Your attitudes toward gays and gay rights (1 Viewer)

[belljr]

grew up in the same time frame, thought it was wrong, part religion even though now i am not religious.

the running joke in the garage i worked at during summers was the new kid would ask the same guy for a ####### during break time. this was my dads shop. still dont get it but do support their rights.

i however still make inappropriate comments to friends , make "gay" jokes and still have called things gay or my buddy a ######. i know its wrong and would never say that to someone i know is gay. i have worked with a few gay men, wasnt uncomfortable or anything just saying i have been around a gay person.

i will say i still have a "tough time" with flamboyant gays. Just aggravates me

 

[Henry Ford]

Why do you think there are more gay men than women?

I don't. Why do you?

In Sex and Reason, the author goes through data from various times and places and concludes that while overall rates of homosexuality have differed quite a bit (from ancient Greece to modern Arkansas, for example), one thing that seems to remain fairly constant is that male homosexuality is about twice as frequent as female homosexuality in any given population.

And I assume you have read Sex and Reason and know who Richard Posner is? And you lend strong credence to his methodology for determining historical rates of homosexuality between the sexes?If I'm being unclear: as I recall, Posner discusses homosexual behavior in those terms, not orientation. Posner also believes that homosexual orientation is innate and not some idiotic result of wanting to be more like women.

 

[Henry Ford]

I think we can all differentiate between so-called "opportunistic" homosexual behavior ("prison gay") and homosexual orientation, right?

 

[Eminence]

I think we can all differentiate between so-called "opportunistic" homosexual behavior ("prison gay") and homosexual orientation, right?

What about "opportunistic" as far as society goes? Being that, a young man sees homosexuality being glorified on television (as a normal behavior) and then goes down paths he normally would not had he not been exposed to it via the media.

It's in the same vein as these school shootings, monkey-see: monkey-do.

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Anatomically, all males would theoretically derive pleasure from their prostate gland. I just don't think normalizing this type of behavior is good for society. If you grow up and you've banged a few girls and decide you don't enjoy the immense pleasure of inserting your #### into a ######, then hey, good for you.

But nowadays, it's being hammered into our youth's head that "you were always this way and there's nothing you can do! even though all your ancestors were perfectly fine, you're different and special!".

 

[belljr]

I think we can all differentiate between so-called "opportunistic" homosexual behavior ("prison gay") and homosexual orientation, right?

What about "opportunistic" as far as society goes? Being that, a young man sees homosexuality being glorified on television (as a normal behavior) and then goes down paths he normally would not had he not been exposed to it via the media.

It's in the same vein as these school shootings, monkey-see: monkey-do.

heads ######, tails its balls across the nose.... aggggggga

 

[Eminence]

And on another note, growing up, in middle-school at least I only recalled one kid that was obviously gay. And you know what? He came from a household without a father; he only had his mother and sister to emulate. Gee, I wonder why he tended to act feminine and came out as gay a few years later...

I'm sure that was just a coincidence though and he was "born that way".

 

[belljr]

there is a small part of me deep down thats hopes this isnt an alias

 

[Henry Ford]

I think we can all differentiate between so-called "opportunistic" homosexual behavior ("prison gay") and homosexual orientation, right?

What about "opportunistic" as far as society goes? Being that, a young man sees homosexuality being glorified on television (as a normal behavior) and then goes down paths he normally would not had he not been exposed to it via the media.

It's in the same vein as these school shootings, monkey-see: monkey-do.

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Anatomically, all males would theoretically derive pleasure from their prostate gland. I just don't think normalizing this type of behavior is good for society. If you grow up and you've banged a few girls and decide you don't enjoy the immense pleasure of inserting your #### into a ######, then hey, good for you.

But nowadays, it's being hammered into our youth's head that "you were always this way and there's nothing you can do! even though all your ancestors were perfectly fine, you're different and special!".

You could have just said "no, I don't understand the concept."

 

[Henry Ford]

And on another note, growing up, in middle-school at least I only recalled one kid that was obviously gay. And you know what? He came from a household without a father; he only had his mother and sister to emulate. Gee, I wonder why he tended to act feminine and came out as gay a few years later...

I'm sure that was just a coincidence though and he was "born that way".

You're a national treasure. Please stay buried.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Why do you think there are more gay men than women?

I don't. Why do you?

In Sex and Reason, the author goes through data from various times and places and concludes that while overall rates of homosexuality have differed quite a bit (from ancient Greece to modern Arkansas, for example), one thing that seems to remain fairly constant is that male homosexuality is about twice as frequent as female homosexuality in any given population.

And I assume you have read Sex and Reason and know who Richard Posner is?

Yes.

And you lend strong credence to his methodology for determining historical rates of homosexuality between the sexes?

I don't think he has a methodology aside from looking at other people's research.

If I'm being unclear: as I recall, Posner discusses homosexual behavior in those terms, not orientation.

I read Sex and Reason in about 1997, but as I recall, he discusses both behavior and orientation, and was critical of Kinsey for inferring orientation from behavior when prisoners were overrepresented in his sample.

Posner also believes that homosexual orientation is innate and not some idiotic result of wanting to be more like women.

Of course.

 

[Henry Ford]

Why do you think there are more gay men than women?

I don't. Why do you?

In Sex and Reason, the author goes through data from various times and places and concludes that while overall rates of homosexuality have differed quite a bit (from ancient Greece to modern Arkansas, for example), one thing that seems to remain fairly constant is that male homosexuality is about twice as frequent as female homosexuality in any given population.

And I assume you have read Sex and Reason and know who Richard Posner is?

Yes.

And you lend strong credence to his methodology for determining historical rates of homosexuality between the sexes?

I don't think he has a methodology other than looking at other people's research.

If I'm being unclear: as I recall, Posner discusses homosexual behavior in those terms, not orientation.

I read Sex and Reason in about 1997, but as I recall, he discusses both behavior and orientation, and was critical of Kinsey for focusing on behavior rather than orientation (when prisoners were overrepresented in his sample, so behavior may not have accurately reflected orientation).

Posner also believes that homosexual orientation is innate and not some idiotic result of wanting to be more like women.

Of course.

I think he discussed both, too, but said that the research shows higher instances of homosexual behavior in men (not orientation) and criticized the sampling, as you said. It's also been a good dozen years since I read it, but I don't recall any sweeping conclusions about the instances of orientation (versus behavior) in the way I took your post to mean.

 

[Eminence]

I think we can all differentiate between so-called "opportunistic" homosexual behavior ("prison gay") and homosexual orientation, right?

What about "opportunistic" as far as society goes? Being that, a young man sees homosexuality being glorified on television (as a normal behavior) and then goes down paths he normally would not had he not been exposed to it via the media.

It's in the same vein as these school shootings, monkey-see: monkey-do.

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Anatomically, all males would theoretically derive pleasure from their prostate gland. I just don't think normalizing this type of behavior is good for society. If you grow up and you've banged a few girls and decide you don't enjoy the immense pleasure of inserting your #### into a ######, then hey, good for you.

But nowadays, it's being hammered into our youth's head that "you were always this way and there's nothing you can do! even though all your ancestors were perfectly fine, you're different and special!".

You could have just said "no, I don't understand the concept."

No bro, I added to the discussion. You're just being a jerk. Sorry I have an opinion, thought this was America.

 

[Eminence]

I'm not saying that a % of the homosexual population aren't born that way and had absolutely '0 chance' of being heterosexual. However, I don't believe it is as common or as normal of a behavior as the media and society plays it off to be. And because it is being viewed as "normal", I think more young people are now looking at it as a potential lifestyle choice whereas in the past they wouldn't have.

Again, agree to disagree but I am a 22 year old male living this a world where the white male is being demonized and men are becoming more and more feminine...

 

[belljr]

its late, im tired so oll bite on the fishing trip...

you honestly believe guys are saying you know what sucking **** must not be too bad, ill pick that

 

[Eminence]

its late, im tired so oll bite on the fishing trip...

you honestly believe guys are saying you know what sucking **** must not be too bad, ill pick that

Not men, children, yes.

EDIT: You don't think it's more likely that in a society where homosexuality is encouraged and accepted that a higher population of the youth might experiment or question their sexuality? C'mon man, I think you're overestimating the intelligence of kids and teenagers.

You literally cannot turn on television without hearing a gay reference or seeing a gay person. It's everywhere, it's normal, and on shows like Glee it's "hip".

 

[Eminence]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMb7MjyFTEE

This is a clip from Rock of Ages a movie that is rated PG-13. Watch this and tell me it isn't promoting homosexuality.

EDIT: You don't think a kid who watches this is any more or less likely to be gay (or have gay thoughts) than a kid who doesn't?

 

[Henry Ford]

I think we can all differentiate between so-called "opportunistic" homosexual behavior ("prison gay") and homosexual orientation, right?

What about "opportunistic" as far as society goes? Being that, a young man sees homosexuality being glorified on television (as a normal behavior) and then goes down paths he normally would not had he not been exposed to it via the media.

It's in the same vein as these school shootings, monkey-see: monkey-do.

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Anatomically, all males would theoretically derive pleasure from their prostate gland. I just don't think normalizing this type of behavior is good for society. If you grow up and you've banged a few girls and decide you don't enjoy the immense pleasure of inserting your #### into a ######, then hey, good for you.

But nowadays, it's being hammered into our youth's head that "you were always this way and there's nothing you can do! even though all your ancestors were perfectly fine, you're different and special!".

You could have just said "no, I don't understand the concept."

No bro, I added to the discussion. You're just being a jerk. Sorry I have an opinion, thought this was America.

When you add to a discussion by attempting to change a term to mean an asinine concept you made up in your stoned, mysogynistic mind, you should expect people to think you don't understand the term.

 

[belljr]

its late, im tired so oll bite on the fishing trip...

you honestly believe guys are saying you know what sucking **** must not be too bad, ill pick that

Not men, children, yes.

EDIT: You don't think it's more likely that in a society where homosexuality is encouraged and accepted that a higher population of the youth might experiment or question their sexuality? C'mon man, I think you're overestimating the intelligence of kids and teenagers.

You literally cannot turn on television without hearing a gay reference or seeing a gay person. It's everywhere, it's normal, and on shows like Glee it's "hip".

since i raised a straight son who is now 20 ill say nope,most kids i know dont ####### watch glee

 

[Henry Ford]

its late, im tired so oll bite on the fishing trip...

you honestly believe guys are saying you know what sucking **** must not be too bad, ill pick that

Not men, children, yes.

EDIT: You don't think it's more likely that in a society where homosexuality is encouraged and accepted that a higher population of the youth might experiment or question their sexuality? C'mon man, I think you're overestimating the intelligence of kids and teenagers.

You literally cannot turn on television without hearing a gay reference or seeing a gay person. It's everywhere, it's normal, and on shows like Glee it's "hip".

Experimenting or questioning your sexuality wouldn't make you a homosexual. Not that I'm staying you have or did, I'm just saying it wouldn't.

 

[Eminence]

I think we can all differentiate between so-called "opportunistic" homosexual behavior ("prison gay") and homosexual orientation, right?

What about "opportunistic" as far as society goes? Being that, a young man sees homosexuality being glorified on television (as a normal behavior) and then goes down paths he normally would not had he not been exposed to it via the media.

It's in the same vein as these school shootings, monkey-see: monkey-do.

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Anatomically, all males would theoretically derive pleasure from their prostate gland. I just don't think normalizing this type of behavior is good for society. If you grow up and you've banged a few girls and decide you don't enjoy the immense pleasure of inserting your #### into a ######, then hey, good for you.

But nowadays, it's being hammered into our youth's head that "you were always this way and there's nothing you can do! even though all your ancestors were perfectly fine, you're different and special!".

You could have just said "no, I don't understand the concept."

No bro, I added to the discussion. You're just being a jerk. Sorry I have an opinion, thought this was America.

When you add to a discussion by attempting to change a term to mean an asinine concept you made up in your stoned, mysogynistic mind, you should expect people to think you don't understand the term.

Listen man, I got what you were saying. Opportunistic as in the lack of ###### in jail; orientation as in naturally occurring regardless of environment. Get over yourself, we've all read books.

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm reminded again of my favorite saying about homophobia...

Homophobia isn't the fear of homosexuals. It's the fear of being treated the way we treat women.

 

[Henry Ford]

I think we can all differentiate between so-called "opportunistic" homosexual behavior ("prison gay") and homosexual orientation, right?

What about "opportunistic" as far as society goes? Being that, a young man sees homosexuality being glorified on television (as a normal behavior) and then goes down paths he normally would not had he not been exposed to it via the media.

It's in the same vein as these school shootings, monkey-see: monkey-do.

-

Anatomically, all males would theoretically derive pleasure from their prostate gland. I just don't think normalizing this type of behavior is good for society. If you grow up and you've banged a few girls and decide you don't enjoy the immense pleasure of inserting your #### into a ######, then hey, good for you.

But nowadays, it's being hammered into our youth's head that "you were always this way and there's nothing you can do! even though all your ancestors were perfectly fine, you're different and special!".

You could have just said "no, I don't understand the concept."

No bro, I added to the discussion. You're just being a jerk. Sorry I have an opinion, thought this was America.

When you add to a discussion by attempting to change a term to mean an asinine concept you made up in your stoned, mysogynistic mind, you should expect people to think you don't understand the term.

Listen man, I got what you're saying. Opportunistic as in the lack of ###### in jail; orientation as in naturally occurring regardless of environment. Get over yourself, we've all read books.

I'm not convinced that we all have. Certainly not on this topic.

 

[belljr]

you know how i know your gay...

you used Glee as an example .

 

[jon_mx]

its late, im tired so oll bite on the fishing trip...

you honestly believe guys are saying you know what sucking **** must not be too bad, ill pick that

Not men, children, yes.

EDIT: You don't think it's more likely that in a society where homosexuality is encouraged and accepted that a higher population of the youth might experiment or question their sexuality? C'mon man, I think you're overestimating the intelligence of kids and teenagers.

You literally cannot turn on television without hearing a gay reference or seeing a gay person. It's everywhere, it's normal, and on shows like Glee it's "hip".

Experimenting or questioning your sexuality wouldn't make you a homosexual. Not that I'm staying you have or did, I'm just saying it wouldn't.

So sucking #### doesn't make you a homosexual.....but enjoying it does?

 

[Henry Ford]

its late, im tired so oll bite on the fishing trip...

you honestly believe guys are saying you know what sucking **** must not be too bad, ill pick that

Not men, children, yes.

EDIT: You don't think it's more likely that in a society where homosexuality is encouraged and accepted that a higher population of the youth might experiment or question their sexuality? C'mon man, I think you're overestimating the intelligence of kids and teenagers.

You literally cannot turn on television without hearing a gay reference or seeing a gay person. It's everywhere, it's normal, and on shows like Glee it's "hip".

Experimenting or questioning your sexuality wouldn't make you a homosexual. Not that I'm staying you have or did, I'm just saying it wouldn't.

So sucking #### doesn't make you a homosexual.....but enjoying it does?

Being oriented to sexual attraction exclusively to men makes you homosexual. Or at least strongly preferential to men.

So, I guess to your example, wanting to to the exclusion of wanting sexual contact with women could mean you're homosexual.

 

[mad sweeney]

I'm not saying that a % of the homosexual population aren't born that way and had absolutely '0 chance' of being heterosexual. However, I don't believe it is as common or as normal of a behavior as the media and society plays it off to be. And because it is being viewed as "normal", I think more young people are now looking at it as a potential lifestyle choice whereas in the past they wouldn't have.

Again, agree to disagree but I am a 22 year old male living this a world where the white male is being demonized and men are becoming more and more feminine...

You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not that people see it as a more acceptable choice they can make. They see it as they don't "have to be scared of being dragged behind a truck until they're dead just for being who they are so they never come to terms with themselves and live life as a miserable fraud and make their beard family miserable as well" anymore. Unfortunately, closeted, self hating guys like you will always be around to still make people second guess themselves and live in fear. And while we're talking about manliness, it takes a thousand times more courage and balls to stand up, even in today's world, and be proudly gay than it does to be a whiny stock boy who asks the internet if he should show a minute amount of spine at his minimum wage job. Or how to get a girlfriend. Have you ever laid down at night, alone again, and wondered if your problem with girls is because deep down you don't really want a woman?

 

[AAABatteries]

Eminence is right - my oldest spent a lot of time watching Disney growing up and now he's a cartoon mouse. #### Walt Disney.

 

[Eminence]

I'm not saying that a % of the homosexual population aren't born that way and had absolutely '0 chance' of being heterosexual. However, I don't believe it is as common or as normal of a behavior as the media and society plays it off to be. And because it is being viewed as "normal", I think more young people are now looking at it as a potential lifestyle choice whereas in the past they wouldn't have.

Again, agree to disagree but I am a 22 year old male living this a world where the white male is being demonized and men are becoming more and more feminine...

You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not that people see it as a more acceptable choice they can make. They see it as they don't "have to be scared of being dragged behind a truck until they're dead just for being who they are so they never come to terms with themselves and live life as a miserable fraud and make their beard family miserable as well" anymore. Unfortunately, closeted, self hating guys like you will always be around to still make people second guess themselves and live in fear. And while we're talking about manliness, it takes a thousand times more courage and balls to stand up, even in today's world, and be proudly gay than it does to be a whiny stock boy who asks the internet if he should show a minute amount of spine at his minimum wage job. Or how to get a girlfriend. Have you ever laid down at night, alone again, and wondered if your problem with girls is because deep down you don't really want a woman?

You realize you're flat out insulting me and calling me gay, right?

That's what pisses me off the most about America nowadays. I can't have an opinion about this subject without being accused of being a closet homosexual if I don't agree that being gay isn't natural.

It's like this bud, a ###### is a million times more appealing than some dudes #######; any dude's #######.

That's common sense. That's the way that nature made it, it's the ultimate reward for being a man. It's a body part that through evolution or creative design was made to fit your ####.

All of our ancestors understood this concept pretty clearly or none of us would be here today to talk about this. My family line could have died about millions of years ago but it didn't and here I am.

What is it 6% of the population that is actually homosexual? Seems to me that there is something WRONG with that portion of the population.

Something is wrong with their head that they are literally programmed to go against nature itself.

Now, I don't even believe that. Like I said before, I only knew one gay kid growing up in middle school and he didn't have a father. He only had a mother and sister.

That to me is too much of a coincidence and doesn't add up with "being born that way". It shows to me that there is a certain degree of conditioning involved.

I'm not going to support a behavior that isn't 100% natural to a person. If you grew up without a father figure or were raped, then I could see how your mind is forever altered and conditioned to be attracted to the opposite sex.

However, I also fear that the normalization of this lifestyle and its portrayal in the media is also a form of conditioning that is set to target young men.

No Mad Sweeney, I'm not a closet homosexual. I've dated and fooled around with many women, my #### has been in a ###### and every day I think about ways to get it back into one.

There is something inherently wrong and peverted with today's society.

When you consider that 6% of the population is homosexual and that there are twice as many gay men than women, you have to start asking questions.

I don't believe there is anything natural about homosexuality and I am dumbfounded by the fact that because I support what 94% of the population practices and what ALL of our ancestors practiced; that that apparently makes me a homosexual.

And it's ignorant thinking and accusations like that which is only going to cause this epidemic to grow.

I bet you think Adrian Peterson and Phil Robertson are gay as well? They've both spoken publicly against homosexuality.

It's maddening to me to see how welcomed an act that is clearly against nature is being accepted and glorified.

It's maddening that in the Land of the Free, minorities have more power, sway, and protection than the majority.

It's maddening that I can't have a countering opinion on this subject without being villainized as a bigot or closet homosexual.

Maybe I feel there is something special and sacred about the family unit. Maybe I believe God created man and woman for a certain cause.

But those 'maybes' don't matter in 2014. The only thing that matters nowadays is this Liberal Agenda that is being shoved down our throats.

I should be able to say whatever I like and have whatever opinion I want, but I can't because freedom is dead.

Welcome to the New America, where you can think as freely as you'd like as long as you agree with the agenda of the Powers that Be.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I'm not saying that a % of the homosexual population aren't born that way and had absolutely '0 chance' of being heterosexual. However, I don't believe it is as common or as normal of a behavior as the media and society plays it off to be. And because it is being viewed as "normal", I think more young people are now looking at it as a potential lifestyle choice whereas in the past they wouldn't have.

Again, agree to disagree but I am a 22 year old male living this a world where the white male is being demonized and men are becoming more and more feminine...

You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not that people see it as a more acceptable choice they can make. They see it as they don't "have to be scared of being dragged behind a truck until they're dead just for being who they are so they never come to terms with themselves and live life as a miserable fraud and make their beard family miserable as well" anymore.Unfortunately, closeted, self hating guys like you will always be around to still make people second guess themselves and live in fear. And while we're talking about manliness, it takes a thousand times more courage and balls to stand up, even in today's world, and be proudly gay than it does to be a whiny stock boy who asks the internet if he should show a minute amount of spine at his minimum wage job. Or how to get a girlfriend. Have you ever laid down at night, alone again, and wondered if your problem with girls is because deep down you don't really want a woman?

I read that first paragraph and thought wow, Mad Sweeney making an excellent point. Then unfortunately you took it down the path of saying he must be gay.

Watching Will and Grace isn't going to make somebody suddenly fall in love with men. Seeing gay men on TV and being accepted in popular culture can obviously help somebody that is gay be more comfortable with themselves and less likely to hide it.

 

[matuski]

I'm not saying that a % of the homosexual population aren't born that way and had absolutely '0 chance' of being heterosexual. However, I don't believe it is as common or as normal of a behavior as the media and society plays it off to be. And because it is being viewed as "normal", I think more young people are now looking at it as a potential lifestyle choice whereas in the past they wouldn't have.

Again, agree to disagree but I am a 22 year old male living this a world where the white male is being demonized and men are becoming more and more feminine...

You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not that people see it as a more acceptable choice they can make. They see it as they don't "have to be scared of being dragged behind a truck until they're dead just for being who they are so they never come to terms with themselves and live life as a miserable fraud and make their beard family miserable as well" anymore.Unfortunately, closeted, self hating guys like you will always be around to still make people second guess themselves and live in fear. And while we're talking about manliness, it takes a thousand times more courage and balls to stand up, even in today's world, and be proudly gay than it does to be a whiny stock boy who asks the internet if he should show a minute amount of spine at his minimum wage job. Or how to get a girlfriend. Have you ever laid down at night, alone again, and wondered if your problem with girls is because deep down you don't really want a woman?

You realize you're flat out insulting me and calling me gay, right?

That's what pisses me off the most about America nowadays. I can't have an opinion about this subject without being accused of being a closet homosexual if I don't agree that being gay isn't natural.

It's like this bud, a ###### is a million times more appealing than some dudes #######; any dude's #######.

That's common sense. That's the way that nature made it, it's the ultimate reward for being a man. It's a body part that through evolution or creative design was made to fit your ####.

All of our ancestors understood this concept pretty clearly or none of us would be here today to talk about this. My family line could have died about millions of years ago but it didn't and here I am.

What is it 6% of the population that is actually homosexual? Seems to me that there is something WRONG with that portion of the population.

Something is wrong with their head that they are literally programmed to go against nature itself.

Now, I don't even believe that. Like I said before, I only knew one gay kid growing up in middle school and he didn't have a father. He only had a mother and sister.

That to me is too much of a coincidence and doesn't add up with "being born that way". It shows to me that there is a certain degree of conditioning involved.

I'm not going to support a behavior that isn't 100% natural to a person. If you grew up without a father figure or were raped, then I could see how your mind is forever altered and conditioned to be attracted to the opposite sex.

However, I also fear that the normalization of this lifestyle and its portrayal in the media is also a form of conditioning that is set to target young men.

No Mad Sweeney, I'm not a closet homosexual. I've dated and fooled around with many women, my #### has been in a ###### and every day I think about ways to get it back into one.

There is something inherently wrong and peverted with today's society.

When you consider that 6% of the population is homosexual and that there are twice as many gay men than women, you have to start asking questions.

I don't believe there is anything natural about homosexuality and I am dumbfounded by the fact that because I support what 94% of the population practices and what ALL of our ancestors practiced; that that apparently makes me a homosexual.

And it's ignorant thinking and accusations like that which is only going to cause this epidemic to grow.

I bet you think Adrian Peterson and Phil Robertson are gay as well? They've both spoken publicly against homosexuality.

It's maddening to me to see how welcomed an act that is clearly against nature is being accepted and glorified.

It's maddening that in the Land of the Free, minorities have more power, sway, and protection than the majority.

It's maddening that I can't have a countering opinion on this subject without being villainized as a bigot or closet homosexual.

Maybe I feel there is something special and sacred about the family unit. Maybe I believe God created man and woman for a certain cause.

But those 'maybes' don't matter in 2014. The only thing that matters nowadays is this Liberal Agenda that is being shoved down our throats.

I should be able to say whatever I like and have whatever opinion I want, but I can't because freedom is dead.

Welcome to the New America, where you can think as freely as you'd like as long as you agree with the agenda of the Powers that Be.

You don't need to make any more long-winded posts to convince us all how clueless and bigoted and hateful you are. We get it. We see you you clearly.

 

[Eminence]

Eminence is right - my oldest spent a lot of time watching Disney growing up and now he's a cartoon mouse. #### Walt Disney.

You realize there is plenty of science that supports the idea that people are very impressionable to the things they see and hear on TV / Radio?

I 100% get that you're joking but I feel you're dismissing my point completely.

 

[Eminence]

I'm not saying that a % of the homosexual population aren't born that way and had absolutely '0 chance' of being heterosexual. However, I don't believe it is as common or as normal of a behavior as the media and society plays it off to be. And because it is being viewed as "normal", I think more young people are now looking at it as a potential lifestyle choice whereas in the past they wouldn't have.

Again, agree to disagree but I am a 22 year old male living this a world where the white male is being demonized and men are becoming more and more feminine...

You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not that people see it as a more acceptable choice they can make. They see it as they don't "have to be scared of being dragged behind a truck until they're dead just for being who they are so they never come to terms with themselves and live life as a miserable fraud and make their beard family miserable as well" anymore.Unfortunately, closeted, self hating guys like you will always be around to still make people second guess themselves and live in fear. And while we're talking about manliness, it takes a thousand times more courage and balls to stand up, even in today's world, and be proudly gay than it does to be a whiny stock boy who asks the internet if he should show a minute amount of spine at his minimum wage job. Or how to get a girlfriend. Have you ever laid down at night, alone again, and wondered if your problem with girls is because deep down you don't really want a woman?

You realize you're flat out insulting me and calling me gay, right?That's what pisses me off the most about America nowadays. I can't have an opinion about this subject without being accused of being a closet homosexual if I don't agree that being gay isn't natural.

It's like this bud, a ###### is a million times more appealing than some dudes #######; any dude's #######.

That's common sense. That's the way that nature made it, it's the ultimate reward for being a man. It's a body part that through evolution or creative design was made to fit your ####.

All of our ancestors understood this concept pretty clearly or none of us would be here today to talk about this. My family line could have died about millions of years ago but it didn't and here I am.

What is it 6% of the population that is actually homosexual? Seems to me that there is something WRONG with that portion of the population.

Something is wrong with their head that they are literally programmed to go against nature itself.

Now, I don't even believe that. Like I said before, I only knew one gay kid growing up in middle school and he didn't have a father. He only had a mother and sister.

That to me is too much of a coincidence and doesn't add up with "being born that way". It shows to me that there is a certain degree of conditioning involved.

I'm not going to support a behavior that isn't 100% natural to a person. If you grew up without a father figure or were raped, then I could see how your mind is forever altered and conditioned to be attracted to the opposite sex.

However, I also fear that the normalization of this lifestyle and its portrayal in the media is also a form of conditioning that is set to target young men.

No Mad Sweeney, I'm not a closet homosexual. I've dated and fooled around with many women, my #### has been in a ###### and every day I think about ways to get it back into one.

There is something inherently wrong and peverted with today's society.

When you consider that 6% of the population is homosexual and that there are twice as many gay men than women, you have to start asking questions.

I don't believe there is anything natural about homosexuality and I am dumbfounded by the fact that because I support what 94% of the population practices and what ALL of our ancestors practiced; that that apparently makes me a homosexual.

And it's ignorant thinking and accusations like that which is only going to cause this epidemic to grow.

I bet you think Adrian Peterson and Phil Robertson are gay as well? They've both spoken publicly against homosexuality.

It's maddening to me to see how welcomed an act that is clearly against nature is being accepted and glorified.

It's maddening that in the Land of the Free, minorities have more power, sway, and protection than the majority.

It's maddening that I can't have a countering opinion on this subject without being villainized as a bigot or closet homosexual.

Maybe I feel there is something special and sacred about the family unit. Maybe I believe God created man and woman for a certain cause.

But those 'maybes' don't matter in 2014. The only thing that matters nowadays is this Liberal Agenda that is being shoved down our throats.

I should be able to say whatever I like and have whatever opinion I want, but I can't because freedom is dead.

Welcome to the New America, where you can think as freely as you'd like as long as you agree with the agenda of the Powers that Be.

You don't need to make any more long-winded posts to convince us all how clueless and bigoted and hateful you are. We get it. We see you you clearly.

Matthew 5"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see god.

Blessed for the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Edit: I am not hateful, I merely support mother nature's grand design. Shame on me.

 

[Henry Ford]

Eminence: hint - being called gay isn't an insult to most of us. That's the point.

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm not saying that a % of the homosexual population aren't born that way and had absolutely '0 chance' of being heterosexual. However, I don't believe it is as common or as normal of a behavior as the media and society plays it off to be. And because it is being viewed as "normal", I think more young people are now looking at it as a potential lifestyle choice whereas in the past they wouldn't have.

Again, agree to disagree but I am a 22 year old male living this a world where the white male is being demonized and men are becoming more and more feminine...

You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not that people see it as a more acceptable choice they can make. They see it as they don't "have to be scared of being dragged behind a truck until they're dead just for being who they are so they never come to terms with themselves and live life as a miserable fraud and make their beard family miserable as well" anymore.Unfortunately, closeted, self hating guys like you will always be around to still make people second guess themselves and live in fear. And while we're talking about manliness, it takes a thousand times more courage and balls to stand up, even in today's world, and be proudly gay than it does to be a whiny stock boy who asks the internet if he should show a minute amount of spine at his minimum wage job. Or how to get a girlfriend. Have you ever laid down at night, alone again, and wondered if your problem with girls is because deep down you don't really want a woman?

You realize you're flat out insulting me and calling me gay, right?That's what pisses me off the most about America nowadays. I can't have an opinion about this subject without being accused of being a closet homosexual if I don't agree that being gay isn't natural.

It's like this bud, a ###### is a million times more appealing than some dudes #######; any dude's #######.

That's common sense. That's the way that nature made it, it's the ultimate reward for being a man. It's a body part that through evolution or creative design was made to fit your ####.

All of our ancestors understood this concept pretty clearly or none of us would be here today to talk about this. My family line could have died about millions of years ago but it didn't and here I am.

What is it 6% of the population that is actually homosexual? Seems to me that there is something WRONG with that portion of the population.

Something is wrong with their head that they are literally programmed to go against nature itself.

Now, I don't even believe that. Like I said before, I only knew one gay kid growing up in middle school and he didn't have a father. He only had a mother and sister.

That to me is too much of a coincidence and doesn't add up with "being born that way". It shows to me that there is a certain degree of conditioning involved.

I'm not going to support a behavior that isn't 100% natural to a person. If you grew up without a father figure or were raped, then I could see how your mind is forever altered and conditioned to be attracted to the opposite sex.

However, I also fear that the normalization of this lifestyle and its portrayal in the media is also a form of conditioning that is set to target young men.

No Mad Sweeney, I'm not a closet homosexual. I've dated and fooled around with many women, my #### has been in a ###### and every day I think about ways to get it back into one.

There is something inherently wrong and peverted with today's society.

When you consider that 6% of the population is homosexual and that there are twice as many gay men than women, you have to start asking questions.

I don't believe there is anything natural about homosexuality and I am dumbfounded by the fact that because I support what 94% of the population practices and what ALL of our ancestors practiced; that that apparently makes me a homosexual.

And it's ignorant thinking and accusations like that which is only going to cause this epidemic to grow.

I bet you think Adrian Peterson and Phil Robertson are gay as well? They've both spoken publicly against homosexuality.

It's maddening to me to see how welcomed an act that is clearly against nature is being accepted and glorified.

It's maddening that in the Land of the Free, minorities have more power, sway, and protection than the majority.

It's maddening that I can't have a countering opinion on this subject without being villainized as a bigot or closet homosexual.

Maybe I feel there is something special and sacred about the family unit. Maybe I believe God created man and woman for a certain cause.

But those 'maybes' don't matter in 2014. The only thing that matters nowadays is this Liberal Agenda that is being shoved down our throats.

I should be able to say whatever I like and have whatever opinion I want, but I can't because freedom is dead.

Welcome to the New America, where you can think as freely as you'd like as long as you agree with the agenda of the Powers that Be.

You don't need to make any more long-winded posts to convince us all how clueless and bigoted and hateful you are. We get it. We see you you clearly.

Matthew 5"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see god.

Blessed for the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Edit: I am not hateful, I merely support mother nature's grand design. Shame on me.

I like that you used the New Revised Standard version. "blessed are the righteous, for they shall be filled" probably doesn't fit with your point.

 

[McGarnicle]

Holy crap, I didn't know Eminence was gay. Good for you man. I support your right to marry another dude. Any cute guys at Walgreens?

 

[B-Deep]

brought up to hate gays

now i wave the gay flag as much as a straight man can

and i might just be gay for Brad Pitt

I have my list of 5 guys i can have gay sex with without my wife leaving me

Brad Pitt

Justin Timberlake

Peyton Manning

Tony Romo

Nigel Tufnel

 

[matuski]

I'm not saying that a % of the homosexual population aren't born that way and had absolutely '0 chance' of being heterosexual. However, I don't believe it is as common or as normal of a behavior as the media and society plays it off to be. And because it is being viewed as "normal", I think more young people are now looking at it as a potential lifestyle choice whereas in the past they wouldn't have.

Again, agree to disagree but I am a 22 year old male living this a world where the white male is being demonized and men are becoming more and more feminine...

You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not that people see it as a more acceptable choice they can make. They see it as they don't "have to be scared of being dragged behind a truck until they're dead just for being who they are so they never come to terms with themselves and live life as a miserable fraud and make their beard family miserable as well" anymore.Unfortunately, closeted, self hating guys like you will always be around to still make people second guess themselves and live in fear. And while we're talking about manliness, it takes a thousand times more courage and balls to stand up, even in today's world, and be proudly gay than it does to be a whiny stock boy who asks the internet if he should show a minute amount of spine at his minimum wage job. Or how to get a girlfriend. Have you ever laid down at night, alone again, and wondered if your problem with girls is because deep down you don't really want a woman?

You realize you're flat out insulting me and calling me gay, right?That's what pisses me off the most about America nowadays. I can't have an opinion about this subject without being accused of being a closet homosexual if I don't agree that being gay isn't natural.

It's like this bud, a ###### is a million times more appealing than some dudes #######; any dude's #######.

That's common sense. That's the way that nature made it, it's the ultimate reward for being a man. It's a body part that through evolution or creative design was made to fit your ####.

All of our ancestors understood this concept pretty clearly or none of us would be here today to talk about this. My family line could have died about millions of years ago but it didn't and here I am.

What is it 6% of the population that is actually homosexual? Seems to me that there is something WRONG with that portion of the population.

Something is wrong with their head that they are literally programmed to go against nature itself.

Now, I don't even believe that. Like I said before, I only knew one gay kid growing up in middle school and he didn't have a father. He only had a mother and sister.

That to me is too much of a coincidence and doesn't add up with "being born that way". It shows to me that there is a certain degree of conditioning involved.

I'm not going to support a behavior that isn't 100% natural to a person. If you grew up without a father figure or were raped, then I could see how your mind is forever altered and conditioned to be attracted to the opposite sex.

However, I also fear that the normalization of this lifestyle and its portrayal in the media is also a form of conditioning that is set to target young men.

No Mad Sweeney, I'm not a closet homosexual. I've dated and fooled around with many women, my #### has been in a ###### and every day I think about ways to get it back into one.

There is something inherently wrong and peverted with today's society.

When you consider that 6% of the population is homosexual and that there are twice as many gay men than women, you have to start asking questions.

I don't believe there is anything natural about homosexuality and I am dumbfounded by the fact that because I support what 94% of the population practices and what ALL of our ancestors practiced; that that apparently makes me a homosexual.

And it's ignorant thinking and accusations like that which is only going to cause this epidemic to grow.

I bet you think Adrian Peterson and Phil Robertson are gay as well? They've both spoken publicly against homosexuality.

It's maddening to me to see how welcomed an act that is clearly against nature is being accepted and glorified.

It's maddening that in the Land of the Free, minorities have more power, sway, and protection than the majority.

It's maddening that I can't have a countering opinion on this subject without being villainized as a bigot or closet homosexual.

Maybe I feel there is something special and sacred about the family unit. Maybe I believe God created man and woman for a certain cause.

But those 'maybes' don't matter in 2014. The only thing that matters nowadays is this Liberal Agenda that is being shoved down our throats.

I should be able to say whatever I like and have whatever opinion I want, but I can't because freedom is dead.

Welcome to the New America, where you can think as freely as you'd like as long as you agree with the agenda of the Powers that Be.

You don't need to make any more long-winded posts to convince us all how clueless and bigoted and hateful you are. We get it. We see you you clearly.

Matthew 5"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see god.

Blessed for the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Edit: I am not hateful, I merely support mother nature's grand design. Shame on me.

Shame on you indeed.

Also.. bringing imaginary friends in to back up your opinion (because you can't on your own) is awesome.

 

[jon_mx]

Science has shown that 90 percent of sexual orientation is half mental.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Eminence is right - my oldest spent a lot of time watching Disney growing up and now he's a cartoon mouse. #### Walt Disney.

You realize there is plenty of science that supports the idea that people are very impressionable to the things they see and hear on TV / Radio?

I 100% get that you're joking but I feel you're dismissing my point completely.

Probably because your point is f###ing rheetarded.

There were lots and lots of gay people well before TV and "the media" came along.

 

[Henry Ford]

Eminence is right - my oldest spent a lot of time watching Disney growing up and now he's a cartoon mouse. #### Walt Disney.

You realize there is plenty of science that supports the idea that people are very impressionable to the things they see and hear on TV / Radio?

I 100% get that you're joking but I feel you're dismissing my point completely.

Probably because your point is f###ing rheetarded.

There were lots and lots of gay people well before TV and "the media" came along.

Stop infringing on his right of free speech by speaking.

 

[matuski]

Eminence is right - my oldest spent a lot of time watching Disney growing up and now he's a cartoon mouse. #### Walt Disney.

You realize there is plenty of science that supports the idea that people are very impressionable to the things they see and hear on TV / Radio?

I 100% get that you're joking but I feel you're dismissing my point completely.

Probably because your point is f###ing rheetarded.

There were lots and lots of gay people well before TV and "the media" came along.

The Bible's focus on sodomy is where Eminence was first "impressed" by gays.

 

[timschochet]

It's OK for you to be gay, Eminence. None of us will dislike you more.

 

[Henry Ford]

Eminence is right - my oldest spent a lot of time watching Disney growing up and now he's a cartoon mouse. #### Walt Disney.

You realize there is plenty of science that supports the idea that people are very impressionable to the things they see and hear on TV / Radio?

I 100% get that you're joking but I feel you're dismissing my point completely.

Probably because your point is f###ing rheetarded.

There were lots and lots of gay people well before TV and "the media" came along.

The Bible's focus on sodomy is where Eminence was first "impressed" by gays.

A man less focused on the unerring word of God might smoke a blunt, watch Rock of Ages, and get the urge to play with his male roommate.

 

[squistion]

Eminence is right - my oldest spent a lot of time watching Disney growing up and now he's a cartoon mouse. #### Walt Disney.

You realize there is plenty of science that supports the idea that people are very impressionable to the things they see and hear on TV / Radio?

And none of that science shows that TV/Radio viewing influences sexual orientation.

 

[koby925]

brought up to hate gays

now i wave the gay flag as much as a straight man can

and i might just be gay for Brad Pitt

I have my list of 5 guys i can have gay sex with without my wife leaving me

Brad Pitt

Justin Timberlake

Peyton Manning

Tony Romo

Nigel Tufnel

This post is ridiculous. Manning is so not hot.

 

[Hang 10]

It's OK for you to be gay, Eminence. None of us will dislike you more.

The ol' closet gay joke comeback never gets old.

 

[koby925]

Like others in the 30s and 40s demographic, I'd like to say I was always supportive, but that wasn't the case until I grew up and got some life experience outside of white suburbs. Games like "Smear the Queer" calling people f**s, etc. even though we didn't fully appreciate what we were talking about were commonplace. So choice 5 made the most sense. Since I've been 20+ I would be in the choice 6 camp.

 

[B-Deep]

brought up to hate gays

now i wave the gay flag as much as a straight man can

and i might just be gay for Brad Pitt

I have my list of 5 guys i can have gay sex with without my wife leaving me

Brad Pitt

Justin Timberlake

Peyton Manning

Tony Romo

Nigel Tufnel

This post is ridiculous. Manning is so not hot.

his large boxy head is an acquired taste

 

[fatness]

I was raised at a time when gays were ridiculed, and I once went along with that attitude, but now I am more tolerant and support gay rights.

That's the closest choice for me. Raised to ridicule gays (by friends) and to see blacks as inferior (by family). Fortunately I grew up and began thinking for myself in my later teen years, moved away from home, and developed my own views of people.

I do remember a large family gathering years ago. My one nephew attended with his gay partner, and that was a first for the family. I ended up seated near them and talking to them for maybe 20 minutes and I felt uncomfortable. But all we talked about was work and school and stuff, normal #### you talk to anyone about. So I sat through my discomfort and it went away.

Later I was at another table with another nephew who was taking exception to a gay member being allowed at family gatherings, talking about "them" ####### animals and children and deserving to go to hell. I left that conversation quickly and remember the hate level to this day.

 

[fatness]

You realize you're flat out insulting me and calling me gay, right?

You're stupid whether you eat ##### or tube..