You're the Texans GM & it's Saturday morning (1 Viewer)

[P Boy]

With the latest on Bush really causing a swirl in the draft, what do you do as the Texans' GM tomorrow?

Take a chance on Bush, even though he wants huge money & he might be involved in pimping himself in college, because of his incredible potential?

Go with Mario Williams, who in a lot of other years would be the hands down #1 pick, with his complete skill set at DE?

Trade down to another team & let them sort out the mess, even if it means you might have to take a PR hit, to get more choices to improve a team that has a lot of holes to fill?

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

whether or not Bush's folks got some deal on rent would not persuade me one iota from drafting him if he is the #1 player on my board. Not at all.

 

[RKMoney]

Perfect, the news keeps getting better and better!

Bush getting sued: NFLPA claims threats

The owner of the house Reggie Bush's family lived in is planning to sue the family for $3.2 million. The NFLPA claims the family was the subject of unlawful threats.

We've heard whispers that this story is only getting started. Bush's family reportedly did not pay rent at the house they were living at. There are indications that Bush's stepfather was involved in setting up the agency that he eventually spurned. The possibility of him losing his Heisman is growing. Apr. 28 - 9:56 am et

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

[RKMoney]

With the latest on Bush really causing a swirl in the draft, what do you do as the Texans' GM tomorrow?

Take a chance on Bush, even though he wants huge money & he might be involved in pimping himself in college, because of his incredible potential?

Go with Mario Williams, who in a lot of other years would be the hands down #1 pick, with his complete skill set at DE?

Trade down to another team & let them sort out the mess, even if it means you might have to take a PR hit, to get more choices to improve a team that has a lot of holes to fill?

The problem with Mario is that there were LOTS of games where he did next to nothing and to be honest, NOBODY until a week ago or so even thought we would be a #1 overall pick. No thanks.

 

[GregR_2]

Interesting take on Mario from Len Pastabelly from ESPN. He was looking at Mario's stats and found that a rather surprisingly large percentage of his sacks came from just a handful of games.

Of course you can spin stats several ways, but an objective look would seem to suggest at least one interpretatin is that he may have excelled when he had weak linemen against him who couldn't match his freak athleticism, but didn't do much out of the ordinary outside of that.

Hard to say, without going and watching game film myself, how much credence I'd give it... but at the same time, I think it suggests that there isn't any such thing as a sure thing, and Mario may or may not be a safer pick than another.

 

[Bevo]

I'll stick with what I have thought the Texans need to do since they secured the #1 pick, they should trade down and get additional picks. This team has so many holes that it needs to fill to get to even a respectable level that it is almost a waste of a player and money to take anyone at #1.

 

[2112]

I'll stick with what I have thought the Texans need to do since they secured the #1 pick, they should trade down and get additional picks. This team has so many holes that it needs to fill to get to even a respectable level that it is almost a waste of a player and money to take anyone at #1.

what he said.

 

[rzrback77]

I'll stick with what I have thought the Texans need to do since they secured the #1 pick, they should trade down and get additional picks. This team has so many holes that it needs to fill to get to even a respectable level that it is almost a waste of a player and money to take anyone at #1.

what he said.

Being a good razorback, this is difficult for me to say, but I totally agree with the two Longhorns here....if at all possible, trade down to get OL help with additional picks at less $$$.

 

[womb]

It seems to me clear as day that the Texans will not trade the pick when the clock ticks 12. They will pick Bush and then look for offers after having traded Bush.

It is very likely that we will see a trade just like the Eli Manning trade and probably with that other NY team. For this to happen, Mario needs to be still on the board.

So, the Texans will be at a no loss situation. They will either grab Bush at 1.01 or Williams at like 1.04. If they trade before the draft, they do not secure the Williams pick, which is the deal clincher.

So, that trade will happen either at 1.03 - 1.05 range or it will never happen.

 

[3C's]

I'll stick with what I have thought the Texans need to do since they secured the #1 pick, they should trade down and get additional picks. This team has so many holes that it needs to fill to get to even a respectable level that it is almost a waste of a player and money to take anyone at #1.

what he said.

If the Jets were willing, they should trade down and take Brick at 4 and see what falls to them at 29 (safety/dline).

 

[BigRed]

I would trade, either before or after drafting Bush.

Re. the lawsuit, I'd bet the house that it's just some money-grubbing a-holes trying to get $ they don't deserve. Mario Wms needs to pay them a visit and sack them back into next week.

 

[Obie Wan]

On Friday, the Texans GM should sign even Williams or Bush to a contract.

Failure to sign their pick to a contract before the draft will result in an acrimonious holdout resulting in zero production in 2006, if not serious injury.

It is totally incompetent to not have the #1 pick signed before the draft.

 

[SuperJohn96]

They need to find a way to improve their O-line, not their RBs...

I'd rather have Davis and, say Brick, over a Bush/Davis RBBC...

All that talent on offense and no time to move the ball...

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I'll stick with what I have thought the Texans need to do since they secured the #1 pick, they should trade down and get additional picks. This team has so many holes that it needs to fill to get to even a respectable level that it is almost a waste of a player and money to take anyone at #1.

Muy bueno, mi amigo.

 

[aardball44]

Wow! More than 2-to-1 voters are opposed to the Texans drafting Bush #1?

Did not expect that.

 

[Hawk]

If I, Hawk, am the Texans GM, I draft Vince Young.

I play up Reggie and Mario like the have done, then tonight I call up Vince and his agent and say "we'll consider you, but only if we can cut a much better deal than we can cut with Reggie." Vince wants so badly to play in Houston, I'd end up with the best player at a cheap price while also making tons of current Texans fans happy and adding a few hundred thousand more new Texans fans.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Flawed. I'd take D'Brickshaw with the pick.

Of course I think Bush is WAY over-rated and Williams to be slightly over-rated.

 

[FBGPoker]

Wow! More than 2-to-1 voters are opposed to the Texans drafting Bush #1?

Did not expect that.

Expected, every DD owner will make a point to vote the scenerios where Bush doesn't go to the Texans.

 

[Tommy Collins]

Texans don't need a RB, they would be better off trading down a couple spots and taking Ferguson and using the extra picks to build up their lines and defense.

 

[P Boy]

Wow! More than 2-to-1 voters are opposed to the Texans drafting Bush #1?

Did not expect that.

Expected, every DD owner will make a point to vote the scenerios where Bush doesn't go to the Texans.

What?

You're serious? You think the results above are because of a bunch of Dominic Davis' owners' hopes?

 

[nygiants56]

With the latest on Bush really causing a swirl in the draft, what do you do as the Texans' GM tomorrow?

Take a chance on Bush, even though he wants huge money & he might be involved in pimping himself in college, because of his incredible potential?

Go with Mario Williams, who in a lot of other years would be the hands down #1 pick, with his complete skill set at DE?

Trade down to another team & let them sort out the mess, even if it means you might have to take a PR hit, to get more choices to improve a team that has a lot of holes to fill?

ugghh...not another 'who do you take if you're sitting at ( fill in draft pick # or team name here)________________________i'm not sure which applies to this thread, either the 'point to the shirt' image,

or :HONDA:

either way, we've played what-if's now for 2 months..couldn't you have just searched for a thread with this very topic and replied in that thread?!?!?!honda.honda.honda



it's people like you that make people like me drink..early..often...

 

[spOOfy]

I don't take Williams. I try to trade down. If I can't get any worthy offers for the #1, I take the best player in the draft - BUSH.

 

[coolnerd]

I'll stick with what I have thought the Texans need to do since they secured the #1 pick, they should trade down and get additional picks. This team has so many holes that it needs to fill to get to even a respectable level that it is almost a waste of a player and money to take anyone at #1.

From the purest of football standpoints, this my answer, but I have said since January that from a football standpoint not one of the team in the top 10 should trade up. It is easy for us to scream they should trade down, but when every team in a realistic tradedown range has some combination of poor overall talent, a new coaching regime, or recent cap troubles the chances were always less than normal that one of the teams near the top would gamble on Bush, give up a ton of draft choices and many millions more for the opportunity.Houston would love to trade down, as this the reason they have shuffled their feet on signing Bush to begin with. (Remember they commited to Carr like in February when he came out) . Maybe they get a last minute call that is offering more the switching position and 4th rounder, but they are stuck with the pick and will draft a freakishly athletic player (Bush or williams) where they already have a ton of money tied up in (DL is more out of whack than DomDavis' money).

Yeah, they were tanking for the right endure this headache.

 

[P Boy]

it's people like you that make people like me drink..early..often...

You're welcome.

 

[joffer]

hard to say "definitely trade down" without knowing what they could get. trading out is a good option depending on the deal, but between Bush and Williams, I'd take Bush every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[Limecuda]

If I, Hawk, am the Texans GM, I draft Vince Young.

I play up Reggie and Mario like the have done, then tonight I call up Vince and his agent and say "we'll consider you, but only if we can cut a much better deal than we can cut with Reggie." Vince wants so badly to play in Houston, I'd end up with the best player at a cheap price while also making tons of current Texans fans happy and adding a few hundred thousand more new Texans fans.

I like it too, but it won't happen.

 

[Dancing Bear]

The Texans need an O-Line and a totally new Defense.

Mario Williams helps part of this need.

They do not need Bush or any of the QB's of interest ...

 

[FBGPoker]

Wow! More than 2-to-1 voters are opposed to the Texans drafting Bush #1?

Did not expect that.

Expected, every DD owner will make a point to vote the scenerios where Bush doesn't go to the Texans.

What?

You're serious? You think the results above are because of a bunch of Dominic Davis' owners' hopes?

Yes, 100% the reason.Is it a coincidence that every reputable NFL source feels that Bush is head and shoulders the best player in the draft and should go #1, yet over half on this board think the Texans should draft someone else.

The Texans would be crazy to take anyone other than Bush, he will be a factor in helping them win more games than any other player in the draft.

 

[BoneYardDog]

Reggie Bush is the only pick the Texans better make...

Had they not extended Carr then Young would have been an option...

No way do they pick any defensive player over Reggie...

It would be franchise suicide...

 

[Verbal Kint]

The new coach thinks he can work with the existing line and develop a better blocking scheme (granted this may be coach-speak) But 2 years ago they seemed to be moving in the right direction until they changed to the zone blocking last year.

 

[GregR_2]

I'm surprised how many people are talking about trading down. It really isn't much of an option that is on the table because no one will trade up unless it is for Bush and Bush alone.

If a team wants any player other than who Houston is going to take, they can trade to #2 for less, and sign the player to a cheaper contract, than they would if they traded all the way up to #1.

I'd be happy if the Texans got good value to trade down, but I think it's extremely unlikely they can trade with anyone other than a team who wants Bush.

 

[FrostBite]

it's people like you that make people like me drink..early..often...

You're welcome.

 

[djcolts]

It is easy to say "trade down" - but what team would want the #1 pick at anywhere close to market value?

 

[FrostBite]

Reggie Bush is the only pick the Texans better make...

Had they not extended Carr then Young would have been an option...

No way do they pick any defensive player over Reggie...

It would be franchise suicide...

Ya cause defense never wins championships

 

[RonMexico]

from espn.com...

Even as Houston Texans officials continued to insist they have made no decision about the first selection in the draft, there were strong indications Friday afternoon that the team has redirected its focus to North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams.

Texans executives were in substantive negotiations with Ben Dogra, the representative for Williams, throughout the day. Conversely, ESPN.com learned that the agent for Southern California tailback and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush had not heard from the Texans, as of late Friday afternoon, in more than 24 hours.

The two sides spoke twice on Thursday, but only briefly, and made no progress toward an accord. During the week, progress was only incremental and one person close to the discussions termed them "a little bit like being in quicksand."

In addition, league sources told ESPN.com that, in terms of guaranteed money, the latest offer made to Williams exceeds the best proposal made to Bush.

Minus any conversations with the Bush camp since Thursday, there seemed little chance the Texans could strike a pre-draft accord with the draft's highest-profile performer even if they were to jump-start the negotiations on Friday evening.

Texans general manager Charley Casserly had cautioned earlier in the week that anyone concluding the team had decided on Bush, and was only using Williams as leverage, was mistaken. He reiterated that the Texans were serious about both players, negotiating with both agents, and that one of the two would be the top pick.

Dogra, however, was originally reluctant to enter into negotiations, because he felt that his client might be used to force Bush into a deal. Clearly, the Texans convinced him that was not the case.

Were the Texans to choose Williams, it would mark the first time since 2000 that a defensive player was the first prospect off the board. The Cleveland Browns chose defensive Courtney Brown with the first pick that year.

The choice of Williams by the Texans could also dramatically alter the landscape of the early segment of the first round. The New Orleans Saints, with the second choice, have indicated they would snap up Bush if he fell to their slot. But the Saints had hinted, in general, that they might entertain trade offers for their pick.

The availability of Bush at the No. 2 spot would almost certainly elicit trade offers.

 

[cowboyz]

i tell mario williams, i'll sign him for 20 mil or i'm drafting bush. why would he not go for it?

 

[Capt Hook]

Glad to see that the largest vote here proves that FBG are smarter than the Texans - they should trade down and thus improve the total ball club more - sigh - but they won't.

 

[mbuehner]

i tell mario williams, i'll sign him for 20 mil or i'm drafting bush. why would he not go for it?

Because if Bush kicks off the cascade with a 30 million dollar bonus, Williams stands to make more than 20 getting drafted #2. Ronnie Brown made 20 million guarunteed at the #2 last year, Williams can expect a bit more than that at worst. He's in a great place, no matter what happens. Im shocked at the loss in confidence of Reggie Bush. What does all this nonsense have to do with how well he runs and catches a football? Are the NCAA library police going to show up and make him take home ec again over the summer? Dude's the best talent in the draft by far, you take him and dont look back. That 30 million ought to keep his family out of petty court for a while.

 

[Buckna]

Glad to see that the largest vote here proves that FBG are smarter than the Texans - they should trade down and thus improve the total ball club more - sigh - but they won't.

SIGH...http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...dpost&p=4726693

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...dpost&p=4725043

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Wow! More than 2-to-1 voters are opposed to the Texans drafting Bush #1?

Did not expect that.

Expected, every DD owner will make a point to vote the scenerios where Bush doesn't go to the Texans.

What?

You're serious? You think the results above are because of a bunch of Dominic Davis' owners' hopes?

Yes, 100% the reason.Is it a coincidence that every reputable NFL source feels that Bush is head and shoulders the best player in the draft and should go #1, yet over half on this board think the Texans should draft someone else.

The Texans would be crazy to take anyone other than Bush, he will be a factor in helping them win more games than any other player in the draft.

News to me...

 

[P Boy]

Is it a coincidence that every reputable NFL source feels that Bush is head and shoulders the best player in the draft and should go #1, yet over half on this board think the Texans should draft someone else.

Really? And I've heard several reports that a significant numbers of NFL teams have Williams over Bush on their draft boards.I dispute your claim. NFL teams don't approach the draft like FF owners.

 

[FrostBite]

Is it a coincidence that every reputable NFL source feels that Bush is head and shoulders the best player in the draft and should go #1, yet over half on this board think the Texans should draft someone else.

Really? And I've heard several reports that a significant numbers of NFL teams have Williams over Bush on their draft boards.I dispute your claim. NFL teams don't approach the draft like FF owners.

The San Diego Chargers are a great example of a team benefiting from a trade down. When people vote for the Texans to trade down, they realize that there's more talent out there than just the #1 player in the draft. Especially when the #1 is going to cost them their left nut.edit:

oh and for the record, I don't own DD in any league and I voted to trade.

 

[Obie Wan]

On Friday, the Texans GM should sign even Williams or Bush to a contract.

Failure to sign their pick to a contract before the draft will result in an acrimonious holdout resulting in zero production in 2006, if not serious injury.

It is totally incompetent to not have the #1 pick signed before the draft.

Houston did the right thing.NO should be burning the midnight oil to trade or sign their pick before the draft.

 

[cowboyz]

i tell mario williams, i'll sign him for 20 mil or i'm drafting bush. why would he not go for it?