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That's what I thought the first time I watched it. What Marlo actually says is "I'm responsible", but then he goes on to say he's responsible because he's been going after Omar, and Omar is coming back on people close to him (like Prop Joe). Then he ups the bounty on Omar. It's kind of hard to understand Marlo sometimes because he's a low talker.
TexanFan02 - that's what happened.
Exactly. Marlo says "I'm responsible" in the sense of, "my actions caused Joe's death", not "I killed Joe".
The Wire is a step above Homicide IMHO. It takes television to the next level. Homicide was much more structured. On The Wire there are so many different characters and story lines (which open up as the series progresses) that it actually turns some people away. To the untrained viewer, a singal viewing is usually not enough to grasp the complexity of most episodes. But for those who stick with it, the reward is indeed great. Every season ends with the various story lines connecting to provide a vivid interpretation of how the (many diversified) characters are at the mercy of something much bigger than themselves. Some people dislike the (almost) overwhelming number of characters (and institutions) portrayed on the show; but without them ALL, the primary theme of a city "rotting from within" would not be complete. Best series ever as far as im concerned.Tackling Dummies said:
The posters name is something like Open44. The post I'm talking about starts off with how the Omar plot line ends. The guy has posted over and over about how everyone is going to know he's right starting with episode 58. You're right that I should take it with a grain of salt, but that first story line goes hand in hand with what I instantly thought about during episode 57 in relation to Kenard.I hope he's full of BS.Take it with a grain of salt. They've been making predictions on those boards since the season began, they're not always correct. A lot of it is guesswork.edited to add: I just went over there and saw no less than 5 different outcomes for the series. I don't know which "spoiler" you were looking at, but I don't think I would put too much faith in it.I'm so pissed off. I made the mistake of checking out the Wire boards over at HBO and some dumb MF'er gave the spoilers for the entire season without giving everyone a heads up.
Not a spoiler, but I saw an interview posted somewhere with Michael K. Williams, the actor who plays Omar. Most of the interview was about how he's really a nice guy in real life, and how he adapted the Omar character on the The Wire. Then, at the end, this exchange happens:Interviewer: So, does Omar die in the final season?Michael K. Williams: It's Baltimore, baby.The posters name is something like Open44. The post I'm talking about starts off with how the Omar plot line ends. The guy has posted over and over about how everyone is going to know he's right starting with episode 58. You're right that I should take it with a grain of salt, but that first story line goes hand in hand with what I instantly thought about during episode 57 in relation to Kenard.I hope he's full of BS.Take it with a grain of salt. They've been making predictions on those boards since the season began, they're not always correct. A lot of it is guesswork.edited to add: I just went over there and saw no less than 5 different outcomes for the series. I don't know which "spoiler" you were looking at, but I don't think I would put too much faith in it.I'm so pissed off. I made the mistake of checking out the Wire boards over at HBO and some dumb MF'er gave the spoilers for the entire season without giving everyone a heads up.
You have to know it will happen. If they can kill off Stringer, they can kill anyone.Not a spoiler, but I saw an interview posted somewhere with Michael K. Williams, the actor who plays Omar. Most of the interview was about how he's really a nice guy in real life, and how he adapted the Omar character on the The Wire. Then, at the end, this exchange happens:Interviewer: So, does Omar die in the final season?Michael K. Williams: It's Baltimore, baby.The posters name is something like Open44. The post I'm talking about starts off with how the Omar plot line ends. The guy has posted over and over about how everyone is going to know he's right starting with episode 58. You're right that I should take it with a grain of salt, but that first story line goes hand in hand with what I instantly thought about during episode 57 in relation to Kenard.I hope he's full of BS.Take it with a grain of salt. They've been making predictions on those boards since the season began, they're not always correct. A lot of it is guesswork.edited to add: I just went over there and saw no less than 5 different outcomes for the series. I don't know which "spoiler" you were looking at, but I don't think I would put too much faith in it.I'm so pissed off. I made the mistake of checking out the Wire boards over at HBO and some dumb MF'er gave the spoilers for the entire season without giving everyone a heads up.
THEY KILL STRINGER?!?!?!?!?!You have to know it will happen. If they can kill off Stringer, they can kill anyone.Not a spoiler, but I saw an interview posted somewhere with Michael K. Williams, the actor who plays Omar. Most of the interview was about how he's really a nice guy in real life, and how he adapted the Omar character on the The Wire. Then, at the end, this exchange happens:Interviewer: So, does Omar die in the final season?Michael K. Williams: It's Baltimore, baby.The posters name is something like Open44. The post I'm talking about starts off with how the Omar plot line ends. The guy has posted over and over about how everyone is going to know he's right starting with episode 58. You're right that I should take it with a grain of salt, but that first story line goes hand in hand with what I instantly thought about during episode 57 in relation to Kenard.I hope he's full of BS.Take it with a grain of salt. They've been making predictions on those boards since the season began, they're not always correct. A lot of it is guesswork.edited to add: I just went over there and saw no less than 5 different outcomes for the series. I don't know which "spoiler" you were looking at, but I don't think I would put too much faith in it.I'm so pissed off. I made the mistake of checking out the Wire boards over at HBO and some dumb MF'er gave the spoilers for the entire season without giving everyone a heads up.
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Noooooo...I meant Clay Davis. I get those two characters confused.THEY KILL STRINGER?!?!?!?!?!You have to know it will happen. If they can kill off Stringer, they can kill anyone.Not a spoiler, but I saw an interview posted somewhere with Michael K. Williams, the actor who plays Omar. Most of the interview was about how he's really a nice guy in real life, and how he adapted the Omar character on the The Wire. Then, at the end, this exchange happens:Interviewer: So, does Omar die in the final season?Michael K. Williams: It's Baltimore, baby.The posters name is something like Open44. The post I'm talking about starts off with how the Omar plot line ends. The guy has posted over and over about how everyone is going to know he's right starting with episode 58. You're right that I should take it with a grain of salt, but that first story line goes hand in hand with what I instantly thought about during episode 57 in relation to Kenard.I hope he's full of BS.Take it with a grain of salt. They've been making predictions on those boards since the season began, they're not always correct. A lot of it is guesswork.edited to add: I just went over there and saw no less than 5 different outcomes for the series. I don't know which "spoiler" you were looking at, but I don't think I would put too much faith in it.I'm so pissed off. I made the mistake of checking out the Wire boards over at HBO and some dumb MF'er gave the spoilers for the entire season without giving everyone a heads up.
/kidding
It was pointed out before.
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I know they like to "disappoint" the fans with who wins and who loses. But Templeton is making up stories and Gus is onto him. I don't see any scenario where Gus goes down but he doesn't. Faking a story is the No. 1 crime in journalism.
This is true. There was a movie called "Shattered Glass" based on a true story about a guy who made up a bunch of articles for the New Republic. He got canned, and it was a big problem for the magazine. A newspaper would be quicker to fire someone who was making up facts. I think Templeton will continue to screw up until he gets busted and fired in disgrace. Possibly in conjunction with McNutty's fall from grace.
I was actually going to say that I think one of them hides the other person's failure... i.e., Templeton gets off because it comes out that McNutty is making it all up, or McNutty gets away with it because he pins it on Templeton. Obviously, it would be "easier" for Templeton to be the scapegoat.This is true. There was a movie called "Shattered Glass" based on a true story about a guy who made up a bunch of articles for the New Republic. He got canned, and it was a big problem for the magazine. A newspaper would be quicker to fire someone who was making up facts. I think Templeton will continue to screw up until he gets busted and fired in disgrace. Possibly in conjunction with McNutty's fall from grace.
Who knows how it will all turn out? If it gets far enough, you might get to a situation where Bunk has to perjure himself or give up McNutty. That would be a tough choice. Probably not enough episodes left, though.I was actually going to say that I think one of them hides the other person's failure... i.e., Templeton gets off because it comes out that McNutty is making it all up, or McNutty gets away with it because he pins it on Templeton. Obviously, it would be "easier" for Templeton to be the scapegoat.This is true. There was a movie called "Shattered Glass" based on a true story about a guy who made up a bunch of articles for the New Republic. He got canned, and it was a big problem for the magazine. A newspaper would be quicker to fire someone who was making up facts. I think Templeton will continue to screw up until he gets busted and fired in disgrace. Possibly in conjunction with McNutty's fall from grace.
Yep. One of the institutions is the drug trade. That's why I don't understand McNutty and Lester risking so much to go after Marlo. What happens if they get him? Another Marlo, or another Avon. It goes on and on. Frustrating, but reality. Only large scale social policy action could begin to fix the problem, and a cash strapped Baltimore isn't going to do that any time soon. Bunny Colvin had the best solution, but it didn't jibe with the (failed) Federal "War on Drugs", so he got crushed.
I saw rumor on profootballtalk that this isn't true
As I predicted after episode two this year:This show ends as it started - McNulty and Lester back in the doghouse, with McNulty about to lose his job.As for Marlo, he goes down - hard. His entire organization is gone by seasons end. A new dog rises. How do the (not even) Greek fit into it?
I think the risks Freamon and McNulty are taking to get Marlo are more of a statement on their attitude towards the institution that is failing them than it is about Marlo. It's the principle of the matter. They know who the bad guy is, so if the do the job they were hired to do, like "real police," they catch the bad guy. The problem is that the institution cares less about catching the bad guy than making it look like they are trying to catch the bad guy. Perception reigns over substance. The machine matters more than the individual. The worst thing a character on this show can do is care about something. When they start to care about something there are tragic consequences. If you play the game and don't care about anything, you are rewarded.Guys like Freamon, McNulty and Gus are dinosaurs living in the days just before their extinction. Only they can see it happening before their eyes and know their is little they can do. I think this is why Freamon and McNulty are throwing all rationale, and their futures, out the window to catch Marlo.
Bunny Colvin, Stringer Bell, Prop Joe all tried to reshape age old institutions (the drug trade and the Police Department). But what they failed to realize is that "the game is the rigged". Nobody REALLY wins; one side just loses a little more slowly.
I can understand that rationale for McNulty, but Freamon has consistently been written to know better. From Season 1, he's preached that its all about following the money to the game behind the game. Now, in the final season, Lester is singularly obsessed with getting a street Kingpin who will just be replaced by the next one. And Lester knows that. Hell, he's TOLD McNulty that there always be another guy.Lester doesn't even seem particularly invested in the Clay Davis case, and the Lester we've seen for the last four seasons would have taken that a lot harder than anything to do with Marlo. I still think The Wire is a great show, but Season 5 has some real problems IMO. Its not just that the serial killer plot forces us to expend our disbelief (because Hamsterdam forced that too), but that the plot just has characters acting in a way that seems inconsistent with the show itself.
Maybe not, though. McNutty and Lester always liked to think that because they're aware of the game that they're somehow above it or immune to it, but maybe this is a realization that, when it comes down to it, they're not.Which is exactly what the theme of this show has been from day one.
Besides, Marlo is the guy in front of them, so that is the target.If they knew or even suspected the Greek was behind it and was still in the B-more area, I am sure they'd try to chase that angle - they did sol in season 2, right?Theoretically, they have those guys tied in some way to the illegal port activity, and they were responsible for the can with the dead girls, right?
Remember that Marlow isnt just a drug kingpin. They found 22 bodies in those vacant homes and not a single one of them has been officially solved. Lester felt that they were close to wrapping up all of them if they had real support for real police work.
I haven't forgotten any of that. I still think its untrue to Lester's character. At the least, they could have had someone call Lester out so that he could have defended himself on those grounds. Its not as if the 22 murders were unprecedented. When the bodies weren't being found, they were low on bodies. The bodies were just being hidden.Lester isn't trying to get up on the bodies. I don't see him working any of the files that Bunk's working. He's trying to get up on Marlo's drug operations. He's tying his resources into disrupting the street level drug game. Which is fine for what its worth, but Lester wouldn't be implicit in McNulty's nutty serial killer game for that. I just think its a shame because this is a show that has built these type of details up from the first season. If they needed a fantastical storyline to get the dominos to fall, that's fine, but that isn't what has happened. As it is, the serial killer and newsroom plots seem to exist for their own sake. I don't feel that either one of them have illuminated the problems in Baltimore the way the school or stevedores arcs did.
I don't think Lester is looking at Bunks files because he "knows" or has convinced himself that the bodies belong to Marlow. Now he is just trying to find a way to prove it
I think he's the one who played Colvin's lieutenant- the one who made Major after Colvin was released.ETA: Yep, here it is: http://www.hbo.com/thewire/cast/characters...nis_mello.shtml
What episode are you up to??
I can't help but think, though, that many things that happened in Episode 58 could have, or maybe should have, happened earlier in the season.
Don't forget that Lester spent 14 years 3 months (or something like that) on a desk job because he butted heads with Rawls. He only appears more level headed now. How he's acting now could be the Lester that messed up his career 18 years ago.
That Lester refused to cover up a crime:
The Pawn Shop duty... that was classic
