Sabertooth
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Who are your top 12 picks for 2015? I don't follow the college game so I need a starting point for research. Cooper seems to be a lock but who else is on your radar?
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Your 2015 Rookie Top 12? (1 Viewer)
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Spookytooth
Footballguy
1) Gordon - I'm from Wisconsin and just can't see how he is not a regular top ten guy. Much better than Ball.
2) Gurley - If not for injury, it would be murkier between he and Gordon. If healthy, both are RB 1's though.
3) Cooper - I will defer to the majority of experts that have him as the top WR, at least at this point.
4) Parker - WR1 in future
5) White - WR1 in future
6) DGB - The other three are too neck and neck with him that you have to bump him down due to off field
7) Coleman - I think he is the clear #3 back
8) Strong - a notch below the WR's ahead of him and a notch above the Wr's after him
9) Funchess - this assumes TE eligibility. In that case, he has to go about where Ebron went last year in your draft
10) Yeldon - less dominance given the balance and system at Alabama, but should perform well as a starter in NFL
11) Johnson - Duke should be relevant in 2015 if put in a decent situation
12) Abdullah - I see him having a Gio type career and rookie year regardless of where he ends up.
*** Unless you are in a two QB league, I'd take these twelve over Winston and Mariotta
2) Gurley - If not for injury, it would be murkier between he and Gordon. If healthy, both are RB 1's though.
3) Cooper - I will defer to the majority of experts that have him as the top WR, at least at this point.
4) Parker - WR1 in future
5) White - WR1 in future
6) DGB - The other three are too neck and neck with him that you have to bump him down due to off field
7) Coleman - I think he is the clear #3 back
8) Strong - a notch below the WR's ahead of him and a notch above the Wr's after him
9) Funchess - this assumes TE eligibility. In that case, he has to go about where Ebron went last year in your draft
10) Yeldon - less dominance given the balance and system at Alabama, but should perform well as a starter in NFL
11) Johnson - Duke should be relevant in 2015 if put in a decent situation
12) Abdullah - I see him having a Gio type career and rookie year regardless of where he ends up.
*** Unless you are in a two QB league, I'd take these twelve over Winston and Mariotta
JohnnyU
Footballguy
No way would I risk a high pick on Dorial Green-Beckham, especially after the Josh Gordon fiasco. DGB has pot in his past, so he could have pot in his future, so that is too much risk for a high pick IMO.
Grimace59
Footballguy
Players right now I can see contending to be first round picks in rookie drafts-in no particular order.
QB-
Mariotta
Winston
RB-
Gordon
Gurley
Ajayi
Coleman
Abdullah
Coleman
Duke Johnson
Yeldon
Cobb
David Johnson
WR-
Cooper
DGB
Parker
Strong
White
Coates
TE-
Max Williams
Clive Walford
Than add in Funchess who could be a WR or TE.
Not saying these are people I'd take in top 12, but players right now I think have a solid chance. That's a ton of RB's but it's early yet and landing spot will make a huge impact. I always keep in mind stuff like most people were not crazy on Leveon Bell until he got drafted into a likely walk in starter job, was a borderline top 10 RB on most peoples rankings before the real draft. So I feel comfortable saying that large an amount of RB's should fall under consideration knowing what we know today.
QB-
Mariotta
Winston
RB-
Gordon
Gurley
Ajayi
Coleman
Abdullah
Coleman
Duke Johnson
Yeldon
Cobb
David Johnson
WR-
Cooper
DGB
Parker
Strong
White
Coates
TE-
Max Williams
Clive Walford
Than add in Funchess who could be a WR or TE.
Not saying these are people I'd take in top 12, but players right now I think have a solid chance. That's a ton of RB's but it's early yet and landing spot will make a huge impact. I always keep in mind stuff like most people were not crazy on Leveon Bell until he got drafted into a likely walk in starter job, was a borderline top 10 RB on most peoples rankings before the real draft. So I feel comfortable saying that large an amount of RB's should fall under consideration knowing what we know today.
Pwingles
Footballguy
CloseI personally like parker a bit more but white will be very good imo.
I think you could rank them the same and let their post draft situation be the tie breaker
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's not my list, but I too haven't put him in my top 12. Maybe that changes, I'm not sure.
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dirtyjay
Footballguy
I like coleman but I like others more right now plus we know this will not be the top 12 come draft day.
Grimace59
Footballguy
Sounds good, after the draft is done I can see Coleman and Ajayi fighting to be the 3rd RB off the board.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
1. Todd Gurley RB Georgia - best talent in the class. He was injured much of 2013 and then tore his ACL in 2014. Is he durable enough?
2. Melvin Gordon RB Wisconsin -Very good back. Likely to put up multiple RB1 seasons.
3. Amari Cooper WR Alabama- -Not quite as high on him as I was Sammy Watkins. Top 10 NFL pick. 124/1727/16 in 2014
4. DeVante Parker WR Louisville -Legit WR1 ability. Hurt early in 2014, dominated after he returned. Top 20 pick
5. Kevin White WR West Virginia -Also has legit WR1 ability. Dominated for a long part of the season. 109/1447/10 in 2014 Top 20 pick.
6. Tevin Coleman RB Indiana -Runs upright, but talented.
7. Dorial Green-Beckham WR Oklahoma/Mizzou -Lots of off field red flags. talent wise, it's him and Gurley at the top. All about your risk tolerance.
8. TJ Yeldon RB Alabama -I'm higher on him than most, but he does have some legit questions about his lateral agility.
9. Ameer Abdullah RB Nebraska -low center of gravity. Will have success in NFL. I think he's a RBBC guy.
10. Jay Ajayi RB Boise St -Another good back. Probably another RBBC guy.
11. Sammie Coates WR Auburn -This is more about size/speed than anything. He's built like Terrell Owens, but also seems raw and has suspect hands.
12. Jaelen Strong WR Ariz St -I don't think he's got a huge upside, but looks like a starting NFL WR.
13. Devin Funchess WR/TE Michigan -As mentioned this is all about TE eligibility. If he's a TE, I'd move him up 4-5 spots. If not, around here.
14. Maxx Williams TE Minnesota -Likely the #1 TE if Funchess is a WR. Solid prospect, but landing spot is very important.
15. Duke Johnson RB Miami -Good RB. Just can't stay healthy.
2. Melvin Gordon RB Wisconsin -Very good back. Likely to put up multiple RB1 seasons.
3. Amari Cooper WR Alabama- -Not quite as high on him as I was Sammy Watkins. Top 10 NFL pick. 124/1727/16 in 2014
4. DeVante Parker WR Louisville -Legit WR1 ability. Hurt early in 2014, dominated after he returned. Top 20 pick
5. Kevin White WR West Virginia -Also has legit WR1 ability. Dominated for a long part of the season. 109/1447/10 in 2014 Top 20 pick.
6. Tevin Coleman RB Indiana -Runs upright, but talented.
7. Dorial Green-Beckham WR Oklahoma/Mizzou -Lots of off field red flags. talent wise, it's him and Gurley at the top. All about your risk tolerance.
8. TJ Yeldon RB Alabama -I'm higher on him than most, but he does have some legit questions about his lateral agility.
9. Ameer Abdullah RB Nebraska -low center of gravity. Will have success in NFL. I think he's a RBBC guy.
10. Jay Ajayi RB Boise St -Another good back. Probably another RBBC guy.
11. Sammie Coates WR Auburn -This is more about size/speed than anything. He's built like Terrell Owens, but also seems raw and has suspect hands.
12. Jaelen Strong WR Ariz St -I don't think he's got a huge upside, but looks like a starting NFL WR.
13. Devin Funchess WR/TE Michigan -As mentioned this is all about TE eligibility. If he's a TE, I'd move him up 4-5 spots. If not, around here.
14. Maxx Williams TE Minnesota -Likely the #1 TE if Funchess is a WR. Solid prospect, but landing spot is very important.
15. Duke Johnson RB Miami -Good RB. Just can't stay healthy.
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Skoo
Footballguy
If somehow the Eagles can get Mariota I'd be all over him in a rookie draft -
And I am firmly in the "Drafting RBs wins you championships" camp.
Could put up massive numbers in Chip's system, and could do it for a long time while it's very rare these days that a RB maintains elite status for more than 2-3 years.
And I am firmly in the "Drafting RBs wins you championships" camp.
Could put up massive numbers in Chip's system, and could do it for a long time while it's very rare these days that a RB maintains elite status for more than 2-3 years.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I got an offer today giving me Gio in exchange for the 6 overall pick in a superflex. Think I'll pass based on some of the information I'm seeing above.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
It's a fair offer IMO. I'd be tempted to take it. I think Hill is clearly better than Gio, and will get most TDs to boot. I think Gio is likely going to be the lesser portion of a RBBC going forward.
This is a good RB class. If one of those top RBs goes to Dallas, or another prime job, they become a top 5 pick. If Coleman goes to Dallas in RD2 and Murray leaves, he could be the 1.1. That pushes White or Parker down to 1.6. There also might be another good back hitting a prime situation that would be available at 1.6
ETA: We now have a pretty good idea what Gio is in the NFL. IMO that's a pretty good RB on a run heavy team. However, he's also now playing with a physically superior RB on the same roster. I think Abdullah and Ajayi are similar talents to Gio. We don't have the certainty of knowing that they will be as good in the NFL. What they do offer is more potential. That is based on the likely ability at 1.6 to pick a RB in a better situation.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. I thought about it but the value of that 6 overall pick is going to increase once all the rookies find a team. I also own Hill so there is some serious handcuff value there.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Pet peeve time.
I know everyone wants to be cool and speak short hand but its early January and not everyone is up on the players mentioned on lists let alone where they went to school or basic things like oh, what position they played and one of the most basic things that people can do is to make a list where they put in the first and last names of the players and to also put in the position they play before adding other basic information like how much they weigh, their height, if they are seniors or underclassmen, what system they come from, etc.
But come on.
How about doing the absolute minimum and put in the first and last name of players because these are draft prospects that not everyone knows and some guys share the same last names, oh and put in the positions they play. The only one who put in basic information about what position these guy play was menobrown. I don't think its really that difficult to put in first and last names and what position a guy plays. Sure it would take a bit more effort to put in their draft status and ht./wt. and some other tidbits but most people who are not as familiar as the guys who make lists would really appreciate as much information as possible rather than just lists of last names.
I know everyone wants to be cool and speak short hand but its early January and not everyone is up on the players mentioned on lists let alone where they went to school or basic things like oh, what position they played and one of the most basic things that people can do is to make a list where they put in the first and last names of the players and to also put in the position they play before adding other basic information like how much they weigh, their height, if they are seniors or underclassmen, what system they come from, etc.
But come on.
How about doing the absolute minimum and put in the first and last name of players because these are draft prospects that not everyone knows and some guys share the same last names, oh and put in the positions they play. The only one who put in basic information about what position these guy play was menobrown. I don't think its really that difficult to put in first and last names and what position a guy plays. Sure it would take a bit more effort to put in their draft status and ht./wt. and some other tidbits but most people who are not as familiar as the guys who make lists would really appreciate as much information as possible rather than just lists of last names.
dirtyjay
Footballguy
no offense but your complaining is petty people are being nice to start a discussion and provide some early lists and you bring up names and positions. Im under the impression people who visit this site in january have a basic understanding of the rokkies in the first round.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I watch zero college football and have no idea who most of those players are so I agree that perhaps posting a full name and position would be nice to see. I'm on the site daily but not to read up necessarily on rookies yet, the NFL season is still happening.
A pet peeve I have is punctuation. That first sentence from Bracie might be the longest single sentence I've ever read. How about a period here and there to break that thing up?
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
While I agree with dirtyjay, I just went through and added first names and position and school. Most people here probably know that info, but the OP did say he doesn't follow college football.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Why not simply ask for more detail and throw in a please.Bracie Smathers said:
Sincerely,
your keyboard.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Why add height and weight when its probably wrong anyway. Combine will clear that part up.
Anyone know if NFL network has some sort of fantasy rookie special coming up anytime soon?
Anyone know if NFL network has some sort of fantasy rookie special coming up anytime soon?
RaiderBones
Footballguy
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I would jump all over that deal if I were you. But I am much higher on Gio than most. I own Hill and I gave what turned out to be the 4 and 5 overall for gio mid season last year. I would still give close to that now. How do we know that Parker or white are legit nfl stars? Could be looking at aj Jenkins or tavon Austin career paths for all I know. I think Gio has proven that he can excel in fantasy even splitting time with Hill. I trust that offense to be very run heavy next few years and I'll start both Hill and Gio every week until that proves ineffective.Sabertooth said:
I can see more value in your 6 being a super flex, but I would still do it
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The best thing for Gio and Hill owners would be for them to trade Gio, but his cost is cheap and he's not a FA until 2017. That's the bad news. The good news is they can both be productive if the Bengals uses Gio correctly in the passing game and quit trying to run him between the tackles. However, I doubt either will ever reach stud status consistently as long as both are on the team.
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dirtyjay
Footballguy
Trading shouldnt be about getting one over on someone it should be about bettering your team. What does that the pick or gio?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I voiced a pet peeve and didn't rip anyone individually because this happens every year where we see lists of last names with nothing else. I finally said something and the grammar police try to arrest me. Really?
If a list that includes first and last names and the position the player plays then anyone reading the list can more easily look up information on the player.
If a list that includes first and last names and the position the player plays then anyone reading the list can more easily look up information on the player.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I didn't say it was
I said the best thing for Gio and Hill owners would be if the Bengals traded Gio, but that wouldn't be good for the Bengals because Gio's contract is cheap and he isn't a FA until 2017.
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Two different human beings. I don't like comparisons with this type of stuff. DGB has kept his act clean and made zero noise in the past year. I can see that continuing. Some guys "get it" after they get made an example of. I feel like he's one of them. Let's not forget, is there weed in his past? Sure. But he never failed a drug test while at school. They were possession incidents. Am I saying he doesn't smoke weed? Of course not. Am I saying he might actually be in control of his use unlike Gordon? Yes.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's a big risk to take when you're risking an early 1st rd pick, say 1.4 or better, on a guy with this much baggage. I would much rather throw a dart at Parker or White over DGB.
EBF
Footballguy
I agree with that part of what you said. Especially when you're talking about a guy who hasn't actually taken the next step statistically to show he can dominate.JohnnyU said:
Thinking back on it, Randy Moss had a lot of risk out of Marshall, but at least he had proven himself with an insane final season at Marshall. With DGB I think the mock draft projections are based more on what he might become as opposed to what he has actually proven. If the league deems him worthy of a 1st or 2nd despite all the issues then I can't overlook that. However, I don't know how you can draft the guy with supreme confidence given the production and character question marks unless you just love what you see in his clips.
Pwingles
Footballguy
Me thinks you two either need to do some research on your own, or deal with the info in this thread. You kidding me?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
A lot needs to happen between now and May for me to put Gordon over Gurley, and I love Gordon.
Edit: and, honestly, I'm not going to think about it too much because I don't have a top 2 pick and the price to get one is/will be ridiculous.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
I would love to see your list MAC with the understanding that much of this will change after the draft.
Here is my attempt at a top 12 for fantasy football-
RB Melvin Gordon
WR Amari Cooper
WR DeVante Parker
WR Sammie Coates
WR Kevin White
RB Todd Gurley
RB Jay Ajayi
RB Tevin Coleman
WR Jalen Strong
RB Duke Johnson
WR Dorial Green-Beckham
RB TJ Yeldon
WR/TE Devin Funchess
MAC_32
Footballguy
Coleman is my third rb. I'm at odds behind him. Knee jerk, between my talent eval and where I expect them to be picked, Duke and Mike Davis. Abdullah is the most interesting, but I hate that he hasn't performed well vs stronger defenses. I can look past the size issues with production, but... Ajayi's a hot name, but I really haven't been wowed watching him. Apparently this David Johnson guy is making a name for himself now too. Yieldon will probably be drafted into the best situation, and I think he is a very good rb, but he barely makes my top ten from a talent perspective in this stacked class. All that said, on the field, I like Buck Allen and David Cobb more than all of them.Wr? Cooper and Parker are probably going to be somewhere in my top 7. Where depends on the backs. After them? I'm a Strong fan, but I also understand that White will probably be drafted before him. I know I appear anti Funchess, but I'm not. He's next. He just frustrates the hell out of me watching him. DGB is the wild card. Those are the last I'll consider inside the top 12. I think there's a significant drop off after them, situation and value will steer me in certain directions but they all have warts at this point. Funchess and DGB included.
I'm more likely to have Mariota than Maxx in my top 12. Winston won't. He will have to fall a ways for me to roll that dice.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I like Coleman a lot also and consider him and Ajayi to be essentially the same type of prospect. I have Ajayi ranked higher in part because of handling a larger work load in college and being more involved in the passing game. But Coleman has more efficient production in yards/carry. I think both show some good wiggle and shiftyness as well as vision and speed.
I don't really have a clear tier break right now but I do think there is one naturally between the top 5 above Gurley who I consider somewhat of a risk because of his injury and it not being clear to me when he will be healthy enough to contribute to whichever team drafts him. I do put a lot of emphasis on players being able to contribute right away, especially at RB.
Still very early in the process as well. I will likely change my mind 100 or so times between now and the draft.
I don't really have a clear tier break right now but I do think there is one naturally between the top 5 above Gurley who I consider somewhat of a risk because of his injury and it not being clear to me when he will be healthy enough to contribute to whichever team drafts him. I do put a lot of emphasis on players being able to contribute right away, especially at RB.
Still very early in the process as well. I will likely change my mind 100 or so times between now and the draft.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
This time of year I like to rely on NFLDraftScout for general info of the kind the OP and Bracie are looking for.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2015/RB for example is their RB list, and go to the drop down menu for other positions.
In addition to full name, school, and ht/wt (which gets adjusted I believe after the combine), they also give their guesses as to NFL draft round. And they are continually updating these lists up to the NFL draft.
While it's not a rookie fantasy ranking, for most this is a good source early on so you have a handle on the names and ballpark NFL draft round.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2015/RB for example is their RB list, and go to the drop down menu for other positions.
In addition to full name, school, and ht/wt (which gets adjusted I believe after the combine), they also give their guesses as to NFL draft round. And they are continually updating these lists up to the NFL draft.
While it's not a rookie fantasy ranking, for most this is a good source early on so you have a handle on the names and ballpark NFL draft round.
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Zyphros
Footballguy
I generally use WalterFootball to figure out the names of the guys I'm not familiar with. Put them all on a sheet and watch them 1 by 1.
