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**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (7 Viewers)
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Sorry if this is pointing out the obvious but the girl in the Others that helped Claire escape and was nice to Michael when he was captured....thats Rosseau's child, right?
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
agreed...one of my favorite characters during the first episodes.His character really took a turn for the worse. From the badass outdoorsman who knew how to do everything, to a pathetic gullible sap. :(I did mean to say dummy. No other word can describe him better.I could stand on the Golden Gate Bridge with locke and tell him I have a magic nickel with mystical powers. Then I could toss it off the side, and I'm certain he'd scream like a woman and then fall over the side in hot pursuit.
I hope he dies.
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
My problem with Alex (Rousseau's Girl) is that she was supposedly taken very shortly after birth. That would mean that she has spent her entire life with The Others. Yet, she tells Claire (I think?) that "They're not who they say they are". How would she possibly know this, if the had been with them her entire life?
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Because she sees them pretending.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Was she just referencing the beard and fake names?
I still don't understand the point of doing that unless one of the Losties has had a past with Zeke and Zeke doesn't want him to recognize him.
I still don't understand the point of doing that unless one of the Losties has had a past with Zeke and Zeke doesn't want him to recognize him.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
In the Episode "the Other 48 Days" Ana Lucia asks Goodwin why she wasn't on the list and he responds with something like "You aren't good enough." Is it possible that the Others are actually some morality police and are saving the children and the innocent people while letting the "bad people" eventually die?
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
But if you spent your ENTIRE life around it, and never lived any differently, wouldn't that just seem "normal" to you?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I have the DVD and just went back and I don't see it at all.
If I spent my entire life around people and then they started wearing fake beards and wearing crappy clothes when they talked to strangers, I think I would figure it out.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
It was actually Brazilian Portuguese.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
magic numbers?Seriously I think they're going to have to end up explaining a lot of things as "fate", which might be a bit disappointing.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Isn't it possible that Rosseau used more than one type of trap and changed methods frequently?Caught or caught out?I think he meant to be found in the net by the survivors. I don't think he expected his cover story to be blown. If Kate and company have figured out that dolls = trap, don't you think the others have?I don't think he's incompetent or a moron, but I also don't think he meant to get caught. I think he did the best he could after he got caught.Doesn't matter anyway - he's free and he's the apparent leader of the Others.So you are saying his great plan was to drive a wedge between Jack and Locke for a few days before they caught on to his plan, found out he was a fake, and thus the wedge vanished, and then for Sayid to decide to shoot and kill him but of course he knew someone would hit Sayid's arm and prevent it at the last moment? Great plan.
Henry is a moron.
Brewdude
Footballguy
I can say with confidence, no. I grew up with parents I knew were living two lives: one they wanted people to believe and the real way they were, which was usually only shown in the home. I knew it was wrong and gave warnings very similar to Alex's.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
But you also saw the outside world, had access to see how other people lived, etc. Alex would not have had that (that we know of).
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
that would be awesome if they pulled it off right.
I still think you could tell that they were not being who they said they were. Why you would tell an outsider, I am not sure. But, she did.
I think the first 7 episodes will include the "kidnapped" Lost characters with the Others. At least that is what the commercials for this season look like.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Pretty sure Ethan tried to kill Charlie but was unsuccessful.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
And one character(Kate I think) even asked "Why would they even have a pregnancy test on a plane?"
Capella
Footballguy
Yea, pretty unlikely they go 7 full episodes without the stars of the show. ABC would probably step in then.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Just to give an analogy from another work.(Spoilers from the movie The Usual Suspects below)In the Usual Suspects, Kaiser Soze didn't have to go through all that himself- he could've just sent someone else. But he didn't trust anyone else to do it right.Because non of them are the master manipulator that Henry is.catching up on thediscussion ...For those who became embroiled in the Henry is the Leader debate, if he was the head honcho W(hy)TF would he be strolling in the woods alone and get captured in a lame French Chick net? If the theory is Henry was captured on purpose because they wanted a plant, why not use a more dispensible member?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I must have missed this part....I heard Henry's comments about Walt on the dock, but I don't remember hearing anything else about Walt having powers. What did I miss?
Sinrj
Footballguy
In "the other 48 days" I think Goodwin killed someone too.
Statorama
gangster
The Others said Walt was a very special boy, but nothing overt about "powers".Some things have been alluded to on the show, allowing you to make your own conclusions. When Walt reads a comic book about Polar Bears, suddenly a Polar Bear appears on the island. Another time, Walt asked Michael to help him find Vincent during a rainstorm. When Michael said he'd help him once the rain stopped....the rain stopped.In the first season, Michael and Walt had a conversation and Walt says weird things happen when he's around.My guess is that Michael and Walt don't leave, and put together the rescue party for the three in captivity.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
what does everyone think of the "complains" I copied and pasted in post 8749?
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
I think the guy is a tool. If you want to, you can find things to complain about in anything. All he's doing is killing his own enjoyment. And some of the stuff that he claims he called (figuring out that Desmond crashed the plane way back in the season premiere) is complete BS. He is making claims in hindsight, and nothing more.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I thought they were excellent. I agree with a lot of them.
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
On a side note, is anyone interested in working on a Lost "Wiki" style site? A buddy of mine is looking to get one started (and yes, I know they're out there...talk to him, not me.) and is looking for people that are as obsessed by the show as he is. I fit this category perfectly, and it seems that this board has its fair share, as well.
PM if you're interested, and we'll talk about what is in mind for the site.
PM if you're interested, and we'll talk about what is in mind for the site.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
What do you mean "in hindsight?" In the chronology of the story, Desmond should have known he crashed the plane. It's just that the writers hadn't figured out the chronology at the time we met Desmond. That's a writing flaw.
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
To quote this guy
I call BS that he guessed it in the season premiere. In the season premiere, we had NO knowledge of what would happen if the button wasn't pushed.
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Oh, I see what you're getting at. Still, it's bad writing. They should have all the important details of the story already worked out.
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
Well, based on what you say, you agree that Desmond should have known that he crashed the plane. Well, I challenge you to go back and watch the first episodes of Season 2, and tell me at what point ANY of the Losties tell Desmond WHEN they crashed. They tell them THAT they crashed, but that's it. I would think that in Desmond's emotional state, its VERY possible that he didn't put 2 and 2 together, at the time.To further quote this guy:
Do you think it could have had anything to do with the huge explosion that occurred just before the people showed up? The explosion that was strong enough to knock the needle off his record...Along with the fact that he was likely expecting ONE person...not 2-3.Furthermore...
I don't see this as "neutralizing" the danger. I see this as a suicide way out. When you can't take it anymore, you use the key...knowing that you're going to die when you use it. Obviously, this is likely not the case, but its what was assumed about the key. I don't know about you guys, but I saw no indication that this was a failsafe that would neutralize the danger, safely. To say that this was even IMPLIED is ridiculous because someone would have used it right away, instead of pushing the button all the time.And more...
Again, take a look at Desmond's emotional state during this time. Do you really believe that he was telling everything accurately...or if he even cared if he had his story accurate? Or do you think that maybe he just wanted to get Jack off his back, so he could get the heck out of there. Heck he lied to the losties about Calvin: "Calvin died waiting for his replacements." Ever think maybe he was just lying?And, on a side note...the guy that wrote this likes to say that the writing was "Sloppy, and inconsistent". Well, that quote from Desmond actually happens in "Orientation", not in "Man of Science, Man of Faith". I would say THAT is "sloppy and inconsistent".
And one more, just for fun
As I recall, they were not done exploring down there, and they heard noises, and abandoned their search to go investigate the sound (which turned out to be Kate taking a shower). That is the last I remember anyone going down there.So, after reading some of my retorts, can you see why I think the guy is a tool that is simply LOOKING for something to complain about?
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Sure, he's probably a tool, but I think many of his criticisms are absolutely right. I'm not particularly persuaded by your counterarguments. For example, if the losties never told Desmond when they crashed, why was the printout info important? And what else would Desmond have thought the key would do?And why wouldn't they have explored the "failsafe" area at any time in the weeks they were in the hatch?
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
He finally put two and two together, and ASKED when they crashed.He found Calvin down there talking about turning the key. Calvin said that he couldn't do it. He asked Desmond if he had the courage to pull his finger out of the dam and blow the whole thing up. I'd say that's a pretty good reason to think that it wasn't a "failsafe"
As for the last part, I can not give a definitive answer to. The only thing I can offer is that John likely talked to Sayid about what was down there, and for the most part, it only looked like a crawlspace/wiring area, and didn't look important. But, as I said, there's nothing I can point to, specifically.
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fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
But wasn't that scene a flashback in the same episode that they used the key? The guy is criticizing the authors for introducing this key when it was obvious they had never contemplated its existence earlier. Nothing you've posted contradicts that point.
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
Sure it does. DESMOND knew about the key. Was he prepared to blow himself up (as he thought would happen), when there was a chance that he could get far enough away from the hatch before the timer hit zero? At this point in the story, I'd say no. By the finale, when he had tried to get away from the island, but couldn't...he was ready to die, I think.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I still don't get it. He thinks that he's gonna die whether he turns the key or not? Then why bother?
Angry Cheesehead
Compulsive Gambler
Have you seen the preview for the movie Flyboys? Its about WWII era pilots. One soldier says to another something along the lines of, "If you're hit, you can burn wth it all the way to the ground, you can jump from several thousand feet up, or *he hands him a pistol*, you can take the quick and painless way out.I would equate it to this. He figures that blowing himself up is probably quicker and less painful then letting this electromagnetic field take over and slowly collapse the place on itself.
I agree with you Dorvaan. It wasn't like Desmond was with the Losties for 40 days. They had a couple quick conversations before the computer got shot and he bailed. As we learned at the end, he lied about killing Kelvin, so is it a stretch to think he lied a little about how he came to the hatch or just didn't really remember all the details correctly.That complaint post is kind of silly, trying to piece together a bunch of inconsistencies, but his own stories don't seem right to me. The quote that got me was this (not his but obviously one he agreed with and put in):Dorvaan said:
To me it seems like this guy, like many others had his own "theory" that everyone on flight 815 was "chosen" to be there as part of some grand scheme. When his grand theory was wrong, he just got pissed off and thought the show wasn't as good as when it seemed mystical. I love the show and hope it continues to be good. I personally liked Desmond coming back and it was easy for me to comprehend him acting differently in the finale because he had just spent a couple weeks trying to get off the island and realized it was useless. His view of the world became "who cares, were screwed" until he got a dose of heroism and tried to save everyone. I also like the Penelope angle because I think it will be pretty cool to see the view point of people off the island trying to find it and to maybe see how the whole thing started.
(HULK)
(Smash)
About this complaining guy and Desmond.
He's overlooking the obvious. When we first meet Desmond, he's running on 40 days with no REM sleep. Every 108 minutes he's had to push that button. Of course he's easily confused. Of course he's half crazy. Any of us would be in that same situation.
I am a total Lost nerd, and I think that complaining guy needs to find a better way to waste his time.
He's overlooking the obvious. When we first meet Desmond, he's running on 40 days with no REM sleep. Every 108 minutes he's had to push that button. Of course he's easily confused. Of course he's half crazy. Any of us would be in that same situation.
I am a total Lost nerd, and I think that complaining guy needs to find a better way to waste his time.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
there were 5 complains, not just 1.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
LOST
What if the real main character of the show is Desmond and the whole idea of the show is to find him? We have been led to believe the show is about the Losties from the plane but we have no idea if people are looking for them yet. It appears to me that the Others did not know anything about Desmond so they have no beef with the guy.
It would be an interesting twist to a great show if the show was not as much about the Losties and the Others and instead revolves more around Desmond and what the corporation has done.
Bold Prediction - The Others and the Losties are essentially in the same boat and them trying to fight each other is nothing more than an experiment gone bad and a plane accident gone awry. The real story revolves around Desmond.
What if the real main character of the show is Desmond and the whole idea of the show is to find him? We have been led to believe the show is about the Losties from the plane but we have no idea if people are looking for them yet. It appears to me that the Others did not know anything about Desmond so they have no beef with the guy.
It would be an interesting twist to a great show if the show was not as much about the Losties and the Others and instead revolves more around Desmond and what the corporation has done.
Bold Prediction - The Others and the Losties are essentially in the same boat and them trying to fight each other is nothing more than an experiment gone bad and a plane accident gone awry. The real story revolves around Desmond.
Super, who cares? Are you going to keep bumping the thread for some Lost nerd who is disappointed that the Losties weren't chosen by some mastermind who had been tracking their every movement?OK, here are my comments about the rest of his complaints seeing as the first one just doesn't have much merit at all:#2 - Bad flashbacks. Gee, I guess he is correct, it would be good for every episode to be edge of your seat thrill ride. They should put this guy in as head of a studio so we wouldn't get anymore summer movie flops.#3 - They killed Boone, Shannon and Anna-Lucia. Other than Boone I think it is easy to realize that this guy will have to find a new show to pleasure himself to now. Oh well, tell him to stop being cheap and ask his mom to get Cinemax.#4 - He doesn't like the twist with Desmond in the hatch. He says it isn't surprising, yet he wanted more foreshadowing. He says it would have been more shocking if they introduced Desmond in season 1, kind of like the Sixth Sense being more suprising if his wife said "why did my husband have to die" in the first few minutes at the restaurant. That sure would be more surprising. All it seems like to me is this guy is trying to toot his own horn for "calling" every twist in season 2. Almost like that weird jwcdwfdwfdvcww guy bumping useless old threads.#5 - Couldn't figure out what was the guy's, or 25 year old still living at home without Cinemax, point, except that he doesn't like poker. Not sure why you keep bumping it since poker is your thing.Is that enough discussion? Let's just enjoy the fact that the long wait is just about over, until the couple month hiatus of course and get back to the clone/pergutory theories instead of all the #####ing.Assani Fisher said:
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Not sure about that, but I do think that the Desmond thread will last a while. They will at some point spend some time on the island/Dharma backstory and I think the introduction of Penelope, Widmore's daughter, will be the start of that.I still think the goings on at the island will be the mainstay, but to be honest, I have no idea where they are taking thhe Others/Losties. I think it is a pretty safe bet that 2 of the 3 or 3 of the 3 captured will make it back to the camp, but I can't tell if the Others will jump ship after being discovered or if it will devolve into a tribal war type thing. It seemed to me from that long dock and Henry knowing how to get off the island that the Others could leave at any point. Maybe I am wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me if after part 1 of season 3 that we don't see the Others for a while and see more of the off-island stuff and more exploring of all of the other hatches/experiments.Psychology Kev said:
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
lol at fans that can't even fathom criticism of their favorite show. Lost is currently my #2 show only to the Office. Yet I can still admit that this guy made a well thought out series of posts and deserves some respect. Your analogy with the Sixth Sense is just silly- he clearly explained in his post how it was bad writing to not foreshadow at all. The Sixth Sense had a ton of foreshadowing. You can still love something and wish it to be better at the same time, you know?
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