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☞ Official SOPRANOS Thread (4 Viewers)
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
The point is, the "story," as it were, had to end somewhere. Why does everyone need finality? Tony was not killed on screen. If you choose to believe that he was capped, so be it.
Everything has to end somewhere, folks. Nobody said Tony had to be killed. Maybe the resolution is, he killed Phil, ended the war with NY and things are going back to normal. Don't like that? Then choose to believe Tony was killed in front of his family. I can't believe someone with the depth of Sopranos knowledge you have would even be remotely surprised by this choice to leave things open-ended.
I'm in the minority but I liked the ending. It lets the series go in whatever direction the individual viewer wants to take it. It also gave us 3 minutes of living in Tony's shoes and gave us a taste of how tense that kind of a life is. And for those who need more closure, based on the people from past episodes in the restaurant and Tony & Bobby's discussion 8 episodes ago of "it just going black" when you get popped it's also very plausible that Tony just took a bullet to the side/back of his head.
pricklypete
Footballguy
An Interesting ReadI haven't been able to check it out myself, but the first guy's 'theory' seems plausible.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Yeah, but why would you want to do that? Why not just show a black screen for an hour if you're going to do that? Why not just have had this whole season be blank screens and let the viewer imagine what happened after Junior shot Tony? Or why not keep making seasons until Tony is 104 years old, just so everyone out there will know everything that happens to him his entire life?
Many people (including me) found the ending unsatisfying at first, but I believe that with time, people will appreciate it more. Plus, it leaves the option of doing something more with the Tony Soprano character open, though I doubt anything more is in the offing.
Wyldfox
Footballguy
I have no problem with the ending. I actually liked it. Tony is not dead, but will always be looking over his shoulder.
I was expecting a bloodbath. I thought the diner would blow up as Meadow was running across the street, but I'm glad it didn't come to fruition.
The end was kind of foreshadowed at the very beginning of the episode when Tony wakes to classic radio and 'You just keep me hanging on' could be heard.
I was expecting a bloodbath. I thought the diner would blow up as Meadow was running across the street, but I'm glad it didn't come to fruition.
The end was kind of foreshadowed at the very beginning of the episode when Tony wakes to classic radio and 'You just keep me hanging on' could be heard.
Otis
Footballguy
Otis theory on the ending (without having read everything above, so maybe this has already been floated):
Why did it end that way? So we'd talk about it. So we'd think about it. Is it unsatisfying? Perhaps a little, if only for our innate human desire for answers and clarity. But Chase didn't want to just give in to that. He wanted us to think, to question. In recent weeks, Tony has been questioning the meaning of life (picture him out in the desert "I get it!"), AJ has been questioning what it's all about, and there has been more and more dialogue about what a mess the world is. How does it end? With a discussion of Tony's comment that you need to "remember the good times." They're both right. Life and this world are pretty screwed up, but you have to remember the good times. Through all of that, though, you shouldn't just waltz through blindly. You should continue to question, continue to wonder, and continue to imagine something else.
That's why Chase ended it the way he did. It all follows that theme. It leaves us questioning, wondering, pondering, and, although it may not be as immediately satisfying as a nice and neat ending, in the long run it's far more meaningful for everyone.
Everyone will have there own feelings about what happens when the screen goes blank, from Tony being shot, to agents walking in to drag him off to jail, to a million other things. Who knows.
I also like how the show ended with AJ back on track, cruising aroudn in the M3, super hot chick, and laughing and enjoying life again. It tied in with the theme above -- that life is bad sometimes, and good other times, but that at least, like AJ, we should question things.
It was a good ending, and I think the more people reflect on it, the more they'll appreciate it.
Why did it end that way? So we'd talk about it. So we'd think about it. Is it unsatisfying? Perhaps a little, if only for our innate human desire for answers and clarity. But Chase didn't want to just give in to that. He wanted us to think, to question. In recent weeks, Tony has been questioning the meaning of life (picture him out in the desert "I get it!"), AJ has been questioning what it's all about, and there has been more and more dialogue about what a mess the world is. How does it end? With a discussion of Tony's comment that you need to "remember the good times." They're both right. Life and this world are pretty screwed up, but you have to remember the good times. Through all of that, though, you shouldn't just waltz through blindly. You should continue to question, continue to wonder, and continue to imagine something else.
That's why Chase ended it the way he did. It all follows that theme. It leaves us questioning, wondering, pondering, and, although it may not be as immediately satisfying as a nice and neat ending, in the long run it's far more meaningful for everyone.
Everyone will have there own feelings about what happens when the screen goes blank, from Tony being shot, to agents walking in to drag him off to jail, to a million other things. Who knows.
I also like how the show ended with AJ back on track, cruising aroudn in the M3, super hot chick, and laughing and enjoying life again. It tied in with the theme above -- that life is bad sometimes, and good other times, but that at least, like AJ, we should question things.
It was a good ending, and I think the more people reflect on it, the more they'll appreciate it.
Vic Vega
Footballguy
I was kinda pissed when I watched it because I was expecting a them going out with a bigger bang than they did. But I think the episode did exactly what Chase wanted to do, and all of the uproar and questions raised are proof. The interpretation of the finale will go on forever.
Statorama
gangster
Exactly. It seems like there's this thought process in the thread which says "if you didn't like the episode, you must have just wanted to see blood and violence", which isn't true. With me, it was disappointing because of the focus on AJ, much like the focus on Jar Jar Binks in Ep I
. AJ was getting screen time I thought belonged to other members of the cast, that's all.It was like sitting with a good friend of 8 years who found out he only had an hour to live. I wouldn't spend half of it talking to him about his ####-head relative.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Yep. No one remembers the "safe" finales.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
x 2Exactly what I was saying. I really don't get why people have SUCH a problem with this, especially RN.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Anyone else bitter that they wasted so much time with the ridiculous dream sequence episodes? I absolutely hated those.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Except Cheers. That show wrapped up without wrapping up - that was about as good a final episode as there ever will be.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
I loved them.
General Malaise
Footballguy
The way he pawed AJ when he sat down led me to believe he knew he was about to get taken into custody and the family members knew it. The guys at the diner were Feds and were waiting until all 4 were down and the food was out to take him in. They were giving him one last meal with the family. The last supper. Meadow knew it, which is why she was running in. Urgent, yes, but not so urgent that she wouldn't try to park her car correctly.
i don't think he got whacked. I think he went to jail and he knew it was happening that night, told the family and they were all going to try and enjoy one last meal heads held high.
i don't think he got whacked. I think he went to jail and he knew it was happening that night, told the family and they were all going to try and enjoy one last meal heads held high.
wharf rat
Footballguy
what town is it in?
John Mamula
Moderator
Otis
Footballguy
Interesting.
Funkley
Collar: Up
Damn
Drifter
Footballguy
People are so hung up on the ending scene that they aren't discussing some of the more salient points of the show:
1. Janice telling Uncle June "I'm your daughter"
2. What exactly was AJ's epiphany that made everything okay for him?
3. Why exactly did Carmella get so upset at listening to Meadow's friend recount her success?
4. Is Uncle June completely gone or is he still just partially gone and paranoid (not telling Janice where the money is)?
5. Doogie Howser's sidekick becoming Paulie Jr - the hair, the bicep curls.
6. The FBI agent and his excitement when he heard Phil had gotten whacked.
7. The conversation with Meadow's boyfriend at dinner.
1. Janice telling Uncle June "I'm your daughter"
2. What exactly was AJ's epiphany that made everything okay for him?
3. Why exactly did Carmella get so upset at listening to Meadow's friend recount her success?
4. Is Uncle June completely gone or is he still just partially gone and paranoid (not telling Janice where the money is)?
5. Doogie Howser's sidekick becoming Paulie Jr - the hair, the bicep curls.
6. The FBI agent and his excitement when he heard Phil had gotten whacked.
7. The conversation with Meadow's boyfriend at dinner.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I can't believe so many people wanted to see Tony killed or locked up. I loved Tony (what a great character). I was on the edge of my seat during the final scene because I was so nervous that he was going to be killed- that would of really disappointed me. For him to make it that far and come that close, only to die in the final moment would have been crushing.
Also, I will never be able to hear "Don't Stop Believing" and not think of that final scene. Amazing how that song (which was insanely popular) has been forever changed.
Also, I will never be able to hear "Don't Stop Believing" and not think of that final scene. Amazing how that song (which was insanely popular) has been forever changed.
General Malaise
Footballguy
wow. my post below yours now looks very stupid.
Johnny Detroit
Footballguy
2 bad one of the black guys got shot.
packersfan
Footballguy
I saw no panic and no movement from Tony. He looked up, saw Meadow and resumed eating his onion rings. There was nothing else in the scene in my opinion that would lead people to think anything else happened.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I loved Deadwood. But apparantly it was the most expensive show HBO ever produced. So clearly Curb is a lot cheaper to make.What sucks is they keep bringing back shows like this (not saying it's bad), but they somehow can't justify continuing Deadwood, Rome or Carnivale. All three of those shows were better than Curb IMO.Flaming Moe said:
Vic Vega
Footballguy
I have to watch it a few more times to work things out for me. I didn't realize Janice said it that way. I think Junior's memory comes and goes, and he plays on that. The Paulie Jr and FBI agent thing were kinda funny.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I don't think she did.
watched that part over and over again and it's really not clear what she said. she certainly could have said "Your daughter" and it would make sense given how lost Junior seemed. But she also could have just said "Her daughter" or "the daughter". Impossible to tell, IMO.
General Malaise
Footballguy
i was confused about that Jancie scene too. I swear she said "I'm your daughter".
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
If those folks are indeed the people from past episodes, that would make the whole thing a lot better.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
This is a valid question.just curious what you were hoping for from it? what ending woulda satisfied you? and for that matter anyone else?serious questionI wasn't expecting bloodshed, just a solid finish to one of TV's great series.sorta what i expected from the finale.all the people expecting a bloody shootout must not have been paying attention for the past few years.Dave Baker said:
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
imdb doesn't have the complete cast list of each season/episode that I can find.
Johnny Detroit
Footballguy
they arent.
one of the black guys died.
complete bs from someone who must of never watched the show.
one of the black guys died.
complete bs from someone who must of never watched the show.
Drifter
Footballguy
Watched that scene about 5 times last night and it certainly sounded like she did.
_4_
Footballguy
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
gump said:
6'U was the best finale I've ever seen.GiantsRule
Footballguy
You have millions of viewers, many of them casual viewers who enjoy the basic concept of a mafia boss trying to lead two separate "families."Why would you create an ending that caters to only the select hardcore fans that follow everything down to the tiniest detail?
Johnny Detroit
Footballguy
plus no boy scouts in that episode.
any other bright ideas?
any other bright ideas?
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Who are you talking to?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
To reward the hardcore fans and give substance to the water-cooler the next week. There are TONS of TV shows and movies that use esoteric details to help the die-hards feel ownership of the production long after the masses have jumped on board.
The Gator
Footballguy
Print Is Dead
Footballguy
The actor's name is Paola Colandera. He's credited as "Man in Member's Only Jacket" in the finale.
regularguy
Footballguy
Me too, especially the Kevin Finnerty ones.I loved them.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Even so, thats very, very obscure. I thought I recognized the two black guys from the hit on tony awhile ago.If tony got whacked, why not shows us his families expressions then end it?
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Where'd you find that? Has he been used before?
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Now that I think about it, I'm sure you just rewound the credits.
Johnny Detroit
Footballguy
you guys need to stop.
there were no boy scouts in the bobby dying scene.
the black guy died and the other i believe got hit by a car as tony was dragging him down the street.
not sure where the guy is getting the thing on the guy being related to Phil. the guy at the counter was a local residence of where the set was for that scene i believe. the guy credited as "guy at diner" is this cat:
Bloomfield resident Debbie Cammarata was trying to catch a glimpse of next-door neighbor Jimmy Spadola, who has a brief role in the final episode.
*his name is in the final credits under guy at diner.
there were no boy scouts in the bobby dying scene.
the black guy died and the other i believe got hit by a car as tony was dragging him down the street.
not sure where the guy is getting the thing on the guy being related to Phil. the guy at the counter was a local residence of where the set was for that scene i believe. the guy credited as "guy at diner" is this cat:
Bloomfield resident Debbie Cammarata was trying to catch a glimpse of next-door neighbor Jimmy Spadola, who has a brief role in the final episode.
*his name is in the final credits under guy at diner.
