Zach Miller (SEA) What does Flynn do for his value? (1 Viewer)

[jacobo_moses]

So with Matt Flynn in SEA. Does this help Zach Miller TE much at all. Or will we still see him barely used in SEA again like last season?

 

[ExaltedOne]

This has less to do with Flynn and more to do with playcalling.

 

[FavreCo]

This has less to do with Flynn and more to do with playcalling.

I thought I read that Carroll didn't use the TE much in his last stint as HC.

 

[jacobo_moses]

So what your saying is Zach Miller is hopeless to have any chance at Fantasy value again? Boy just what I wanted to hear.

 

[TheWick]

I wouldn't count on him to be a fantasy starter ever again.

 

[jacobo_moses]

I just hope this is true. FBG staff posted this at end of January

Our view: The Seahawks have every incentive to use Miller as a receiver in addition to a blocker, but they will need Russell Okung and James Carpenter to stay healthy to keep him from being marooned at the line of scrimmage as a blocker.

 

[happy_donut]

I thought he was held in to block last year because of OL problems. If the OL improves wouldn't that translate into more opportunities for a guy like Z. Miller?

 

[Sweet Love]

I thought he was held in to block last year because of OL problems. If the OL improves wouldn't that translate into more opportunities for a guy like Z. Miller?

Thing is, they are dying for another playmaker at TE. Not that they need one, but the second anyone with a set of hands (Tamme, Dreesen) is available, SEA in in talks. While that would be fine with a philosophy like the Pats have, the Hawks barely used any TE last year.

 

[jacobo_moses]

happy_donut one would think 2+2= 4 but with Carroll as the coach who knows. I can't figure the guy out.

I just don't get why you would fork out a huge salary a guy you barely use in the REC game. And somewhat in the blocking.

 

[happy_donut]

happy_donut one would think 2+2= 4 but with Carroll as the coach who knows. I can't figure the guy out. I just don't get why you would fork out a huge salary a guy you barely use in the REC game. And somewhat in the blocking.

Ok, I read this as an interesting last round pick in redraft and a hold in dynasty if you've got the bench and/or TE reward league. Easily dropable for the flavor of the week WW pickup. Could also be seen as the flavor of the week WW pickup.Low risk/Possible High reward player? Someone to watch and be aware of but not count on.

 

[The High Priest]

Last year he had a few concussions so I think that ######ed his groth in the passing game.since cable was his coache before I think he was familiar with the blocking scheame more. I expect more out of the passing game with him this year.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Re: farveco

Carroll is a former dc and has very little to do with the offense. It was really more about the offensive line and playing to the strength of tjax. You could not have been more wrong.

 

[jacobo_moses]

Well I just hope the OC in SEA pulls his head out of his #*$% and uses Zach Miller the way he should be used. I mean that guy was a beast in OAK. And its not like Jason Campbell or any QB in OAK was Drew Brees or Tom Brady throwing to him. I mean come on.

 

[Shutout]

Flynn seemed to use Finley well in his brief sample size so I guess if the Hawks have an offense, he could be useful.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I don't know if I would call miller a beast in oak. He was good..... I would guess he is around 50 receptions this year.

 

[biju]

happy_donut one would think 2+2= 4 but with Carroll as the coach who knows. I can't figure the guy out. I just don't get why you would fork out a huge salary a guy you barely use in the REC game. And somewhat in the blocking.

This wasn't an issue with the playcalling, the offensive scheme or Carroll in any way (I have no idea why people hate Pete Carroll so much--the USC thing really rubbed everyone so wrong?). This was purely because Seattle had the youngest O-line in the league last year and needed him to stay in to block. Later in the year when the line started looking good two things happened: first was a pretty dirty "defenseless player" hit on Miller, the second was the injuries of the LT, RG and RT all within about two weeks.I'm buying Miller where I can.

 

[cstu]

I don't know if I would call miller a beast in oak. He was good..... I would guess he is around 50 receptions this year.

I wouldn't call him a beast either but he did lead the Raiders in receptions three years in a row. Shows he's capable a lot more than he did last year.

 

[pghrob]

If Miller is available to roster he is great stash to wait and see. He was on my ww this morning. I picked Dressen off ww yesterday before Tamme signing. I have Orange Julius Thomas fermenting so I thought Dressen was good pick up while waiting for OJ. That changed with Tamme signing. So I dropped Dressen and picked up Zach Miller. Miller is a highly invested and proven TE for hawks. They upgraded at QB and there is no other TE on roster who will be ahead of Miller on depth chart. He represents great fantasy value as a ww pickup.

 

[jacobo_moses]

I just hope that Matt Flynn realizes what a great target he has in Zach Miller and fires away. (Here is a wishful Dynasty Zach Miller owner hoping)

 

[KellysHeroes]

This has less to do with Flynn and more to do with playcalling.

I thought I read that Carroll didn't use the TE much in his last stint as HC.

Last yr they had Carlson on the roster with both Boss and Miller available along with some other lower tier TEs. If there wasn't a plan in place to use Miller's skills then why pay him all that money last yr ($35 mil) when blocking TEs are so much cheaper?

 

[ZWK]

I'm not quite sure what happened to Miller. In Oakland he was one of the most consistent tight ends in the NFL, despite having guys like JaMarcus Russell and Bruce Gradkowski throwing the ball. He averaged 49 yards/game (2008-2010), 7th best among all tight ends during that time period. In Seattle he disappeared, and went for only 25/233/0 in 15 games.

What happened? Is he not seeing the field as much? Staying in to block more? Not being thrown the ball when he does go out for routes? Catching fewer of the passes that are thrown his way? Running shorter routes? Getting less yards after the catch?

The answer, unfortunately, seems to be "yes" to every single one of those questions. Pro Football Focus keeps data on snaps, targets, yards after catch, and so on, and on every one of those measures this was Miller's worst season (excluding his 2007 rookie year, which they don't have data for). The biggest change seems to be that he's not being thrown the ball as often - he's being targeted about half as often when he does run pass routes - but all of the other factors are also contributing.

In Oakland (2008-2010), Miller was on the field for 94% of his team's pass plays (in games he played), in Seattle it's only 83%.

In Oakland, Miller went out for a route (rather than staying in to block) on 81% of the pass plays that he was in for, in Seattle it's only 75%.

In Oakland, Miller was targeted on 21% of his pass routes, in Seattle it's only 11%.

In Oakland, Miller caught 69% of his targets, in Seattle it's only 64%.

In Oakland, Miller's average catch came 7.2 yards downfield, in Seattle it's only 5.8 yards.

In Oakland, Miller averaged 5.3 yards-after-catch per reception, in Seattle it's only 3.6 yards.

Put it all together, and in Oakland Miller averaged 1.5 yards per Raiders passing play, in Seattle it's only 0.5 yards.

In other terms, in Oakland Miller averaged 5.6 targets per game and 8.6 yards per target for 49 yards per game. In Seattle it's only 2.6 targets per game and 6.0 yards per target for 15 yards per game.

 

[The High Priest]

I still feel it s due to:

1.No offseason workouts(lockout)

2.O-line jelling and he knows Cables scheme

3 Him having serious concussion, mid season..missing 2 games.

I like the thought of most looking over him I think he will rebound this year.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm not quite sure what happened to Miller. In Oakland he was one of the most consistent tight ends in the NFL, despite having guys like JaMarcus Russell and Bruce Gradkowski throwing the ball. He averaged 49 yards/game (2008-2010), 7th best among all tight ends during that time period. In Seattle he disappeared, and went for only 25/233/0 in 15 games.

What happened? Is he not seeing the field as much? Staying in to block more? Not being thrown the ball when he does go out for routes? Catching fewer of the passes that are thrown his way? Running shorter routes? Getting less yards after the catch?

The answer, unfortunately, seems to be "yes" to every single one of those questions. Pro Football Focus keeps data on snaps, targets, yards after catch, and so on, and on every one of those measures this was Miller's worst season (excluding his 2007 rookie year, which they don't have data for). The biggest change seems to be that he's not being thrown the ball as often - he's being targeted about half as often when he does run pass routes - but all of the other factors are also contributing.

Those stats are great but the bottom line is they needed to keep him into block, and TJax is horrible throwing in the middle of the field.

 

[finito]

I like him as a buy low; he wasn't signed to stay in and block, he was signed to help in the receiving game as well. They could have brought any number of guys in to simply block. If the O-line is healthy and with Flynn starting I could easily see him jumping back into relevance.

 

[Zimm]

This has less to do with Flynn and more to do with playcalling.

Carroll uses TE's to block/decoy which makes no sense with how talented he is.

 

[Tony Soprano]

happy_donut one would think 2+2= 4 but with Carroll as the coach who knows. I can't figure the guy out. I just don't get why you would fork out a huge salary a guy you barely use in the REC game. And somewhat in the blocking.

This wasn't an issue with the playcalling, the offensive scheme or Carroll in any way (I have no idea why people hate Pete Carroll so much--the USC thing really rubbed everyone so wrong?). This was purely because Seattle had the youngest O-line in the league last year and needed him to stay in to block. Later in the year when the line started looking good two things happened: first was a pretty dirty "defenseless player" hit on Miller, the second was the injuries of the LT, RG and RT all within about two weeks.I'm buying Miller where I can.

 

[Hoot&HoLLer]

Not many solid or reliable pass catchers on the team. If offensive line stabilizes, Miller should have a much improved season.

 

[cstu]

This has less to do with Flynn and more to do with playcalling.

Carroll uses TE's to block/decoy which makes no sense with how talented he is.

Until the playoffs - more than 1/3 of his season's production in one game.