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Ack88

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Mine is Brandon Cooks. Blazing speed. Brees already is raving about him. While Grahan will remain a target monster, Colston is slowing down and is not quite the player he was.

Cooks will post 72/1100/11 this year.

I will be targeting him in every league.

Watkins may be better over the long haul but Cooks has the talent, supporting cast, and QB to make an instant impact. He will be the exception to the rule that rookie wrs. do not typically have early success.

 
Sankey, Watkins, Cooks...in that order. Love Cooks but Graham and Colston are still there and Brees spreads the ball around. Think Watkins will be force fed the ball.

 
Mine is Watkins he will consistently get the targets week in and week out.

Cooks will be too inconsistent and although he will have some big weeks his year end numbers will not allow him to go over 1000 yards as a rookie. Brees will hit him for some long td's, but Graham and Colston and RB's will get the consistent underneath stuff.

 
Breese had over 5,000 yards last year and only had one guy go over 1,000 yards receiving (Grahan). Colston, P. Thomas, and Stills are all still on the team and will all fight for receptions.

 
I love Watkins over the long haul, but everything aligns for Cooks to have a massive rookie year. He's got the talent, long speed, QB play, offensive system, and the fact that he will seldom see priority or double coverage.

I'll stop beating the drum but this looks like he could really have a special year.

 
I'll go with Evans. 65/1000/9 stat line. Working opposite vjax opens up single coverage with a #2 corner every week. Qb who is not afraid to throw. Probably playing a lot of high scoring games.

 
Ack88 said:
I love Watkins over the long haul, but everything aligns for Cooks to have a massive rookie year. He's got the talent, long speed, QB play, offensive system, and the fact that he will seldom see priority or double coverage.

I'll stop beating the drum but this looks like he could really have a special year.
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What type of targets do you see for Cooks to have this special year?

 
bostonfred said:
Instead of naming first and early second round dynasty rookie picks, I'll post a super long shot with Kapri Bibb.
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I actually like Bibbs (took him in the 7th round in a league that drafts before the NFL draft), but I think he's got a large enough battle beating out Anderson just to be Ball's potential handcuff.

Of course, if he does that, then he's just an injury away...except he'd probably never be trusted to pass protect for Peyton, so Hillman would get a lot of work.

 
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Teddy Bridgewater, and it won't be close.
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Since 2004, a QB has won the award six times. That being the case, I second the vote for Bridgewater. I think he'll do enough towards the later part of the season to impress the judges. Runner up: Sankey

On the defensive side, an impact LB is usually the pick. I think MIN sweeps the ROY honors and Anthony Barr is the selection. Runner up: DeMarcus Lawrence.

 
Matthews

Cooks is not going to have double digit TDs this year. I like him though and see him being a super star down the road in that offense.

 
Ilov80s said:
cstu said:
Bob Magaw said:
Watkins or Ebron.

I agree with Shazier or Donald on defense.
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On a TE winning ROY - not saying it can't happen, but it's never happened.
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He probably has the best chance a TE has ever had, but it seems really unlikely.
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It's possible if more TEs had been used like Ebron could be this year, it might have happened before, and if he is more successful than his predecessors, it will help him stand out more.

Some scouts thought Watkins and Ebron were the top two receiving weapons in the draft.

1) Many TEs have struggled with the blocking part of the job description. Retaining Pettigrew should free him from much of this obstacle (it didn't work out for Eifert, but imo Gresham is a more talented pass catcher than Pettigrew).

2) I expect Ebron to be deployed more like a big WR than a traditional TE, increasing the chance he puts up stats more like an upper echelon rookie WR than TE.

3) If Stafford approaches 5,000 yards, Calvin, Tate and the RBs will get theirs, but that could still leave a lot of potential production for Ebron.

 
Terrence West

Mike Evans

Sammy Watkins

In that order.

West is a beast and will win the job in Cleveland, and while I believe that Gordon will be there for all 16 games, the Browns will run the ball a ton, because they can with West.

Evans is going to be hell to cover and he will get massive red zone targets, and catch most of them.

Watkins will get fed heavy, and while his QB situation sucks, the sheer amount of targets should lead to healthy production.

 
Marqise Lee and Allen Robinson landed in a situation to get plenty of targets right away. Jacksonville has very little receiving options otherwise. I like Lee more as a player, so I'll go with him.

 
The award used to be dominated by RBs up until that last ten years.

Here is the list from 2004 to present.

2004

QB Ben Roethlisberger

2005

RB Cadillac Williams

2006

QB Vince Young

2007

RB Adrian Peterson

2008

QB Matt Ryan

2009

WR Percy Harvin

2010

QB Sam Brandfor

2011

QB Cam Newton

2012

QB Robert Griffin III

2013

RB Eddie Lacy

Very rare that rookie WRs produce numbers that put them in the running for OROY.

If a crop of rookies lacks viable QB prospects it typically goes to a RB.

Not sure how the rookie QB competitions work as to which of the rookie QBs could get enough playing time to produce but Teddy looks like the best bet right now. Obviously Sankey is the RB right now without anyone in front of him and in an excellent position in case no QBs emerge. Dark horse would be WR Sammy Watkins so my list would be:

1. QB Teddy Bridgewater

2. RB Bishop Sankey

3. WR Sammy Watkins

Defensively the award is dominated by LBs. I would have thought C.J. Mosely in a runaway but it appears he's going to split reps. Ryan Shazier is in an excellent spot to produce but Pittsburgh typically sits or limits rookies. Not sure of any other viable DROY right now so I can't even fathom a guess on that side right now.

 
Ack88 said:
I love Watkins over the long haul, but everything aligns for Cooks to have a massive rookie year. He's got the talent, long speed, QB play, offensive system, and the fact that he will seldom see priority or double coverage.

I'll stop beating the drum but this looks like he could really have a special year.
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Don't stop beating the drum. We need opinions on both sides of the Cooks issue.

Your opinion on Cooks is facing years of history with rookie WRs not being as productive as you are projecting. Plus, as someone pointed out, NO has always been a spread it around offense.

What I want to know is - how smart is Cooks? Tavon Austin is as dumb as a post and had all kinds of trouble with the playbook last year. What is Cooks like in an offense like New Orleans?

 
buck naked said:
Ack88 said:
I love Watkins over the long haul, but everything aligns for Cooks to have a massive rookie year. He's got the talent, long speed, QB play, offensive system, and the fact that he will seldom see priority or double coverage.

I'll stop beating the drum but this looks like he could really have a special year.
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Don't stop beating the drum. We need opinions on both sides of the Cooks issue.

Your opinion on Cooks is facing years of history with rookie WRs not being as productive as you are projecting. Plus, as someone pointed out, NO has always been a spread it around offense.

What I want to know is - how smart is Cooks? Tavon Austin is as dumb as a post and had all kinds of trouble with the playbook last year. What is Cooks like in an offense like New Orleans?
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Brees complimented Cooks on being able to pick things up quickly. It's in the Cooks thread I think.

 
Milkman said:
buck naked said:
Ack88 said:
I love Watkins over the long haul, but everything aligns for Cooks to have a massive rookie year. He's got the talent, long speed, QB play, offensive system, and the fact that he will seldom see priority or double coverage.

I'll stop beating the drum but this looks like he could really have a special year.
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Don't stop beating the drum. We need opinions on both sides of the Cooks issue.

Your opinion on Cooks is facing years of history with rookie WRs not being as productive as you are projecting. Plus, as someone pointed out, NO has always been a spread it around offense.

What I want to know is - how smart is Cooks? Tavon Austin is as dumb as a post and had all kinds of trouble with the playbook last year. What is Cooks like in an offense like New Orleans?
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Brees complimented Cooks on being able to pick things up quickly. It's in the Cooks thread I think.
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Veteran QB trying to build up a rookie confidence? Never heard of that before.

Look, Cooks is a talented player who will make some great plays but with Colston, Stills, and Graham plus the passing out of the backfield, 11 TDs isnt only laughable, it is as bias as you can get.

 
I have no bias towards Cooks. I do not own him in any league.

I feel that he has a number of things working in his favor:

1. Great QB play

2. An opportunity to excel immediately, as Colston is slowing down and Graham will probably draw more double coverages and defensive schemes designed to take him away.

3. Sproles is no longer in NO.

4. A desire to practice and play the game correctly. While it could be just rhetoric, Brees has made it a point to praise Cooks' desire to get better every practice and that is important. If Brees trusts him, it makes a major difference.

5. No Lance Moore

6. Stills is more of a one dimensional player

7. First round pedigree. Clearly, the Saints but into his ability to be a high impact player.

I stand by my projection. As always, the debate is great. I look forward to seeing how this unfolds.

 
False Start said:
Milkman said:
buck naked said:
Ack88 said:
I love Watkins over the long haul, but everything aligns for Cooks to have a massive rookie year. He's got the talent, long speed, QB play, offensive system, and the fact that he will seldom see priority or double coverage.

I'll stop beating the drum but this looks like he could really have a special year.
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Don't stop beating the drum. We need opinions on both sides of the Cooks issue.

Your opinion on Cooks is facing years of history with rookie WRs not being as productive as you are projecting. Plus, as someone pointed out, NO has always been a spread it around offense.

What I want to know is - how smart is Cooks? Tavon Austin is as dumb as a post and had all kinds of trouble with the playbook last year. What is Cooks like in an offense like New Orleans?
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Brees complimented Cooks on being able to pick things up quickly. It's in the Cooks thread I think.
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Veteran QB trying to build up a rookie confidence? Never heard of that before.

Look, Cooks is a talented player who will make some great plays but with Colston, Stills, and Graham plus the passing out of the backfield, 11 TDs isnt only laughable, it is as bias as you can get.
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I'll agree that double digit scores is overly optimistic for a rookie but laughable and biased? Really?

Stills isn't a major factor... High octane offense... Sproles is gone... 4.3 speed... There is a lot to like here. That said, at 5'10 he probably isn't the red zone threat that Colston and Graham are. But, 8 TDs could happen...

 
Ack88 said:
I have no bias towards Cooks. I do not own him in any league.

I feel that he has a number of things working in his favor:

1. Great QB play

2. An opportunity to excel immediately, as Colston is slowing down and Graham will probably draw more double coverages and defensive schemes designed to take him away.

3. Sproles is no longer in NO.

4. A desire to practice and play the game correctly. While it could be just rhetoric, Brees has made it a point to praise Cooks' desire to get better every practice and that is important. If Brees trusts him, it makes a major difference.

5. No Lance Moore

6. Stills is more of a one dimensional player

7. First round pedigree. Clearly, the Saints but into his ability to be a high impact player.

I stand by my projection. As always, the debate is great. I look forward to seeing how this unfolds.
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He has as good a shot as any of the other rookies.....Watkins will be the clear #1 on his team and should be the clear favorite for ROY but the QB situation could hod him back

 
Lol Cooks has a better shot at "never" catching 11 TD's in a season then he does of doing it his rookie season.

 
Top picks for me right now.

Offense;

1. J. Hill - I think this guy is going to get the ball a lot more than people expect. With that he will score some TDs in the Bengals explosive offense.

2. Sankey - should see the most touches of any rookie RB.

3. Watkins - should see the most targets of any rookie WR.

I'm optimistic about Bridgewater as well but I'm not sure how much he will play. He could be the dark horse here.

Defense;

1. Pryor - the NYJ have a great front 7 and that will allow this guy to make lots of plays.

2. D. Lawrence - this guy is going to be inserted I to a big role early in Dal. I could see a 10+ sack season.

3. Clowney - just too talented too leave off the list. Maybe a stretch for him to win it as he transitions to a new position but he's so athletic I won't bet against him.

 
It's gotta be Donald for DPOY. This guy is going to dominate. Teams are going to regret letting him drop to the teens.

OROY I'll go with Sankey. He's just going to get so many touches... and that o-line is great.

 
Bob Magaw said:
Ilov80s said:
cstu said:
Bob Magaw said:
Watkins or Ebron.

I agree with Shazier or Donald on defense.
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On a TE winning ROY - not saying it can't happen, but it's never happened.
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He probably has the best chance a TE has ever had, but it seems really unlikely.
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It's possible if more TEs had been used like Ebron could be this year, it might have happened before, and if he is more successful than his predecessors, it will help him stand out more.

Some scouts thought Watkins and Ebron were the top two receiving weapons in the draft.

1) Many TEs have struggled with the blocking part of the job description. Retaining Pettigrew should free him from much of this obstacle (it didn't work out for Eifert, but imo Gresham is a more talented pass catcher than Pettigrew).

2) I expect Ebron to be deployed more like a big WR than a traditional TE, increasing the chance he puts up stats more like an upper echelon rookie WR than TE.

3) If Stafford approaches 5,000 yards, Calvin, Tate and the RBs will get theirs, but that could still leave a lot of potential production for Ebron.
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What if Stafford has close to another 2011 type year with 5,000 and 35? You figure Calvin is good for 1600 and 14, the backs will do around 1000 and 4, Pettigrew will be about 300 and 2. If Tate and Fauria both fill out their roles, I think we see them combine for 1200 and 9. That only leaves 900 and 6 for Ebron...a nice rookie year, but no Rookie of the Year. So for Ebron to be rookie of the year, he needs to steal production from Fauria and Tate. The other big question: does the new staff throw the ball anywhere near enough to even left Stafford hit 5k? I think Ebron needs an injury to Tate to get the numbers he will need for Rookie of the Year. It just so happens Tate is on the PUP list, so we shall see.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Very rare that rookie WRs produce numbers that put them in the running for OROY.

If a crop of rookies lacks viable QB prospects it typically goes to a RB.

Not sure how the rookie QB competitions work as to which of the rookie QBs could get enough playing time to produce but Teddy looks like the best bet right now. Obviously Sankey is the RB right now without anyone in front of him and in an excellent position in case no QBs emerge. Dark horse would be WR Sammy Watkins so my list would be:

1. QB Teddy Bridgewater

2. RB Bishop Sankey

3. WR Sammy Watkins

Defensively the award is dominated by LBs. I would have thought C.J. Mosely in a runaway but it appears he's going to split reps. Ryan Shazier is in an excellent spot to produce but Pittsburgh typically sits or limits rookies. Not sure of any other viable DROY right now so I can't even fathom a guess on that side right now.
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I'm changing my vote to this. Bridgewater has a very good chance of winning because a rookie QB who plays well at all will usually get it.

Bradford won in 2010 over Mike Williams who had 65/954/11.

 
I would have to say Bridgewater gets the ROY.

QBs can win two ways, by outstanding playing or average play on a winning team. Every other position has to put up big numbers regardless of the teams record. If the Vikings are still in the hunt around Week 16 and Bridgewater isn't playing terrible then he probably gets the nod.

 
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Blake Bortles

Jags played a lot tougher down the stretch defensively. Bortles will have growing pains but wont be expected to win a division. I see him having a solid year. Probably something like 3500 yds, 17tds, 12 ints. Add in another 300 yds rushing and 3-5 tds and hes a shoe in for ROY.

Its going to be a QB or Rb. It always is.

 
Insein said:
Blake Bortles

Jags played a lot tougher down the stretch defensively. Bortles will have growing pains but wont be expected to win a division. I see him having a solid year. Probably something like 3500 yds, 17tds, 12 ints. Add in another 300 yds rushing and 3-5 tds and hes a shoe in for ROY.

Its going to be a QB or Rb. It always is.
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I might not agree with those numbers but for Bortles to even be in the discussion he has to be on the field. The Jags plan to give him a year to develop.

 
Borden said:
Insein said:
Blake Bortles

Jags played a lot tougher down the stretch defensively. Bortles will have growing pains but wont be expected to win a division. I see him having a solid year. Probably something like 3500 yds, 17tds, 12 ints. Add in another 300 yds rushing and 3-5 tds and hes a shoe in for ROY.

Its going to be a QB or Rb. It always is.
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I might not agree with those numbers but for Bortles to even be in the discussion he has to be on the field. The Jags plan to give him a year to develop.
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True but I dont see them sticking to it if he geta in there. Henne isnt exactly young and despite not having a terrible injury history, he has missed some time in recent years. I see it as Bortles getting in there and doing some good things. Maybe even winning a game or 2 and then the Jags change their mind about waiting.

Guess we'll see.

 
Harvin was drafted in the 20s, Rookie of the Year, having an MVP-type year in 2012 and SEA is paying him like a top 5 WR.

Ginn and Warrick were better examples.

 
Insein said:
Borden said:
Insein said:
Blake Bortles

Jags played a lot tougher down the stretch defensively. Bortles will have growing pains but wont be expected to win a division. I see him having a solid year. Probably something like 3500 yds, 17tds, 12 ints. Add in another 300 yds rushing and 3-5 tds and hes a shoe in for ROY.

Its going to be a QB or Rb. It always is.
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I might not agree with those numbers but for Bortles to even be in the discussion he has to be on the field. The Jags plan to give him a year to develop.
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True but I dont see them sticking to it if he geta in there. Henne isnt exactly young and despite not having a terrible injury history, he has missed some time in recent years. I see it as Bortles getting in there and doing some good things. Maybe even winning a game or 2 and then the Jags change their mind about waiting.

Guess we'll see.
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Personally, I think Henne gets at least a half dozen starts. For Bortles to win ROY with say 10 starts, he would have to put up huge numbers. And if he's that successful, then Lee and Robinson would also have to have nice years and split the vote. Can't see a small market team with 3 rookie skill position players come up with the ROY winner.

 
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