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Wheel, the Meadow parking issues was merely to build tension -- and it worked. I'm sure many figured that Tony, Carm and A.J. might get gunned down, and Meadow being delayed due to being a sucky parallel parker saved her from being in the crossfire.

I was thinking it was fate that she didn't enter the restaurant 30 seconds, 1 minute earlier. But why? Still kinda scratching my head, but I understand the logic behind it.
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Was Tony wearing a different shirt at the table than he was when he entered the restaurant?

When I saw it, it looked like Tony was walking in on his family sitting down, including himself. I'd really like an explanation/theory on that angle.
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Was Tony wearing a different shirt at the table than he was when he entered the restaurant?

When I saw it, it looked like Tony was walking in on his family sitting down, including himself. I'd really like an explanation/theory on that angle.
Haven't gone back to look but that's what I thought I saw too.
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As far as an actual ending to this episode- how about ending it after the scene with Tony and Junior? That would've worked for me. Perhaps with a shot of Junior looking out into the sky clueless as to what's going on around him and Tony looking at Junior, perhaps seeing his own future - alone and unable to comprehend anything that's going on around him?Would that have worked for others?

I actually thought that WAS the ending... was surprised when it went over a couple minutes. I agree, I think that would have been a better ending - Tony & Junior @ the nut house.
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I thought the guy that got up to go to the bathroom was undercover FBI, then he would cuff Tony and be taken out past a beleaguered and dissappointed Meadow who then would defend him since she just got hired by a law firm at $170k a year.

He wouldn't need to be undercover. They come with indictments and a smile.
True, but in those last 2 minutes with my mind racing, trying to figure what was about to happen, I wasn't thinking rationally. :shrug:
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I don't know guys, I"m gonna watch it again, but I think there was HUGE significance to AJ saying like you said beforeREMEMBER THE GOOD TIMES

Tony didn't remember saying that to A.J., but I can tell you exactly when he did. It was at the end of season 1 at Artie's restaurant during the blackout and the storm. Paulie was at the next table with poison ivy.Carry on. :shrug:
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I don't know guys, I"m gonna watch it again, but I think there was HUGE significance to AJ saying like you said beforeREMEMBER THE GOOD TIMESI think that's what Chase is leaving us with. Just my 2 cents.

I loved how Tony didn't remember that. That was what he said at the ending of season 1.
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I don't know guys, I"m gonna watch it again, but I think there was HUGE significance to AJ saying like you said beforeREMEMBER THE GOOD TIMES

Tony didn't remember saying that to A.J., but I can tell you exactly when he did. It was at the end of season 1 at Artie's restaurant during the blackout and the storm. Paulie was at the next table with poison ivy.Carry on. :lmao:
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It's as if Chase got really pissed off with people not fully appreciating his genius and watching only for the whackings.

"OK HBO, here's how I'll end it. I'll write a beautiful final season setting up the final episode, then once I get the audience on the edge of their seats, I'll screw with them for an hour and five minutes, mocking them and their insignificant lives, then I'll cut to black. Don't worry about the ending. Most of them will debate it forever anyway, wanting and expecting more even. I'll be retired in Costa Rica if you need to send me the money we made off of them.

Giggling/Yawning,

David"

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I think as some point in this million page thread someone said that Chase said to look back to the beginning of the season for answers.

The first episode in season six was called "Members Only".

The guy in the diner at the end was listed as "Man in Members Only Jacket".

In the Members only episode, it was Eugene Pontecorvo who wore the jacket.

Eugene Pontecorvo:

Was working with the Feds.

Ultimately kills himself; but not before

Shooting somebody in a diner.

Not that any of that means anything, but:

I think it's entirely plausible that in one alternate ending he shoots Tony, and in another he just walks back to his seat.

Here's a story about the guy in the diner at the end, apparently he runs a pizza parlor and isn't really an actor.

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Who knew that the music of Journey could be used so ironically? At the end of an otherwise satisfying "Sopranos" series finale, creator David Chase threw one final curveball at his audience. In his first episode as both writer and director since the series pilot, Chase sent Tony to a family dinner at Holsten's ice cream parlor in Bloomfield. Many previous seasons had ended on a Soprano family tableau -- A.J. even quoted something Tony said at Vesuvio back in the season one finale -- but this one was edited to seem far more ominous. As the sounds of Steve Perry wailing on "Don't Stop Believing" filled the soundtrack, Tony kept eyeing the door and the other patrons as first Carmela, then A.J. arrived, while we spent an interminable amount of time watching Meadow double park. The camera kept focusing on a shady-looking character at the bar with more than a passing resemblance to the late Eugene Pontecorvo (down to the Member's Only jacket) who was studying Tony, but then his advance on Tony turned out to be a trip to the men's room. Meadow finally parked, dashed towards Holsten's, the camera cut back to Tony in close-up looking at something, Perry sang the words "Don't stop," and...... nothing. No hint of whether Tony was looking at Meadow or something else entirely (perhaps the feds coming to arrest him after Carlo Gervasi apparently flipped), no music of any kind, just a fast cut to black and then the closing credits playing out in complete silence. Whether you were waiting for one of the more popular predicted endings -- Tony in Witness Protection, Tony killed by Phil's guys, Furio and/or the Russian coming back for revenge, what have you -- or just for an ending, period, chances are that cut to black had you pulling a William Shatner in "Wrath of Khan," pointing your face at the heavens and bellowing, "CHAAAAASE!!!!!!" And yet the finale, both the first 55 minutes of it and that sadistic last scene, fit perfectly with everything Chase has done on this show before. Did we get the violent fireworks of last week? Absolutely not, as the only deaths of the hour were Phil Leotardo (gunned down at a gas station, then, in a gruesome indignity, his skull crushed post-mortem by his rolling car) and A.J.'s SUV (which caught fire while idling near a pile of leaves). But that's been the pattern of every season: the major action goes in the penultimate episode, while the finale is saved for quiet reflection and the odd whacking or two. So Tony and Butchie DeConcini negotiated a peace treaty -- with the tacit understanding that Tony's guys could eliminate the out-of-control Phil -- a third of the way through the episode, and the bulk of the hour focused on Tony's lower-case family. Janice faced life without Bacala (and a lifetime of torment for Bobby's kids), and once again invoked the name and memory of Livia Soprano, going about in pity for herself. Janice and Tony each visited Junior in the run-down state facility he was banished to when his cash ran out, but Corrado didn't recognize them. Meadow planned her wedding to Patrick Parisi and badly wounded Tony (without realizing it) by telling him that she decided to quit med school and become a lawyer because of her relationship to him. And in the episode's centerpiece -- and the origin of its title, "Made in America" -- A.J. continued his political awakening, only to have Tony and Carmela seduce him back into the same comfortably numb existence he used to have. When some of the guests at Bacala's wake started discussing "American Idol" and "Dreamgirls," A.J. harangued them for focusing on entertainment fluff. "The world. Don't you see it?" he complained, then later said, "It's like America. This is still where people come to make it. It's a beautiful idea. And then what do they get? Bling and come-ons for (stuff) they don't need and can't afford?" He talked of enlisting in the Army, though he wavered on whether it was to make the world a better place or just to get a job as Donald Trump's personal chopper pilot.Yet by episode's end, A.J. had abandoned his newfound morality in favor of a shiny BMW, a job as the "development executive" for Little Carmine's movie company and his parents' promise of his own nightclub to follow. From the start, Chase has used "The Sopranos" as an indictment of modern American values and how, time after time, we all sacrifice principle in favor of self-interest. Maybe A.J. had achieved enlightenment or maybe not. But Tony and Carmela couldn't have their little boy risking his own life in the military (they wanted him to get the discipline without the risk), so they anesthetized him back into the materialistic lifestyle they understand so well. This is what America makes today, Chase seemed to be saying: permissive, selfish parents and kids who mimic them.Back to that final scene. Without it, we have a completely reasonable finale, one that provides closure on enough plot threads (the war with New York ends, Paulie is promoted to the captaincy of the Family's lucrative construction business, A.J. finds new direction, etc.) that the few left open (notably whether Carlo flipped and what that means, legally, for Tony) don't particularly sting. It's the "life goes on" ending I'd been speculating on for months. But then, but then, but then... then Chase has to do what he loves to do more than any other man in show business: completely mess with his viewers' expectations (and their heads). I don't consider it a cliffhanger, something to set up a movie, as I doubt there will ever be a movie (and if there is, it'll be set in the past). He did it because he hates the conventions of TV series narrative in general, and putting a bow on things in particular. That's why the Russian never came back, why the Melfi rape plotline was dismissed with a single word ("No"), why none of the FBI's previous rats ever amounted to anything, etc. He's convinced the audience doesn't need to be spoon-fed, to the point where he might go for a non-ending like this, something so jarring, so abrupt and so filled with misdirection (my guess is there was no danger at all, that Tony was simply watching Meadow's entrance) that it might come across like an insult to the audience who have stuck with the show through thick and thin. Somehow, though, it feels like the perfect final note. Why wouldn't a show that's taken such pleasure in rewriting the rules of storytelling -- from making a sociopathic thug its hero on down -- go out in the least conventional way possible? It may be maddening, but it's what David Chase does. Some other thoughts on "Made in America": -A theory proposed by a reader of the NJ.com Sopranos blog using the handle Lorbnash: the nine episodes of this season have represented the nine circles of Hell from Dante's "The Divine Comedy." The fourth circle, for instance, is for the greedy and the miserly; the fourth episode was Tony and Hesh's gambling showdown. The seventh circle is where the suicides go; A.J. took his dip in the family pool in episode seven. The ninth circle is for the traitors, and Butchie implicitly betrayed Phil. (For added fun, reader Joe Adler pointed out the similarities between the Eugene Delacroix painting "The Barque of Dante" and the Annie Leibovitz promotional image on the season five DVD set. Google them both if you want your mind blown.) -Lots of surrogates and callbacks throughout. Junior confuses Janice and Livia (and Janice and Nica). Tony uses A.J.'s shrink (a leggy, coolly professional woman in the Lorraine Bracco mode) as a Melfi stand-in. A.J. quotes Livia's "Always with the drama," and later Tony's line from the season one finale. Paulie believes the cat from the safehouse has some supernatural connection to Christopher and also notes the bad history of the captains in charge of Jersey construction (though he left out Jimmy "The Rat" Altieri). -Another "Whatever happened to Gary Cooper?" moment: the tour bus drives through Little Italy while the guide explains how the thriving neighborhood is now essentially a single block of shops and cafes -- so tiny that, when Butchie gets too wrapped up in a phone call to Phil, he wanders out of Little Italy altogether.-Who knew Agent Harris had such a dark side? He's conducting an affair with his counterpart at the Brooklyn field office, and he's actively rooting for Tony to take out Phil.-Finally, thanks for all the questions, theories and compliments you've sent me over the years as I've written about this show. "The Sopranos" is over, but our coverage of it has a few days to go -- and my work as the Star-Ledger's TV critic has a lot longer than that. The "Sopranos" blog will feature at least two reader mailbags as the week moves along, as there's still much to discuss. If you're following me on-line, you can find my columns at nj.com/tv/ledger, and I also have a separate blog called What's Alan Watching where I do analysis of lots of shows (though few merit the kind of rigorous analysis I've devoted to "Sopranos"). This has been fun.

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My apologies if this was brought up before but Chase reportedly filmed three different endings so whoever mentioned the possibility of others showing up on the Season 6 DVD set; I'd say that's a pretty good bet. Here's a quote from Chase talking about the ending in Entertainment Weekly:

"There'll be people who will like the finale and people who won't like it," Chase recently told Entertainment Weekly. "But I think that if people look at what the show was, or could even watch the whole story again, they'll understand what the ending is."

Discuss.

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I didn't even think the AJ stuff was that bad.. the SUV fire snapped him out of his depression, so he gets a bit of a happy ending and his parents get a little closer to him. Ultimately he's so shallow that the idea of getting his "club" totally squashes his dream to join the Army, but that's the Sopranos.

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But then, but then, but then... then Chase has to do what he loves to do more than any other man in show business: completely mess with his viewers' expectations (and their heads). I don't consider it a cliffhanger, something to set up a movie, as I doubt there will ever be a movie (and if there is, it'll be set in the past). He did it because he hates the conventions of TV series narrative in general, and putting a bow on things in particular.

So he proceeds to use what has actually become a conventional approach - the "it's not really an ending" ending. In an attempt to not fall prey to "conventional TV series narrative" he actually falls victim to a cliche and fails to come up with an ounce of originality in his series final moment. Chase didn't mess with my expectations. He simply did not meet them.
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Say what you want about creativity, leaving it to the viewer to decide what happens...whatever.The bottom line is the audience and the fans were cheated. I didn't need the big bloody ending or money shot or whatever....I simply wanted an ending.Freaking Chase took years in between seasons at times, made us suffer through dream sequence, week after week. Hundreds of story lines left swinging in the breeze.....I don't think it is too much to ask to make the finale worthwhile and give the fans satisfaction in the ending, one way or another. He took the cheap way out and dissapointed the very people who made the show great.What a tool.

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I am glad we got a happy ending. Tony still has the only people he can truly trust. After all he has been through, they are still there for each other. It is rare that happens these days in a normal family, yet alone the insanity that is Tony Soprano's life.

Sure, Tony always has to look over his shoulder and he has another potential criminal trial, but for a moment life is good. I am glad to see Tony, Carm, AJ, and Meadow happy as I feel like they have become part of my family over the last 8 years.

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:confused: What a bunch of wimps. The outrage!!!It was fine. Better than I thought it would be.

Sometimes I wonder what show people have watched for 86 episodes. Expecting a huge, ridiculous Scarface shootout? CHECKWondering why they're focused on his family? CHECKComplaining about Tony's therapy? CHECKUnsatisfied and complaining about no resolution? CHECKIt's been this way throughout. Either some of you people are extremely hard-headed, just don't get it, just don't care or are in denial about what the show is about. Unbelievable.
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:confused: What a bunch of wimps. The outrage!!!It was fine. Better than I thought it would be.

Sometimes I wonder what show people have watched for 86 episodes. Expecting a huge, ridiculous Scarface shootout? CHECKWondering why they're focused on his family? CHECKComplaining about Tony's therapy? CHECKUnsatisfied and complaining about no resolution? CHECKIt's been this way throughout. Either some of you people are extremely hard-headed, just don't get it, just don't care or are in denial about what the show is about. Unbelievable.
Good posting.I'd like to thank these people for watching though. Because of them The Sopranos was able to reach 86.
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my take is this:

they made a point to show the "flashback" of him and Bobby in the boat. when they talk about dying (wacked) and they bring up that when it happens you don't even know it is coming. from season one until now we have been basically watching the Sopranos via Tony's eyes. my opinion is the guy from the bar who went to the bathroom comes out from behind and "lights out". tony dies and the sceen goes black. we (in essence tony) are watching the door, etc. and when he goes, we go. the passion and fixation with this show basically comes down to Tony and in a way we are Tony. so when the "big bang" comes and it goes black for him it goes black for us. his end or our end.

or they are selling the multiple endings on the DVD set and/or saving it for a movie.

who knows. at least it did not end with anoth stupid dream sequence.

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My apologies if this was brought up before but Chase reportedly filmed three different endings so whoever mentioned the possibility of others showing up on the Season 6 DVD set; I'd say that's a pretty good bet. Here's a quote from Chase talking about the ending in Entertainment Weekly:"There'll be people who will like the finale and people who won't like it," Chase recently told Entertainment Weekly. "But I think that if people look at what the show was, or could even watch the whole story again, they'll understand what the ending is." Discuss.

His point being that only an idiot could pretend to know how it ends (after multiple viewings) when in reality (as Livia said) "in the end it's all a big nothing" and the show's actual end was nothing other than Chase metaphorically flipping off the people he sucked in. OK, going to watch again, back in a bit to let you know how it ends!
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:lmao: What a bunch of wimps. The outrage!!!It was fine. Better than I thought it would be.

Sometimes I wonder what show people have watched for 86 episodes. Expecting a huge, ridiculous Scarface shootout? CHECKWondering why they're focused on his family? CHECKComplaining about Tony's therapy? CHECKUnsatisfied and complaining about no resolution? CHECKIt's been this way throughout. Either some of you people are extremely hard-headed, just don't get it, just don't care or are in denial about what the show is about. Unbelievable.
Now that the Sopranos is over, what is the next show you'll attempt to educate the unclean masses about?
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:lmao: What a bunch of wimps. The outrage!!!It was fine. Better than I thought it would be.

Sometimes I wonder what show people have watched for 86 episodes. Expecting a huge, ridiculous Scarface shootout? CHECKWondering why they're focused on his family? CHECKComplaining about Tony's therapy? CHECKUnsatisfied and complaining about no resolution? CHECKIt's been this way throughout. Either some of you people are extremely hard-headed, just don't get it, just don't care or are in denial about what the show is about. Unbelievable.
Now that the Sopranos is over, what is the next show you'll attempt to educate the unclean masses about?
I couldn't hope to educate you morons.;) Edited by Capella
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Yeah, uh, so I was kinda thinking that the SUV burned from a bomb gone wrong, but that was just my initial reaction. I'm not too up on what happens when car bombs don't really go well.

And, to make sure my post stays on the present topic, rabble rabble rabble

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;) What a bunch of wimps. The outrage!!!It was fine. Better than I thought it would be.

Sometimes I wonder what show people have watched for 86 episodes. Expecting a huge, ridiculous Scarface shootout? CHECKWondering why they're focused on his family? CHECKComplaining about Tony's therapy? CHECKUnsatisfied and complaining about no resolution? CHECKIt's been this way throughout. Either some of you people are extremely hard-headed, just don't get it, just don't care or are in denial about what the show is about. Unbelievable.
Good posting.I'd like to thank these people for watching though. Because of them The Sopranos was able to reach 86.
Nobody's watching Big Love, yet that's coming back for another season. :lmao:
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my take is this:they made a point to show the "flashback" of him and Bobby in the boat. when they talk about dying (wacked) and they bring up that when it happens you don't even know it is coming. from season one until now we have been basically watching the Sopranos via Tony's eyes. my opinion is the guy from the bar who went to the bathroom comes out from behind and "lights out". tony dies and the sceen goes black.

I considered this but I think it's majorly flawed. Who was after Tony at that point? Nobody. He was eyeing multiple patrons suspiciously - that guy, the guy with the USA hat, the black guys - because that's how he lived.Perhaps the final frame is designed to create confusion, but it seems pretty clear to me that all is what it seems at that point. People are making too big a deal about it.
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:lmao: What a bunch of wimps. The outrage!!!It was fine. Better than I thought it would be.

Better then you thought it would be?I think most were like me. Staring at the clock in disbelief every ten minutes waiting for anything to happen. I don't need a gun battle either. Maybe something funny or sentimental. Instead we get AJ talking about joining the Army or him producing a movie. The finale was weak from start to finish. Chase is incredible. A genius. But that doesn't make this finale any less a misfire.
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;) What a bunch of wimps. The outrage!!!It was fine. Better than I thought it would be.

Sometimes I wonder what show people have watched for 86 episodes. Expecting a huge, ridiculous Scarface shootout? CHECKWondering why they're focused on his family? CHECKComplaining about Tony's therapy? CHECKUnsatisfied and complaining about no resolution? CHECKIt's been this way throughout. Either some of you people are extremely hard-headed, just don't get it, just don't care or are in denial about what the show is about. Unbelievable.
Good posting.I'd like to thank these people for watching though. Because of them The Sopranos was able to reach 86.
Nobody's watching Big Love, yet that's coming back for another season. :lmao:
My wife is excited about Big Love. Hopefully I can cancel HBO tomorrow morning and they'll cut it off before 8pm.
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;) What a bunch of wimps. The outrage!!!It was fine. Better than I thought it would be.

Sometimes I wonder what show people have watched for 86 episodes. Expecting a huge, ridiculous Scarface shootout? CHECKWondering why they're focused on his family? CHECKComplaining about Tony's therapy? CHECKUnsatisfied and complaining about no resolution? CHECKIt's been this way throughout. Either some of you people are extremely hard-headed, just don't get it, just don't care or are in denial about what the show is about. Unbelievable.
Good posting.I'd like to thank these people for watching though. Because of them The Sopranos was able to reach 86.
Nobody's watching Big Love, yet that's coming back for another season. :lmao:
My wife is excited about Big Love. Hopefully I can cancel HBO tomorrow morning and they'll cut it off before 8pm.
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Interesting theory here from an anonymous blogger:

All episodes are presented from T's perspective. Tony enters the restrauant, but the director puts him temporally displaced, actually watching himself seated, to remind us of that fact.Meadow is upset; she needs to talk to Dad (after all, she is a Mob lawyer) perhaps to warn him. Her agitation makes her attempt to parallel park difficult.A man with a form-fitting Member's Only coat (you remember those - the 80's Journey song about a small town boy helps us notice that) Maybe he is settling a score for Phil, who was locked with him up for 20 years, and he only has wardrobe from that era - and is short on cash, hence Phil's plan "B". He enters the restraunt, following AJ, but Tony dismisses him since that tight coat could not conceal a weapon (Tony would pick up on that) and the guy uses the bathroom. That's where the gun is.Tony is seated in the direct line of fire from the bathrooom, which is excecuted at the moment he sees his daughter enter the restaraunt - the last thing he sees. Again, since the show framend in his perspetive, the screen simply goes blank.We can assume that by the time Meadow gets to the restraunt door, Tony looks at her, not seeing the .380 directed at this temple. (A scenario not unlike Phil, who is admonshing his wife about a perscription pick-up when he is killed.) He is reflecting on AJ's comment to remember the good times, and he is glad to see Meadow. Then the shot is fired.Tony's last moment is enjoying his family, remembering the good times, and feeling the relief all parents feel when first seeing a child that is overdue. Not bad for a guy who had it comming.Remember a previous episode: you never hear the bullet that kills you.

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Interesting theory here from an anonymous blogger:

All episodes are presented from T's perspective. Tony enters the restrauant, but the director puts him temporally displaced, actually watching himself seated, to remind us of that fact.Meadow is upset; she needs to talk to Dad (after all, she is a Mob lawyer) perhaps to warn him. Her agitation makes her attempt to parallel park difficult.A man with a form-fitting Member's Only coat (you remember those - the 80's Journey song about a small town boy helps us notice that) Maybe he is settling a score for Phil, who was locked with him up for 20 years, and he only has wardrobe from that era - and is short on cash, hence Phil's plan "B". He enters the restraunt, following AJ, but Tony dismisses him since that tight coat could not conceal a weapon (Tony would pick up on that) and the guy uses the bathroom. That's where the gun is.Tony is seated in the direct line of fire from the bathrooom, which is excecuted at the moment he sees his daughter enter the restaraunt - the last thing he sees. Again, since the show framend in his perspetive, the screen simply goes blank.We can assume that by the time Meadow gets to the restraunt door, Tony looks at her, not seeing the .380 directed at this temple. (A scenario not unlike Phil, who is admonshing his wife about a perscription pick-up when he is killed.) He is reflecting on AJ's comment to remember the good times, and he is glad to see Meadow. Then the shot is fired.Tony's last moment is enjoying his family, remembering the good times, and feeling the relief all parents feel when first seeing a child that is overdue. Not bad for a guy who had it comming.Remember a previous episode: you never hear the bullet that kills you.

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That was my first impression when the screen went black. There was something missing with the way the scene was executed and it didn't have that punched in the gut impact.
I want to believe the blackout signified Tony being whacked, but who would be after him if he made the peace with NY and had the ok to whack Phil?
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Interesting theory here from an anonymous blogger:

All episodes are presented from T's perspective. Tony enters the restrauant, but the director puts him temporally displaced, actually watching himself seated, to remind us of that fact.Meadow is upset; she needs to talk to Dad (after all, she is a Mob lawyer) perhaps to warn him. Her agitation makes her attempt to parallel park difficult.A man with a form-fitting Member's Only coat (you remember those - the 80's Journey song about a small town boy helps us notice that) Maybe he is settling a score for Phil, who was locked with him up for 20 years, and he only has wardrobe from that era - and is short on cash, hence Phil's plan "B". He enters the restraunt, following AJ, but Tony dismisses him since that tight coat could not conceal a weapon (Tony would pick up on that) and the guy uses the bathroom. That's where the gun is.Tony is seated in the direct line of fire from the bathrooom, which is excecuted at the moment he sees his daughter enter the restaraunt - the last thing he sees. Again, since the show framend in his perspetive, the screen simply goes blank.We can assume that by the time Meadow gets to the restraunt door, Tony looks at her, not seeing the .380 directed at this temple. (A scenario not unlike Phil, who is admonshing his wife about a perscription pick-up when he is killed.) He is reflecting on AJ's comment to remember the good times, and he is glad to see Meadow. Then the shot is fired.Tony's last moment is enjoying his family, remembering the good times, and feeling the relief all parents feel when first seeing a child that is overdue. Not bad for a guy who had it comming.Remember a previous episode: you never hear the bullet that kills you.

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That was my first impression when the screen went black. There was something missing with the way the scene was executed and it didn't have that punched in the gut impact.
I want to believe the blackout signified Tony being whacked, but who would be after him if he made the peace with NY and had the ok to whack Phil?
I'm sure somebody will make that up too, just like they made up all the stuff above.Sure is a reach and a hell of a lot to keep hidden from the audience. Wonder if all that was in italics, in the screenplay?
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