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ANARCHY LEAGUE 3 (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter David Yudkin
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
So far:
1 - Edge James
2 - Randy Moss
3 - DeShaun Foster
1 - Edge James
2 - Randy Moss
3 - DeShaun Foster
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Corey Dillon just keep on sliding in drafts.
I know that maroney is the heir apparent, but Corey's gonna have adecent year methinks.
I know that maroney is the heir apparent, but Corey's gonna have adecent year methinks.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
happy to add mason at WR2.
Mason and Heap's ADP's are skyrocketing at this point and come late August, may not represent good value.
Mason and Heap's ADP's are skyrocketing at this point and come late August, may not represent good value.
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
I got a question. I thought that your flex position had to be drafted after your roster was complete? Not sure if thats true or not, but Z-dog drafted 5 straight RB's outta the gate. I got no problem with it, but if were gonna have to go back and change a bunch of picks after the fact, we should just do it now.
Jackal King
Footballguy
You can draft 5 RB's without involving the flex.Regardless though...I think you can draft your flex position at any time...and do not have to do it in round 18.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Each team needs the following 17 players:
Number of Starting TMQBs: 2
Number of Starting RBs: 4
Number of Starting WRs: 5
Number of Starting TEs: 2
Number of Starting PKs: 2
Number of Starting Defs: 2
In addition, each team is allowed one flex, either a RB, WR, or TE.
If someone picked 5 straight RB, that team now has its RB and FLEX completed and needs all the other spots going forward.
The system is *SUPPOSED* to prevent people from having too many at any position, so if this team ends up with another RB somehow, let me know ASAP, as that is a no no.
You can elect to fill your flex spot whenever you want, but whoever that player is, that's who you get--there's no changing the player.
Number of Starting TMQBs: 2
Number of Starting RBs: 4
Number of Starting WRs: 5
Number of Starting TEs: 2
Number of Starting PKs: 2
Number of Starting Defs: 2
In addition, each team is allowed one flex, either a RB, WR, or TE.
If someone picked 5 straight RB, that team now has its RB and FLEX completed and needs all the other spots going forward.
The system is *SUPPOSED* to prevent people from having too many at any position, so if this team ends up with another RB somehow, let me know ASAP, as that is a no no.
You can elect to fill your flex spot whenever you want, but whoever that player is, that's who you get--there's no changing the player.
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
Ok, sounds good David. Thanks for clearing that up.
Jackal King
Footballguy
My Team would have been a beast...in 2004.
Jackal King
QB1 Daunte Culpepper / Joey Harrington
RB1 Shaun Alexander
RB2 Chester Taylor
RB3 Ahman Green
WR1 Chris Chambers
WR2 Deion Branch
WR3 Javon Walker
Jackal King
QB1 Daunte Culpepper / Joey Harrington
RB1 Shaun Alexander
RB2 Chester Taylor
RB3 Ahman Green
WR1 Chris Chambers
WR2 Deion Branch
WR3 Javon Walker
Dreamer
Footballguy
Code:
Jiggyonthehut 31 minutes 6 Jackal King 18 minutes 7 renesauz 11 minutes 7 Jimmy D 1 hour, 33 minutes 7 gocats 4 hours, 6 minutes 6 Reaper 16 minutes 6 Bruno2 1 hour, 29 minutes 6 Duckboy 1 hour, 56 minutes 6 Flying Porkchops 23 minutes 6 nightshift 1 hour, 2 minutes 6 Just Win Baby 37 minutes 6 bicylce seat sniffer 33 minutes 6 Pimpin' Ain't Easy 1 hour, 50 minutes 6 Thrown to the Frogs 48 minutes 6 Fiddles 54 minutes 6 Dreamers 15 minutes 6
Fiddles
Footballguy
no rbs through 7 rounds!nightshift were you in this thing last year?interesting strategy going indie qb and new england qb first 2 rds
Tau837
Footballguy
1.11: Ronnie Brown2.6: Torry Holt3.11: Todd Heap4.6: Fred Taylor5.11: Randy McMichael6.6: Lee Evans7.11: Green Bay Team QB8.6: Washington Team QBI'm pumped to get Washington as the 21st Team QB off the board. Last season they ranked 9th in this scoring system, passing numbers only (i.e., no QB rushing). And, if anything, I think they improved their passing game in the offseason.1.11: Ronnie Brown2.6: Torry Holt3.11: Todd Heap
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Interesting to say the least.Fiddles said:no rbs through 7 rounds!nightshift were you in this thing last year?interesting strategy going indie qb and new england qb first 2 rds
Jackal King
Footballguy
And three tight ends....so one is a flex.Interesting to say the least.Fiddles said:no rbs through 7 rounds!nightshift were you in this thing last year?interesting strategy going indie qb and new england qb first 2 rds
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
Funny thing is you act like your good to go with Barber III, and Dillion. I like your WR's but thats about it. Worry about your sqaud stud.Fiddles said:no rbs through 7 rounds!nightshift were you in this thing last year?interesting strategy going indie qb and new england qb first 2 rds
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Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
So was the Stallworth Pick, considering some of the other options. To each thier ownInteresting to say the least.Fiddles said:no rbs through 7 rounds!nightshift were you in this thing last year?interesting strategy going indie qb and new england qb first 2 rds
Fiddles
Footballguy
Don't mistake my intentions. I am not worrying about nightshifts team nor criticizing his drafting style. Part of the fun of this league for me is seeing others strategies. I thought nightshifts was different enough to share here. If I was criticizing I woulda made one of theseFunny thing is you act like your good to go with Barber III, and Dillion. I like your WR's but thats about it. Worry about your sqaud stud.Fiddles said:no rbs through 7 rounds!nightshift were you in this thing last year?interesting strategy going indie qb and new england qb first 2 rds
instead of one of these Knowing the scoring with the ppr, I feel im fairly balanced through 8 rounds with 1qb 2 rb 3 wr 2 teEdit to add I see you have no rbs either. 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yeah Donte is a high risk/reward type pick. Well see how ti goes. should have gone TESo was the Stallworth Pick, considering some of the other options. To each thier ownInteresting to say the least.Fiddles said:no rbs through 7 rounds!nightshift were you in this thing last year?interesting strategy going indie qb and new england qb first 2 rds
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Jimmy D emailed me his pick. The problem, of course, is that guy went almost 3 rounds ago. I will email him and hopefully he'll give me another specific choice. (He gave me some other instructions, but I'm not sure he would want who he vaguely wanted me to pick for him.)
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Pick made . . . moving on.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Mike Bell sighting. Good luck with that. Especially as an RB1.
nightshift
Footballguy
Actually thru 10 rounds & no RB in sight. I admit its different, but again, we are not going h2h here. Most points wins & TEs get double (2) points /reception.First timer with 2 QBs and a total point format. I wanted to stay away from the usual RB frenzy and go for the most points production player available and still needed on the roster.Might flop, might win, but we'll see!Don't mistake my intentions. I am not worrying about nightshifts team nor criticizing his drafting style. Part of the fun of this league for me is seeing others strategies. I thought nightshifts was different enough to share here. If I was criticizing I woulda made one of theseFunny thing is you act like your good to go with Barber III, and Dillion. I like your WR's but thats about it. Worry about your sqaud stud.no rbs through 7 rounds!nightshift were you in this thing last year?interesting strategy going indie qb and new england qb first 2 rds
Edit: team roster after 10 roundsQB: Indy, NERB:WR: Burress, KennisonTE: Gonzo, Vernon Davis, WinslowPK: VinatieriD: CAR, CHI
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
While my team has a hole at TE, I rather have WR/RB balance myself.
nightshift
Footballguy
Explain the need for team balance when you are not in a head to head or weekly format. The only win/loss here is by total point production.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Your not gonna win any league without RB production.
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nightshift
Footballguy
I'll have RB production - just not LJ level production. Quit dodgin' - explain the need for team balance in a total point foramt.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I said I'd rather have it. (balance) You think you can win a points championship without solid RB production?
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Reaper
Footballguy
My opinion and this can be debated up and down.. But, in this format we have to fill slots.. Looks like a few of us realized that at some point the value of the QB slot is basically locked in and we can wait til the last rounds since EVERYONE is guaranteed a Team QB.... Heck, I'll take the Jets. How much is a 10th round Team QB really going to outscore the 18th round over what you get at other positions?
But, for the RB slots, it's very possible you can wind up with ZERO'S there's no such guarantees... Yeah, the backups and 3rd stringers of the world may play and may turn into top 10 RB's but, to me that approach is the Ultimate Risk, swing for the fences approach, if a few RB's hit late, the rest of your team should be OK, well, if you drafted well elsewhere and that's a whole different debate.
So, to me, the name of the game is not only getting the best value and highest scoring players in the 1st part of the draft but, also looking head to avoid possible ZERO's in the later half.
That's what some sort of balance can bring.... Avoiding Zeros which will quickly eat up any percieved advantage of having an early QB over the QB in the LAST round of the draft.
Just throwing that out there......
Shoot me down if you must - I wasn't in Anarchy last year and could be missing the boat.
But, for the RB slots, it's very possible you can wind up with ZERO'S there's no such guarantees... Yeah, the backups and 3rd stringers of the world may play and may turn into top 10 RB's but, to me that approach is the Ultimate Risk, swing for the fences approach, if a few RB's hit late, the rest of your team should be OK, well, if you drafted well elsewhere and that's a whole different debate.
So, to me, the name of the game is not only getting the best value and highest scoring players in the 1st part of the draft but, also looking head to avoid possible ZERO's in the later half.
That's what some sort of balance can bring.... Avoiding Zeros which will quickly eat up any percieved advantage of having an early QB over the QB in the LAST round of the draft.
Just throwing that out there......
Shoot me down if you must - I wasn't in Anarchy last year and could be missing the boat.
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Tau837
Footballguy
This is also my first year in this format, and I'm not sure I like the decisions I have made, especially in the past few rounds. But I want to post on QB value in this format.
First, check out how NFL passing games fared in this scoring system last year (passing numbers only, no QB rushing included):
327.84 Indianapolis
316.80 Cincinnati
302.80 New England
269.80 San Diego
268.32 Seattle
261.48 Arizona
253.12 NY Giants
252.24 Washington
251.44 St. Louis
248.84 Carolina
241.60 Jacksonville
241.28 Oakland
237.64 Dallas
235.88 Tennessee
234.40 Kansas City
233.08 Philadelphia
232.00 Miami
223.08 Denver
215.04 Pittsburgh
210.64 Green Bay
201.84 Minnesota
195.16 Atlanta
189.60 Tampa Bay
183.52 Baltimore
176.60 Buffalo
176.12 Cleveland
175.72 New Orleans
167.92 Detroit
153.48 Houston
141.68 NY Jets
116.08 Chicago
81.92 San Francisco
Someone mentioned that it's fine to take the Jets. Well, last year there was a 91 point dropoff from Team QB 17 (Miami) to the Jets (Team QB 30). That's pretty steep. Granted, rushing numbers will change these numbers somewhat, but I think this is representative enough except for Atlanta. And obviously these are last year's numbers, so I'm not suggesting that they are representative of who should be at the bottom this year.
While I agree with waiting on QBs in the early rounds, that is a steep dropoff that occurred at the bottom of the QB list last year. It was one of my goals to avoid having to take one of the bottom 6 passing games. I achieved that by taking the 18th & 21st QBs off the board, Green Bay and Washington, and getting good value there IMO.
First, check out how NFL passing games fared in this scoring system last year (passing numbers only, no QB rushing included):
327.84 Indianapolis
316.80 Cincinnati
302.80 New England
269.80 San Diego
268.32 Seattle
261.48 Arizona
253.12 NY Giants
252.24 Washington
251.44 St. Louis
248.84 Carolina
241.60 Jacksonville
241.28 Oakland
237.64 Dallas
235.88 Tennessee
234.40 Kansas City
233.08 Philadelphia
232.00 Miami
223.08 Denver
215.04 Pittsburgh
210.64 Green Bay
201.84 Minnesota
195.16 Atlanta
189.60 Tampa Bay
183.52 Baltimore
176.60 Buffalo
176.12 Cleveland
175.72 New Orleans
167.92 Detroit
153.48 Houston
141.68 NY Jets
116.08 Chicago
81.92 San Francisco
Someone mentioned that it's fine to take the Jets. Well, last year there was a 91 point dropoff from Team QB 17 (Miami) to the Jets (Team QB 30). That's pretty steep. Granted, rushing numbers will change these numbers somewhat, but I think this is representative enough except for Atlanta. And obviously these are last year's numbers, so I'm not suggesting that they are representative of who should be at the bottom this year.
While I agree with waiting on QBs in the early rounds, that is a steep dropoff that occurred at the bottom of the QB list last year. It was one of my goals to avoid having to take one of the bottom 6 passing games. I achieved that by taking the 18th & 21st QBs off the board, Green Bay and Washington, and getting good value there IMO.
Fiddles
Footballguy
I was considering washington but you get no points if portis or randle el throws for tds. Not sure how often they will do that but was something to consider.
nightshift
Footballguy
In this format, quite possibly yes (never did it, so we'll see). Again, it is about point porduction and who is available. Example: in the first two rounds, I took Manning and Brady. Why? no other 2 players were left on the board that had their projected FF numbers. Same with Gonzo, etc. It wasn't that I did not want to take a RB, but becuase I am drafting for SEASON numbers (not weekly numbers), I thought it best to go for the top point producer available at each pick. The only other criteria I used was to pick players from likely playoff teams when possible.Like I said, we'll see. I know you said it, but you still haven't answered why you think you need balance. Balance squads work well in H2H formats. Almost a requirement. However, I can't see the need here.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yep my first year in this format too, I admit I slept on TE's too long. i think the gaping hole you & pimpin have at RB will prevent you from winning this league. A more balanced squad with solid production at RB & wr , and average te/qb production will win this league.
Reaper
Footballguy
Thanks for adding Numbers to my Theory from my ###....
The only thing I can say in my defense is that the team QB's at the bottom of the list were Not (And I'm talking out of my ### again)... For the most part, the Team QB's projected pre-season to finish at the bottom ....Looks like some of the bottom teams suffered major injuries like the Jets... I don't see the Jets or Chicago passing games being nearly as bad as they were last year IF healthy.I'd say, generally speaking your worst 5 Team QB's are going to include a good % of Injury Ravaged Offenses and you can't predict injuries.. So, I still say at some point in THIS draft the valu eof the QB spot is almost a lock, depending of course how you personally value the few Offenses left.
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
Well, we will see. My first time in a total points league also. To me it just seems like I should be able to make up most of the groud lost at RB, with production at Qb, and TE since everyone is required to play 2. I feel like everyone will have some dead weight on the bottom of thier roster. Mine will just happen to be at RB. Without PPR for RB's I just don't see them as being as productive as the other positions. Like I said. We will see.
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nightshift
Footballguy
Agreed. No PPR for RBs is exactly why the projections worked out with RBs not being the main points producers. Examples: 25th WR (Galloway) is projected to outproduce the 12th RB (E James).2nd TE (Gonzo) is projected to produce the same as 4th RB (Tiki).13th TE (Winslow) is projected to outproduce the 18th RB (MacGhee).1st DEF (Carolina) is projected to outproduce the 19th RB (Dunn). (Note: so will the 2nd DEF Chicago).Only LJ is projected to outproduce Peyton Manning.These numbers are based on this league's scoring system and I am only looking at annual production.Well, we will see. My first time in a total points league also. To me it just seems like I should be able to make up most of the groud lost at RB, with production at Qb, and TE since everyone is required to play 2. I feel like everyone will have some dead weight on the bottom of thier roster. Mine will just happen to be at RB. Without PPR for RB's I just don't see them as being as productive as the other positions. Like I said. We will see.
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Jackal King
Footballguy
I'll just add my particular twist to the strategy here. As a few have mentioned....balance is not as important as points. So, the absence of 4 RB's is not necessarily a death nell...but....I think you're going to need to find at least a moderate level of production out of the RB's you eventually get. If you get a whole season of low scores at RB...I think you're cooked....regardless of how well you do at the other positions.
I really emphasized the value of the post season when I made my selections. I ranked each of the conferences from best to worst...and I concluded that there were 5 teams I wouldn't pcik from unless there was very significant value. There were 15 teams that I would pick from if there was decent value. And, there were 12 teams that I would not be afraid to reach a little bit for.
My biggest problem is TE...as after the top 8-10....they all look the same. So, everytime it's been my turn to choose...someone shows up with a lot more value. So...I'm going to be scraping the barrel at TE. But...I'd much rather be looking for 2 over achieving TE's, than 4 over achieving RB's.
We'll see how everything works out. Injuries are going to be a BIG factor in who wins this thing, regardless of how all of us chose to develop a draft strategy.
I really emphasized the value of the post season when I made my selections. I ranked each of the conferences from best to worst...and I concluded that there were 5 teams I wouldn't pcik from unless there was very significant value. There were 15 teams that I would pick from if there was decent value. And, there were 12 teams that I would not be afraid to reach a little bit for.
My biggest problem is TE...as after the top 8-10....they all look the same. So, everytime it's been my turn to choose...someone shows up with a lot more value. So...I'm going to be scraping the barrel at TE. But...I'd much rather be looking for 2 over achieving TE's, than 4 over achieving RB's.
We'll see how everything works out. Injuries are going to be a BIG factor in who wins this thing, regardless of how all of us chose to develop a draft strategy.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
My general strategy has been to go where the points are. I would rather take a full time TE or WR with a decent chance of making the post season than a RB that is set up to split time or lose a big chunk of the workload.Unlike a HTH league, this is a marathon not a one week sprint. It doesn't matter where you get your points from, and I am convinced that a team can practically take ZEROES at some roster spots and still win provided they got a lot of points at their other roster spots.
Duckboy
IBL Representative
Adding a couple of things - because (well except for one flex slot) we know exactly how many RBs, WRs, etc will be drafted and we don't have to choose starters, VBD based on worst starter is of the utmost importance. Then it really becomes a game of chicken as to when you can get said value.The two killing factors will be injuries (as an eliminator for some and booster for others) and who makes the playoffs (bonus pts).
Jackal King
Footballguy
I don't disagree. However...I also don't think all zeros have the same impact. I think if you are going to concede a zero, aren't you better off doing so with a TE as opposed to a RB?In other words....isn't the overall 'loss' of points less if you take a zero at TE1 as opposed to RB1?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Actually, it's probably the opposite since by definition a TE gets bonus points for receptions while RBs don't. Either way, a zero is a zero. For example, last year the teams in the running scored over 3,000 total points. In theory, if you had 10 guys that scored 300 points and 8 zeroes, you'd have had a decent chance of winning.There will be ways to still have guys that score minimal points that hurt you less than others will--but I will let each person figure out in their own mind how to accomplish that. You're guaranteed 4 roster spots that CAN'T put up goose eggs in the team categories, so you really have 14 other player spots to worry about.The whole intent of the league was to get people to come up with different strategies and we certainly have seen a wide range of plans of attack.Joe T from last year insists that this league is based soley on luck--whoever has healhy players will win and those with injuries will lose. I don't think it's as simple as that, as even the winning teams had guys that got hurt or bombed production wise.
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
This exactly how I felt just about everytime I picked. Why take a Rb who will be in a RBBC situation, when I can grab a top 5 TE, or top 10 QB. It kept getting worse, and worse everytime I picked, so I just decided early to wait on Rb even if it meant winding up with nothing. I would have taken Edge in the first, but everytime after that I felt like the value was at another position.
Tau837
Footballguy
I'm using the DD to track the draft.
nightshift is putting the importance of drafting both RBs and WRs early to the test. Using the default (latest) projections in the DD and looking at team strength, nightshift has and will maintain the highest projected points at QB, TE, K, and Defense, and the highest overall point total thus far (with all teams complete through 12, expect jiggy). And his flex is covered by a very good TE (either Winslow or Vernon Davis, whichever you'd rank lower). However, he currently has only 1 RB and 2 WR.
Pimpin' is also testing this for RBs, but in a more "traditional" way than nightshift, with 5 WRs and 0 Ks drafted thus far, along with 2 QBs, 2 TEs, and 2 Defenses, but only 1 RB.
And my team, with only 2 RBs is kind of distantly bringing up the rear on the late RB strategy.
Probably the best thing about this league format is that it spurs a lot of creative draft strategies.
nightshift is putting the importance of drafting both RBs and WRs early to the test. Using the default (latest) projections in the DD and looking at team strength, nightshift has and will maintain the highest projected points at QB, TE, K, and Defense, and the highest overall point total thus far (with all teams complete through 12, expect jiggy). And his flex is covered by a very good TE (either Winslow or Vernon Davis, whichever you'd rank lower). However, he currently has only 1 RB and 2 WR.
Pimpin' is also testing this for RBs, but in a more "traditional" way than nightshift, with 5 WRs and 0 Ks drafted thus far, along with 2 QBs, 2 TEs, and 2 Defenses, but only 1 RB.
And my team, with only 2 RBs is kind of distantly bringing up the rear on the late RB strategy.
Probably the best thing about this league format is that it spurs a lot of creative draft strategies.
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nightshift
Footballguy
Points are points. Doesn't matter who produces them, as long as you get them. 0 = zero no matter where it's at on your roster.Let's say you drafted Ronnie Brown. Barring injuries, if both played to their projected levels, Gonzo (round 3 pick) would outproduce Brown (round 1 pick). So what happens if my later round picks outscore your earlier round picks?
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