Young Stud Backup LB's and DB's (1 Viewer)

[Zoomanji]

Bumping this topic from the end of the season. I'm wondering how some of these guys may look now, post-draft and offseason moves. For example, did the drafting of Tavares Gooden kill the value of Prescott Burgess? Also, any thoughts on Desmond Bishop or Pago Togafau? GB did not draft a LB, and the Eagles didn't take on until the 6th. Does the lack of action by those teams suggest bright futures for Bishop and/or Togafau?

Burgess never had much value anyway, but I'd think the drafting of Gooden is probably a pretty big nail in his IDP coffin. Bishop is stuck behind Barnett, who isn't likely to be going anywhere after signing a big extension early in 2007. Chaos Commish still has nice things to say about him, so he's worth watching in case of injury in GB. Togafau is probably still interesting, but, while I may be underrating Stewart Bradley, he hasn't been able to force himself into the lineup against so-so competition.

Togafau looks like a ST player to me. I doubt he offers much more than Boiman.And Jene, I know your refusing to admit it but Bradley is the starter at MLB in Philly now

 

[Jene Bramel]

Bumping this topic from the end of the season. I'm wondering how some of these guys may look now, post-draft and offseason moves. For example, did the drafting of Tavares Gooden kill the value of Prescott Burgess? Also, any thoughts on Desmond Bishop or Pago Togafau? GB did not draft a LB, and the Eagles didn't take on until the 6th. Does the lack of action by those teams suggest bright futures for Bishop and/or Togafau?

Burgess never had much value anyway, but I'd think the drafting of Gooden is probably a pretty big nail in his IDP coffin. Bishop is stuck behind Barnett, who isn't likely to be going anywhere after signing a big extension early in 2007. Chaos Commish still has nice things to say about him, so he's worth watching in case of injury in GB. Togafau is probably still interesting, but, while I may be underrating Stewart Bradley, he hasn't been able to force himself into the lineup against so-so competition.

Togafau looks like a ST player to me. I doubt he offers much more than Boiman.And Jene, I know your refusing to admit it but Bradley is the starter at MLB in Philly now

Not refusing anything. I have him ranked higher than any other staffer in the redraft rankings and I'm still not sure I've got him high enough. I've also got him as an every down backer in that ongoing thread. My original minicamp note was just looking for something specific, although I admit that there really wasn't anyone else on the roster to play the MLB/WLB positions after the draft. The news that he was due to get the radio helmet has certainly solidified his status.

 

[Zoomanji]

Bumping this topic from the end of the season. I'm wondering how some of these guys may look now, post-draft and offseason moves. For example, did the drafting of Tavares Gooden kill the value of Prescott Burgess? Also, any thoughts on Desmond Bishop or Pago Togafau? GB did not draft a LB, and the Eagles didn't take on until the 6th. Does the lack of action by those teams suggest bright futures for Bishop and/or Togafau?

Burgess never had much value anyway, but I'd think the drafting of Gooden is probably a pretty big nail in his IDP coffin. Bishop is stuck behind Barnett, who isn't likely to be going anywhere after signing a big extension early in 2007. Chaos Commish still has nice things to say about him, so he's worth watching in case of injury in GB. Togafau is probably still interesting, but, while I may be underrating Stewart Bradley, he hasn't been able to force himself into the lineup against so-so competition.

Togafau looks like a ST player to me. I doubt he offers much more than Boiman.And Jene, I know your refusing to admit it but Bradley is the starter at MLB in Philly now

Not refusing anything. I have him ranked higher than any other staffer in the redraft rankings and I'm still not sure I've got him high enough. I've also got him as an every down backer in that ongoing thread. My original minicamp note was just looking for something specific, although I admit that there really wasn't anyone else on the roster to play the MLB/WLB positions after the draft. The news that he was due to get the radio helmet has certainly solidified his status.

I thought you referring to Bradley with this line "he hasn't been able to force himself into the lineup against so-so competition." but I think you meant Pago.

 

[QUEZILLA]

I am keeping an eye on Geno Hays for TB. He apparently stood out at OTA's, and could get an oprotunity if anything where to happen to DB. Most likely he will learn from him, and look to be more involved next season. I will be watching him very closely.

fwiw, he was a 6th round pick, and an early entry. Would have probably been at least a 3rd round pick if he would have stayed in school, but I hear his grades sucked.

Also, the Bucs really did not need a LB, and they still drafted him. Monte is one of the best judges of LB / DB talent around, and the Tampa-2 begins with them.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I am keeping an eye on Geno Hays for TB. He apparently stood out at OTA's, and could get an oprotunity if anything where to happen to DB. Most likely he will learn from him, and look to be more involved next season. I will be watching him very closely.fwiw, he was a 6th round pick, and an early entry. Would have probably been at least a 3rd round pick if he would have stayed in school, but I hear his grades sucked.Also, the Bucs really did not need a LB, and they still drafted him. Monte is one of the best judges of LB / DB talent around, and the Tampa-2 begins with them.

Hayes should definitely be on the watch list. Bloom had a contact that reported that the Bucs may have drafted Hayes after hearing during the draft that Cato June had back surgery by an outside doctor and wasn't progressing well.Agreed on Kiffin's ability to judge LB talent and get the most out of the questionable talent on the back of the roster. Don't agree that the DB position is very important in the Tampa-2; certainly not more important than the DL, which may as or more important than the backers as well.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I am keeping an eye on Geno Hays for TB. He apparently stood out at OTA's, and could get an oprotunity if anything where to happen to DB. Most likely he will learn from him, and look to be more involved next season. I will be watching him very closely.fwiw, he was a 6th round pick, and an early entry. Would have probably been at least a 3rd round pick if he would have stayed in school, but I hear his grades sucked.Also, the Bucs really did not need a LB, and they still drafted him. Monte is one of the best judges of LB / DB talent around, and the Tampa-2 begins with them.

Out of him, Quincy Black, and Adam Heyward, one could have massive value when Brooks rides off into the sunset.

 

[bcr8f]

I have zero doubt that Richard Marshall is going to be a perennial stud once he's a starter.

yeah but how often are corners important for ff?

5 out of the top 10 DBs in FBG scoring this year are CBs (11 out of the top 20), so i'd say pretty often.

He was the 10 highest scorer the last 6 weeks of the season here.

 

[bcr8f]

Bumping this topic from the end of the season. I'm wondering how some of these guys may look now, post-draft and offseason moves. For example, did the drafting of Tavares Gooden kill the value of Prescott Burgess? Also, any thoughts on Desmond Bishop or Pago Togafau? GB did not draft a LB, and the Eagles didn't take on until the 6th. Does the lack of action by those teams suggest bright futures for Bishop and/or Togafau?

Burgess never had much value anyway, but I'd think the drafting of Gooden is probably a pretty big nail in his IDP coffin. Bishop is stuck behind Barnett, who isn't likely to be going anywhere after signing a big extension early in 2007. Chaos Commish still has nice things to say about him, so he's worth watching in case of injury in GB. Togafau is probably still interesting, but, while I may be underrating Stewart Bradley, he hasn't been able to force himself into the lineup against so-so competition.

Tramon Williams has been lighting things up in OTA's playing CB while starters sat. They said he stuck to defenders like velcro. He has a shot to be the nickel back. From the blog-If I had to pick one player that really stood out during the OTAs, I would have to go with CB Tramon Williams. Everytime a ball was thrown to his guy, he was there like Velcro on him, usually making a play on the ball. Talked to him about it a little bit after practice. Williams said he was never a big believer in experience playing much of a role. He is now. He said he feels so much more confident and is physically more mature that it's carrying over into his play. There's really no doubting it. He's had a great camp so far and has to be looked at as the favorite at the nickel spot going into training camp.Rouse has a chance to become the starter at FS too.

 

[QUEZILLA]

I am keeping an eye on Geno Hays for TB. He apparently stood out at OTA's, and could get an oprotunity if anything where to happen to DB. Most likely he will learn from him, and look to be more involved next season. I will be watching him very closely.fwiw, he was a 6th round pick, and an early entry. Would have probably been at least a 3rd round pick if he would have stayed in school, but I hear his grades sucked.Also, the Bucs really did not need a LB, and they still drafted him. Monte is one of the best judges of LB / DB talent around, and the Tampa-2 begins with them.

Hayes should definitely be on the watch list. Bloom had a contact that reported that the Bucs may have drafted Hayes after hearing during the draft that Cato June had back surgery by an outside doctor and wasn't progressing well.Agreed on Kiffin's ability to judge LB talent and get the most out of the questionable talent on the back of the roster. Don't agree that the DB position is very important in the Tampa-2; certainly not more important than the DL, which may as or more important than the backers as well.

I meant the Tampa-2 begins with the LBs. I was talking about onte being a good judge of DB talent as well as LB. Hope that clears it up.

 

[pyite76]

Brandon McGowan could hit, but was a liability in coverage. I really would have liked to see what Kevin Payne could do, but McGowan passed him and then Payne went on the IR. They also have Josh Gattis sitting there. I think they also address the position in the draft, though.

McGowan got the start last night at SS next to Mike Brown and IMO looked great. Kid is fast and all over the field. He had 5 solos and just missed a handful of others with the 1's only playing about a quarter. If he keeps this job and plays anywhere near he did when he started at the end of last year, look out.last 5 weeks of 2007 for McGowan averaged over 11pts per game, with 27-5 tackles, a FF, INT, and 2 PD. As a Bears homer, when he starts, he produces.

 

[pretender]

Brandon McGowan could hit, but was a liability in coverage. I really would have liked to see what Kevin Payne could do, but McGowan passed him and then Payne went on the IR. They also have Josh Gattis sitting there. I think they also address the position in the draft, though.

McGowan got the start last night at SS next to Mike Brown and IMO looked great. Kid is fast and all over the field. He had 5 solos and just missed a handful of others with the 1's only playing about a quarter. If he keeps this job and plays anywhere near he did when he started at the end of last year, look out.last 5 weeks of 2007 for McGowan averaged over 11pts per game, with 27-5 tackles, a FF, INT, and 2 PD. As a Bears homer, when he starts, he produces.

Thanks! (McGowan owner in several leagues!)

 

[MAC_32]

Good info on McGowan - he looking to be a three down option this year? I have a void to fill at S in a shallower dyno and he's available when waivers open late this month.

 

[bucsbaby]

Is Blades still a good roster option for dynasty leagues? I picked him up and currently have him slotted as my defensive development player.

 

[T Bell]

Is Blades still a good roster option for dynasty leagues? I picked him up and currently have him slotted as my defensive development player.

Yes, nothing's changed. He's the 4th LB on that roster and can certainly play either WLB or MLB in the event of injury (much more likely with McIntosh than Fletcher) and might even be able to fill in at SLB. He'll be the long term starter at MLB whenever Fletcher leaves or retires.

 

[bucsbaby]

Sounds good to me, I'll keep him as my defensive DP then. thks!

 

[Tick]

Good info on McGowan - he looking to be a three down option this year? I have a void to fill at S in a shallower dyno and he's available when waivers open late this month.

I can't see why he'd leave the field.

 

[bcr8f]

Waters looking strong for Chargers

By Kevin Acee

UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

August 11, 2008

Inside linebacker is a fluid position for the Chargers, and it may have become slightly more so Saturday night.

There are no certainties at those spots, for anyone. It is not that the coaches are unhappy with what they have. To the contrary, they are pleased with the plethora of options.

There had always been the hope that depth would create this situation.

“There is great competition there,” head coach Norv Turner said yesterday.

Turner would not say exactly what that competition will look like and how it might affect playing time when the regular season begins, but there is no doubt that Anthony Waters can play. He appeared increasingly stronger in the second half Saturday, his first game action since last preseason.

With Stephen Cooper out the first four games of the regular season because of his suspension for a failed drug test, there is work to be had early. And no one has ruled out Waters eventually pushing Matt Wilhelm for plays.

Waters ran well in the Chargers' 31-17 victory over the Dallas Cowboys. He perhaps showed he still has a ways to go in becoming savvy in how to attack the ball. But he appeared to become more comfortable as the game progressed, at one point running around the left side, crossing the backfield and chasing down a man on the right after a short gain.

After missing all of last season while rehabbing a reconstructed ACL, Waters just started practicing last week following arthroscopic knee surgery July 18. Waters' inexperience means Wilhelm is safe for a while.

“(Waters) hasn't played enough,” Turner said. “He missed a week. He's going to get a chance to play more and more. We like our depth. We like what we have.”

Saturday provided a glimpse into how the Chargers will use their running backs. Darren Sproles scored a touchdown and gained 21 yards off a screen.

Rookie Jacob Hester scored on runs of 1 and 2 yards. More impressive was his knocking down Cowboys linebacker Kevin Burnett on one play and later turning inside on Adam Jones and then stiff-arming Patrick Watkins en route to a 21-yard gain.

“I thought it was a real good start for all our young backs, particularly Jacob,” Turner said. “We know (LaDainian Tomlinson) is our goal-line runner. But he (Hester) is a very good short-yardage runner and end-of-the-game runner. That's where people lose sight (of) what Michael Turner's role was. Jacob showed those qualities. There was a third-and-2 run he made, honestly the style of the run was very, very similar to what Michael Turner gave us.”

The Chargers' exceptional depth was clear Saturday, and Turner and his staff will make it a priority to continue to examine that depth as the preseason progresses.

Turner said yesterday that quarterback Philip Rivers was not the only player he will limit Saturday in St. Louis after playing many starters the bulk of the first half against Dallas.

“I want to continue to evaluate our young guys,” Turner said. “Normally in the preseason you play the starters a quarter in the first game and a half the second. I am flipping it a little bit.”

Kevin Acee: (619) 293-1857; kevin.acee@uniontrib.com

Find this article at:

http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/sports/ch...11chargers.html

 

[The Jacket]

Here's a guy to keep an eye out for if you're in deep/really deep leagues: Brandon Carr, CB, Chiefs. He's a rookie CB in the cover-2, for starters, and the Chiefs aren't going to be scared to play young guys. He's reportedly already won the nickel job, and I don't think it'll be long before he takes Patrick Surtain's starting job. Also, I think Herm Edwards sees himself in this kid, and reportedly loves him.

All reports say Brandon Flowers has been the Chiefs' most impressive DB in camp, but it's always Carr that Herm is talking about when reporters ask about the position.

 

[T Bell]

All reports say Brandon Flowers has been the Chiefs' most impressive DB in camp, but it's always Carr that Herm is talking about when reporters ask about the position.

Gotta love Herm's head games. Herm is one of those guys who thinks he's smarter than he is, and comes across like a fool (at least to me) when he tries to play head games.

 

[Wild Turkies]

Josh Wilson in Seattle is developing nicely.

Especially if you can factor in special teams in your league. Nate Burleson will be giving up punt returns now that he's the only healthy starting receiver in Seattle, and Wilson already does some kickoff returns.

WT

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Here's a guy to keep an eye out for if you're in deep/really deep leagues: Brandon Carr, CB, Chiefs. He's a rookie CB in the cover-2, for starters, and the Chiefs aren't going to be scared to play young guys. He's reportedly already won the nickel job, and I don't think it'll be long before he takes Patrick Surtain's starting job. Also, I think Herm Edwards sees himself in this kid, and reportedly loves him.

All reports say Brandon Flowers has been the Chiefs' most impressive DB in camp, but it's always Carr that Herm is talking about when reporters ask about the position.

Cecil and I interview Brandon on the Audible

 

[bcr8f]

Here's a guy to keep an eye out for if you're in deep/really deep leagues: Brandon Carr, CB, Chiefs. He's a rookie CB in the cover-2, for starters, and the Chiefs aren't going to be scared to play young guys. He's reportedly already won the nickel job, and I don't think it'll be long before he takes Patrick Surtain's starting job. Also, I think Herm Edwards sees himself in this kid, and reportedly loves him.

All reports say Brandon Flowers has been the Chiefs' most impressive DB in camp, but it's always Carr that Herm is talking about when reporters ask about the position.

Cecil and I interview Brandon on the Audible

I read Herm had his eye on him for a couple of years.

 

[The Jacket]

Gotta love Herm's head games. Herm is one of those guys who thinks he's smarter than he is, and comes across like a fool (at least to me) when he tries to play head games.

Carr at some point this season could take Surtain’s starting job. Carr is already getting some of Surtain’s snaps, partially to save wear and tear on Surtain’s ailing knee but also to help Carr prepare for what is probably inevitable.

Still, a switch between Surtain and Carr at some point seems inevitable. Herm Edwards and the Chiefs are committed to this youth movement and sometime soon, perhaps by the end of this season, only Waters, Gonzalez and perhaps Donnie Edwards will be the only aging veterans left standing.

“He knows where he’s at in his career,” Herm Edwards said of Surtain. “He knows eventually he’s going to turn the torch over to these guys. That’s what the good pros do. They know when their time is coming. They start working to help getting the young guys ready to play.”

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/745992.html

 

[The Jacket]

Here's a guy to keep an eye out for if you're in deep/really deep leagues: Brandon Carr, CB, Chiefs. He's a rookie CB in the cover-2, for starters, and the Chiefs aren't going to be scared to play young guys. He's reportedly already won the nickel job, and I don't think it'll be long before he takes Patrick Surtain's starting job. Also, I think Herm Edwards sees himself in this kid, and reportedly loves him.

All reports say Brandon Flowers has been the Chiefs' most impressive DB in camp, but it's always Carr that Herm is talking about when reporters ask about the position.

Cecil and I interview Brandon on the Audible

Thanks. Nice interview. I like this kid's work ethic.

 

[Badm]

Well, I just got eliminated from making the playoffs. My team has some decent players and a bunch of marginals. Waivers are open for 3 more weeks and I would like to remove my marginals and stock pile them with possible studs who are awaiting a chance at playing. Adibi comes to mind as an immediate, picked him up 3 weeks ago. Who are some others.....

Charles Johnson DL Carolina, stashed him away. When he has gotten the playing time, he has played well. Hopefully will get a starting gig next year...

Leodis McKelvin DB BUf.....Just picked him up and he put up huge game. Might not be available in some leagues, thoughts on him next year?

Sabby Piscatelli DB TB....Picked him up several weeks, been marginal so far......

Tavares Gooden LB Balt......Got hurt, might have a chance next year?

Dan Connor LB Car.......Got pimped in here as a young stud....will he see playing time next year?

Others.................

 

[MAC_32]

I have Gooden and Guyton currently stashed.

I'm not particularly high on Connor but if he's on waivers it may be worth it just to see, I don't think he has 3 down upside though.

The winner of the 09 battle between Kehl/Goff may carry some value, I like Goff more but the Giants seem to like Kehl more. I'll defer to the Giants.

Antwaun Molden's a guy I loved coming up, he's getting his opportunity now and may be given an opportunity for 3 downs in 09 camp. I love run stuffing corners.

Marcus Howard's a guy I thought fit perfectly into Indy's scheme, but haven't kept up with his situation. Any updates? I know he's sitting behind Freeney and Mathis until injury/old age, but you never know when opportunity will come knocking.

That's what I've got off the top of my head anyway...

 

[Pick]

I heard good things early on about LB Clint Session IND and he has recently been putting up the numbers.