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19 hours ago, culdeus said:

I mean how about this theory.

Guy gets in the car, not being familiar with the power and floors it and loses control mistaking gas for break and hits the trees, he then crawls over the driver seat because the door was stuck closed and tried to get out and burned alive.  

It's been speculated (I don't trust anything) the passenger was not wearing seatbelt. 

I think it's highly likely FSD/AP/EAP/CC was not in use for even one rotation of the wheel.  It's just too hard to get it to engage as it is when running with stripes, let alone from a dead stop where there are no stripes.

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The actions required above are from the perspective of a Model S/X owner, my Model 3 is all right stalk controlled for this with the increase coming from the right scroll wheel.  That (Model 3) would be a lot easier to mess with from the passenger seat.  So you are now asking passenger to reach across the wheel (in this situation) to get to the stalk of the S/X.

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TLDR I doubt AP played even the slightest role in any of this.

Or, a third person was in the driver's seat and was able to flee. There are many scenarios that make more sense than auto-pilot. It's not worth jumping through mental gymnastics to find a way that AP could have caused the accident until there's actual evidence that it did. The only evidence so far, is the assumption by the constable, who also said the fire burned out of control for 4 hours. Which also turns out to be not true:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-battery-fire-fud-debunked-tx-fire-chief/

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51 minutes ago, Dragons said:

Or, a third person was in the driver's seat and was able to flee. There are many scenarios that make more sense than auto-pilot. It's not worth jumping through mental gymnastics to find a way that AP could have caused the accident until there's actual evidence that it did. The only evidence so far, is the assumption by the constable, who also said the fire burned out of control for 4 hours. Which also turns out to be not true:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-battery-fire-fud-debunked-tx-fire-chief/

If there was a driver, he closed the door back on departing the car, or jumped out the window that was about the size of a washing machine window.  Then there were witnesses that saw the car driving off, all of them have aligned to say there were just two in the car and stuck with that story.  Care to explain that?

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9 minutes ago, culdeus said:

If there was a driver, he closed the door back on departing the car, or jumped out the window that was about the size of a washing machine window.  Then there were witnesses that saw the car driving off, all of them have aligned to say there were just two in the car and stuck with that story.  Care to explain that?

I am not investigating the accident, I'm just speculating as much as everyone else. 

However, witnesses could be protecting someone they know that made a huge mistake.

I am agreeing with you that AP does not make sense and am offering another possibility that is more likely (IMO) than AP.

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There have been a few new electric vehicles released in the last 2 weeks and they are all luxury cars with tons of gadgets.

I do not want auto-pilot, adaptive cruise control, giant monitors, power seats, lane departure warning, etc.  All I want is AWD with lots of power and lots of batteries.

The problem is the cheap ones do not have enough power and as soon as a car manufacture adds power they add all the luxury items.

Hopefully soon the manufacturers will release more options in the electric car market.

 

 

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Adding links for the two new useless electric vehicles.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-first-look-review/

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/04/this-electric-fastback-is-the-next-audi-a6-e-tron-due-in-late-2022/

 

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47 minutes ago, MTskibum said:

There have been a few new electric vehicles released in the last 2 weeks and they are all luxury cars with tons of gadgets.

I do not want auto-pilot, adaptive cruise control, giant monitors, power seats, lane departure warning, etc.  All I want is AWD with lots of power and lots of batteries.

The problem is the cheap ones do not have enough power and as soon as a car manufacture adds power they add all the luxury items.

Hopefully soon the manufacturers will release more options in the electric car market.

 

 

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Adding links for the two new useless electric vehicles.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-first-look-review/

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/04/this-electric-fastback-is-the-next-audi-a6-e-tron-due-in-late-2022/

 

I think these attack the Model S segment quite well.  There is as much profit in luxury car as the MSRP in economy cars, so it's understandable why these are being released.  

The refresh S/X are underwhelming (imo)  

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On 4/21/2021 at 8:32 AM, Dragons said:

I am not investigating the accident, I'm just speculating as much as everyone else. 

However, witnesses could be protecting someone they know that made a huge mistake.

I am agreeing with you that AP does not make sense and am offering another possibility that is more likely (IMO) than AP.

They now have video of the passengers entering the car, one driver side and one passenger side.  AFAIK there won't be any other information released as all the black box stuff simply burned up.

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Got a notification Tuesday that my 12V battery needed to be changed. It has 65,000 miles on it, but I'm in the last 6 mos of my 3 yr/ 36,000 mi warranty (bought used from Tesla).

Went on the app Weds and scheduled a mobile appt for Thursday morning between 8:30-12:30. Guy pulled into my driveway at 9:30 and swapped out the battery, made sure all my firmware was updated, told me I probably have a couple thousand miles left on my current set of tires, and was out of here by 10:00. No charge.

He also told me, while he was in the middle of changing it that he'd, "Never seen a car like yours before." Not really what you want to hear while someone is working on your car.

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2 years, 17k miles and I haven't done a damn thing maintenance wise for my 2019 Model 3.  I had one fault message that resulted in mobile service replacing a wiring harness under the passenger seat.  Took him all of 15 minutes.

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12 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

He also told me, while he was in the middle of changing it that he'd, "Never seen a car like yours before." Not really what you want to hear while someone is working on your car.

did he elaborate?  ...or just let that thing float and stink up the place?

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1 hour ago, Binky The Doormat said:

did he elaborate?  ...or just let that thing float and stink up the place?

My car is a '15 S. They changed the body type that year, so some '15s have the nose cone and some are the newer style, without. 

They made other changes as well, and the '15s with the nose cone have the old battery placement, but the wiring is consistent with the new body style. So, he took off the frame of the frunk expecting to see one thing, found the battery where he thought he would, and discovered everything else was different. It was a mix of what he sees between two different body styles, a first for him. 

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Driving her to Oregon next month.  Looking at the supercharger network, I’m pleasantly surprised at a lot of the new locations popping up. 👍

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Still loving the LRM3.  I will say that the rated range vs. what we achieve is far enough apart to make me question the road trip estimates.  I don't really have any plans to road trip in it anytime soon however. 

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On 7/8/2021 at 8:47 AM, culdeus said:

Still loving the LRM3.  I will say that the rated range vs. what we achieve is far enough apart to make me question the road trip estimates.  I don't really have any plans to road trip in it anytime soon however. 

What range are you getting?

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4 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

What range are you getting?

 

I haven't really pushed the range out.  I have a teslafi and it estimates my full range at 352.  I've never charged to 100 and only charged to 90 once.  

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There are 11 vehicles with charges at your current odometer reading.
2 Vehicles have a higher range. 9 Vehicles have a lower range.
Your range is better than 82 % of similar users.
Data And Settings

Your Current RangeFleet Average RangeRange DifferencePercent

351.94   345.83   6.11   101.8 %

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Actually entertaining the idea of selling my 2019 M3 LR RWD.  I could potentially get almost what I paid for it.  {47.9k} Because the used market is insane.  I'd put it towards a performance MY.  I can wait the 2 - 3 months it would take.

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Just placed an order for the Standard Range Plus M3!  I'm so excited to be back in the game.  

We've had a mess of cars since I totaled my 3 nearly 2 years ago...Wife bought a Subaru Ascent with my settlement for the 3.  We thought it was best for the family of 5, but its short on space, and the kids are still growing.  Then I bought a Tacoma in hopes getting a  boat...well we got a boat, but the Taco just doesn't cut it with towing the boat.  

Wife ended up getting a Suburban, plenty of room and will tow the boat.  

My 3 will be the daily driver.  I drive about 75 miles a day between school and afterschool activities.  All of that was starting to add up.  Hope these are the final autos we have to buy for a while.  

Have to wait til January though.  Thats the bummer.  Went white, with the aeros...

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damn...the Tesla Gods smiled on me.  

Ordered on Sept 6th.  Was given a January estimate.  I actually changed my color twice, last time being 9/9.  Got an updated delivery window of Nov 10-30.  

Just got a call that its in town and I can pick it up tomorrow.  Gotta do one more landscaping pick up with my truck before its traded in.  I'm so pumped!!!

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1 hour ago, jb1020 said:

damn...the Tesla Gods smiled on me.  

Ordered on Sept 6th.  Was given a January estimate.  I actually changed my color twice, last time being 9/9.  Got an updated delivery window of Nov 10-30.  

Just got a call that its in town and I can pick it up tomorrow.  Gotta do one more landscaping pick up with my truck before its traded in.  I'm so pumped!!!

:pickle:

 

Congrats!

 

 

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Test drove a friend's new Performance 3 (I think I said that right).

It was amazing how different the driving experience is. Insanely quiet and smooth increidble acceleration, instant braking, and no coasting.

It would be a blast driving it around town, It may be a little harsh on the freeway with the tight suspension (maybe not).

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2 hours ago, jb1020 said:

damn...the Tesla Gods smiled on me.  

Ordered on Sept 6th.  Was given a January estimate.  I actually changed my color twice, last time being 9/9.  Got an updated delivery window of Nov 10-30.  

Just got a call that its in town and I can pick it up tomorrow.  Gotta do one more landscaping pick up with my truck before its traded in.  I'm so pumped!!!

:pickle:

Congrats!   Did they just have the same model with your options at another store?  I wasn’t sure how much inventory Tesla carries. 

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17 hours ago, Nugget said:

Congrats!   Did they just have the same model with your options at another store?  I wasn’t sure how much inventory Tesla carries. 

Tesla carries very little true inventory. You can not normally walk into a store and select the exact car you're going to buy like the traditional dealership model. Most 3s and Ys are shipped to regional areas and matched to buyers en-route. When something like this happens, it's typically the result of a sale not going through (for whatever reason) for a car previously matched to another buyer.

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I got a 2017 Model S six months ago through Tesla. Wow. I had owned my previous car, a 2003 Infiniti G35 coupe, for more than 17 years. Talk about a step up in technology! I kept the previous car so long because for the last nine years I've been living downtown and driving less than 2,000 miles a year. Getting a new car seemed like a waste. 

I had always liked the look of the Model S. My mom has an early one, 2014 I believe. But I was closer to going with no car than getting a Tesla. What put the possibility of getting a Tesla into my mind was when a friend in my apartment building got a Model 3. He told me how the valet here takes the car and charges it for you at no additional cost. In six months, I've never charged the car myself except the one time I took a long trip! It just always has juice! Then with the pandemic, I didn't want to take public transportation or rideshare anymore. It felt like time to get a new car.

But if I had known what the Tesla could do, I would have gotten one sooner! I really thought autopilot was going to be like a novelty that I would never use.  I guess my mother has autopilot 1, but she never uses it. Since I got the car used from the Tesla site, it's fully loaded with FSD. And I use it all the time. Most of the time I'm on a freeway/highway, I'm in autopilot. I actually feel it's safer. I feel like I'm a manager in the driver's seat, and because I'm not driving I can see the big picture. I know what all the cars around me are doing. I don't allow it to change lanes on its own. I did try that, but I prefer to handle it. And since the car will brake on its own or react to what's going on in front of you, I can really make sure the lane is clear through the mirror and screen before triggering it to change lanes without the usual concern of someone in front slamming on the brakes while you're checking. On surface streets, I go in and out of autopilot a ton. We tend to drive the same streets over and over again, so you get to know what the autopilot can handle well and when you should take over. But usually going into a light I'll turn on the autopilot and have it stop itself, then I can sit at the light without my foot on the brake. Just that reprieve makes driving so much better. I feel none of the frustration of dealing with traffic anymore. It's like I'm not even in traffic. I'm removed from it all and watching other people deal with traffic while enjoying my luxurious space.

It did take some time to get used to the autopilot and the brake regeneration, but now I love both. The car just feels like it's gliding along. The acceleration also makes driving less stressful, because I know I can just take what I want. And the way the car slows without braking and how deftly it handles slow speeds is an underrated aspect. I can't even drive a female friend's car these days. It's like torture.

I feel like a lot of people still don't know of what a Tesla is capable. Because I don't see why anyone would buy a BMW, Mercedes, Audi or any comparable luxury sedan over a Tesla. I look at everyone else's car right now and think mine is better. Ferrari? Ppphhh, can it drive itself? If I had all the money in the world and could choose any car to drive, it would definitely be the new Plaid Plus.

I also got some cosmetic work done to it. Here's a pic.

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On 9/17/2021 at 5:32 PM, Nugget said:

Congrats!   Did they just have the same model with your options at another store?  I wasn’t sure how much inventory Tesla carries. 

They have a pretty big distribution center in Jackson, MS now, but I had to have just gotten lucky.  Likely someone canceled their order, or upgraded.  Who knows.  Demand here isn't nearly like it is in other parts of the US.  

There is a noticeable (at least to me) difference in the SR+ and the Dual Motor AWD I used to have.  Not nearly as peppy right off the line.  I love it though.  Pretty awesome car for the price, IMO.  

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On 7/30/2021 at 10:50 AM, Bob Sacamano said:

The recall?

I got mine a couple weeks ago. Nothing earth-shattering.

wasn’t a recall.  just an upgrade

loved watching Netflix and YouTube during charges on my road trip to Oregon :popcorn:

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On 9/18/2021 at 4:46 AM, Shrugs said:

I feel like a lot of people still don't know of what a Tesla is capable. Because I don't see why anyone would buy a BMW, Mercedes, Audi or any comparable luxury sedan over a Tesla

Aren't you paying twice as much for a 2017 Model S as opposed to a 2017 whatever else?

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My oldest son will inherit my 2011 Prius when he officially gets his license early next year so I was in the market for a new car. I knew I wanted an electric but, since I’m a drummer as well (not my day job ;) ) I wanted something with some room to schlepp gear. Aren’t many options at all for all-electric SUVs (more now with the new VW id4) so I decided to take the plunge and just put my order in for a Model Y. (Set to arrive between Dec 8 and 28)
 

I couldn’t be more excited and already have my Amazon shopping cart full of some Tesla accessories, like the hub center caps (plan on taking off the hub caps), some center console organizers, and considering buying the spoiler wing (anyone have experience with installing one? Pros/cons?). 

I did NOT spring the extra 10k for self driving, since I think the Auto-pilot (that comes standard) will do the job in stop n go traffic.  I like that they offer a $200/month subscription model so I will try out self-driving at some point  

anyway, I’m on board now. 

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38 minutes ago, the moops said:

Aren't you paying twice as much for a 2017 Model S as opposed to a 2017 whatever else?

Like a 2017 BMW, Mercedes or Audi? I doubt it. Certainly not for a car with comparable performance and technology. My Model S had 38k miles and cost $48,500 from Tesla.

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