UFC wagering: breaking news - judging is so terrible it got me to return here to update this thread title

[EYLive 5,192]

They're handing out meaningless titles like candy. I think those things go for $600 or something on ufcshop.com.

[Punxsutawney Phil 895]

Khabib did Danis a huge favor.  Nobody knew who that guy was, but now he will probably get a huge UFC contract when he is finished dominating in the B leagues.

[NewlyRetired 16,471]

8 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

awesome new angle of the melee

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1049717134346121219

Watch the guy in the grey blazer right next to Khabib on the outside apron.  Look at the lighting fast reflexes to recognize and stop the jump into the crowd

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I know people were making fun of Herb Dean for not getting him  in time but look at where Herb was standing when Khabib started climbing

Edited October 10, 2018 by NewlyRetired

[EYLive 5,192]

44 minutes ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

Khabib did Danis a huge favor.  Nobody knew who that guy was, but now he will probably get a huge UFC contract when he is finished dominating in the B leagues.

I doubt he dominates the Bellator welterweight division. There are plenty of mid-card level guys ther that would gladly smash his face, and even more in the UFC that would target him for an easy W. 

[AhrnCityPahnder 4,601]

1 hour ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

Khabib did Danis a huge favor.  Nobody knew who that guy was, but now he will probably get a huge UFC contract when he is finished dominating in the B leagues.

Currently in "the B league" in his weight class are: Douglas Lima, Andrey Koreshkov,  Gerald Harris, Jon Fitch, Rory MacDonald, Erick Silva, Lorenz Larkin, and Paul Daley. 

Danis loses every single one of those fights.  He's not going to dominate anything. 

[Borden 1,078]

5 hours ago, EYLive said:

They're handing out meaningless titles like candy. I think those things go for $600 or something on ufcshop.com.

Schedule a fight at HW for DC then two cards later strip him of the LHW so Jones can fight for a title. Garbage. It feels like Dana White is just trying to maximize immediate returns at the expense of the long strength of the sport/league. I wouldn’t be surprised if he cashes out just before the wheels fall off. Feels like that’s what he’s setting up.

[Clayton Gray 2,112]

On 10/9/2018 at 8:56 PM, modogg said:

hmm, this DC-Lewis thing may have some legs. You have to like when the fights get personal:

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/10/derrick-lewis-daniel-cormier-ufc-230-popeyes

How have I never seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0CfNA12aFw

[Bossman 1,768]

On 10/6/2018 at 0:03 PM, Bossman said:

just a casual UFC fan ... I think Khabib is going to make hamburger out of McGregor on the ground ...

and I think McGregor is aware of this. Wasn't as much trash talk by McGregor for this one. He knows he'll have his hands full.

Haven't seen the fight yet ... just reports.

Safe to say this is how it went down?

[NewlyRetired 16,471]

56 minutes ago, Bossman said:

Haven't seen the fight yet ... just reports.

Safe to say this is how it went down?

it went down how every Khabib fight goes down.  Once he got a hold of Conor he never let go.  Khabib also struck the most significant blow when standing that knocked Conor on his butt.

[NewlyRetired 16,471]

Was TUF on tonight?  I can't find it in my DVR list...

[Good Posting Judge 13,667]

Here's an interesting angle/slo-mo of Khabib's shot (the second one) that dropped Conor. You can see McGregor starting to square up to stop the take-down, as he sees Khabib duck his head. He's not set at all when he gets hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsSK4WEfGkM

 

[NewlyRetired 16,471]

wow what a mess.  Khabib looks like he is ready to go down with the ship if his "brother" is fired from the company...

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https://i.imgur.com/XBVNPpP.jpg

Edited October 11, 2018 by NewlyRetired

[AhrnCityPahnder 4,601]

1 hour ago, NewlyRetired said:

wow what a mess.  Khabib looks like he is ready to go down with the ship if his "brother" is fired from the company...

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https://i.imgur.com/XBVNPpP.jpg

I'm glad Khabib is calling dana out for his Connor-Nut-massaging.   good for him.  

[encaitar 1,877]

2 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

wow what a mess.  Khabib looks like he is ready to go down with the ship if his "brother" is fired from the company...

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https://i.imgur.com/XBVNPpP.jpg

A lot of reading into his mindset there.  You can see how he equates talking about his religion, family, and country as nearly as bad as the bus incident.  Obviously from a very different culture.  

The problem that Khabib has is that yes.... Connor deserved a suspension for the bus incident.  Only, it didn't happen in front of 5 million people.  It didn't put innocent bystanders at risk.  It didn't happen in front of the governor of Nevada and every major athletic commission suit.  

It's sad that he's probably gonna nuke his own career over this grudge, but it is what it is.  He could've been the sport's biggest star if not for losing his head for 3 minutes following the fight.

[NewlyRetired 16,471]

11 minutes ago, encaitar said:

It's sad that he's probably gonna nuke his own career over this grudge, but it is what it is. 

How does this work from a legal aspect?  If he is under contract and the UFC will not release him from said contract, I assume he can't fight in other organizations until his UFC contract is fulfilled or torn up?

[Clayton Gray 2,112]

31 minutes ago, encaitar said:

It didn't put innocent bystanders at risk.

There were other fighters on the bus.

20 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

32 minutes ago, encaitar said:

It's sad that he's probably gonna nuke his own career over this grudge, but it is what it is. 

How does this work from a legal aspect?  If he is under contract and the UFC will not release him from said contract, I assume he can't fight in other organizations until his UFC contract is fulfilled or torn up?

I'd say there's about a 0.000001% chance Nurmagomedov fights somewhere other than the UFC. I'd also say Dana White saying so-and-so "will never fight in the UFC" isn't exactly an ironclad statement. There have been a notable number of fighters appear in the UFC after White said that about them.

[Mike Damone 340]

Khabib should join the wwe culture &  just change his “brother”’s name 

[cockroach 2,591]

There was talk of him possibly retiring after this fight anyway, so not a huge deal. 

And despite defeating and dominating the sport's biggest name, he'd never be a huge star himself, IMO, based on his un-fan-friendly style and broken-English language barrier.  

[Sebowski 3,974]

4 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

wow what a mess.  Khabib looks like he is ready to go down with the ship if his "brother" is fired from the company...

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https://i.imgur.com/XBVNPpP.jpg

That should have been a text to Dana. Not a public ultimatum. 

[Mike Damone 340]

7 minutes ago, Sebowski said:

That should have been a text to Dana. Not a public ultimatum. 

Texting from Dagestan is kind of touch and go

[encaitar 1,877]

1 hour ago, Clayton Gray said:

There were other fighters on the bus.

I'd say there's about a 0.000001% chance Nurmagomedov fights somewhere other than the UFC. I'd also say Dana White saying so-and-so "will never fight in the UFC" isn't exactly an ironclad statement. There have been a notable number of fighters appear in the UFC after White said that about them.

All of whom were present for the attack on Lobov, like I said no innocent bystanders were involved.

 

As for fighting elsewhere, he still under contract.  He could fight, but UFC could and would sue for damages if that happened.

 

I agree.  Dana "didn't know" if Conor would ever fight again after the bus incident.  I'm betting this just becomes noise for the rematch.

[kutta 5,497]

5 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

wow what a mess.  Khabib looks like he is ready to go down with the ship if his "brother" is fired from the company...

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https://i.imgur.com/XBVNPpP.jpg

That’s awesome. I’m liking Khabib more and more.

[NewlyRetired 16,471]

7 minutes ago, encaitar said:

All of whom were present for the attack on Lobov, like I said no innocent bystanders were involved.

There were fighters on the bus who had nothing to do with this mess. I don't think Borg, Herrig, Rose, Kowalkiewicz, or Chiesa were involved with the confrontation on Lobov.

[encaitar 1,877]

23 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

There were fighters on the bus who had nothing to do with this mess. I don't think Borg, Herrig, Rose, Kowalkiewicz, or Chiesa were involved with the confrontation on Lobov.

I thought most of his entourage was there when he attacked Lobov, but I stand corrected.

[Maik Jeaunz 1,441]

2 hours ago, Clayton Gray said:

There were other fighters on the bus.

I'd say there's about a 0.000001% chance Nurmagomedov fights somewhere other than the UFC. I'd also say Dana White saying so-and-so "will never fight in the UFC" isn't exactly an ironclad statement. There have been a notable number of fighters appear in the UFC after White said that about them.

Dana never lies.

[Clayton Gray 2,112]

47 minutes ago, encaitar said:

2 hours ago, Clayton Gray said:

There were other fighters on the bus.

I'd say there's about a 0.000001% chance Nurmagomedov fights somewhere other than the UFC. I'd also say Dana White saying so-and-so "will never fight in the UFC" isn't exactly an ironclad statement. There have been a notable number of fighters appear in the UFC after White said that about them.

All of whom were present for the attack on Lobov, like I said no innocent bystanders were involved.

I'm talking about Michael Chiesa, Ray Borg, Rose Namajunas, and the other UFC fighters on the bus. Please research the incident.

[ILUVBEER99 1,369]

All these guys are full of it. Khabib will fight when offered 25+ million again for Connor rematch (with cut of PPV i think Khabib might have made that from weekend fight) whether his brother is allowed to fight in UFC or not.  In the end Dana will probably let the brother back in anyway.

Dana acted like it was the worst thing ever right after the fight.  The day after on TMZ he was laughing and said he was happy once he saw the PPV numbers roll in.

All the talk is nonsense.  All of them mainly care about the money and won't turn down a huge payout.

[EYLive 5,192]

3 hours ago, cockroach said:

There was talk of him possibly retiring after this fight anyway, so not a huge deal. 

And despite defeating and dominating the sport's biggest name, he'd never be a huge star himself, IMO, based on his un-fan-friendly style and broken-English language barrier.  

Really? I love his aggressive ground and pound style and I find his broken English endearing.  
As long as he keeps kicking everyone's ###, he'll be a big enough star.

[cockroach 2,591]

3 hours ago, EYLive said:

Really? I love his aggressive ground and pound style and I find his broken English endearing.  
As long as he keeps kicking everyone's ###, he'll be a big enough star.

You might, but that stuff isn't mainstream and culturally people in the USA are not going to want to root for a Russian Muslim.

[NewlyRetired 16,471]

It is hard not to love Nate even when the universal translator is broken

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Nathan Diaz‏Verified account @NateDiaz209

@danawhite please let kabobs ####### friend stay in @ufc Fire me it will be bettter this way. I think it’s more fair that way ...

[AhrnCityPahnder 4,601]

23 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

It is hard not to love Nate even when the universal translator is broken

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Nathan Diaz‏Verified account @NateDiaz209

@danawhite please let kabobs ####### friend stay in @ufc Fire me it will be bettter this way. I think it’s more fair that way ...

We need to get Nate Diaz as a guest on the reboot of the Doctor Gunks show

[Good Posting Judge 13,667]

1 hour ago, AhrnCityPahnder said:

We need to get Nate Diaz as a guest on the reboot of the Doctor Gunks show

Same general neck of the woods, it makes sense.

[Good Posting Judge 13,667]

8 hours ago, ILUVBEER99 said:

 

All the talk is nonsense.  All of them mainly care about the money and won't turn down a huge payout.

I think this is where there's a pretty big cultural disconnect betw White/McGregor and Nurmagomedov. McTappy even said in the ring that it was "just business", whereas it's clearly pretty Serious Business(tm) for Khabib. Also pretty sure that Denis calling KN a "muslim ####" during the fight wasn't in service of selling the fight that was already happening.

 

[EYLive 5,192]

4 hours ago, cockroach said:

You might, but that stuff isn't mainstream and culturally people in the USA are not going to want to root for a Russian Muslim.

MMA is global. There are 130 million Russians and 1.8 billion Muslims. Khabib's popularity will be fine, especially if he never loses. 

[Mike Damone 340]

8 hours ago, cockroach said:

You might, but that stuff isn't mainstream and culturally people in the USA are not going to want to root for a Russian Muslim.

Khabob is the perfect wwe heel for 2018. An updated version of the Iron Sheik 

[GOB 2,567]

On 10/11/2018 at 1:47 AM, Good Posting Judge said:

Here's an interesting angle/slo-mo of Khabib's shot (the second one) that dropped Conor. You can see McGregor starting to square up to stop the take-down, as he sees Khabib duck his head. He's not set at all when he gets hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsSK4WEfGkM

 

Not to bring fight talk into this soap opera thread but Conor's takedown defense is very unique and predicated on him posting with his lead hand to gauge his opponent's momentum/level.

Major major props to Khabib and his team for exploiting it and easily.

He outclassed Conor. Though I don't think any MMA fan should be shocked of the outcome. Khabib is something else.

[AhrnCityPahnder 4,601]

Quote

 

khabib nurmagomedov‏Verified account @TeamKhabib

@WWE ask me to jump inside. What do you think guys? #SmashLesnar #FakeFights

 

 

[Clayton Gray 2,112]

4 hours ago, AhrnCityPahnder said:

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khabib nurmagomedov‏Verified account @TeamKhabib

@WWE ask me to jump inside. What do you think guys? #SmashLesnar #FakeFights

I think they better not script any religious or heritage jokes into a Nurmagodmedov storyline.

[cockroach 2,591]

13 hours ago, EYLive said:

MMA is global. There are 130 million Russians and 1.8 billion Muslims. Khabib's popularity will be fine, especially if he never loses. 

And they're both broken up into a bunch of sects that hate each other.  And while each group has some super rich, I think they're generally pretty poor and don't buy a lot of PPVs.  GSP was a star for awhile though, so maybe. 

[Good Posting Judge 13,667]

2 hours ago, cockroach said:

And they're both broken up into a bunch of sects that hate each other.  And while each group has some super rich, I think they're generally pretty poor and don't buy a lot of PPVs.  GSP was a star for awhile though, so maybe. 

PPV for $60 in Country A doesn't always mean PPV for $60 in Country B, or PPV at all.

[GOB 2,567]

Outside of North America, there aren't a lot of PPVs.

Because they are usually carried on subscription TV, like an HBO type.

Khabib is a huge star. Zero doubt about it. Will he ever get mainstream media here in America? Doubtful. But name anyone outside Conor, Rousey and Jon Jones that has come close in the last 5 years.

[NewlyRetired 16,471]

1 hour ago, GOB said:

Khabib is a huge star. Zero doubt about it. Will he ever get mainstream media here in America? Doubtful. But name anyone outside Conor, Rousey and Jon Jones that has come close in the last 5 years.

I am not even sure Jones made it to the level.  Lesner was closer to mainstream (via WWE), than Jones ever got IMO.

[Good Posting Judge 13,667]

14 hours ago, GOB said:

Not to bring fight talk into this soap opera thread but Conor's takedown defense is very unique and predicated on him posting with his lead hand to gauge his opponent's momentum/level.

Major major props to Khabib and his team for exploiting it and easily.

He outclassed Conor. Though I don't think any MMA fan should be shocked of the outcome. Khabib is something else.

What is posting? Is that what he does where he is trying to grab at his opponents lead hand?

[AhrnCityPahnder 4,601]

Khabob still super ####### angry mid fight.

 

Connor, realizing he may actually die during the next round,  trying to whisper gentle words to put the hulk back inside Bruce Banner.

 

https://t.co/vn9FKGR5dz

[Bobcat10 1,978]

Mini Slice lost his gas tank in mount, but he was already running on E.

Sonnen's promo 

[Good Posting Judge 13,667]

Yo this fat guy with the rat tail rules.

[Clayton Gray 2,112]

1 hour ago, AhrnCityPahnder said:

Khabob still super ####### angry mid fight.

 

Connor, realizing he may actually die during the next round,  trying to whisper gentle words to put the hulk back inside Bruce Banner.

 

https://t.co/vn9FKGR5dz

The first reply: "Everyone’s a gangster until a gangster walks into the room" 

[Clayton Gray 2,112]

52 minutes ago, Bobcat10 said:

Mini Slice lost his gas tank in mount, but he was already running on E.

1

He had that dude's back and just slid off. Was done.

[Clayton Gray 2,112]

This heavyweight tournament is exposing how bad Bellator's heavyweights are.

[IC FBGCav 5,666]

On 10/11/2018 at 6:25 PM, EYLive said:

Really? I love his aggressive ground and pound style and I find his broken English endearing.  
As long as he keeps kicking everyone's ###, he'll be a big enough star.

Fedor, didn't talk ####.  How big was he?