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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)

so do we know 100% now who sent the assassin to kill Bran? Still not sure if the imp did it. Would also like to get clarification if the queen poisoned the first Hand who was killed. and what was the significance of Ned finding the helmet making boy who was Roberts son?also does the Imp know his siblings are banging? does the father? I would think the father would want them punished since honor to family is all he is about. spoiler tag if you feel its needed.
Why ask these questions? If you don't plan to read the books then wait to find out as the story develops on tv. If you do plan on reading the books then do that and don't spoil your viewing pleasure.I truly think you are robbing yourself of a great story if you are seeking these kind of spoilers.
I for one didnt think the show would touch on all those questions with all the new shist that has come up. So what they tried to kill Bran a while back, they actually killed Ned and they are at war. Didnt think the show would go back to that.Helmet boy and the poisoning also seemed like was in the past
 
I keep having these questions pop up out of the blue, now i want to get some info on that weird lady who attacked Bran and now is all of a sudden a preachers daughter. She said Rob was making a huge error going the direction he was going, did Robert end up going that way? He just sent a decoy that direction I assumed.
She is a Wildling that came from North of The Wall, and things are happening North of the Wall. We had a brief glimpse with the first scene of the series. That's what she's referring to when she says they're marching the wrong way.
ah, kept thinking she was talking like she was a prophet or something about which direction he should attack in
 
I think this thread has been great for newcomers to the series, whether they have started to read the book(s) or not. Sometimes clarification from those who have delved into this thing deep or several times really helps understanding the show and books better. Spoilers have been handled pretty well for the most part.What should we do thread-wise going forward? I plan on reading the other books once Season 1 is over, and it seems like there are a few people who intend to do the same. I'd like to be able to discuss the other books, but do not want to enter that Dragons thread as it seems to be rife with spoilers. Should we continue to discuss things chronologically here and start a new thread when season 2 starts? Or should another thread be created for new readers to the series?
Yeah i havent had anything ruined for me and i love the interaction with the book readers who are knowledgeable about this world that Martin created. Will probably get the 4 books eventually but for now I am just enjoying the show.I think we keep this thread going no need to alienate all the newbies together as we need some background stuff to help sort out some stuff we dont know much about.I keep having these questions pop up out of the blue, now i want to get some info on that weird lady who attacked Bran and now is all of a sudden a preachers daughter. She said Rob was making a huge error going the direction he was going, did Robert end up going that way? He just sent a decoy that direction I assumed.Also how are Bran and the little Starks not in the possession of the Lannisters yet?
She meant going the wrong way directionally. She's implying the real threat lies beyond the wall.I don't understand your last question.
Tywin and Jaime know that Rob is mounting an army to face them. Why dont they grab all remaining Stark children as leverage for a future standoff or whatever? There seemed to be no one protecting Bran really
 
I think this thread has been great for newcomers to the series, whether they have started to read the book(s) or not. Sometimes clarification from those who have delved into this thing deep or several times really helps understanding the show and books better. Spoilers have been handled pretty well for the most part.What should we do thread-wise going forward? I plan on reading the other books once Season 1 is over, and it seems like there are a few people who intend to do the same. I'd like to be able to discuss the other books, but do not want to enter that Dragons thread as it seems to be rife with spoilers. Should we continue to discuss things chronologically here and start a new thread when season 2 starts? Or should another thread be created for new readers to the series?
Yeah i havent had anything ruined for me and i love the interaction with the book readers who are knowledgeable about this world that Martin created. Will probably get the 4 books eventually but for now I am just enjoying the show.I think we keep this thread going no need to alienate all the newbies together as we need some background stuff to help sort out some stuff we dont know much about.I keep having these questions pop up out of the blue, now i want to get some info on that weird lady who attacked Bran and now is all of a sudden a preachers daughter. She said Rob was making a huge error going the direction he was going, did Robert end up going that way? He just sent a decoy that direction I assumed.Also how are Bran and the little Starks not in the possession of the Lannisters yet?
She meant going the wrong way directionally. She's implying the real threat lies beyond the wall.I don't understand your last question.
Tywin and Jaime know that Rob is mounting an army to face them. Why dont they grab all remaining Stark children as leverage for a future standoff or whatever? There seemed to be no one protecting Bran really
Yeah - they're a long way off with lots between them that wouldn't make that easy. I'm sure there are still some men at arms left back at Winterfell.
 
I think this thread has been great for newcomers to the series, whether they have started to read the book(s) or not. Sometimes clarification from those who have delved into this thing deep or several times really helps understanding the show and books better. Spoilers have been handled pretty well for the most part.What should we do thread-wise going forward? I plan on reading the other books once Season 1 is over, and it seems like there are a few people who intend to do the same. I'd like to be able to discuss the other books, but do not want to enter that Dragons thread as it seems to be rife with spoilers. Should we continue to discuss things chronologically here and start a new thread when season 2 starts? Or should another thread be created for new readers to the series?
Yeah i havent had anything ruined for me and i love the interaction with the book readers who are knowledgeable about this world that Martin created. Will probably get the 4 books eventually but for now I am just enjoying the show.I think we keep this thread going no need to alienate all the newbies together as we need some background stuff to help sort out some stuff we dont know much about.I keep having these questions pop up out of the blue, now i want to get some info on that weird lady who attacked Bran and now is all of a sudden a preachers daughter. She said Rob was making a huge error going the direction he was going, did Robert end up going that way? He just sent a decoy that direction I assumed.Also how are Bran and the little Starks not in the possession of the Lannisters yet?
She meant going the wrong way directionally. She's implying the real threat lies beyond the wall.I don't understand your last question.
Tywin and Jaime know that Rob is mounting an army to face them. Why dont they grab all remaining Stark children as leverage for a future standoff or whatever? There seemed to be no one protecting Bran really
Look at the map. To get to Winterfell, Tywin would have to go through Robb's army and cross the Neck (an extremely narrow causeway miles long that can easily be defended by just a few men). In the history of the Starks, no one has ever successfully attacked from the south crossing the Neck. In addition, Tywin can't leave the South/West - he needs to defend it.
 
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I think this thread has been great for newcomers to the series, whether they have started to read the book(s) or not. Sometimes clarification from those who have delved into this thing deep or several times really helps understanding the show and books better. Spoilers have been handled pretty well for the most part.What should we do thread-wise going forward? I plan on reading the other books once Season 1 is over, and it seems like there are a few people who intend to do the same. I'd like to be able to discuss the other books, but do not want to enter that Dragons thread as it seems to be rife with spoilers. Should we continue to discuss things chronologically here and start a new thread when season 2 starts? Or should another thread be created for new readers to the series?
Yeah i havent had anything ruined for me and i love the interaction with the book readers who are knowledgeable about this world that Martin created. Will probably get the 4 books eventually but for now I am just enjoying the show.I think we keep this thread going no need to alienate all the newbies together as we need some background stuff to help sort out some stuff we dont know much about.I keep having these questions pop up out of the blue, now i want to get some info on that weird lady who attacked Bran and now is all of a sudden a preachers daughter. She said Rob was making a huge error going the direction he was going, did Robert end up going that way? He just sent a decoy that direction I assumed.Also how are Bran and the little Starks not in the possession of the Lannisters yet?
She meant going the wrong way directionally. She's implying the real threat lies beyond the wall.I don't understand your last question.
Tywin and Jaime know that Rob is mounting an army to face them. Why dont they grab all remaining Stark children as leverage for a future standoff or whatever? There seemed to be no one protecting Bran really
Yeah, there wasn't anyone really protecting Bran when the assassin came either, other than, you know, the direwolf who ripped his throat out. :D
 
I also liked the scene with Tyrion and the new girl playing the "drinking game". he's always so shrewd and sure of himself when talking to other people, it was nice to see him get owned by a new random whore. I assume she'll have some impact down the road.

him: "Will you weep for me after I'm dead?"

her: "You'll be dead; how will you know?"

:lmao:

 
so do we know 100% now who sent the assassin to kill Bran? Still not sure if the imp did it. Would also like to get clarification if the queen poisoned the first Hand who was killed. and what was the significance of Ned finding the helmet making boy who was Roberts son?also does the Imp know his siblings are banging? does the father? I would think the father would want them punished since honor to family is all he is about. spoiler tag if you feel its needed.
Why ask these questions? If you don't plan to read the books then wait to find out as the story develops on tv. If you do plan on reading the books then do that and don't spoil your viewing pleasure.I truly think you are robbing yourself of a great story if you are seeking these kind of spoilers.
I for one didnt think the show would touch on all those questions with all the new shist that has come up. So what they tried to kill Bran a while back, they actually killed Ned and they are at war. Didnt think the show would go back to that.Helmet boy and the poisoning also seemed like was in the past
Not really spoiling, more like foreshadowing
Regarding who was trying to kill Bran, that is actually addressed and answered later in the series and has some interesting repercussions. You really don't want to know more.Who finds out/figures out about Jamie and Cersei are also things that add intrigue later in the series.
 
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I think this thread has been great for newcomers to the series, whether they have started to read the book(s) or not. Sometimes clarification from those who have delved into this thing deep or several times really helps understanding the show and books better. Spoilers have been handled pretty well for the most part.What should we do thread-wise going forward? I plan on reading the other books once Season 1 is over, and it seems like there are a few people who intend to do the same. I'd like to be able to discuss the other books, but do not want to enter that Dragons thread as it seems to be rife with spoilers. Should we continue to discuss things chronologically here and start a new thread when season 2 starts? Or should another thread be created for new readers to the series?
Yeah i havent had anything ruined for me and i love the interaction with the book readers who are knowledgeable about this world that Martin created. Will probably get the 4 books eventually but for now I am just enjoying the show.I think we keep this thread going no need to alienate all the newbies together as we need some background stuff to help sort out some stuff we dont know much about.I keep having these questions pop up out of the blue, now i want to get some info on that weird lady who attacked Bran and now is all of a sudden a preachers daughter. She said Rob was making a huge error going the direction he was going, did Robert end up going that way? He just sent a decoy that direction I assumed.Also how are Bran and the little Starks not in the possession of the Lannisters yet?
She meant going the wrong way directionally. She's implying the real threat lies beyond the wall.I don't understand your last question.
Tywin and Jaime know that Rob is mounting an army to face them. Why dont they grab all remaining Stark children as leverage for a future standoff or whatever? There seemed to be no one protecting Bran really
Yeah - they're a long way off with lots between them that wouldn't make that easy. I'm sure there are still some men at arms left back at Winterfell.
probably the book gives you a much better understanding about how far off each place is. But from the show I had no idea if the Lannisters are a 5 minute walk from Winterfell or a 4 week trek
 
so do we know 100% now who sent the assassin to kill Bran? Still not sure if the imp did it. Would also like to get clarification if the queen poisoned the first Hand who was killed. and what was the significance of Ned finding the helmet making boy who was Roberts son?also does the Imp know his siblings are banging? does the father? I would think the father would want them punished since honor to family is all he is about. spoiler tag if you feel its needed.
Why ask these questions? If you don't plan to read the books then wait to find out as the story develops on tv. If you do plan on reading the books then do that and don't spoil your viewing pleasure.I truly think you are robbing yourself of a great story if you are seeking these kind of spoilers.
I for one didnt think the show would touch on all those questions with all the new shist that has come up. So what they tried to kill Bran a while back, they actually killed Ned and they are at war. Didnt think the show would go back to that.Helmet boy and the poisoning also seemed like was in the past
Not really spoiling, more like foreshadowing
Regarding who was trying to kill Bran, that is actually addressed and answered later in the series and has some interesting repercussions. You really don't want to know more.Who finds out/figures out about Jamie and Cersei are also things that add intrigue later in the series.
ah ok thanks for that. Thats all i need to really, much appreciated
 
We need a poll to decide this.

Whats the worst death on Game of Thrones the Television Series

A) Drogo giving that dude the Golden Crown

B) Drogo ripping that dudes tongue out

C) Jaime stabbing that dude in the eye

D) Assuming the wine seller/Assassin was killed on his naked road trip

If wine dude was killed he is the worst, if not the Golden Crown takes the cake

 
I also liked the scene with Tyrion and the new girl playing the "drinking game". he's always so shrewd and sure of himself when talking to other people, it was nice to see him get owned by a new random whore. I assume she'll have some impact down the road.

him: "Will you weep for me after I'm dead?"

her: "You'll be dead; how will you know?"

:lmao:
‘Game of Thrones’ Hooker Was a German Porn Star
Just when you think this show can't get any better...it does.
 
I also liked the scene with Tyrion and the new girl playing the "drinking game". he's always so shrewd and sure of himself when talking to other people, it was nice to see him get owned by a new random whore. I assume she'll have some impact down the road.

him: "Will you weep for me after I'm dead?"

her: "You'll be dead; how will you know?"

:lmao:
‘Game of Thrones’ Hooker Was a German Porn Star
Just when you think this show can't get any better...it does.
:goodposting:
 
I think this thread has been great for newcomers to the series, whether they have started to read the book(s) or not. Sometimes clarification from those who have delved into this thing deep or several times really helps understanding the show and books better. Spoilers have been handled pretty well for the most part.What should we do thread-wise going forward? I plan on reading the other books once Season 1 is over, and it seems like there are a few people who intend to do the same. I'd like to be able to discuss the other books, but do not want to enter that Dragons thread as it seems to be rife with spoilers. Should we continue to discuss things chronologically here and start a new thread when season 2 starts? Or should another thread be created for new readers to the series?
Yeah i havent had anything ruined for me and i love the interaction with the book readers who are knowledgeable about this world that Martin created. Will probably get the 4 books eventually but for now I am just enjoying the show.I think we keep this thread going no need to alienate all the newbies together as we need some background stuff to help sort out some stuff we dont know much about.I keep having these questions pop up out of the blue, now i want to get some info on that weird lady who attacked Bran and now is all of a sudden a preachers daughter. She said Rob was making a huge error going the direction he was going, did Robert end up going that way? He just sent a decoy that direction I assumed.Also how are Bran and the little Starks not in the possession of the Lannisters yet?
She meant going the wrong way directionally. She's implying the real threat lies beyond the wall.I don't understand your last question.
Tywin and Jaime know that Rob is mounting an army to face them. Why dont they grab all remaining Stark children as leverage for a future standoff or whatever? There seemed to be no one protecting Bran really
Yeah - they're a long way off with lots between them that wouldn't make that easy. I'm sure there are still some men at arms left back at Winterfell.
probably the book gives you a much better understanding about how far off each place is. But from the show I had no idea if the Lannisters are a 5 minute walk from Winterfell or a 4 week trek
If you think back again to episode one Cersei says to Robert "We've been riding for a month..." after their arrival at Winterfell. Granted, that's from King's Landing, not Casterly Rock, but that gives some idea of the scale.
 
'Socrates11 said:
'Tremendous Upside said:
'Maik Jeaunz said:
I also liked the scene with Tyrion and the new girl playing the "drinking game". he's always so shrewd and sure of himself when talking to other people, it was nice to see him get owned by a new random whore. I assume she'll have some impact down the road.

him: "Will you weep for me after I'm dead?"

her: "You'll be dead; how will you know?"

:lmao:
‘Game of Thrones’ Hooker Was a German Porn Star
Just when you think this show can't get any better...it does.
:goodposting: I applaud the creative team's inside-the-box thinking here.
 
'parrot said:
If you think back again to episode one Cersei says to Robert "We've been riding for a month..." after their arrival at Winterfell. Granted, that's from King's Landing, not Casterly Rock, but that gives some idea of the scale.
Building a little city every time they stop can't be a very efficient way to travel.
 
It appears that HBO likes this fantasy stuff. They've just optioned Neil Gaiman's American Gods (I've always thought Sandman would make an awesome limited run HBO series). I guess the idea is to do the first book (Gaiman is apparently writing another one) and then continue as an open ended series.

 
It appears that HBO likes this fantasy stuff. They've just optioned Neil Gaiman's American Gods (I've always thought Sandman would make an awesome limited run HBO series). I guess the idea is to do the first book (Gaiman is apparently writing another one) and then continue as an open ended series.
Doh! I was a big Sandman fan, as well. Have no clue what American Gods is about. :kicksrock:
 
It appears that HBO likes this fantasy stuff. They've just optioned Neil Gaiman's American Gods (I've always thought Sandman would make an awesome limited run HBO series). I guess the idea is to do the first book (Gaiman is apparently writing another one) and then continue as an open ended series.
:thumbup: just put the book on hold, i wonder when we would expect to see this, a year and a half?
 
It appears that HBO likes this fantasy stuff. They've just optioned Neil Gaiman's American Gods (I've always thought Sandman would make an awesome limited run HBO series). I guess the idea is to do the first book (Gaiman is apparently writing another one) and then continue as an open ended series.
Doh! I was a big Sandman fan, as well. Have no clue what American Gods is about. :kicksrock:
I struggle to come up with a proper description. Road adventure through the US with a lot of the same fun with gods we saw in Sandman's "Season of Mists". I'd rather have a Sandman series, just 'cause I love the story so much and the HBO format is a great fit, but it would also be far more ambitious than American Gods. Hope it actually comes together. :nerd:
 
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'rolyaTy said:
'parrot said:
I put my impression of the characters in spoiler tags, although it's not really giving anything away if you're up to date on the HBO series.

Sansa - The book does a better job of giving some background as to why she is how she is, but basically she has the grace and good looks of her mother, she's good at "girly" things like needlework, and she has these typical girl fantasies about marrying a prince, being a princess, having lots of kids, and being a queen, living in a castle, etc. It's not that she's a bad person, she's just like so many young girls are, full of ridiculous dreams that they want so bad they can taste it, except she's being given an opportunity to fulfill those dreams, and she's starting to find out, as others are finding out, that idealism, and naivete are terrible flaws. Where we are in the series with Sansa is the crumbling of her fairy-tale dreamlike expectations of how the world is supposed to be, and in its place, we see a ruthless, backstabbing, power-centric world where "When you play the game of thrones, you either win or you die." All that to say, it's hard for me to think her too bad of a person at this point in the story because so many girls are like her at that age, and it's as if the author just plucked on up and put them in this situation, and now their idealism is confronted by reality.

Arya - The opposite of Sansa, somewhat of a cynical girl where we are. She rejects the idealism of sansa's world, but that's partly due to the fact that she looks more like her dad, doesn't enjoy the girly things, and naturally she would move more towards tomboyish activities since she doesn't fit in in lady-land. Along with that, she doesn't dream of all the things typical ideological girls dream of, like sansa, but rather she wants to be a fighter, a knight...but she can't because she's a woman. But she doesn't let that get her down, showing determinism, and strong-will (stubborn), she wins her dad over to let her practice swordfighting. She's the practical one, the one more grounded in reality because she's met opposition early in her life (not being good at the stuff girls are supposed to be good at, and not being as pretty as her older sister). So she's easier to like, but she too is a product of her environment and her physical makeup.

Jamie - At this point in the series, he seems cold-hearted but charming, which is fair enough but the book at this point made him a bit more heartless I think, or maybe that's just how I was reading him.

Tyrian - Just starting to get some new depth for his character with this latest episode. Really starting to see how he's treated by his father, some of the history with his family, etc. Really well done character in both the book and now the show.
I think its odd to see words like "naive" and "idealistic" used to describe Sansa when, at this point in the TV series as well as this point in the book series, she appears to be perhaps the smartest and most practical of all the Starks. I would certainly use those words to describe Ned, Cat and Rob - complete morons all three whose arrogance and stupidity is responsible for the fall of Winterfell and the scattering of the Stark children. Jon and Arya are likeable, but are both pretty fortunate to have survived their poor decision-making. I still don't think we know much about Bran.
What about Sansa's decision to rely on a drunken jester to help her escape King's Landing? How fortunate is she to survive that? And the decision to tell Cersei of Ned's intent to take his girls and leave King's Landing? How smart was that? Sansa is completely naive as to who the Lannisters really are, right up until Ned's head hits the floor. And even after that she is able to survive more because she is of use to them, and coveted by Littlefinger, rather than because she is particularly smart or resourceful.
This.

There are many examples of how Sansa's fantasy world that she wanted more than anything to live in caused problems for other characters. She's being used simply as a pawn in this game, I'd say, even up to the end of the fourth book. We have yet to see her really make any moves that better her situation or the situation of those around her (aside from the attempt to save her dad, which again, was inteded to be used for the queens purposes.) She's a pawn, a dreamer, and in this game of thrones, she's moved around and manipulated to suit the purposes of other characters, mainly the lannisters.

I expect her at some point, maybe the 5th book, maybe later, to come into her own as a character and flip from being the ideological, naive and pawn player, to a person who still appears to have that role, but instead is making her own moves. I expect something terrible to happen to her though to force this change.

But here's more spoiler stuff, so don't read on unless you've finished the books or don't care. It's interesting to look at the characters based purely on how manipulative they are, and see what that gets them in the book. The more noble you are (rob, ned,Brienne-maybe) the worse your outcome, and in some cases, when you go from bad to good, or do something noble, like tyrian heading up the charge when the castle was under siege, or Jamie going back for Brienne, you're punished and have lasting scars, or you may die (again, Brienne looks like that's her outcome, but maybe not). While those who manipulate are generally still in power and doing fairly well.

It's an interesting book where just about anything can happen to anyone, which is nice to read, and it's also a very cynical book that, imo at least, accurately reflects the way the world works - which is that in order to succeed, you must be cunning and willing to do whatever it takes to hold onto power. Sure, there are exceptions, but that's the trend...and we see that reflected in the book, again, with some exceptions.

Reading books like this remind me of other books with similar styles. Ken Follet's "Pillars of the Earth" and "World Without End" are two that come to mind where the world is hard, and it seems like bad qualities trump good ones. Those are good books too, in case anyone is done with these for now and are looking for a filler until July 12th :) .
I disagree with your premise. I think Sansa remains a pawn. She was the first to lose her wolf, somewhat symbolic of her being the least "Stark" like Stark. I could be wrong, but I doubt she ever makes a heroic impact, excepting possibly in death.
 
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Maybe Sansa becomes more sympathetic or smarter as the series progresses, but in Game of Thrones she comes off as a snotty, selfish, naive, lying, disloyal, rat. :shrug: and it pisses me off that after all the lengths Ned went to in order to maintain his and his family's honor that it was for Sansa that he sacrificed himself and his honor for after she is the one who went to the damn queen and went along with th letter to Robb as well without even mentioning Arya.

 
'Gr00vus said:
'biggamer3 said:
so do we know 100% now who sent the assassin to kill Bran? Still not sure if the imp did it.
Pretty sure it wasn't the Imp, someone clumsily set him up to take the fall - probably one of his siblings, maybe littlefinger. The Imp isn't stupid, he wouldn't send an assassin off with such an easily identifiable weapon that people know he owns (as he stated when captured). Also he seemed to have some actual empathy for the kid since he's now disabled too.The father seems pretty ruthless. I'm sure the prospect of a 100% Lannister on the throne far outweighs any imagined dishonor resulting from the kid being the product of an incestuous relationship. Remember his whole schpeil to Jamie about not caring what others think?
I rewatched episode 3 (I think it was) and I am certain it was Jaime. Cersei kind of went off on him for doing it.
 
I disagree with your premise. I think Sansa remains a pawn. She was the first to lose her wolf, somewhat symbolic of her being the least "Stark" like Stark. I could be wrong, but I doubt she ever makes a heroic impact, excepting possibly in death.
I think by the end of book 4, Littlefinger is teaching her how to finally "play the game." There are a couple of passages where Sansa is talking to Littlefinger and Sansa correctly guesses what his next move is, or what his real motivation was for making a particular move. I think Martin is definitely trying to set up a Jedi/Padawan relationship there.
 
It appears that HBO likes this fantasy stuff. They've just optioned Neil Gaiman's American Gods (I've always thought Sandman would make an awesome limited run HBO series). I guess the idea is to do the first book (Gaiman is apparently writing another one) and then continue as an open ended series.
I put that back on the back burner. I got about 50% into it and was bored to tears. Does it get better? I may go back to it after GoT.
 
I disagree with your premise. I think Sansa remains a pawn. She was the first to lose her wolf, somewhat symbolic of her being the least "Stark" like Stark. I could be wrong, but I doubt she ever makes a heroic impact, excepting possibly in death.
I think by the end of book 4, Littlefinger is teaching her how to finally "play the game." There are a couple of passages where Sansa is talking to Littlefinger and Sansa correctly guesses what his next move is, or what his real motivation was for making a particular move. I think Martin is definitely trying to set up a Jedi/Padawan relationship there.
That's kinda what I"m thinking too. Not only because she's his protege, but because she hasn't died off yet. There were numerous opportunities for the author to kill her off, and punish her for her "wrong" worldview based on fairy tale and naivitee, but I think the author wants to teach her how to play the game of thrones. Perhaps she'll become another Cirsei. Still though, with the author, one can never tell where he's going although they're certainly building to some sexual confrontation between littlefinger and sansa...just don't know if it'll ever be realized, or what. Made me uncomfortable every time they were in a scene together in book 4.
 
Maybe Sansa becomes more sympathetic or smarter as the series progresses, but in Game of Thrones she comes off as a snotty, selfish, naive, lying, disloyal, rat. :shrug: and it pisses me off that after all the lengths Ned went to in order to maintain his and his family's honor that it was for Sansa that he sacrificed himself and his honor for after she is the one who went to the damn queen and went along with th letter to Robb as well without even mentioning Arya.
It's interesting to me that so many people feel this way. At this point in the story, I simply see her as a 13 year old girl plucked from just about any era, with visions of marrying a prince and living happily ever after, and being dropped into a "real" story. Sure she's selfish, she's protecting her dream of marrying a prince and becoming a queen...but I know several girls around that age who probably would act very similarly at least at first...but perhaps she'll learn, like most real life girls do, that the real world is something quite different from fairy tale marriages and happily ever after. After the end of the last episode, I'd say that's more likely than ever.
 
Only a spoiler if you have not seen the last episode...

Has Sean Bean ever made it through a role without being killed?
 
Only a spoiler if you have not seen the last episode...

Has Sean Bean ever made it through a role without being killed?
Oooh, here we go: -http://www.compleatseanbean.com/deathbycow.htmlLast updated in 2009, so there's certainly more dying left off the list, apart from Game of Thrones.
 
I enjoyed American Gods. Gaiman wrote a follow up, Anansi Boys, that didn't concern Shadow, as well as a short story where Shadow fights Grendel. So they could do a few different things with it. I think he might have written a few short stories set in the world of "American Gods" that may not have centered on Shadow, actually.

 
I enjoyed American Gods. Gaiman wrote a follow up, Anansi Boys, that didn't concern Shadow, as well as a short story where Shadow fights Grendel. So they could do a few different things with it. I think he might have written a few short stories set in the world of "American Gods" that may not have centered on Shadow, actually.
Anansi Boys was great fun too. Haven't checked out the short stories, though.
 
I enjoyed American Gods. Gaiman wrote a follow up, Anansi Boys, that didn't concern Shadow, as well as a short story where Shadow fights Grendel. So they could do a few different things with it. I think he might have written a few short stories set in the world of "American Gods" that may not have centered on Shadow, actually.
Anansi Boys was great fun too. Haven't checked out the short stories, though.
I liked Anansi better that American Gods. I would rather see the graveyard book or neverwhere adapted. American gods was probably my least fav by him. The BBC version of neverwhere suuucked.
 
Just got through reading the Arya chapter corresponding to "Baelor." I'm going to wait and watch the final two episodes on Father's Day.

 

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