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I would agree but would focus on either the O-Line or D-Line.......The O-Line helps average skill players get to be above average or better and the D-line would help average DB's get to above average or better. If you can't keep people off your QB or get to the QB it causes significant issues elsewhere.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
True, with OL though it actually seems to me that most of the top players are a bit older. This is especially true at tackle. As for D-Line, it does make DBs better but great DBs can make an average DL better as well. Better coverage= QB takes longer to release the ball. However, starting with Chris Jones, Aaron Donald, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett and Khalil Mack sure would be awesome as well.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Because they are blatant Browns homers and have little credibility. It's laughable really.
The bold is true but there are a lot more ways you can take great DB's out of a game and still have success. However, a great DL affects all aspects of the offensive game plan and will be significantly more disruptive in more aspects than just the passing game.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
he did dig out of the hole and put his team in the lead with 3 minutes to go...
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think it is complex- depends on scheme and what quality of players we get to fill out of the rest of the team. There is always a counter. A great DL can be countered with lots of quick passes.
Lol I get it though. For years, their hope was to win a game or two. They improved a great deal this past year and they go into 2019 with hopes of a playoff run. It's a great time to be a Browns fan. But you're right their overestimation of what Mayfield.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You could tell who the suckers are- the ones choosing a QB. Imagine starting your football team with a guy who can't run, block, tackle or catch. You think Baker Mayfield is going to learn a rip move and put pressure on the QB? Is Mahomes going to field a punt and house it? Not a chance. My first pick would be Sanu. He can run, catch, block and certainly is big enough to tackle. Plus he can play QB as he one of the highest career passer ratings in NFL history.you guys are nuts. You should only be choosing names from players who can play multiple positions since they're the Greatest Football Players, obviously.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Tom Brady has dropped back to pass 90 times in the post season and has not been sacked. The Patriots starting 5 OL men had a combined base salary of $8,337,000 this year.
That being said, I would likely not pick those guys early in a new league draft. Those guys (or similar players) can be had late and had pretty cheap late in the phantom draft.
If I had the time and felt motivated, I would compare player salaries to PFF performance grades for the season to see which guys were the best values.
You are also talking about the best QB of all time that changes protections/plays based on his ability to diagnose defenses and put his team into a better play. That hides a lot of deficiencies on the O-Line. There are not many QB's that can do that these days.
That won't be the case going forward as they gave Shaq Mason a 5/yr $45 million extension. Which to be fair, he deserves as arguably the best interior o-lineman in the NFL. I think you are underrating Mason, if you think he's just a guy.
I don't have the time either to look up everyone, but I'd be shocked if Eddie Jackson wasn't the top value. He's the best DB in the NFL, and made $766,452.
Desmond King was the #2 CB, and made $670,000.
$674, 574 for George Kittle seems like an excellent value too. $8.5 million less than Kelce, and Kittle might be the better player.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Saw a stat earlier this season that went something like the collective record of Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Montana, Elway (you get the picture) was 126-1 when they put up 40 points. Mahomes is 2-2.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
at the beginning of the season Mahomes had what looked to be one of the toughest 6 game stretches imaginable....STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
@Chargers...one of the best teams in the league....W
@ PIT....see Chargers.....now 2-0 on the road against two of the best in the AFC....W
vs SF....who were coming off a solid end of the previous season and at the time still had Jimmy G....still ended up being a decent team....W
@ Den....third road game in first 4....never an easy place to go....now with Miller/Chubb....W
vs JAC....AFC championship game previous year and picked by many to go to playoffs/super bowl....great defense, blah, blah, blah....W
@ NE....toe to toe with Brady at his house....lose by 3 in a team with ball last situation....L.....5-1 to start
I'd say many of those were big games and on the road....especially the first two......set the tone for the season....and they were not considered the favorite in some...
fast forward to game of the year against LAR....a 3 point loss....a huge win over BAL....etc
but quite honestly the "biggest" game of the year was the win over IND in the playoffs with the 6 game home losing streak gorilla on the Chiefs back and going against a hot IND team with Andrew Luck.....people don't understand the pressure 6 straight home loses create....Mahomes was supposed to be "the difference" and he came through...to be honest, everything after that in his first full year as a starter was gravy....so you are wrong, he has not lost every big game.... and he then gave his team the lead against the GOAT with 3 minutes to play and a chance at the Super Bowl....and then ties it up again after getting the ball back with 39 seconds....so not sure how you define "big games" but IMO he hasn't lost every big game of his career....he got his team the #1 seed....you can't get a higher seed....so he must of won a few "big" ones....and his four loses prior to the AFC championship were by a total of 14 points.....he did HIS part in every game this year really....gave his team a chance in every game....the defense is what really hurt them and he couldn't cover them each time....there were "plenty" of big games, but I guess our definitions might be different...
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Obviously the only “big game” is the Super Bowl. 
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
That’s a whole lot of effort for a throw away hyperbolic line. No he hasn’t lost EVERY[/] big game. Christ on a bike. 
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Vander Esch, Ramczyk, Armstead, Donald, Mahomes.
protect the quarterback / get the quarterback.
protect the quarterback / get the quarterback.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Mahomes
Zach Martin
Mack
Vander Esch
Ramsey
Zach Martin
Mack
Vander Esch
Ramsey
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yep. Had the same idea, just Bosa over Mack. Debatable for sure, but Joey is 4 years younger.
matuski
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The team he quarterbacked scored more points than the opposing team seven times.
There are some things that just don't need to be over complicated.
matuski
Footballguy
CaptainJT
Footballguy
This is just cheating the scenario. If I play along with your strategy of taking both Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes to trade one, why stop there? If your whole plan is just to trade one of them then you would be foolish not to take it to its logical conclusion and do that with all 5 players.
My team (by these rules):
1) Patrick Mahomes
2) Baker Mayfield
3) Russell Wilson
4) Andrew Luck
5) Jared Goff or Aaron Rodgers or Desean Watson or Cam or Wentz (whichever one you think you can trade for the most picks and players, it doesnt matter)
Then (if I go by your strategy) I offer them all up for trade and just keep one. Really it shouldnt matter because each guy on this list is worth AT LEAST a top pick AND a top player if not multiples of both. Whoever I am left with will have a great team around them and many top draft picks.
Something to be said for that. My thinking is that you want players at the key places that market (ie NFL teams) pay the most for. QB/DE/WR/CB/LT. Players that you need for the passing game, and players you need to stop it. Jalen Ramsey would be on more lists if he didn't keep running his mouth without backing it up. As appealing as Barkley/Gurley is, that position is just not that valuable. If you have Nelson (or Nelson and Martin in your example) anchoring your line, you're going to have running lanes
He's got a long concussion history is what he was getting at. His age is irrelevant to that. He's got a lot more longevity risk than a typically 27 year old, he may still be worth it, but personally, I'd prefer Bobby Wagner to him, partially because of the concussions, and partially because he might just be better right now. Of course, if I wanted to burn a top-5 choice on a LB, it'd probably be Vander Esch.
Completely agree. MLB is a rough position in the modern NFL. VanderEsch has been a machine, he is who I would take.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I'm building an offense
Todd Gurley
Alvin Kamara
Julio Jones
DeAndre Hopkins
Patrick Mahommes
I'll plug in an adequate OL and DL, and you can try to stop me.
Todd Gurley
Alvin Kamara
Julio Jones
DeAndre Hopkins
Patrick Mahommes
I'll plug in an adequate OL and DL, and you can try to stop me.
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