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You'll love your first Jeep Oats, but I think once the novelty wears off you'll wish you had opted for late model that has both the fun factor as well as a smooth modern ride and amenities. I loved my '94 Wrangler, but ~ 2017-18 when my kids are past the toddler stage, I'll be looking hard at the all black 2014 Willy's. Those are the shizznit at a respectable price.

I don't know that the new Jeeps interest me. Maybe they would. The Willys look pretty nice, and the Unlimited looks huge and good for my family. Maybe one day. But for now if I had a 25-30k budget I would be getting a 1980 Golden Eagle completely rebuilt, restored and pimped out.

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You'll love your first Jeep Oats, but I think once the novelty wears off you'll wish you had opted for late model that has both the fun factor as well as a smooth modern ride and amenities. I loved my '94 Wrangler, but ~ 2017-18 when my kids are past the toddler stage, I'll be looking hard at the all black 2014 Willy's. Those are the shizznit at a respectable price.

I don't know that the new Jeeps interest me. Maybe they would. The Willys look pretty nice, and the Unlimited looks huge and good for my family. Maybe one day. But for now if I had a 25-30k budget I would be getting a 1980 Golden Eagle completely rebuilt, restored and pimped out.

I hear you - the old ones look really cool and carry that Matchbox nostalgia that lots of folks our age have. As long as you keep it garage kept you really can't lose, as you'll only use it as a weekend driver and it will hold it's value.

Enjoy!

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Hey icon, any of your boys ever do any 4Runner modifications? Occasionally I see a 4Runner with the top cut off, and I'm not talking about the 80s versions that had removable tops.

I've owned my '99 4Runner since '02 and I'm only at 145k miles. I'm intrigued by the idea of having a local chop shop cut the roof off and put in a roll bar. Wonder how much something like that runs.

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Hey icon, any of your boys ever do any 4Runner modifications? Occasionally I see a 4Runner with the top cut off, and I'm not talking about the 80s versions that had removable tops.

I've owned my '99 4Runner since '02 and I'm only at 145k miles. I'm intrigued by the idea of having a local chop shop cut the roof off and put in a roll bar. Wonder how much something like that runs.

I've got a buddy who is a Toyota whiz.. Has built some awesome 4runners. I can put you in touch if you want. Inbox me.

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Icon, gents,

After talking with my BIL yesterday, he raised the safety issue with some of these old Jeeps (rolling) and I'm starting to wonder how much work would have to go into then to make them safe enough for a couple of car seats and a couple of small kids. Which now has me thinking something more modern may be better.

I've seen a bunch of new Jeeps in town recently, some I think the unlimited (they are longer and 4 door?), with a full family roll cage, and I'm starting to wonder if this is more the way to go. It feels a whole lot less cool and interesting to me, but it's still the open air driving I want, and I'll actually be able to take the whole family when needed. Which means I'll probably have a chance to drive it a whole lot more.

Thoughts on what I should be looking for here if I go the more modern route? I guess I could get something from the 90s and lift it/have 33" tires put on.

I really love these 70s CJs, but I'm wondering if it's just impractical to the point that I'll never actually be able to enjoy it

TIA

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I'm with you Oats. I think you'll get a lot more enjoyment being able to feel safe taking the family around.

I'd just bear down and get the 4-door if I were in your shoes. They are still freaking sweet with the top and doors off.

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Something like this could be nice:

Lifted Jeep Wrangler $11500

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5157888741.html

But worm I see what you're saying, I saw a four door with all the doors off this weekend and it was pretty cool. Not sure I would take the doors off with the kids in back, though they would be strapped into car seats. But I dont think Mrs O would be having that....

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Something like this could be nice:

Lifted Jeep Wrangler $11500

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5157888741.html

But worm I see what you're saying, I saw a four door with all the doors off this weekend and it was pretty cool. Not sure I would take the doors off with the kids in back, though they would be strapped into car seats. But I dont think Mrs O would be having that....

That's pretty sweet.

You could take the fronts off and leave the backs on for the kids if that made her/you feel better. I like the fact that the roll bar in the 4-door extends so much further back past the back seats. I don't know if it's actually any safer for the rear seat passengers (especially kids), but it would make me feel safer.

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It's a personal opinion but the 4 door jeeps are not as fun as 2 door.....if u have 2 kids or less get the 2 door. Driving the 4 door it never felt like a jeep.

I guess the number of doors doesn't matter to me a whole lot -- it's more whether there is a usable back seat that can fit a couple of cars seats, and whether the roll cage extends safely over the top of that. If I can get this setup with a 2 door, that's fine too.

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Getting a full roll cage for a CJ7 is certainly doable but will generally involve needing access to someone who can weld/fabricate. It's well known that ALL jeep factory roll cages aren't particularly robust, and a roll at speed will likely have pretty bad results. Aftermarket cages are generally MUCH stronger and can fill voids (like the missing back-seat protection in CJs).

You can buy a already built JK for pretty reasonable prices now.... since it's not a daily driver, the mileage of a used one shouldn't be too much of a deterrent. Here are a couple pics of one a buddy is selling (or just sold) for $25k. Very much a tricked out rig with AEV lift/wheels.... It's got a supercharger on the engine as well.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk264/atx780/1A9D8062-CE02-4361-9F29-2293943C4E55_zpscwv92aau.jpg

Note the rear winch:
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk264/atx780/C93075B1-C68D-4D51-90AE-53C1029B4BCD_zpsfrgqdweu.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk264/atx780/483F75E1-E5E1-49ED-B892-C75CAF62162D_zpswkscausb.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk264/atx780/8C9823BA-8A60-44C3-85BD-C77CF7E15E31_zpsxwv5ifek.jpg

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Avoid the big 6x KC style light bars (lots of normal round type lights), IMO. It's kinda silly to have too much forward facing light unless you're using it (wheeling at night), and with the advent of smaller/brighter LED lightbars, the old school lights look kinda silly.

Just a freindly FYI. There are a handful of cheesy aesthetic "land mines" that just about everyone seems to want when they first start looking, then realize they're horrible once they've actually looked around more (hopefully before buying). That said, different strokes for different folks... lots of options to customize jeeps the way you want them.

There is one locally that the owner named "Rumble Bee" that is somewhat the laughingstock of the region's jeep/offroad forums. It's pretty bad.... dude has like 16 forward facing lights and it looks like called up quadratech, said "Give me two of everything" and bolted it all up.

Rumble Bee From Behind

From the side

From the front



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Something like this could be nice:

Lifted Jeep Wrangler $11500

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5157888741.html

But worm I see what you're saying, I saw a four door with all the doors off this weekend and it was pretty cool. Not sure I would take the doors off with the kids in back, though they would be strapped into car seats. But I dont think Mrs O would be having that....

My wife was very much the same way and was uncomfortable with the doors off completely. I have a set of these: http://www.amazon.com/Body-Armor-4x4-TJ-6137-Black/dp/B00S15PKBU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1439220724&sr=8-4&keywords=body+armor+trail+doorsand can take them off and on in about 3 minutes. To me that is the most fun thing about the Jeep. I have a sun screen, the doors and mirror mounts for when the doors are off. There are around 20 combinations we can go to with the freedom panels (I have a 2010). I love the tricked out older versions, but also like bluetooth, satellite radio, etc. I was lucky to find a 2010 with low miles. This may be another direction to take. It has all of the "fun" of the older models, but has a lot more comfort (my son and I drove from MI to FL on his break last year to have the Jeep at the beach).

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Something like this could be nice:

Lifted Jeep Wrangler $11500

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5157888741.html

But worm I see what you're saying, I saw a four door with all the doors off this weekend and it was pretty cool. Not sure I would take the doors off with the kids in back, though they would be strapped into car seats. But I dont think Mrs O would be having that....

My wife was very much the same way and was uncomfortable with the doors off completely. I have a set of these: http://www.amazon.com/Body-Armor-4x4-TJ-6137-Black/dp/B00S15PKBU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1439220724&sr=8-4&keywords=body+armor+trail+doorsand can take them off and on in about 3 minutes. To me that is the most fun thing about the Jeep. I have a sun screen, the doors and mirror mounts for when the doors are off. There are around 20 combinations we can go to with the freedom panels (I have a 2010). I love the tricked out older versions, but also like bluetooth, satellite radio, etc. I was lucky to find a 2010 with low miles. This may be another direction to take. It has all of the "fun" of the older models, but has a lot more comfort (my son and I drove from MI to FL on his break last year to have the Jeep at the beach).

These are very cool -- I've seen these on the road and would definitely like to get something like these door panels.

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This one is almost 10 years old and has the mileage to show it, but it's local to me and pretty sweet looking, especially if we eventually do bigger wheels and a slight lift, and throw on some of them slanted soft tops on back with these body armor webbed doors.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/cto/5123380968.html

Hmm....

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The basics:

CJ7: 1976-1986: The classic jeep. Rust and overall wear is concern. Lots will have swapped engine. Target Fuel Injected if possible.

YJ: 1987-1995: ####box with square headlights and leaf suspension. Avoid. Not a classic.

TJ: 1997-2006: Nice coil suspension, more modern interior but still rustic. 6cyl 4.0 engine very reliable. Target 2004-2006.

JK 2007+: Bigger & more posh. Less "classic" look. Started w/ weaker engine but 2012+ added better V6 engine. Pricey for 2nd car.

Bumping for O now that he's considering JKs.

The V6 in the 2007-2011 JK's is taken from the dodge caravan minivan. It's decent for the 2doors but woefully underpowered for a 4door... not to mention poor gear selection in the axles (particularly for the auto transmission), exacerbating the "underpowered" issue. Now, if you factor in lift/tires/etc and you're going to be annoyed at the lack of power.

IF you're going 4dr JK, you really should be considering 2012+ (which has a more powerful engine and improved gearing).

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Damn, now you're looking at $40k+ vehicles. This is where the idea dies. Go back to looking at TJs. [icon] how do you feel about the safety of TJs?

I know.

Will the engine thing really bother me? I'm not planning to race around in whatever one of these I get. It's for cruising at 35MPH to the Trader Joe's, or maybe 60MPH to the beach. I feel like I could live with "underpowered" if it's good value.

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Damn, now you're looking at $40k+ vehicles. This is where the idea dies. Go back to looking at TJs. [icon] how do you feel about the safety of TJs?

They are wider than a CJ7 so are less prone to rollover. the factory cage will save you in a basic roll but in something high speed or violent, none of these cages will likely hold up. that said, there are the most aftermarket support for simple bolt-on cage reenforcement stuff like this one from RockHard,. or full roll cage replacements complete with frame tie-ins like this one from Poison Spyder Customs, welded up and ready to bolt in.

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Damn, now you're looking at $40k+ vehicles. This is where the idea dies. Go back to looking at TJs. [icon] how do you feel about the safety of TJs?

I know.

Will the engine thing really bother me? I'm not planning to race around in whatever one of these I get. It's for cruising at 35MPH to the Trader Joe's, or maybe 60MPH to the beach. I feel like I could live with "underpowered" if it's good value.

These aren't "race vehicles" to begin with, so you not racing around is already assumed. A buddy who owned a 2010 said his jeep "couldn't get out of it's own way" and hated it. It's less of a concern at 35mph... but if you're going to ever want to take it out on the highway or something it WILL bug you.

I get viewing a $7-8k vehicle as a pure "around town" ride, but if you're going to drop 20-30k on this thing, I'm guessing you'll want to have the freedom to drive 65mph or accelerate to the flow of traffic without feeling like you need to cut a hole in the floor and go all flintstones on it.

But hey... you could always go and actually DRIVE one and form your own opinions :D

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This is pretty freaking sweet.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/cto/5152490154.html

Looks like I could go to Iraq. On my way back from the grocery store and Target.

This is pretty freaking sweet.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/cto/5152490154.html

Looks like I could go to Iraq. On my way back from the grocery store and Target.

That is an abomination. It's even got an Xterra roof rack. Not to mention a 2010 still has the old interior and the 3.8 engine. You could get a brand new nice Willy's for 35K OTD. But it won't have the COD badge.

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These are sweet:

http://www.easthillsjeep.com/used/Jeep/2012-Jeep-Wrangler+Unlimited-e30f6bd10a0a00e00b1f78b7c6864372.htm

http://www.easthillsjeep.com/certified/Jeep/2014-Jeep-Wrangler+Unlimited-ddac91d30a0a0065012b8375f916ee58.htm

To icon's point, if I look at this as a replacement for my car (which is our second car), rather than a toy/third car, maybe this could work. I could trade in the Land Rover and probably knock 10k off the price and get a vehicle with 1/3 the mileage and which lets me take off roof and doors. Hmmm...

Lol heinous:

http://www.easthillsjeep.com/certified/Jeep/2011-Jeep-Wrangler+Unlimited-782c06fe0a0e0a173bd3674fdca39477.htm

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So here's what I'm checking out. Any comments from you experts?

http://www.lhmauto.com/new/Jeep/2015-Jeep-Wrangler-a5b8266e0a0a00652df1f5bd8f10b3d2.htm

Why would you buy that for 36k when you can get one of the ones I linked here for like 32k:

http://www.easthillsjeep.com/used/Jeep/2012-Jeep-Wrangler+Unlimited-e30f6bd10a0a00e00b1f78b7c6864372.htm

http://www.easthillsjeep.com/certified/Jeep/2014-Jeep-Wrangler+Unlimited-ddac91d30a0a0065012b8375f916ee58.htm

Yes they have 20k or 30k miles on them, but they look so much cooler/more valuable. Value-based drafting down?

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So here's what I'm checking out. Any comments from you experts?

http://www.lhmauto.com/new/Jeep/2015-Jeep-Wrangler-a5b8266e0a0a00652df1f5bd8f10b3d2.htm

Why would you buy that for 36k when you can get one of the ones I linked here for like 32k:

http://www.easthillsjeep.com/used/Jeep/2012-Jeep-Wrangler+Unlimited-e30f6bd10a0a00e00b1f78b7c6864372.htm

http://www.easthillsjeep.com/certified/Jeep/2014-Jeep-Wrangler+Unlimited-ddac91d30a0a0065012b8375f916ee58.htm

Yes they have 20k or 30k miles on them, but they look so much cooler/more valuable. Value-based drafting down?

Not a fan of the four door. It looks like a family SUV trying to be cool.

And I pretty much only buy new crap. I don't like used stuff. Do you buy your shirts at Goodwill? Much better deals there.

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Those wheels are horrible... the Fender Armor are cheap stuff (Smittybilt XRC - About $1000ish for the set) but they're a big improvement over factory if you were actually going to wheel the jeep, given the OEM fender flares rip off very easily.

That bumper is horrid... looks like road armor but may be smittybilt (aka ####tybilt) also...

hard to tell what the suspension is, but those appear to be Fox remote reservoir shocks which are nearly top of the line.

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hey guys so I'm a college kid now and I'm not a rich one either. i work for all my money and I'm obsessed with early jeep wranglers as in like the 1989 model. does anyone have an idea what would be a good starting price for a daily driver that looks okay i don't mind some body rust as long as there is no frame rust. i have no idea how to weld. but i would want it to be in good mechanical condition. I've checked craigslist but everything that looks decent is like 7-8k with over 130kmiles or theres the junk jeeps for like 2.5k and i have no idea what is truly wrong. any help/insight would be appreciated

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hey guys so I'm a college kid now and I'm not a rich one either. i work for all my money and I'm obsessed with early jeep wranglers as in like the 1989 model. does anyone have an idea what would be a good starting price for a daily driver that looks okay i don't mind some body rust as long as there is no frame rust. i have no idea how to weld. but i would want it to be in good mechanical condition. I've checked craigslist but everything that looks decent is like 7-8k with over 130kmiles or theres the junk jeeps for like 2.5k and i have no idea what is truly wrong. any help/insight would be appreciated

Good for you. I can't offer you advice on the jeep, but I can say to stick it out. Don't let anything dissuade you from finishing college. A lot of us on this board were in your shoes once, and now we are all FBG's. So stick with it and good luck.

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Icon,

If I want one that looks like this, what do I need to do?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/78/4d/7c784d57b5a4f9f02fef9242e34f69f7.jpg

It's a 4-door wrangler, that much I get. I think it says Sahara on it, but there doesn't seem to be all that significant a difference between Sahara and sport and unlimited etc.

So it looks like if I just got a black or grey stock one, all I need to do is put on these big wheels and tires and have it lifted? What would that run me?

I'm starting to think about finding some trails up in the Catskills to go "jeeping" with the fam. This could be sort of cool.

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These are so bad ###. My local dealer has a couple. They cost like a million dollars.

http://www.rockyridgetrucks.com/index.php/products/ram-and-jeep/jeep/stealth/

You referring to the rhino-lined exterior (PITA for cleaning maintenance) or the build/setup? The lift/bumpers/tires/etc is all easily added to any jeep if that's the case

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Icon,

If I want one that looks like this, what do I need to do?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/78/4d/7c784d57b5a4f9f02fef9242e34f69f7.jpg

It's a 4-door wrangler, that much I get. I think it says Sahara on it, but there doesn't seem to be all that significant a difference between Sahara and sport and unlimited etc.

So it looks like if I just got a black or grey stock one, all I need to do is put on these big wheels and tires and have it lifted? What would that run me?

I'm starting to think about finding some trails up in the Catskills to go "jeeping" with the fam. This could be sort of cool.

Nope, not the rhino lined -- this one linked above is a different picture. I guess I mean the "build/setup" ? (I don't really know what I mean).

So to get the look of this picture linked here, from stock, it looks like I just need new wheels/tires and a lift?

I guess the question is generally speaking what do a set of wheels/tires like these, and a lift, generally run? I don't need the highest end tires, but I would want something that looks like this and is at least decent quality -- I would basically want tires around this size and a lift around this much:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/78/4d/7c784d57b5a4f9f02fef9242e34f69f7.jpg

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Icon,

If I want one that looks like this, what do I need to do?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/78/4d/7c784d57b5a4f9f02fef9242e34f69f7.jpg

It's a 4-door wrangler, that much I get. I think it says Sahara on it, but there doesn't seem to be all that significant a difference between Sahara and sport and unlimited etc.

So it looks like if I just got a black or grey stock one, all I need to do is put on these big wheels and tires and have it lifted? What would that run me?

I'm starting to think about finding some trails up in the Catskills to go "jeeping" with the fam. This could be sort of cool.

Sahara means the body and fender flares are the same color/finish. There are other factors but that's an easily identifiable marker from the sahara package.

That looks like a basic 2.5-3" lift or so. Honestly, for the mild stuff you're doing, you could do it yourself with some tools and a little help or pay someone to do it (prob $250-400 for install, takes a pro maybe 2 hours). The Kit itself is only about $140 from Rough Country. That lift will allow you to clear 35" tires comfortably on a JK.

Normally for serious wheeling, you want to replace the coil springs and shocks for a better performing suspension. For the type of stuff you're going to be riding (pretty mild trails/roads), I think you'll be fine with this setup. If you get bitten by the bug, you can upgrade later.

The wheels and tires are certainly an option... you can also just spray-on plasti-dip to coat your factory wheels black if you're looking to do it on the cheap.

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This is sweet. Pretty much exactly what I'd like:

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5144709807.html

The supercharger setup is not cheap... should help offset some of the power issues with the pre-2012 powerplant. :thumbup:

Rebuilt Title down?

Pretty common with jeeps that have been "totaled" due to an off road wreck or something. If the frame and tub check out I'm usually not worried about it. Definitely something worth having a professional go over, though.

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Icon,

If I want one that looks like this, what do I need to do?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/78/4d/7c784d57b5a4f9f02fef9242e34f69f7.jpg

It's a 4-door wrangler, that much I get. I think it says Sahara on it, but there doesn't seem to be all that significant a difference between Sahara and sport and unlimited etc.

So it looks like if I just got a black or grey stock one, all I need to do is put on these big wheels and tires and have it lifted? What would that run me?

I'm starting to think about finding some trails up in the Catskills to go "jeeping" with the fam. This could be sort of cool.

Sahara means the body and fender flares are the same color/finish. There are other factors but that's an easily identifiable marker from the sahara package.

That looks like a basic 2.5-3" lift or so. Honestly, for the mild stuff you're doing, you could do it yourself with some tools and a little help or pay someone to do it (prob $250-400 for install, takes a pro maybe 2 hours). The Kit itself is only about $140 from Rough Country. That lift will allow you to clear 35" tires comfortably on a JK.

Normally for serious wheeling, you want to replace the coil springs and shocks for a better performing suspension. For the type of stuff you're going to be riding (pretty mild trails/roads), I think you'll be fine with this setup. If you get bitten by the bug, you can upgrade later.

The wheels and tires are certainly an option... you can also just spray-on plasti-dip to coat your factory wheels black if you're looking to do it on the cheap.

Very cool. Thanks.

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