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shadyridr
Footballguy
:spitthroughteeth:
Nice piece by Klosterman on Grantland today
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6763000/bad-decisions
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
even if they are composites, the characters in the show are generally all based on real people. even though the specific events didn't happen, I think the realism of the show is what helps set it apart. So, not really sure I get his point here, other than looking for a way to ##### about fans of the show.
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jdoggydogg
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Haven't seen the show in several years. But when it was on the air, it was my favorite TV show week to week.'Fiddles said:
Landsman. 
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
They showed them both.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I love the grudge Valchek has with Frank Sobotka. Valchek couldn't care the slightest about building a case against an international smuggling ring linked to murder, human trafficking, and illegal drugs; he just wants to see this pollack pay for one upping his stained glass window. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=mCWSKbUXWik'Please See Mine said:
nsfw
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Kenny Powers
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Idris Elba gets 2 Emmy nominations this year but none for Stringer Bell 
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
The work that HBO, Showtime, and AMC have been doing all these years is so much better than most network TV, it's pretty clear the Emmys are worthless at this point. If these awards were truly objective, the networks would get destroyed in most categories every year.Idris Elba gets 2 Emmy nominations this year but none for Stringer Bell
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
After The Wire failed to get any meaningful Emmy nominations for the 4th season, I sent them an email that might have accused the Emmy voters of being racist. I'll paraphrase the response I got back "We aren't racist, look at all the Emmys we gave to Roots".The work that HBO, Showtime, and AMC have been doing all these years is so much better than most network TV, it's pretty clear the Emmys are worthless at this point. If these awards were truly objective, the networks would get destroyed in most categories every year.Idris Elba gets 2 Emmy nominations this year but none for Stringer Bell
corpcow
Footballguy
For what it's worth, Breaking Bad was my "must watch" every week, even when up against other Simon shows that I loved like Generation Kill and Treme. Even over Dexter. Breaking Bad is GOOD ####.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Just finished. Fantastic 
Thought it was very fitting how they had everyone following in the footsteps of other characters ie Micheal/Omar, Daquan/Bubbs, Carver/Colvin
ETA: Anyone read Snoop's memoirs, Grace After Midnight?
Thought it was very fitting how they had everyone following in the footsteps of other characters ie Micheal/Omar, Daquan/Bubbs, Carver/Colvin
ETA: Anyone read Snoop's memoirs, Grace After Midnight?
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jdoggydogg
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After The Wire failed to get any meaningful Emmy nominations for the 4th season, I sent them an email that might have accused the Emmy voters of being racist. I'll paraphrase the response I got back "We aren't racist, look at all the Emmys we gave to Roots".The work that HBO, Showtime, and AMC have been doing all these years is so much better than most network TV, it's pretty clear the Emmys are worthless at this point. If these awards were truly objective, the networks would get destroyed in most categories every year.Idris Elba gets 2 Emmy nominations this year but none for Stringer Bell
Kenny Powers
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Loved the finale and last few episodes, but it still bothers me how Omar got killed and that Kima ratted out McNulty. I can live with it, but I didnt like those 2 decisions.Just finished. Fantastic
Thought it was very fitting how they had everyone following in the footsteps of other characters ie Micheal/Omar, Daquan/Bubbs, Carver/Colvin
ETA: Anyone read Snoop's memoirs, Grace After Midnight?
Harry Manback
Footballguy
Yup, she distracted him and Michael aced him.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
You're both wrong. Bodie was killed by O-Dog.
http://www.hbo.com/the-wire/episodes#/the-wire/episodes/4/50-final-grades/synopsis.html
http://www.hbo.com/the-wire/episodes#/the-wire/episodes/4/50-final-grades/synopsis.html
firing a few shots in the air and ducking behind cars IIRC
njherdfan
Footballguy
I think Omar had to die. A big part of the show was how the nature of "the game" was cyclical, and how different characters would take over for those who died or left. I think Michael needed to fill Omar's shoes.Loved the finale and last few episodes, but it still bothers me how Omar got killed and that Kima ratted out McNulty. I can live with it, but I didnt like those 2 decisions.Just finished. Fantastic
Thought it was very fitting how they had everyone following in the footsteps of other characters ie Micheal/Omar, Daquan/Bubbs, Carver/Colvin
ETA: Anyone read Snoop's memoirs, Grace After Midnight?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I don't think anyone "had" to do anything. We saw the cyclical nature of things where people were replaced in roles who didn't die. Bubbles didn't die, and he was replaced as "the junkie" by Duquan.The take-away from Omar's death is just how saturated with violence inner cities like this are. He nearly survived two different/separate drug crews trying to kill him (although you could credit Marlo's gang with an assist, I suppose), but was taken out by a kid. Violence was everywhere.I think Omar had to die. A big part of the show was how the nature of "the game" was cyclical, and how different characters would take over for those who died or left. I think Michael needed to fill Omar's shoes.Loved the finale and last few episodes, but it still bothers me how Omar got killed and that Kima ratted out McNulty. I can live with it, but I didnt like those 2 decisions.Just finished. Fantastic
Thought it was very fitting how they had everyone following in the footsteps of other characters ie Micheal/Omar, Daquan/Bubbs, Carver/Colvin
ETA: Anyone read Snoop's memoirs, Grace After Midnight?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Would have been cool though.
The_Man
Footballguy
I had what passes for a celebrity sighting in Baltimore last night - David Simon was eating at the table next to ours. Baltimore might be the only city where he's famous enough that anyone even knows what he looks like. My wife saw Griggs in the produce section of Whole Foods back when they were filming the final season.
Omar is probably almost a hero that many don't want to admit to. If you ever lived in a bad neighborhood where drug dealers ruled, you know the cops aren't doing much. A guy like Omar would be the only one to stand up to these guys. (Not saying I ever knew of such a guy)There's something special about a guy that would walk down those dangerous streets with a shotgun kicking ... taking names. I doubt anyone that frequents these boards would do it. Schwarzenneger(sp?) or Stallone might in of their movies but there would be a shotgun with 10,000 shells somehow loaded into it and even some sort of explosive effect shells to it to'Good said:
mar's character had some HUGE cujones to do what he did.
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Harry Manback
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Heh, all this time I thought that was Michael.'Good said:
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I had no problem with Omar dieing but the way it happened was pretty weak. I thought it would be Chris/Snoop/Micheal/Marlo that got him, not some 9 year old kid popping him from behind.Kima ratting McNulty out was to show the difference between good police and bad I thought. McNulty and Freeman seemed to think she did the right thing at the end.'Kenny Powers said:Loved the finale and last few episodes, but it still bothers me how Omar got killed and that Kima ratted out McNulty. I can live with it, but I didnt like those 2 decisions.'Cliff Clavin said:Just finished. Fantastic
Thought it was very fitting how they had everyone following in the footsteps of other characters ie Micheal/Omar, Daquan/Bubbs, Carver/Colvin
ETA: Anyone read Snoop's memoirs, Grace After Midnight?
corpcow
Footballguy
That was the beauty of it, IMO. Here's this bad ### dude everyone's afraid of, knocking off the best of the best, and a 9 yr old who he doesn't fear ends up being the one to do it.I had no problem with Omar dieing but the way it happened was pretty weak. I thought it would be Chris/Snoop/Micheal/Marlo that got him, not some 9 year old kid popping him from behind.Kima ratting McNulty out was to show the difference between good police and bad I thought. McNulty and Freeman seemed to think she did the right thing at the end.'Kenny Powers said:Loved the finale and last few episodes, but it still bothers me how Omar got killed and that Kima ratted out McNulty. I can live with it, but I didnt like those 2 decisions.'Cliff Clavin said:Just finished. Fantastic
Thought it was very fitting how they had everyone following in the footsteps of other characters ie Micheal/Omar, Daquan/Bubbs, Carver/Colvin
ETA: Anyone read Snoop's memoirs, Grace After Midnight?
jwb
Footballguy
I think the kid killing Omar was perfect, and illustrated just how brutal the game really is. In a sense, you can't hide from it.As a character, I don't think anyone wanted to see him die, but I do agree that it seems fitting that he did.I had no problem with Omar dieing but the way it happened was pretty weak. I thought it would be Chris/Snoop/Micheal/Marlo that got him, not some 9 year old kid popping him from behind.Kima ratting McNulty out was to show the difference between good police and bad I thought. McNulty and Freeman seemed to think she did the right thing at the end.'Kenny Powers said:Loved the finale and last few episodes, but it still bothers me how Omar got killed and that Kima ratted out McNulty. I can live with it, but I didnt like those 2 decisions.'Cliff Clavin said:Just finished. Fantastic
Thought it was very fitting how they had everyone following in the footsteps of other characters ie Micheal/Omar, Daquan/Bubbs, Carver/Colvin
ETA: Anyone read Snoop's memoirs, Grace After Midnight?
jwb
Footballguy
It's in the script.Seriously, this kind of points out what that recently posted article was mentioning about fans almost acting as though it were real. It's a show... but somehow, it was more than a show.Omar is probably almost a hero that many don't want to admit to. If you ever lived in a bad neighborhood where drug dealers ruled, you know the cops aren't doing much. A guy like Omar would be the only one to stand up to these guys. (Not saying I ever knew of such a guy)There's something special about a guy that would walk down those dangerous streets with a shotgun kicking ... taking names. I doubt anyone that frequents these boards would do it. Schwarzenneger(sp?) or Stallone might in of their movies but there would be a shotgun with 10,000 shells somehow loaded into it and even some sort of explosive effect shells to it to'Good said:
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Yeah, I gotta agree with both of you. I think I just wanted to him to go out in a better way. Getting capped by a kid was pretty fitting for the show.Has there every been a show that has shifted its 'main' characters so easily? Killing them off after a couple seasons, locking them up, just ignoring them (McNulty in particular).
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
That's what I was getting at. It's not that I had a problem with them killing him off, its how they did it. Sure, it fits the show in its overarching themes and lessons, but I thought he deserved a better death. I can see the irony of how he died, but not the beauty of itThat was the beauty of it, IMO. Here's this bad ### dude everyone's afraid of, knocking off the best of the best, and a 9 yr old who he doesn't fear ends up being the one to do it.I had no problem with Omar dieing but the way it happened was pretty weak. I thought it would be Chris/Snoop/Micheal/Marlo that got him, not some 9 year old kid popping him from behind.Kima ratting McNulty out was to show the difference between good police and bad I thought. McNulty and Freeman seemed to think she did the right thing at the end.'Kenny Powers said:Loved the finale and last few episodes, but it still bothers me how Omar got killed and that Kima ratted out McNulty. I can live with it, but I didnt like those 2 decisions.'Cliff Clavin said:Just finished. Fantastic
Thought it was very fitting how they had everyone following in the footsteps of other characters ie Micheal/Omar, Daquan/Bubbs, Carver/Colvin
ETA: Anyone read Snoop's memoirs, Grace After Midnight?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't think the Wire ever aimed to be beautiful. Also don't sleep on Kenard, kid always had balls of steel. He will be a force later in life, ruthless.That's what I was getting at. It's not that I had a problem with them killing him off, its how they did it. Sure, it fits the show in its overarching themes and lessons, but I thought he deserved a better death. I can see the irony of how he died, but not the beauty of itThat was the beauty of it, IMO. Here's this bad ### dude everyone's afraid of, knocking off the best of the best, and a 9 yr old who he doesn't fear ends up being the one to do it.I had no problem with Omar dieing but the way it happened was pretty weak. I thought it would be Chris/Snoop/Micheal/Marlo that got him, not some 9 year old kid popping him from behind.Kima ratting McNulty out was to show the difference between good police and bad I thought. McNulty and Freeman seemed to think she did the right thing at the end.'Kenny Powers said:Loved the finale and last few episodes, but it still bothers me how Omar got killed and that Kima ratted out McNulty. I can live with it, but I didnt like those 2 decisions.'Cliff Clavin said:Just finished. Fantastic
Thought it was very fitting how they had everyone following in the footsteps of other characters ie Micheal/Omar, Daquan/Bubbs, Carver/Colvin
ETA: Anyone read Snoop's memoirs, Grace After Midnight?
The Noid
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And, to top it off, the same kid that years earlier was running around the street pretending to be Omar after a big shootout in his neighborhood.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, it wasn't just some random kid. Kenard was in the game 100%. He was dealing for Michael and Marlo. His crew was held up at gunpoint by Omar. The fitting thing is that just as Omar ignored always kind of ignored Kenard, so did the audience. We never saw him for the threat he was. It was just as shocking to Omar that this kid killed him as it was for the audience.
culdeus
Footballguy
McNulty's actor had a hiatus so he could do a side project in England which conflicted with a large portion of the shooting schedule.
culdeus
Footballguy
Yeah, I figured it would be something like that which would get Omar. I knew going in his death was inevitable so maybe I was watching for clues. Everything in the show had an arc and a circle which brought things around. Dealer circles rise and fall, individuals rise up and die and are replaced, the city, schools, politicians, and industry enable it and profit from it. No beginning and no end.
been listening to the soundtrack for The Wire lately. It's pretty good.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
IIRC, their crew got held up by Omar when he was still limping around with crutches, and Kenard made a comment about how Omar didn't look like much. That planted the seed in Kenard for him to take out Omar. Basically everyone in the neighborhood feared Omar except for this little kid.'Ilov80s said:
belljr
Footballguy
Not reading anything to avoid spoilers, I accidentally caught one up in the thread and it partially ruined a scene for me only partial.
Just finished season 4 and while people said it was great I still think season 3 was a better overall season.
Quick question to anyone to answer. The finale of 4 was the girl with cuddy at the gym during the montage the nurse??
TIA..
just started season5. Only 10 episodes?
Just finished season 4 and while people said it was great I still think season 3 was a better overall season.
Quick question to anyone to answer. The finale of 4 was the girl with cuddy at the gym during the montage the nurse??
TIA..
just started season5. Only 10 episodes?
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Yes.Omar's death and who killed him is one of the show's masterstrokes.'Carver said:
Kenard reminded me of the bad kid in City of God. Don't think he was scared of anything.
hooter311
Footballguy
Writer's strike.
I don't think this is true. From what I can tell, the show wrapped filming before the strike hit.I think it had something to do with the show not making much money for HBO. They probably cut the budget and Simon figured 10 episodes was enough to wrap things up.EDIT: filming wrapped on 9/1/2007. Strike began 11/5/2007.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yes, it was the nurse who initially wrote him off as a gangster when he came in after having been shot trying to pull Michael off the corner.
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