Dr.Cheesenstein
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FF or actual skill?SO who are your top 5? And reasons why.
Are we talking now or 2000?Lewis
Urlacher
Vilma
I'll let you guys handle the remaining 2.
Which Peterson?Vilma
Urlacher
Lewis
Bulluck
Peterson
Assuming we're talking NFL, not fantasy....Lewis is top 10 if not top 5. Skills have definitly declined a significant amount since 2000. But back then he was #1 by far.Vilma
Urlacher
Lewis
Buluck
Peterson
I'm a Jags fan so I'm inclined to agree with Mike Peterson, he didn't even make the Pro Bowl last season. And looking at aposulli's post with the line, "Peterson has the talent, but he needs to show me he can stay healthy and produce at a high level for more than 1-2 seasons in a row." I'm guessing he thought it was Julian. Obviously Seattle thinks it Julian based on that contract. Mike P has played very well for the Jags the last two season, I guess I'm just surprised anyone noticed.Which Peterson?Vilma
Urlacher
Lewis
Bulluck
PetersonMike
Barnett sucks, but his numbers may go up as teams avoid the other side of the field with Rocky Dennis manning that side.Fantasy, early rankings top ten:
Edwards,Donnie
Bulluck,Keith
Brooking,Keith
Peterson,Mike
Thomas,Zach
Fletcher,London
Barnett,Nick
Urlacher,Brian
Vilma,Jonathan
Thurman,Odell
I did think it was Julian that was mentioned. Guy has immense talent, which doesn't exactly translate into fantasy #s being a SSLB.Mike on the other hand is a fantasy beast, which comes with being a MLB when playing in front of stud DTs like Stroud and Henderson. He never was a amazing fantasy performer without those guys, so I wonder about his talent level. Still should probly be included on my fringe list.I'm a Jags fan so I'm inclined to agree with Mike Peterson, he didn't even make the Pro Bowl last season. And looking at aposulli's post with the line, "Peterson has the talent, but he needs to show me he can stay healthy and produce at a high level for more than 1-2 seasons in a row." I'm guessing he thought it was Julian. Obviously Seattle thinks it Julian based on that contract. Mike P has played very well for the Jags the last two season, I guess I'm just surprised anyone noticed.Which Peterson?Vilma
Urlacher
Lewis
Bulluck
PetersonMike
Are you assuming he is moving to OLB?Hes been MLB for his career in GB, so he's been pretty unavoidable lol.Barnett sucks, but his numbers may go up as teams avoid the other side of the field with Rocky Dennis manning that side.Fantasy, early rankings top ten:
Edwards,Donnie
Bulluck,Keith
Brooking,Keith
Peterson,Mike
Thomas,Zach
Fletcher,London
Barnett,Nick
Urlacher,Brian
Vilma,Jonathan
Thurman,Odell
Using NFL.com's tackle stats, which are weak but good enough for this, Mike had over 100 tackles in 3 of 4 seasons in indy without Henderstroud in front of him. Including years with 159 and 137 tackles. He only played 9 games in the one season with indy that he missed 100 tackles. In fact he had 2 seasons in indy with more tackles than he's ever had in Jacksonville. His overall play has been better for the Jags, but he was doing quite well for himself before joining them.I did think it was Julian that was mentioned. Guy has immense talent, which doesn't exactly translate into fantasy #s being a SSLB.Mike on the other hand is a fantasy beast, which comes with being a MLB when playing in front of stud DTs like Stroud and Henderson. He never was a amazing fantasy performer without those guys, so I wonder about his talent level. Still should probly be included on my fringe list.I'm a Jags fan so I'm inclined to agree with Mike Peterson, he didn't even make the Pro Bowl last season. And looking at aposulli's post with the line, "Peterson has the talent, but he needs to show me he can stay healthy and produce at a high level for more than 1-2 seasons in a row." I'm guessing he thought it was Julian. Obviously Seattle thinks it Julian based on that contract. Mike P has played very well for the Jags the last two season, I guess I'm just surprised anyone noticed.Which Peterson?Vilma
Urlacher
Lewis
Bulluck
PetersonMike
Anyone remember a guy named Derrick Brooks?Brian Urlacher
Jonathan Vilma
Donnie Edwards
Ray Lewis
Keith Bulluck
Urlacher is still the king. I REALLY like what I see in Vilma so far. Edwards has continuously produced well. Lewis needs to rebound and stay healthy, but if anyone can do it, he can...
I was just going to say that. Absolutely rediculous he isn't mentioned as one of the best LB's in the game... he's getting older but.... still top 5 overall.Anyone remember a guy named Derrick Brooks?Brian Urlacher
Jonathan Vilma
Donnie Edwards
Ray Lewis
Keith Bulluck
Urlacher is still the king. I REALLY like what I see in Vilma so far. Edwards has continuously produced well. Lewis needs to rebound and stay healthy, but if anyone can do it, he can...![]()
easy to say people should be in there, what's your top 5?I was just going to say that. Absolutely rediculous he isn't mentioned as one of the best LB's in the game... he's getting older but.... still top 5 overall.Anyone remember a guy named Derrick Brooks?Brian Urlacher
Jonathan Vilma
Donnie Edwards
Ray Lewis
Keith Bulluck
Urlacher is still the king. I REALLY like what I see in Vilma so far. Edwards has continuously produced well. Lewis needs to rebound and stay healthy, but if anyone can do it, he can...![]()
Which Peterson?Vilma
Urlacher
Lewis
Bulluck
PetersonMike
... I wouldn't dare forget Brooks.Funny I was the only one that mentioned him, even though I think he actually has slowed down enough to be considered outside the top 5.I wish I could still have Bruschi on this list. For all the heart and desire he brings to the game he would be top 5 if it weren't for the stroke.
Honorable mention to Brooks and Z.Thomas also
I think I was the one who called JULIAN Peterson injury prone.Though I was wrong about MIke Peterson's perf. before he got to Jax, I have to wonder if he really has gotten better since Indy's days. He should be racking up huuuge numbers behind Henderstroud if he was really a top 5 LB.Peterson is not injury prone. He has played in every single game for six out of his seven career seasons.
At one time, Donnie could hold Peterson's jock...
...not anymore.
Chances Donnie Edwards gets cut before the 2006 season: 0%My guess is the reason he was(is?) being dangledas trade bait is to show him what his actual value is around the league. I'm a homer and a huge Edwards fan but he's probably kidding himself if he thinks any team out there is willing to pony up a big signing bonus to a LB that's 33yo. He'll play and play well in SD this seasos playing for a new contract in '07 but I doubt he'll be happy with the amount he signs for then either.Donnie Edwards? Really? I realize the guy makes lots of tackles, and is an above-avg LB, but if he was as elite as people think, not only would SD not be looking to dump him (ya ya I know Coach vs. GM in SD, but a GM won't cut a Top 5 LB out of spite), but somebody would be offering up at least a 3rd for the dude.
As is, he will likely be cut and signed to a moderate contract.
Because there are more skills involved in being one of the best LB's in the game than just tackling. Zack is a great leader and a tackling machine but doesn't offer the versatility that some other guys do. If you want to rush the passer I'd much rather have Peterson do it. If you want to cover a guy out of the backfield I'd much rather have Edwards do it.How anyone could put Edwards or Peterson down on the list before Zach Thomas is beyond me.
There was no 0 after the 5. We're talking top 5, not top 50.No mention of Shawne Merriman?
He'll be top 10 in no time.There was no 0 after the 5. We're talking top 5, not top 50.No mention of Shawne Merriman?
He'll be top 10 in no time.There was no 0 after the 5. We're talking top 5, not top 50.No mention of Shawne Merriman?
We arent talking fantasyHe'll be top 10 in no time.There was no 0 after the 5. We're talking top 5, not top 50.No mention of Shawne Merriman?![]()
Or Marcus Washington's.Wait, where's all the Lavar love gone?It's about time for Antonio Pierce's name to be mentioned.
Merriman > EdwardsThere was no 0 after the 5. We're talking top 5, not top 50.No mention of Shawne Merriman?
Alittle partial to Miami Hurricane players huh?In no particular order:
Vilma
R. Lewis
DJ Williams
D. Morgan
R. McIntosh
This is not really that hard.
Thank you -- agreed. While Merriman isn't one of the top 5 LB's in the league yet, he's not far off, and he's certainly better than Edwards at this point. If some of you other guys haven't seen him play, you're missing out. He's one of the most explosive and electrifying defensive players I've seen in a long time.Merriman > EdwardsThere was no 0 after the 5. We're talking top 5, not top 50.No mention of Shawne Merriman?
Thank you -- agreed. While Merriman isn't one of the top 5 LB's in the league yet, he's not far off, and he's certainly better than Edwards at this point. If some of you other guys haven't seen him play, you're missing out. He's one of the most explosive and electrifying defensive players I've seen in a long time.Merriman > EdwardsThere was no 0 after the 5. We're talking top 5, not top 50.No mention of Shawne Merriman?
Teddy Brushci needs respect here guy is a player and a warriorBrian Urlacher
Keith Bulluck
Ray Lewis
Jonathan Vilma
Donnie Edwards
I agree, but he's not a top-5 NFL linebacker. Not even sure he's top-10 anymore.Teddy Brushci needs respect here guy is a player and a warriorBrian Urlacher
Keith Bulluck
Ray Lewis
Jonathan Vilma
Donnie Edwards