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If you really look at it, Jon Jones's wins at LHW aren't particularly impressive either in terms of who he fought.  His first four title fights were all huge names (and former title holders), but were well into the ends of their careers.  MW seems like the premier division right now.

 
EYLive said:
With just a few months left in his career, I'm among those that believe that despite all of his accomplishments, DC will be among the most underappreciated fighters ever. If his resume doesn't impress you, there's no discussion to be had. How can being a double-champ be a hindrance to his legacy? He could have taken all of Cain's shine, but chose to defer heavyweight to his teammate and dominate a different division. It's ridiculous to sit there and say "he doesn't deserve credit for a win", that's not even an intelligent response. I declare myself the winner of this debate on that statement alone.
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Yeah, Cormier is excellent. He's nowhere near the GOAT, though.

KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
If you really look at it, Jon Jones's wins at LHW aren't particularly impressive either in terms of who he fought.  His first four title fights were all huge names (and former title holders), but were well into the ends of their careers.  MW seems like the premier division right now.
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LHW after Jones only looks bad because Jones destroyed it. It's the same now as MW when Silva reigned.

 
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
If you really look at it, Jon Jones's wins at LHW aren't particularly impressive either in terms of who he fought.  His first four title fights were all huge names (and former title holders), but were well into the ends of their careers.  MW seems like the premier division right now.
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What?

Jones ran through that division like a Mack truck. 

DC is a top 10 UFC fighter of all time. (And I can't stand him)

These things happen in MMA. Btw Khabib will go down as one of the greats before long. 

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Apparently "they're working on" Ben Askren vs Robbie Lawler at 233 in January.

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I think Ben definitely looks like a favorite with his elite wrestling, but Lawlor will undoubtedly be the best striker he has faced. This is a good test, and I'd much rather see a striker like Lawlor vs a wrestler, than Till or Stephen Thompson.

 
Lawler has historically had ridiculously good TDD.  Maybe TDD isn't the most accurate term, as some people have gotten him down, but he always gets back up.  

I realize Askren's wrestling pedigree, but let's not write off RL.  Lawler will not only the best striker he's faced, but also the highest level well rounded fighter he will have faced (I'd entertain an argument for Douglas Lima here, but by and large...Lawler > * on Askren's win list)

I'm psyched for this fight.

 
modogg said:
you pay that much you need a tune up fight for Khabib. if it is at 170, i can't even remember who fights at 170. GSP wouldn't be first, and you wouldn't want to slow an up and comer like Usman. Would they risk Lawlor? seeing how they treated other high profile guys i don't think it will be an easy fight
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EYLive said:
It's ridiculous to sit there and say "he doesn't deserve credit for a win", that's not even an intelligent response. I declare myself the winner of this debate on that statement alone.
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This is the fight game where some guy's careers (mostly in boxing though) is built off fighting cans that had almost no chance.  If you don't acknowledge that well known fact and incorporate it into your argument, you don't deserve to participate in the debate you just declared yourself the winner of. 

 
Askren's shtick is corny and his fights are dull, and I hope past-his-prime Robbie still has enough in the tank to kick his ###. :)  

 
kutta said:
Khabib is pretty good.
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I agree.  But Longevity and quality of opponents matters in GOATland.   Khabob's record is unFwithable.  But, 2/3rds of his wins were in Russia against no one I've ever heard of.  He has 11 fights since he came to the US, and only 4 of them were against top10 ranked opponents.    Granted, all have gone SMESH,  and he's a GD beast.   but, I need more than what he's given us to put him in the "all time" convo. 

DC has been a main eventer for 8 or 9 years, and by quick glance at his W/L record, has beaten 6 former world champions.  

Let Khabob continue this run he's on for another few years and I'm sure I'll change my tune then.  But he's already talking about retiring.   Maybe just bluster, but if not ... get him out of this conversation immediately.  And while we're at it, evict Terrell Davis from the NFL HOF. 

 
Khabib theoretically could beat Ferguson and Woodley in 2019. If he does that, it's hard to not put him in the discussion.

 
I agree with AhrnCity on Khabib.  I still want to see him face another elite wrestler / grappler.  Tony Ferguson, Been Askren, Tyron Woodley, Colby, Maia, Kevin Lee.  So far, he has stylistically favorable matchups for an elite wrestler.

 
kind of surprised there isn't much talk in here about UFC dissolving 125 pound division. I am guessing that is telling as to why they would be cutting it since it doesn't seem a ton of reaction is out there about it.

A gripe I have is how it seems it is being done. People use to complain a little when it was the Fertita brothers, but man this new company that owns the UFC just seems to not give an F about the fighters. this can't go over well in the fighter community:

https://mmajunkie.com/2018/11/twitter-ufc-fighters-react-looming-dissolution-flyweight-division

 
modogg said:
kind of surprised there isn't much talk in here about UFC dissolving 125 pound division. I am guessing that is telling as to why they would be cutting it since it doesn't seem a ton of reaction is out there about it.

A gripe I have is how it seems it is being done. People use to complain a little when it was the Fertita brothers, but man this new company that owns the UFC just seems to not give an F about the fighters. this can't go over well in the fighter community:

https://mmajunkie.com/2018/11/twitter-ufc-fighters-react-looming-dissolution-flyweight-division
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Even more confusing, Dillashaw and Cejudo are fighting at 125 pounds for the flyweight belt. What?

 
modogg said:
kind of surprised there isn't much talk in here about UFC dissolving 125 pound division. I am guessing that is telling as to why they would be cutting it since it doesn't seem a ton of reaction is out there about it.

A gripe I have is how it seems it is being done. People use to complain a little when it was the Fertita brothers, but man this new company that owns the UFC just seems to not give an F about the fighters. this can't go over well in the fighter community:

https://mmajunkie.com/2018/11/twitter-ufc-fighters-react-looming-dissolution-flyweight-division
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As someone who is 5'6" and 148#....I don't see it as a bad thing 125# is going away. Anyone professional fighting at 125# can easily make 135#. They probably walk around at 150# anyways.

 
Charlie Harper said:
As someone who is 5'6" and 148#....I don't see it as a bad thing 125# is going away. Anyone professional fighting at 125# can easily make 135#. They probably walk around at 150# anyways.
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Demetrious Johnson reportedly walks around at 142. I think most 125ers are easily below 150 when they aren't fighting. Guys fighting at 135 are probably walking near 160.

There's a big difference between those two classes.

 
Clayton Gray said:
Demetrious Johnson reportedly walks around at 142. I think most 125ers are easily below 150 when they aren't fighting. Guys fighting at 135 are probably walking near 160.

There's a big difference between those two classes.
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DJ is one of the smallest fighters at 5'3. Dom Cruz is the tallest in bantam at 5'8. Most fighters between 125-153# are 5'4"-5'6". 

Sure the smaller guys currently walk around lighter, but it's because they're fighting at a super light weight class for a grown male athlete.  They can easily add more mass. Will they be as dominant? Who knows, but it's not something to cry over IMO.

 
Charlie Harper said:
DJ is one of the smallest fighters at 5'3. Dom Cruz is the tallest in bantam at 5'8. Most fighters between 125-153# are 5'4"-5'6". 

Sure the smaller guys currently walk around lighter, but it's because they're fighting at a super light weight class for a grown male athlete.  They can easily add more mass. Will they be as dominant? Who knows, but it's not something to cry over IMO.
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I'm not crying over it. I enjoyed watching Johnson fight, but the others in the division were largely unexciting.

 
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