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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I think this looks like a good time, but I doubt the wife would like it. May be a few years before I go.
glvsav37
Footballguy
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
There’s no way the vast majority of people are doing this, right? RIGHT!? That’s insane amounts of money.
Goodness. I know Disney kind of needed to do even more about the crowds, but they are really going to end up making Disney impossible for the average family.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Wow. Goes along with my last post. $1,200 per person per night is ridiculously expensive. But it looks like one of the things it gets you is guaranteed spots on RotR and Smuggler’s Run which means even fewer spots for the average park goer.
I have a feeling of Disney keeps moving this direction, it’s going to be mainly the wealthy who go to Disney at exorbitant prices. Which may end up bringing in the same or more money for Disney parks in the short run, but I’m not sure what that does for the brand in the long run.
Rather than try to cut park attendance by increasing prices and nickel and dimming, opening more parks or expanding the ones they have seem like the smarter long term play IMO. If your parks are too full, expand your capacity.
glvsav37
Footballguy
Imagineer Zach Riddley just shared a post of him inside the new Epcot Space 220 restaurant...and good news, it is opening in mid-September!!!
In The Zone
Footballguy
That looks pretty darn cool. I'm sure the final bill isn't so cool but what an experience.glvsav37 said:
glvsav37
Footballguy
AcerFC
Footballguy
Really fun few days here in So Cal. If anyone is coming to DL soon and needs anything answered, just let me know.
oh, and I came home with an Iron Man Infinity Gauntlet drink holder. My 14 year old daughter is embarrassed by me. It doesn’t get any better gents.
https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2021/06/04/the-only-way-well-drink-soda-is-out-of-an-infinity-gauntlet-now-thank-you-disneys-avengers-campus/
oh, and I came home with an Iron Man Infinity Gauntlet drink holder. My 14 year old daughter is embarrassed by me. It doesn’t get any better gents.
https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2021/06/04/the-only-way-well-drink-soda-is-out-of-an-infinity-gauntlet-now-thank-you-disneys-avengers-campus/
AAABatteries
Footballguy
glvsav37
Footballguy
I'm not ruling it out, but i'm also taking a wait and see approach. I think there is going to be a huge swell of hype for a year or so. Then after everyone with the disposable income, and comped vloggers start putting out content and videos, there will be some who "want to" decide "meh, its not worth it". After the demand dies down, the price will drop and there will be promotions just like every other hotel/cruise.
I think the key to this keeping a high price tag is to have the experience/story constantly changing. Not all the hard to do if you are tracking guests digitally. So a family gets the X1 experience on their first trip, then gets the X2 story on their 2nd. The challenge will be publicizing that hard enough to get people to want to spend that same money over and over again.
glvsav37
Footballguy
Disney is taking original content to the MyDisneyExperince App with the launch of "Designing Disney Parks" series that goes behind the scenes of the planning and building of WDW.
That one guy
Footballguy
Disney Quest was the best! Got kicked out once with some friends because we drunkenly got somewhat rowdy on the virtual whitewater rafting game, singing Coolio’s Fantastic Voyage and “falling” overboard
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Saw Jungle Cruise with my daughter this past weekend. Pretty good, we both enjoyed it quite a bit.
The Rock with his hokey puns (reminiscent of the skippers on the ride) was money
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The Rock with his hokey puns (reminiscent of the skippers on the ride) was money
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I've only watched two episodes and love the content but the woman narrator continually interrupting the Imagineers is extremely annoying. It is so bad I'm not sure I can stomach another.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree. DisneyQuest wasn't perfect but I liked the concept and they could have improved on it. I'm not sure what they're going to do with it but I think a laser tag type of game where a group is pitted against Disney Villians would be cool.
Osaurus
Footballguy
glvsav37
Footballguy
Its that new style of documentary trying really hard not to be a documentary. They throw in these jump cuts and one liners to make it more "fun" but I agree, it gets a bit annoying. Its based on those VH1, E! channel Sunday Afternoon "Top 10 Pop-Culture Whatever" shows with the B-list celebs and unknown comics making bad jokes.
Osaurus
Footballguy
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
The Genie program was unveiled today: Genie program
Spoiler alert, you'll have to open up your wallet (even more). I know, I'm as shocked as the rest of you......
Spoiler alert, you'll have to open up your wallet (even more). I know, I'm as shocked as the rest of you......
AcerFC
Footballguy
Yeah, but I paid the money at DL the last time and it was worth the money. $15 a ticket per day for us is $60. That is one ride on Buzz Lightyear in Paris. I’ll take that. The virtual ques are so great. This seems like a virtual que all day. I’m good with that
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'm going to pay too, because I'm a sucker, but sooner or later a line will have to be drawn in the sand.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
The biggest problem appears to be that not all rides will be available in Genie +. You'll have to pay more for the E-Ticket Rides.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Yeah, I they specifically said rides like Mine Train and Smugglers Run are in that tier.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Except it only gets you one ride pass at a time and if you want a tier 1 ride you have to pay even more for the lightning pass.
I’m sure my family will pay for Genie+ for our November trip, but it’s definitely frustrating to essentially be paying for something that was basically free before. I guess the real question is how much line time will you actually be able to cut off with Genie+?
AcerFC
Footballguy
That is how it was in DL also. One at a time but you just constantly went from one ride to the next according to what was available and around you. It worked great.
Capella
Footballguy
it’s one ride at a time but you can keep going back to the well right? Like if you want to ride space mountain 7 times or whatever? In the past, we had a hard time finding good rides since we weren’t staying on property.
I understand ride of the resistance and many others won’t be on this but overall it sounds like a positive to me. But I get why people would be upset.
AcerFC
Footballguy
I know fast pass was a free thing BUT, Universal and many other amusement parks charge for the service. Seems reasonable for Disney to do the same. Plus DL has already been doing it for years. They had an all day photo pass included in it though. Wonder if that will stay for DL
glvsav37
Footballguy
So basically we are paying for the old paper fastpass system?
I'm interested in seeing how its managed? I'm not a rope drop guy, and normally we don't go to the parks after 3-4pm. IDK if I'll even be able to use this b/c I'm not paying $15/pp to log on and see that the only "lightning Lane" ride left is Small World.
As for the higher tier service, I can see them throttling down the available Genie+ opportunities and giving you the old "Sorry folks, this ride is sold out, but you can get on for $XX more/pp right now"
I would also venture to guess that certain attractions will not even be available on the Genie+ side and only available on the top upgraded side. So its either pay XX more of stand in line.
One interesting thing I noticed was the dining reservations. Seems table service dining is available to be booked same day? Are they eliminating the 60/180 day ADRs?
I'm interested in seeing how its managed? I'm not a rope drop guy, and normally we don't go to the parks after 3-4pm. IDK if I'll even be able to use this b/c I'm not paying $15/pp to log on and see that the only "lightning Lane" ride left is Small World.
As for the higher tier service, I can see them throttling down the available Genie+ opportunities and giving you the old "Sorry folks, this ride is sold out, but you can get on for $XX more/pp right now"
I would also venture to guess that certain attractions will not even be available on the Genie+ side and only available on the top upgraded side. So its either pay XX more of stand in line.
One interesting thing I noticed was the dining reservations. Seems table service dining is available to be booked same day? Are they eliminating the 60/180 day ADRs?
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jm192
Footballguy
This.
We went to Universal and Disney back in May--first time for each park for both of us. And man, the fast pass was such an absolute game changer. Well worth the coin.
In May, there was no fast pass lane. We were talking about how it would be great if Disney gave us the same option as Universal. I'm sure a lot of people would use it and it wouldn't be as through and through as Universal--but overall I think it's a net positive for sure.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Pulled the plug about a week ago on trip to Disneyland at the end of August/early Sept. Was hoping to make it an end of pandemnic surprise for the kids but with unvaccinated kids and Delta just don't feel comfortable at a crowded place like Disney and flights, etc.
Only good thing about it was since it was a surprise didn't have to break the bad news to the kids. Think we try this trip next year. Replaced it with a family road trip to Maine and a rented cabin. Not the same but should be fun.
Only good thing about it was since it was a surprise didn't have to break the bad news to the kids. Think we try this trip next year. Replaced it with a family road trip to Maine and a rented cabin. Not the same but should be fun.
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jb1020
Footballguy
I'm firmly in the camp of "wow thats not nearly what I thought it would cost, but I have to see how this shakes out."
I loved Maxpass at DL. I love virtual queues. But I can totally see hitting the park at noon and you can ride something like the tea cups in 20 minutes, or space mt is available at 4pm. So you lock up your time to ride space at 4pm. Then you get off Space and go to make your next selection. Small World and Tea Cups are still 15 minutes out...but you want to ride Tron and you can't board until 9:45pm.
I loved Maxpass at DL. I love virtual queues. But I can totally see hitting the park at noon and you can ride something like the tea cups in 20 minutes, or space mt is available at 4pm. So you lock up your time to ride space at 4pm. Then you get off Space and go to make your next selection. Small World and Tea Cups are still 15 minutes out...but you want to ride Tron and you can't board until 9:45pm.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
The biggest problem, will be how many people use it. When we went to DL in 19, we got the Maxpass (similar to Genie +). It was great. We'd book a ride time slot....go thru the Fastpass Lane...ride it and then get off and book the next time slot. There'd be people we'd lap in the standby line. It only worked this way because it was my understanding that since DL still had the paper Fastpass AND there were a lot of locals who visited.....not as many people would buy it. I'd imagine DW is/will be a whole different animal.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Yeah, everyone is going to buy this if going to DW. I would of course pay the extra since I am flying down there for a vacation given how much the whole trip would cost this increase would be a drop in the pocker (even if a really annoying drop).
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Yeah. 15 per person per day will add a little bit to the vacation.....but it's not a dealbreaker for us. It won't be good optics for the experience (particularly for those who have been there prior to this) if, because 80% of the people buy it....you actually get less Fastpasses than the previous version.
I'd hope they A) don't make you buy it for the whole trip...let you pick and choose days and B) don't allow people to start booking until their ticket is scanned at the Gate.
AcerFC
Footballguy
That is how it worked in DL. You get scanned at the gate, purchase the Fastpass + and boom, start scheduling. There is an aspect of strategy to decide to drop an earlier time for a bigger ride at a later time. Will be interesting for sure.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Going in mid-September so Genie likely won't be in play which I am grateful for. I want to see how all of this works out before I make a judgement on it.
One thing that confuses me is that little by little Disney is taking away the perks that made DVC and staying on property worth it. By taking away EMH, Magical Express and ability to book FP 30 days ahead of people staying off site it is likely going to result in more people booking hotels/houses offsite.
As more people stay offsite they are much more likely to eat meals at restaurants outside of Disney and split vacations to go to Universal or other Orlando attractions.
I guess they have this all figured out but it sure seems risky to reduce perks for on site guests.
One thing that confuses me is that little by little Disney is taking away the perks that made DVC and staying on property worth it. By taking away EMH, Magical Express and ability to book FP 30 days ahead of people staying off site it is likely going to result in more people booking hotels/houses offsite.
As more people stay offsite they are much more likely to eat meals at restaurants outside of Disney and split vacations to go to Universal or other Orlando attractions.
I guess they have this all figured out but it sure seems risky to reduce perks for on site guests.
rodg12
Footballguy
While no longer calling it EMH, they are doing a 30 min ‘Early Theme Park Entry’ for all Disney Resort guests at all parks starting October 1.
They’re also doing Extended Theme Park Hours on select dates for guests staying at the deluxe resorts starting in October.
Just wanted to make sure you were aware. Definitely catering to the high spenders, though, with only deluxe resorts and then having to pay extra for Genie and even more for some rides.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Thanks that is true. Those don't take effect until October but they are perks and DVC members qualify.
glvsav37
Footballguy
Ratatouille ride will not have a standby queue when it opens. It will be boarding group (virtual queue) or the upgraded Lightening Lane individual ride paid for option.
https://disneytips.com/epcots-newest-ride-will-be-virtual-queue-or-pay-to-ride-only/?utm_content=buffereafd1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR2FPobhBp2zOXrdh2TOihIWbCzJ7pMOeXw9oWitcyX_pG0zWrg7FUUyVow
https://disneytips.com/epcots-newest-ride-will-be-virtual-queue-or-pay-to-ride-only/?utm_content=buffereafd1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR2FPobhBp2zOXrdh2TOihIWbCzJ7pMOeXw9oWitcyX_pG0zWrg7FUUyVow
glvsav37
Footballguy
on the retail side, Disney is moving forward with closing almost all of its US and Canadian based Disney Stores. Only the flagship stores (Like NYC) and certain outlet locations will remain open. Most will be closed by the end of September.
On the flip side, over 150 Target stores will add "Disney store" sections to their stores.
On the flip side, over 150 Target stores will add "Disney store" sections to their stores.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
We cancelled our September trip last year and did not have to break the news to the grandkids cause it was also a surprise.
We rescheduled for Sept 11-15 thinking Covid would be mostly in the rear view mirror but here we go again. We have two 3 BR Grand Villas & 1 Studio booked at Saratoga and 19 of us going.
I told my son & his wife that I wouldn't blame them if they wanted to cancel but they want to go. We'll mask up, use a boatload of sanitizer and avoid crowded stuff like rope-drops and fireworks.
The good news is that if the DIS boards are any indication there are lots of people that are cancelling + early September is less crowded anyway we expect this may not be much more risky for the kids than going to school which is mask-optional and only 25% compliant.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
CB is great, a definite upgrade over ASM. Never done the skyliner, but the resort is top notch.
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