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Your opinion on the job that President Obama is doing so far (1 Viewer)

Your opinion on the job that President Obama is doing so far

  • strongly approve

    Votes: 43 17.8%
  • mildly approve

    Votes: 43 17.8%
  • mildly disapprove

    Votes: 31 12.8%
  • strongly disapprove

    Votes: 121 50.0%
  • neutral/no opinion

    Votes: 4 1.7%

  • Total voters
    242
It's been all about the unemployment numbers for a while now. Not that it's the sole indicator but it seems to be the most important one. If it continues to rise over the summer, Obama is done.

 
Still think he's doing pretty well.
Yeah he is doing just peachy...
Grim Job Report Sinks Markets:Feeble hiring by U.S. employers in May roiled markets and dimmed the already-cloudy outlook for an economy that appears to be following Europe and Asia into a slowdown. Employers added a seasonally adjusted 69,000 jobs last month, the smallest increase in a year, and estimates for the two previous months were lowered. The politically salient unemployment rate inched up to 8.2% from 8.1% in April, and the report immediately became a flash point in a presidential race focused on the candidates' job-creating credentials. President Barack Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney sparred over the numbers in back-to-back appearances where each made his case to voters.Stock markets tumbled on the report. The Dow Jones Industrial Average notched its worst showing of the year Friday, falling 274.88 points, or 2.2%, to 12118.57. Investors snapped up U.S. Treasury bonds instead, pushing down yields to the lowest level on record yet again. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note finished at 1.467%. Bond prices and yields move in opposite directions.Jobs were only one of the worrisome economic indicators released Friday. A separate report showed U.S. manufacturing growth cooled in May, with sharp drops in both production and exports.Another report showed consumer spending rose in April—but outpaced incomes—suggesting many consumers are strapped for cash.
There is not much hope but maybe there will be change in November...Another 4 years of his policies and your kids and grand kids are absolutely doomed...
 
A lot of people are talking about the economy and unemployment, but not nearly enough are focusing on the fact that no one's face got eaten yesterday.

 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.

 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.

 
Worst president ever... This moron makes Bush look good...

President Obama has shelled out more in federal spending than the five presidents that came before him.A new chart by the Comeback America Initiative (CAI), a non-partisan group dedicated to promoting fiscal responsibility by policymakers, shows federal spending by president as a percentage of GDP, and it doesn't reflect well on Obama."There has been a dramatic increase in spending under the Obama administration," David Walker, Founder and CEO of CAI, told Whispers. "Most of it is attributable to year one of his presidency and the stimulus... but President Obama has continued to take spending to a new level."Federal spending was close to 20 percent under the Carter administration, dropped to 18 percent under Clinton, and is currently at an incredible 24 percent of GDP. According to the Congressional Budget Office, federal spending may hover around 22 percent for the next decade.Federal spending is also higher this year than any year since 1949. The last time spending was higher—in 1946, it was 24.8—the country was just coming down from the exorbitant rates of spending during World War II.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
Gangbusters? The common man cares more about the price of goods and services than the stock market. A govt infused market rally isn't something to brag about.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
Gangbusters? The common man cares more about the price of goods and services than the stock market. A govt infused market rally isn't something to brag about.
Up > 50% in 3 years isn't gangbusters?
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
Ummm, have you been reading the news lately?http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2012/06/01/the-june-market-disaster/

If the month of May injected concern back into financial markets, June has brought panic.

With Europe in turmoil and China’s economy clearly slowing, the world has been counting on the U.S. economy to pull it through the summer. But Friday’s U.S. jobs report disappointed, revealing that U.S. payrolls climbed by only 69,000 last month, much less than expected. To make matters worse, April’s employment gain was revised down. U.S. unemployment has now risen to 8.2%.

The DAX, Germany’s stock market index, fell by more than 3.3% on Friday and the U.S. stock market plunged at its open. But the really incredible number in the first morning of June: The benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury yield reached a record low, falling below 1.5%. Investors are stampeding into U.S. bonds looking for a safe haven like never before.

What changed in May? For one thing, in Europe elections in France and Greece upset an already delicate balance, making it much more likely that Greece will exit the euro. Doubts have hit Spain’s largest banks and the European Central Bank indicated it will not step in to help them. Now, the U.S. recovery is in doubt. So is Barack Obama’s second term.

June looks like a game changer.

 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
So is your father also voting out the Republicans in congress that has prevented movement of any policy that 'could" help. I know that President Obama policies are probably not the answer, but we need to so something than standing on the sideline and doing nothing,
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
So is your father also voting out the Republicans in congress that has prevented movement of any policy that 'could" help. I know that President Obama policies are probably not the answer, but we need to so something than standing on the sideline and doing nothing,
I suspect my dad's response to you would be that, since there's going to be a Republican congress anyhow, we might as well put a Republican president in there and see if they can accomplish anything worthwhile together. Otherwise, it's 4 more years of gridlock.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
So is your father also voting out the Republicans in congress that has prevented movement of any policy that 'could" help. I know that President Obama policies are probably not the answer, but we need to so something than standing on the sideline and doing nothing,
I suspect my dad's response to you would be that, since there's going to be a Republican congress anyhow, we might as well put a Republican president in there and see if they can accomplish anything worthwhile together. Otherwise, it's 4 more years of gridlock.
And I dont disagree with what your father says. In fact that is why I am open to voting for Romney as well. To see if we can get this government to work.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
So is your father also voting out the Republicans in congress that has prevented movement of any policy that 'could" help. I know that President Obama policies are probably not the answer, but we need to so something than standing on the sideline and doing nothing,
I suspect my dad's response to you would be that, since there's going to be a Republican congress anyhow, we might as well put a Republican president in there and see if they can accomplish anything worthwhile together. Otherwise, it's 4 more years of gridlock.
And I dont disagree with what your father says. In fact that is why I am open to voting for Romney as well. To see if we can get this government to work.
This is a weird election year. Some days I think Romney is going to get McGoverned and some days I think he can win.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
So is your father also voting out the Republicans in congress that has prevented movement of any policy that 'could" help. I know that President Obama policies are probably not the answer, but we need to so something than standing on the sideline and doing nothing,
I suspect my dad's response to you would be that, since there's going to be a Republican congress anyhow, we might as well put a Republican president in there and see if they can accomplish anything worthwhile together. Otherwise, it's 4 more years of gridlock.
So your Dad loved all GOP government and policies of the 2000's that brought us to Sept 2008?He sounds brilliant.

 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
So is your father also voting out the Republicans in congress that has prevented movement of any policy that 'could" help. I know that President Obama policies are probably not the answer, but we need to so something than standing on the sideline and doing nothing,
I suspect my dad's response to you would be that, since there's going to be a Republican congress anyhow, we might as well put a Republican president in there and see if they can accomplish anything worthwhile together. Otherwise, it's 4 more years of gridlock.
So your Dad loved all GOP government and policies of the 2000's that brought us to Sept 2008?He sounds brilliant.
It's not Obama vs. George W. Bush. That was the last election, essentially. 4 years have passed. This election is Obama vs. alternative to Obama.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
Ummm, have you been reading the news lately?http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2012/06/01/the-june-market-disaster/

If the month of May injected concern back into financial markets, June has brought panic.

With Europe in turmoil and China’s economy clearly slowing, the world has been counting on the U.S. economy to pull it through the summer. But Friday’s U.S. jobs report disappointed, revealing that U.S. payrolls climbed by only 69,000 last month, much less than expected. To make matters worse, April’s employment gain was revised down. U.S. unemployment has now risen to 8.2%.

The DAX, Germany’s stock market index, fell by more than 3.3% on Friday and the U.S. stock market plunged at its open. But the really incredible number in the first morning of June: The benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury yield reached a record low, falling below 1.5%. Investors are stampeding into U.S. bonds looking for a safe haven like never before.

What changed in May? For one thing, in Europe elections in France and Greece upset an already delicate balance, making it much more likely that Greece will exit the euro. Doubts have hit Spain’s largest banks and the European Central Bank indicated it will not step in to help them. Now, the U.S. recovery is in doubt. So is Barack Obama’s second term.

June looks like a game changer.
This is your 'buy signal' alert going off, boys and girls.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
:confused: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/NPPTTL?cid=32250

 
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My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
:confused: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/NPPTTL?cid=32250
I misspoke - Obama has now recovered all of the private sector jobs that were lost since he took office. My link
 
Obama sucks, as does Romney.

America is in decay and has no great leaders anymore. Why doesn't everyone just admit we are ####ed. Greatest nation on earth my ####### ###. :banned:

 
Obama sucks, as does Romney. America is in decay and has no great leaders anymore. Why doesn't everyone just admit we are ####ed. Greatest nation on earth my ####### ###. :banned:
Corporations and special interests >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great leaders.It doesn't matter who's running this country any longer.
 
Obama sucks, as does Romney. America is in decay and has no great leaders anymore. Why doesn't everyone just admit we are ####ed. Greatest nation on earth my ####### ###. :banned:
Corporations and special interests >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great leaders.It doesn't matter who's running this country any longer.
Much truth here. Until the ability to buy politicians is eliminated, it really doesn't matter all that much. I prefer that if we're going to be ruled by a bought party, it's not the Republicans.Government of the people by the people for the people has been replaced by government by the highest bidders.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
:confused: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/NPPTTL?cid=32250
I misspoke - Obama has now recovered all of the private sector jobs that were lost since he took office. My link
Think Progress website... LMFAO
 
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My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
:confused: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/NPPTTL?cid=32250
I misspoke - Obama has now recovered all of the private sector jobs that were lost since he took office. My link
Think Progress website... LMFAO
It's true.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
Typically the deeper the recession the more robust the recovery.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change. My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Will you be denouncing your dad for his populist attitude.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
:confused: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/NPPTTL?cid=32250
I misspoke - Obama has now recovered all of the private sector jobs that were lost since he took office. My link
Think Progress website... LMFAO
Do you have data that contradicts the data presented in the chart?
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
Typically the deeper the recession the more robust the recovery.
Perhaps that's why Obama's job recovery has been far more robust than GWBush's.
 
'greenroom said:
'timschochet said:
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
So is your father also voting out the Republicans in congress that has prevented movement of any policy that 'could" help. I know that President Obama policies are probably not the answer, but we need to so something than standing on the sideline and doing nothing,
This seems unlikely, since he can only vote for/against a single Congressperson. Also, since his father is a liberal and could live in California (I'm presuming because timshochet lives there), his current representative could well be a Democrat.
 
Air Force One just left LA a few hours ago. Obama just completed his fourth trip to California in 2012. He had five fundraisers scheduled over two days. He collected somewhere between 2 and 10 million dollars in donations.

You know what? I'm fine with that. I'm OK with a politician having to do fundraising, because that's our system. I'm fine with people (who are legally allowed to do so) freely donating to politicians that they feel represent them best, I've done it myself (you're welcome, Gary Johnson). I'm OK with Hollywood and San Francisco being called "Obama's ATM". Because they are.

I just don't want to hear from anyone, though, that "my vote in California doesn't count in the Electoral College". It does. California counts huge. So much that Obama, and the national Democratic party, will do anything to cater to California's preferences before a single vote is even cast on Election Day. There is no Electoral math toward an Obama victory without this state's 55 votes, and they know it. Obama comes here to California, and says he'll do whatever we say we want if we give him cash. "Evolve" on gay marriage? Done. Prop up the housing market? Done. Whatever we want, as long as our checks keep clearing, California's electoral votes are his.

I'm fine with that. I'm fine with it being the way our system works. I like how it works, actually, even if I'm on the #### end of the stick most of the time. It's still OK with me. I just don't want people to whine that "they have no say" while a much smaller state like Nevada "gets to be the lucky one picked to be a swing state".

California has plenty of say in national & presidential politics. We dictate the platform. We basically get a whole party for ourselves. We shouldn't claim we're not listened to when we're the ones funding this campaign more than anyone.

 
Air Force One just left LA a few hours ago. Obama just completed his fourth trip to California in 2012. He had five fundraisers scheduled over two days. He collected somewhere between 2 and 10 million dollars in donations.

You know what? I'm fine with that. I'm OK with a politician having to do fundraising, because that's our system. I'm fine with people (who are legally allowed to do so) freely donating to politicians that they feel represent them best, I've done it myself (you're welcome, Gary Johnson). I'm OK with Hollywood and San Francisco being called "Obama's ATM". Because they are.

I just don't want to hear from anyone, though, that "my vote in California doesn't count in the Electoral College". It does. California counts huge. So much that Obama, and the national Democratic party, will do anything to cater to California's preferences before a single vote is even cast on Election Day. There is no Electoral math toward an Obama victory without this state's 55 votes, and they know it. Obama comes here to California, and says he'll do whatever we say we want if we give him cash. "Evolve" on gay marriage? Done. Prop up the housing market? Done. Whatever we want, as long as our checks keep clearing, California's electoral votes are his.

I'm fine with that. I'm fine with it being the way our system works. I like how it works, actually, even if I'm on the #### end of the stick most of the time. It's still OK with me. I just don't want people to whine that "they have no say" while a much smaller state like Nevada "gets to be the lucky one picked to be a swing state".

California has plenty of say in national & presidential politics. We dictate the platform. We basically get a whole party for ourselves. We shouldn't claim we're not listened to when we're the ones funding this campaign more than anyone.
California's EV count is dropping as well, and will probably continue to drop for the forseeable future.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
So is your father also voting out the Republicans in congress that has prevented movement of any policy that 'could" help. I know that President Obama policies are probably not the answer, but we need to so something than standing on the sideline and doing nothing,
I suspect my dad's response to you would be that, since there's going to be a Republican congress anyhow, we might as well put a Republican president in there and see if they can accomplish anything worthwhile together. Otherwise, it's 4 more years of gridlock.
So your Dad loved all GOP government and policies of the 2000's that brought us to Sept 2008?He sounds brilliant.
It's not Obama vs. George W. Bush. That was the last election, essentially. 4 years have passed. This election is Obama vs. alternative to Obama.
Well, considering Romney's policies are about the same as the Bush admin with a dose of crazy Paul Ryan social engineering, I think it makes sense.
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
So is your father also voting out the Republicans in congress that has prevented movement of any policy that 'could" help. I know that President Obama policies are probably not the answer, but we need to so something than standing on the sideline and doing nothing,
I suspect my dad's response to you would be that, since there's going to be a Republican congress anyhow, we might as well put a Republican president in there and see if they can accomplish anything worthwhile together. Otherwise, it's 4 more years of gridlock.
So your Dad loved all GOP government and policies of the 2000's that brought us to Sept 2008?He sounds brilliant.
Great, lets keep blaming everything on the past administration 4 years into his term since he has accomplished nothing except pushing his healthcare agenda while the economy has struggled.The guy is basically a pop star thats a smooth talker. Romney sucks too but maybe he will do something.

 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change.

My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Not only simplistic, but extremely uninformed. The stock market has been gangbusters under Obama, and we've now recovered ALL of the private sector jobs that were lost in the great recession.It amazes me that people really thought Obama was going to wave a magic wand and fix all of our economic problems in less than 4 years.
Ummm, have you been reading the news lately?http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2012/06/01/the-june-market-disaster/

If the month of May injected concern back into financial markets, June has brought panic.

With Europe in turmoil and Chinas economy clearly slowing, the world has been counting on the U.S. economy to pull it through the summer. But Fridays U.S. jobs report disappointed, revealing that U.S. payrolls climbed by only 69,000 last month, much less than expected. To make matters worse, Aprils employment gain was revised down. U.S. unemployment has now risen to 8.2%.

The DAX, Germanys stock market index, fell by more than 3.3% on Friday and the U.S. stock market plunged at its open. But the really incredible number in the first morning of June: The benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury yield reached a record low, falling below 1.5%. Investors are stampeding into U.S. bonds looking for a safe haven like never before.

What changed in May? For one thing, in Europe elections in France and Greece upset an already delicate balance, making it much more likely that Greece will exit the euro. Doubts have hit Spains largest banks and the European Central Bank indicated it will not step in to help them. Now, the U.S. recovery is in doubt. So is Barack Obamas second term.

June looks like a game changer.
This is your 'buy signal' alert going off, boys and girls.
S&P +3.67% for the week :bowtie: :bowtie: :bowtie: :bowtie:

 
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Air Force One just left LA a few hours ago. Obama just completed his fourth trip to California in 2012. He had five fundraisers scheduled over two days. He collected somewhere between 2 and 10 million dollars in donations.

You know what? I'm fine with that. I'm OK with a politician having to do fundraising, because that's our system. I'm fine with people (who are legally allowed to do so) freely donating to politicians that they feel represent them best, I've done it myself (you're welcome, Gary Johnson). I'm OK with Hollywood and San Francisco being called "Obama's ATM". Because they are.

I just don't want to hear from anyone, though, that "my vote in California doesn't count in the Electoral College". It does. California counts huge. So much that Obama, and the national Democratic party, will do anything to cater to California's preferences before a single vote is even cast on Election Day. There is no Electoral math toward an Obama victory without this state's 55 votes, and they know it. Obama comes here to California, and says he'll do whatever we say we want if we give him cash. "Evolve" on gay marriage? Done. Prop up the housing market? Done. Whatever we want, as long as our checks keep clearing, California's electoral votes are his.

I'm fine with that. I'm fine with it being the way our system works. I like how it works, actually, even if I'm on the #### end of the stick most of the time. It's still OK with me. I just don't want people to whine that "they have no say" while a much smaller state like Nevada "gets to be the lucky one picked to be a swing state".

California has plenty of say in national & presidential politics. We dictate the platform. We basically get a whole party for ourselves. We shouldn't claim we're not listened to when we're the ones funding this campaign more than anyone.
Wait- so because California has some liberal mulitmillionaires willing to give large sums to Obama, that means that MY vote counts? Bull####. I'm no millionaire and the impact of my vote has NOTHING to do with those guys.Here are the facts: by the time the California primary comes around, the candidate for each side is chosen, so we have no say. When the national election comes in November, more than half the time the media has predicted a winner before the polls have closed in my state. And even when that does not happen, if you choose to vote anything other than Democrat in my state, your vote is meaningless.

I live in the most populated state in the Union, but when it comes to selecting the President, we have almost NO say.

 
Air Force One just left LA a few hours ago. Obama just completed his fourth trip to California in 2012. He had five fundraisers scheduled over two days. He collected somewhere between 2 and 10 million dollars in donations.

You know what? I'm fine with that. I'm OK with a politician having to do fundraising, because that's our system. I'm fine with people (who are legally allowed to do so) freely donating to politicians that they feel represent them best, I've done it myself (you're welcome, Gary Johnson). I'm OK with Hollywood and San Francisco being called "Obama's ATM". Because they are.

I just don't want to hear from anyone, though, that "my vote in California doesn't count in the Electoral College". It does. California counts huge. So much that Obama, and the national Democratic party, will do anything to cater to California's preferences before a single vote is even cast on Election Day. There is no Electoral math toward an Obama victory without this state's 55 votes, and they know it. Obama comes here to California, and says he'll do whatever we say we want if we give him cash. "Evolve" on gay marriage? Done. Prop up the housing market? Done. Whatever we want, as long as our checks keep clearing, California's electoral votes are his.

I'm fine with that. I'm fine with it being the way our system works. I like how it works, actually, even if I'm on the #### end of the stick most of the time. It's still OK with me. I just don't want people to whine that "they have no say" while a much smaller state like Nevada "gets to be the lucky one picked to be a swing state".

California has plenty of say in national & presidential politics. We dictate the platform. We basically get a whole party for ourselves. We shouldn't claim we're not listened to when we're the ones funding this campaign more than anyone.
Wait- so because California has some liberal mulitmillionaires willing to give large sums to Obama, that means that MY vote counts? Bull####. I'm no millionaire and the impact of my vote has NOTHING to do with those guys.Here are the facts: by the time the California primary comes around, the candidate for each side is chosen, so we have no say. When the national election comes in November, more than half the time the media has predicted a winner before the polls have closed in my state. And even when that does not happen, if you choose to vote anything other than Democrat in my state, your vote is meaningless.

I live in the most populated state in the Union, but when it comes to selecting the President, we have almost NO say.
The Democratic Party will do nothing that jeopardizes the 55 electoral votes of California. They'll do whatever the state wants. The state sets the agenda. Not just the multimillionaires, but the state as a whole. The Democratic Party Platform will never include something opposed by California. It doesn't matter who the person is chosen as the nominee--everyone in the party has to pledge to do what California wants if they want to be the nominee. No one will ever be the nominee if he represents something California opposes.

We get our own party.

What do you want? You've already got the Democratic Party in your pocket. Do you want the Republicans to have to grovel to us, too?

To say California has no influence in national politics is asinine.

 
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Air Force One just left LA a few hours ago. Obama just completed his fourth trip to California in 2012. He had five fundraisers scheduled over two days. He collected somewhere between 2 and 10 million dollars in donations.

You know what? I'm fine with that. I'm OK with a politician having to do fundraising, because that's our system. I'm fine with people (who are legally allowed to do so) freely donating to politicians that they feel represent them best, I've done it myself (you're welcome, Gary Johnson). I'm OK with Hollywood and San Francisco being called "Obama's ATM". Because they are.

I just don't want to hear from anyone, though, that "my vote in California doesn't count in the Electoral College". It does. California counts huge. So much that Obama, and the national Democratic party, will do anything to cater to California's preferences before a single vote is even cast on Election Day. There is no Electoral math toward an Obama victory without this state's 55 votes, and they know it. Obama comes here to California, and says he'll do whatever we say we want if we give him cash. "Evolve" on gay marriage? Done. Prop up the housing market? Done. Whatever we want, as long as our checks keep clearing, California's electoral votes are his.

I'm fine with that. I'm fine with it being the way our system works. I like how it works, actually, even if I'm on the #### end of the stick most of the time. It's still OK with me. I just don't want people to whine that "they have no say" while a much smaller state like Nevada "gets to be the lucky one picked to be a swing state".

California has plenty of say in national & presidential politics. We dictate the platform. We basically get a whole party for ourselves. We shouldn't claim we're not listened to when we're the ones funding this campaign more than anyone.
Wait- so because California has some liberal mulitmillionaires willing to give large sums to Obama, that means that MY vote counts? Bull####. I'm no millionaire and the impact of my vote has NOTHING to do with those guys.Here are the facts: by the time the California primary comes around, the candidate for each side is chosen, so we have no say. When the national election comes in November, more than half the time the media has predicted a winner before the polls have closed in my state. And even when that does not happen, if you choose to vote anything other than Democrat in my state, your vote is meaningless.

I live in the most populated state in the Union, but when it comes to selecting the President, we have almost NO say.
The Democratic Party will do nothing that jeopardizes the 55 electoral votes of California. They'll do whatever the state wants. The state sets the agenda. Not just the multimillionaires, but the state as a whole. The Democratic Party Platform will never include something opposed by California. It doesn't matter who the person is chosen as the nominee--everyone in the party has to pledge to do what California wants if they want to be the nominee. No one will ever be the nominee if he represents something California opposes.

We get our own party.

What do you want? You've already got the Democratic Party in your pocket. Do you want the Republicans to have to grovel to us, too?
Sounds like the Republicans when you substitute "Grover Norquist" for California".
 
My father, who is a life-long liberal who, to the best of my knowledge, has never voted for a Republican, stunned me yesterday when he told me he would be voting for Mitt Romney. My dad's reason is the economy: the stock market, unemployment. He is convinced that Obama's policies (or lack of them) have led to our current state of affairs, and he wants a change. My dad, while having strong political views, doesn't follow politics on a daily or even monthly basis- he doesn't pay attention to the various battles and rhetoric back and forth between the Dems and Republicans. He looks at the situation, sees that it's bad, sees that Obama is in charge, and wants a change. This is a simplistic way to look at things, but it might not be an incorrect one. And there's a whole lot of Americans who think this way.
Well...according to Obama, everything is going fine in the private sector. I don't know why he would switch to that vampire Romney....he only exists to suck the life out of bunnies and children under 10.
 
Air Force One just left LA a few hours ago. Obama just completed his fourth trip to California in 2012. He had five fundraisers scheduled over two days. He collected somewhere between 2 and 10 million dollars in donations.

You know what? I'm fine with that. I'm OK with a politician having to do fundraising, because that's our system. I'm fine with people (who are legally allowed to do so) freely donating to politicians that they feel represent them best, I've done it myself (you're welcome, Gary Johnson). I'm OK with Hollywood and San Francisco being called "Obama's ATM". Because they are.

I just don't want to hear from anyone, though, that "my vote in California doesn't count in the Electoral College". It does. California counts huge. So much that Obama, and the national Democratic party, will do anything to cater to California's preferences before a single vote is even cast on Election Day. There is no Electoral math toward an Obama victory without this state's 55 votes, and they know it. Obama comes here to California, and says he'll do whatever we say we want if we give him cash. "Evolve" on gay marriage? Done. Prop up the housing market? Done. Whatever we want, as long as our checks keep clearing, California's electoral votes are his.

I'm fine with that. I'm fine with it being the way our system works. I like how it works, actually, even if I'm on the #### end of the stick most of the time. It's still OK with me. I just don't want people to whine that "they have no say" while a much smaller state like Nevada "gets to be the lucky one picked to be a swing state".

California has plenty of say in national & presidential politics. We dictate the platform. We basically get a whole party for ourselves. We shouldn't claim we're not listened to when we're the ones funding this campaign more than anyone.
Wait- so because California has some liberal mulitmillionaires willing to give large sums to Obama, that means that MY vote counts? Bull####. I'm no millionaire and the impact of my vote has NOTHING to do with those guys.Here are the facts: by the time the California primary comes around, the candidate for each side is chosen, so we have no say. When the national election comes in November, more than half the time the media has predicted a winner before the polls have closed in my state. And even when that does not happen, if you choose to vote anything other than Democrat in my state, your vote is meaningless.

I live in the most populated state in the Union, but when it comes to selecting the President, we have almost NO say.
The Democratic Party will do nothing that jeopardizes the 55 electoral votes of California. They'll do whatever the state wants. The state sets the agenda. Not just the multimillionaires, but the state as a whole. The Democratic Party Platform will never include something opposed by California. It doesn't matter who the person is chosen as the nominee--everyone in the party has to pledge to do what California wants if they want to be the nominee. No one will ever be the nominee if he represents something California opposes.

We get our own party.

What do you want? You've already got the Democratic Party in your pocket. Do you want the Republicans to have to grovel to us, too?

To say California has no influence in national politics is asinine.
For a great deal of time, California has had great influence in national politics....now however, it looks as if the worm is turning. California is almost becoming a punchline as to how much money they bleed out.It will be interesting to see how influential they still are in ten years if they stay on the same fiscal course.

 
I thought this passage was interesting, regarding the mood towards Obama:

And they don’t like it that he doesn’t listen. When the voters of Massachusetts elected Scott Brown – as pure a referendum on Obamacare as one could imagine – the president pressed ahead with the Affordable Care Act anyway. The very name – Affordable Care Act – seemed almost an affront. When the voters in 2010 said “enough” to new spending, Obama ignored the message and derailed the subsequent budget negotiations with Congress. When the voters of North Carolina said “no” to same-sex marriage, the very next day the president endorsed same-sex marriage.
It was probably most concisely displayed with the "I won" comment.
 
4 more years...

4 more years...

Look at the bright side if he gets re-electd he wont have to go into campaigning mode after the first 2 years...

Maybe he can take the people of the country into consideration instead of his political ambitions...

That will be the real Change...

Finally...

That #### was funny by the way...

 

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