(HULK)
(Smash)
Good. I'll advocate piracy in this instance.
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☞ Official SOPRANOS Thread (4 Viewers)
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shadyridr
Footballguy
This has been repeated to death in this thread and I too thought my Directv went out right at the climactic moment.What I havent seen anyone mention. Was I the only one that waited until after the credits were over praying that there was one final scene to end the series?
Wingnut
Footballguy
yes. Most peoples TVs were in pieces by the time the credits ended.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Maybe Harris knew Carlo had already flipped, meaning he would have direct testimony from someone who just in on a murder (Phil) that Tony ordered. Him saying that could have meant, that after years of trying to nail Tony, they were finally going to. Yes, he contributed to Phil's death by giving Tony info, but, to him, that could be just another mob boss that won't be around anymore.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Okay, I'd like to hear some answers to one question.
Putting aside the "because Chase wants to #### with you" thoughts, are there any other opinions out there on what the explanation would be to having the end of the finale snap into a black screen like that other than Tony's death?
I just want to hear what people think that meant so I can consider it.
Putting aside the "because Chase wants to #### with you" thoughts, are there any other opinions out there on what the explanation would be to having the end of the finale snap into a black screen like that other than Tony's death?
I just want to hear what people think that meant so I can consider it.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Not ####ing with the audience, but rather leaving it open to interpretation and discussion. I think he's basically letting the viewer "end" the show the way he/she wants. Is that a cop-out or an interesting way to conclude (basically by not concluding) a story? That's open for discussion, but you have to admit, even if you didn't like it, that it's pretty much in keeping with the way the show has been presented from the get-go.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Awesome. In fact, the screen should have been blank for the entire hour. Imagine all of the interesting scenarios our minds could have created!
Capella
Footballguy
You know that how? Because of some moron you heard on the radio?
_4_
Footballguy
If you are going with the premise that Tony is still alive, you can't take the "snap to black" as an isolated moment. You have to consider the entire episode. Life goes on. The things that JetsWillWin worries about and deals with are the same as the Sopranos. AJ has a new car, a sexy little girlfriend to satisfy his pedophile cravings, and a new job where he gets paid to do nothing. Meadow has a new job, a boyfriend and dents in her fenders. Carm is still horsefaced and worrying about how mail piling up and has a rekindled interest in staying on easy street so she doesn't have to smell old peoples urine. Tony tied up loose ends with Junior, Sil et al, and knows he is in for a long drawn out court fight. When people ask me in the course of a day, "What's going on?" as a general salutation, I answer quite often - "Life, and there is little we can do to stop it". Snap to black. Life goes on.
riverrat
Footballguy
Drifter
Footballguy
As I posted last night, the show was always about Tony and his real family, not Tony and his mafia family.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Also, since when did Butch and the others have a problem with Phil? Their disenchantment with him, came out of nowhere last night, almost like Chase had to wrap that storyline up quickly, so he manufactured that animosity, making it easy for them to find and kill Phil quickly. I thought that was kinda lazy.
Capella
Footballguy
Drudge has 4 reviews on his page panning it.
1st link on the Drudge report, 3rd graph down
You and I must have a different definition of "panning it".
gump
Footballguy
It has been said that Chase knew how the show would end when he created it, right?
I think we misunderstood that. He may or may not have known how the STORY would end...but I believe he knew he would end it unlike any ever...completely open to multiple variations by the audience.
I think we misunderstood that. He may or may not have known how the STORY would end...but I believe he knew he would end it unlike any ever...completely open to multiple variations by the audience.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Yes, he was shot in the head while eating onion rings.so you think he died.
chet
Footballguy
So why did he tell Junior to give the money to Bobby's kids instead of Janice? He has no blood relation to the kids and Janice is his sister.
(HULK)
(Smash)
It makes a lot of sense. Plus, Chase himself said they were shooting multiple endings. You don't think those will be on the DVD?
Capella
Footballguy
No. The DVDs have never had any extras, other than an interview or two.
PC Load Letter
Irregardless.
They were speaking Portuguese!
(HULK)
(Smash)
AJ is the Smoke Monster
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Cuz Bobby was a made guy.-QG
John Mamula
Moderator
it was a great ending.
it showed how happy tony and his family was now that their current issue was over. they were either oblivious or content with the fact that there is always the possibility of someone out to kill him to take over or to get revenge. compare that to the audience who is not in the mob lifestyle agonizing over every possibly person that might kill him.
the ending showed that no matter how happy tony is, he is always in danger and will likely be eventually killed if not spending the rest of his life in prison. it was this suspense that the sopranos was so good at building as well as showing the duality of the mob lifestyle that made this show and this ending so great.
it made you realize that there was no happy ending by being in the mob, and if wasnt jail or murder, at best you get to spend the end of your days in a home not knowing who anyone is or the power you had while relatives try to steal your money.
great show, and really no other ending would be better than this one.
it showed how happy tony and his family was now that their current issue was over. they were either oblivious or content with the fact that there is always the possibility of someone out to kill him to take over or to get revenge. compare that to the audience who is not in the mob lifestyle agonizing over every possibly person that might kill him.
the ending showed that no matter how happy tony is, he is always in danger and will likely be eventually killed if not spending the rest of his life in prison. it was this suspense that the sopranos was so good at building as well as showing the duality of the mob lifestyle that made this show and this ending so great.
it made you realize that there was no happy ending by being in the mob, and if wasnt jail or murder, at best you get to spend the end of your days in a home not knowing who anyone is or the power you had while relatives try to steal your money.
great show, and really no other ending would be better than this one.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Apu
Footballguy
A few episodes ago, weren't Tony and one of his men talking about getting whacked. I want to say it was him and Bobbie on the boat. Something about, when it's your time to go, you don't see it coming, everything just goes black?
Sorry if someone has mentioned this before or if it's incorrect information.
Sorry if someone has mentioned this before or if it's incorrect information.
Vic Vega
Footballguy
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Righetti
Footballguy
The Righetti theory.
The reason it cuts so abrubtly is because just like the song which we've all heard 100 times, the story of the Sodano's is the same
as a million stories we've seen.. The reason you don't hear the end of the song is because the story doesn't end. over the past
8 years we've seen a glimpse of the life of Tony but it's only that a glimpse, things don't all get tied together on screen
because we are only seeing a part of life for them. I think you have to assume that Tony lives, his family is on the right
track and his 'family' is back to being on track.. he's lost a few guys but in his world that is like losing a buddy because
he moves away or losing a guy you work with because he takes a different gig. There is no empathy or sympathy, it's just a
quick caption of his life and we've been privied to see it.
His biggest difference is that every guy that walks into a restaurant could be out to kill him, but this also han't really changed
He was fighting/fearing for his life in Season 1 and he still fights/fears for his life in season 6
His family has ups-downs moving forward but things end up OK in the long run
The reason it cuts so abrubtly is because just like the song which we've all heard 100 times, the story of the Sodano's is the same
as a million stories we've seen.. The reason you don't hear the end of the song is because the story doesn't end. over the past
8 years we've seen a glimpse of the life of Tony but it's only that a glimpse, things don't all get tied together on screen
because we are only seeing a part of life for them. I think you have to assume that Tony lives, his family is on the right
track and his 'family' is back to being on track.. he's lost a few guys but in his world that is like losing a buddy because
he moves away or losing a guy you work with because he takes a different gig. There is no empathy or sympathy, it's just a
quick caption of his life and we've been privied to see it.
His biggest difference is that every guy that walks into a restaurant could be out to kill him, but this also han't really changed
He was fighting/fearing for his life in Season 1 and he still fights/fears for his life in season 6
His family has ups-downs moving forward but things end up OK in the long run
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
This is my main issue with this theory.
John Mamula
Moderator
i am just now reading through the responses.
lmFAo at everyone flipping out at the ending almost as bad as people in the shark pool when projections are a 1/2 hour late.
the people crying apparently only understood the violence and not the many subtle intricate details chase would lay into each episode. sad that so many only saw what was on the surface and not what was beneath as that was even better than the violence.
lmFAo at everyone flipping out at the ending almost as bad as people in the shark pool when projections are a 1/2 hour late.
the people crying apparently only understood the violence and not the many subtle intricate details chase would lay into each episode. sad that so many only saw what was on the surface and not what was beneath as that was even better than the violence.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
JZilla
Footballguy
Maybe the cameraman got shot.
Johnny Detroit
Footballguy
chase's attempt to be brilliant made him look stupid.
if he would stop trying to be an "Artist" he would see the real brilliance is not in the over-use of dream sequences or us being Tony in the final scene.
tony is the brilliance. here is a guy that killed his best friend, nephew (in name), cousin. regardless of reason, he also tried to kill his mom and uncle. he ruined a childhood friend's life (scatino). dumped asbesto to make money. cheated on his wife. swindled people with stock scams. scammed the government for money meant to rebuild the ghetto (the house scam). the list goes on and on. but despite all this, everyone (for the most part) who watched the show loved and rooted for Tony. just as darth vader was the cool bad guy, tony took the cake as one of the best characters in tv history. the ultimate scum bag who for some odd reason we all loved.
also, i do not think "anyone" gets it. there are 1000 theories at all the boards and blogs. until chase says what he was trying to do, anything is possible (including the cat avenging chrissy).
if it was such a great brilliant ending, everyone watching would go, wow, i get it. they woudl piece together everything and say how everything was tied together. problem is, all the pieces could make something else.
for example. everyone keeps saying the scene with bobby and not knowing. it just goes black, etc. maybe that had nothing to do with tony or the end. maybe it applied to bobby. he saw it coming. he was shot from the front. he saw it coming. it was not quick. it was not quiet. it did not just go black. he was shot mulitple times in a load barrage of gun fire with people screaming.
i get it in my own way, but still think a visual closure to end it would of made more sense. the killing of bobby was a "wow" scene that made you kind of hold your breathe. the same thing could of happened to tony.
if he would stop trying to be an "Artist" he would see the real brilliance is not in the over-use of dream sequences or us being Tony in the final scene.
tony is the brilliance. here is a guy that killed his best friend, nephew (in name), cousin. regardless of reason, he also tried to kill his mom and uncle. he ruined a childhood friend's life (scatino). dumped asbesto to make money. cheated on his wife. swindled people with stock scams. scammed the government for money meant to rebuild the ghetto (the house scam). the list goes on and on. but despite all this, everyone (for the most part) who watched the show loved and rooted for Tony. just as darth vader was the cool bad guy, tony took the cake as one of the best characters in tv history. the ultimate scum bag who for some odd reason we all loved.
also, i do not think "anyone" gets it. there are 1000 theories at all the boards and blogs. until chase says what he was trying to do, anything is possible (including the cat avenging chrissy).
if it was such a great brilliant ending, everyone watching would go, wow, i get it. they woudl piece together everything and say how everything was tied together. problem is, all the pieces could make something else.
for example. everyone keeps saying the scene with bobby and not knowing. it just goes black, etc. maybe that had nothing to do with tony or the end. maybe it applied to bobby. he saw it coming. he was shot from the front. he saw it coming. it was not quick. it was not quiet. it did not just go black. he was shot mulitple times in a load barrage of gun fire with people screaming.
i get it in my own way, but still think a visual closure to end it would of made more sense. the killing of bobby was a "wow" scene that made you kind of hold your breathe. the same thing could of happened to tony.
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like most families
General Malaise
Footballguy
I understand plenty, thank you very much. I just don't like gimmicky endings, okay? Watching this last night was like that Otis thread in :e: where he fails to complete. We've invested years into this, I think we deserve a little more payout than what we got.Do I need violence and bloodshed? No. There's plenty of that to spare. I just want a touch more than fade to black and silence.
Koya
Footballguy
Just a question from an admitted Sopranos basher (ok, it is not a bad show, but god it isnt close to being the holy grail so many portray it as, imo)...
IF the going to black represents the death, isnt there SOME split second (even tenth of a second) SOMETHING... a click of the trigger, a quick boom - you may not realize what it is until you are dead, but its not a "fade to black" it is a "boom to black"
Just thinking aloud - not that my thoughts should have much merit since I didnt watch and dont much care. But I am, admittedly, curious.
IF the going to black represents the death, isnt there SOME split second (even tenth of a second) SOMETHING... a click of the trigger, a quick boom - you may not realize what it is until you are dead, but its not a "fade to black" it is a "boom to black"
Just thinking aloud - not that my thoughts should have much merit since I didnt watch and dont much care. But I am, admittedly, curious.
John Mamula
Moderator
lolthis is why it is brilliant.sorry he couldn't go out scarface style and then nuke new york with the dirty bomb he got from the arabs in the bing.only that would have satisfied you i guess.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Reality Football
Footballguy
I mean, there's a certain level of sick voyeuristic pleasure that most Sopranos watchers take in each season's "whackings," but some commentary on this episode makes me think that some enjoy them a bit too much.
packersfan
Footballguy
I don't think he looked stupid but like I posted before in his attempt to avoid "conventional storytelling narrative" he fell victim to a cliche. I think that's rather ironic. What may have really surprised people would have been a more conventional ending. Instead, he tried to get clever and it's arguable whether it worked and was a fitting end to this great show.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Interesting. Who are the Sodanos, though?
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
That is sooo David Chase. Genius!
JZilla
Footballguy
Another hole in the already-worn-out theory is that AJ and Carmela were both facing the restroom.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That is an unfair generalization. I am someone who totally understands that the relationship between Tony and his real family is what ultimately drove the show, not the mob violence, but I still would have liked to have gotten some sort of ending. I can understand why others would have liked last night's ending. I did not hate it by any means. It just felt like I just read a 500-page book, but when I got to the last page, it had been ripped out and there is no chance of ever finding it.
