KnowledgeReignsSupreme Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 19 hours ago, EYLive said: Roy Nelson, Frank Mir, Josh Barnett, Antonio Silva. Are Cain Velasquez's wins any better? Nope. That's the HW division for you. Same as boxing. It's usually bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowledgeReignsSupreme Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 If you really look at it, Jon Jones's wins at LHW aren't particularly impressive either in terms of who he fought. His first four title fights were all huge names (and former title holders), but were well into the ends of their careers. MW seems like the premier division right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, EYLive said: With just a few months left in his career, I'm among those that believe that despite all of his accomplishments, DC will be among the most underappreciated fighters ever. If his resume doesn't impress you, there's no discussion to be had. How can being a double-champ be a hindrance to his legacy? He could have taken all of Cain's shine, but chose to defer heavyweight to his teammate and dominate a different division. It's ridiculous to sit there and say "he doesn't deserve credit for a win", that's not even an intelligent response. I declare myself the winner of this debate on that statement alone. Yeah, Cormier is excellent. He's nowhere near the GOAT, though. 4 minutes ago, KnowledgeReignsSupreme said: If you really look at it, Jon Jones's wins at LHW aren't particularly impressive either in terms of who he fought. His first four title fights were all huge names (and former title holders), but were well into the ends of their careers. MW seems like the premier division right now. LHW after Jones only looks bad because Jones destroyed it. It's the same now as MW when Silva reigned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Posting Judge Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 4 hours ago, EYLive said: So who's the greatest heavyweight of all time then? Joe Louis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobus Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Thread’s turning into Sherdog. No one’s good, everybody sucks and/or overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punxsutawney Phil Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Love Askrens schtick. He is calling out everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhrnCityPahnder Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 I'm not saying DC is the goat, but he's closer to it than any other current titleholder and a second place is miles behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EYLive Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Punxsutawney Phil said: Love Askrens schtick. He is calling out everybody. Apparently, he's so happy to be in the UFC that he'll fight anyone now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOB Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 6 hours ago, KnowledgeReignsSupreme said: If you really look at it, Jon Jones's wins at LHW aren't particularly impressive either in terms of who he fought. His first four title fights were all huge names (and former title holders), but were well into the ends of their careers. MW seems like the premier division right now. What? Jones ran through that division like a Mack truck. DC is a top 10 UFC fighter of all time. (And I can't stand him) These things happen in MMA. Btw Khabib will go down as one of the greats before long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhrnCityPahnder Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Apparently "they're working on" Ben Askren vs Robbie Lawler at 233 in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punxsutawney Phil Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, AhrnCityPahnder said: Apparently "they're working on" Ben Askren vs Robbie Lawler at 233 in January. I think Ben definitely looks like a favorite with his elite wrestling, but Lawlor will undoubtedly be the best striker he has faced. This is a good test, and I'd much rather see a striker like Lawlor vs a wrestler, than Till or Stephen Thompson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhrnCityPahnder Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Lawler has historically had ridiculously good TDD. Maybe TDD isn't the most accurate term, as some people have gotten him down, but he always gets back up. I realize Askren's wrestling pedigree, but let's not write off RL. Lawler will not only the best striker he's faced, but also the highest level well rounded fighter he will have faced (I'd entertain an argument for Douglas Lima here, but by and large...Lawler > * on Askren's win list) I'm psyched for this fight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) On TMZ yesterday they asked DC if after his upcoming Lesnar fight, if he won, and Dana offered him 10 million to fight Jones, would he take it. He said 10 million is a lot of money but his mind was made up about retiring after the Lesnar fight. Related link: https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/11/6/18067420/ufc-champion-daniel-cormier-dont-need-jon-jones-trilogy-fight-anymore-mma-news Edited November 6, 2018 by Wingnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modogg Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 On 10/24/2018 at 9:25 PM, modogg said: you pay that much you need a tune up fight for Khabib. if it is at 170, i can't even remember who fights at 170. GSP wouldn't be first, and you wouldn't want to slow an up and comer like Usman. Would they risk Lawlor? seeing how they treated other high profile guys i don't think it will be an easy fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockroach Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 On 11/5/2018 at 12:57 PM, EYLive said: It's ridiculous to sit there and say "he doesn't deserve credit for a win", that's not even an intelligent response. I declare myself the winner of this debate on that statement alone. This is the fight game where some guy's careers (mostly in boxing though) is built off fighting cans that had almost no chance. If you don't acknowledge that well known fact and incorporate it into your argument, you don't deserve to participate in the debate you just declared yourself the winner of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhrnCityPahnder Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 22 hours ago, scoobus said: Thread’s turning into Sherdog. No one’s good, everybody sucks and/or overrated. YOUR FACE IS OVERRATED. LETS GO TRANE, BROS /flex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modogg Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, AhrnCityPahnder said: YOUR FACE IS OVERRATED. LETS GO TRANE, BROS /flex i like this one better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkN8V2Xogsw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhrnCityPahnder Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, modogg said: i like this one better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkN8V2Xogsw It's tough to argue against the classics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abrantes Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Askren's shtick is corny and his fights are dull, and I hope past-his-prime Robbie still has enough in the tank to kick his ###. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kutta Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 On 11/5/2018 at 6:51 PM, AhrnCityPahnder said: I'm not saying DC is the goat, but he's closer to it than any other current titleholder and a second place is miles behind him. Khabib is pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhrnCityPahnder Posted November 8, 2018 Author Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 hour ago, kutta said: Khabib is pretty good. I agree. But Longevity and quality of opponents matters in GOATland. Khabob's record is unFwithable. But, 2/3rds of his wins were in Russia against no one I've ever heard of. He has 11 fights since he came to the US, and only 4 of them were against top10 ranked opponents. Granted, all have gone SMESH, and he's a GD beast. but, I need more than what he's given us to put him in the "all time" convo. DC has been a main eventer for 8 or 9 years, and by quick glance at his W/L record, has beaten 6 former world champions. Let Khabob continue this run he's on for another few years and I'm sure I'll change my tune then. But he's already talking about retiring. Maybe just bluster, but if not ... get him out of this conversation immediately. And while we're at it, evict Terrell Davis from the NFL HOF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOB Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Khabib theoretically could beat Ferguson and Woodley in 2019. If he does that, it's hard to not put him in the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punxsutawney Phil Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I agree with AhrnCity on Khabib. I still want to see him face another elite wrestler / grappler. Tony Ferguson, Been Askren, Tyron Woodley, Colby, Maia, Kevin Lee. So far, he has stylistically favorable matchups for an elite wrestler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraft... Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Anyone watching TUF 28? That wrestling dude last night did not like getting hit, he turtled pretty quick there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modogg Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 kind of surprised there isn't much talk in here about UFC dissolving 125 pound division. I am guessing that is telling as to why they would be cutting it since it doesn't seem a ton of reaction is out there about it. A gripe I have is how it seems it is being done. People use to complain a little when it was the Fertita brothers, but man this new company that owns the UFC just seems to not give an F about the fighters. this can't go over well in the fighter community: https://mmajunkie.com/2018/11/twitter-ufc-fighters-react-looming-dissolution-flyweight-division Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobus Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, modogg said: kind of surprised there isn't much talk in here about UFC dissolving 125 pound division. I am guessing that is telling as to why they would be cutting it since it doesn't seem a ton of reaction is out there about it. A gripe I have is how it seems it is being done. People use to complain a little when it was the Fertita brothers, but man this new company that owns the UFC just seems to not give an F about the fighters. this can't go over well in the fighter community: https://mmajunkie.com/2018/11/twitter-ufc-fighters-react-looming-dissolution-flyweight-division Even more confusing, Dillashaw and Cejudo are fighting at 125 pounds for the flyweight belt. What? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modogg Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 4 hours ago, scoobus said: Even more confusing, Dillashaw and Cejudo are fighting at 125 pounds for the flyweight belt. What? yeah, weird: https://mmajunkie.com/2018/11/tj-dillashaw-challenges-flyweight-champ-henry-cejudo-ufc-233-superfight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harper Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 5 hours ago, modogg said: kind of surprised there isn't much talk in here about UFC dissolving 125 pound division. I am guessing that is telling as to why they would be cutting it since it doesn't seem a ton of reaction is out there about it. A gripe I have is how it seems it is being done. People use to complain a little when it was the Fertita brothers, but man this new company that owns the UFC just seems to not give an F about the fighters. this can't go over well in the fighter community: https://mmajunkie.com/2018/11/twitter-ufc-fighters-react-looming-dissolution-flyweight-division As someone who is 5'6" and 148#....I don't see it as a bad thing 125# is going away. Anyone professional fighting at 125# can easily make 135#. They probably walk around at 150# anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Cowboy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EYLive Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 He made it look easy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 7:04 PM, Charlie Harper said: As someone who is 5'6" and 148#....I don't see it as a bad thing 125# is going away. Anyone professional fighting at 125# can easily make 135#. They probably walk around at 150# anyways. Demetrious Johnson reportedly walks around at 142. I think most 125ers are easily below 150 when they aren't fighting. Guys fighting at 135 are probably walking near 160. There's a big difference between those two classes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Just now, EYLive said: He made it look easy. The reverse from bottom side mount and being able to get the armbar finish when Perry was in that position showed the gulf in grappling between those two guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 ME is amazing through 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Posting Judge Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Clayton Gray said: ME is amazing through 3. I'm an MMA casual but this is really good stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Zombie 3-1 through 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modogg Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/5/2018 at 3:40 PM, Clayton Gray said: Fedor is the GOAT. really is a shame they couldn't get that Fedor vs. Randy fight worked out when both guys were still active. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harper Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, Clayton Gray said: Demetrious Johnson reportedly walks around at 142. I think most 125ers are easily below 150 when they aren't fighting. Guys fighting at 135 are probably walking near 160. There's a big difference between those two classes. DJ is one of the smallest fighters at 5'3. Dom Cruz is the tallest in bantam at 5'8. Most fighters between 125-153# are 5'4"-5'6". Sure the smaller guys currently walk around lighter, but it's because they're fighting at a super light weight class for a grown male athlete. They can easily add more mass. Will they be as dominant? Who knows, but it's not something to cry over IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Oh, wow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Absolutely insane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EYLive Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Wow reverse elbow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobus Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Fight of the year, wow! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Posting Judge Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 That's not something you see every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I can't believe that just happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Sick! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoFreak_2K3 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Boom. Night night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC FBGCav Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I would have gave it to Zombie. Last second win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Charlie Harper said: DJ is one of the smallest fighters at 5'3. Dom Cruz is the tallest in bantam at 5'8. Most fighters between 125-153# are 5'4"-5'6". Sure the smaller guys currently walk around lighter, but it's because they're fighting at a super light weight class for a grown male athlete. They can easily add more mass. Will they be as dominant? Who knows, but it's not something to cry over IMO. I'm not crying over it. I enjoyed watching Johnson fight, but the others in the division were largely unexciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Gray Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 minute ago, IC FBGCav said: I would have gave it to Zombie. Last second win. Absolutely. And dude just fell as if he died. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Posting Judge Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Korean Zombie looked like one of those whipping around inflatable guys in front of the car dealership when you turn off the generator at the end of the day. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhrnCityPahnder Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 I didnt watch this card but watching highlights today. Good gravy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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