him at all.

Valid point. Tells you a ton about how bad the administration of the Texans has been over its short history. Serioulsy after four full years as a starter, they have no real idea of whether Carr is a bum, a superstar in a bad situation or some version of inconsistent, mediocore (my argument). One prioritiy has to be figuring out what you have behind center.

 

[T Man]

Rivers arm strength is solid.  His leadership is his biggest asset.

That is what I've heard. but ...This is what scares me ...

draft analyst Tony Pauline -

“consummate winner. He knows how to get the job done. He has a hideous release and doesn't have the huge arm, but he'd be very good in a west coast offense or in an offense that relies on the short passing game. He looks ugly but he gets the ball to his receivers"

Just one of the many reports I have read/seen about Rivers.

Not knocking the guy ... I still think he can get the job done, but not "sold" on him as a A+ ... yet.

Not a big Rivers fan, but this is the type of offense he is in and the type of offense Brees made deadly.

 

[cstu]

Rivers arm strength is solid. His leadership is his biggest asset.

That is what I've heard. but ...This is what scares me ...

draft analyst Tony Pauline -

“consummate winner. He knows how to get the job done. He has a hideous release and doesn't have the huge arm, but he'd be very good in a west coast offense or in an offense that relies on the short passing game. He looks ugly but he gets the ball to his receivers"

Just one of the many reports I have read/seen about Rivers.

Not knocking the guy ... I still think he can get the job done, but not "sold" on him as a A+ ... yet.

Rivers doesn't have the arm strength of a Ryan Leaf, but he has better arm strength than Drew Brees.

And throwing sidearm is less of an issue with a 6'5" QB.

 

[redman]

Carr is no longer in the "young" QB category, especially since you have already written off Joey Harrington who was drafted @ the same time. He has started around 60 games as a pro and should be entering into his prime and whatever that entails for him.

Given the lack of competent coaching he's received, I don't think we'll see his prime for another year or two. Though if we don't see substantial improvement, even if just a reversion to 2004 production, we probably won't be seeing much more of him at all.

At least now he's got Reggie Bush in the backfield with him to take pressure off of him.

 

[jamil]

Carr is no longer in the "young" QB category, especially since you have already written off Joey Harrington who was drafted @ the same time. He has started around 60 games as a pro and should be entering into his prime and whatever that entails for him.

Given the lack of competent coaching he's received, I don't think we'll see his prime for another year or two. Though if we don't see substantial improvement, even if just a reversion to 2004 production, we probably won't be seeing much more of him at all.

At least now he's got Reggie Bush in the backfield with him to take pressure off of him.

that just broke my heart...

 

[nightshift]

On Alex Smith: This guy has the talent, right mindset, the intelligence to a be a very good NFL QB. What he didn't have was a good team to work with. I'm not sure he's got it now, but he will have 2 excellent tight ends, a very fast WR to open the field up, an improved line, and a vet QB as a backup (don't overlook the importance of Dilfer being there).

What he doesn't have is a solid running game. Maybe next year?

On Rodgers: mixed feelings here. Being drafted to sit behind Favre didn't help. I still think he has the ability to be a decent QB, but there are a lot variables like coaching, playing time, etc. Being cut by GB would not be a bad thing for him, especially if he could sign on with a decent QB coaching staff. However, if he has a bad training camp, it probably is smart to ditch him (FF wise).

On Rivers: He'll do okay, but not like Brees. LT2 & Gates will take a significant production loss in the early games.

 

[bbuster]

I agree on Young.

I just don't see it. Yes he ran his butt off in college and yes he is talented, but he will not be able to play in the shot gun formation all the time (like he did at Texas) and just look at his ints he had ... Anyone think they will NOT be a factor in the big boy league ?

Rivers ... I don't know.

I have only had a chance to watch a few games of him at NCS, and I was impressed with what he did, but not sold on his style or arm strength ... I know, I know, you don't NEED to throw the ball 80 yards to be a good/great NFL QB, but damn, having the ability to do so doesn't hurt either.

Rodgers ?

Waste of a draft pick if you ask me ... which no-one did.

Tell me a little about Rodgers. What makes him a ''wasted pick"? I just don't know that much about him. Wasn't he originally thought to be the possible #1 overall pick. I assumed that when he fell to GB at #26 that he represented some value.