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What would happen if I fought a featherweight boxer? (3 Viewers)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Darchinyan

Darchinyan is known as a power puncher which is seen as unusual for a flyweight. In his third title defence, he displayed his power by knocking out Diosdado Gabi with a single straight left. In his last two fights he broke Glenn Donaire's jaw and knocked out Victor Burgos in the 12th round, who later underwent surgery to remove a blood clot from his brain. Darchinyan is looking forward towards his fight with Jorge Arce, a Mexican flyweight. He has a current record of 28-0, with 22 wins coming by way of knockout.
:yes:
How thick is a flyweight's jawbone? It can't be very robust. These guys have heads the size of grapefruits.
 
Assuming matuski is down with this after all, what are we putting the line at? Because I have about....my entire lifes savings that I'm willing to put on the featherweight.

 
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I'm only six pages into reading this thread so forgive me if I'm covering something that's already been brought up.

http://www.bepress.com/jqas/vol2/iss2/3/

This paper presents the first direct measurement of punch force in professional boxing matches. Measurements were made using a proprietary system that records the force associated with punch impact. Twelve boxers wore boxing gloves incorporating the bestshot System TM in six professional boxing matches across five different weight classes. The force of each delivered punch was measured across all rounds of all bouts. Mean punch forces delivered ranged from 866.6 N (Super Middleweight) to 1149.2 N (Light Middleweight) across the fights and was not significantly correlated with boxer’s weight.
After reading this, it looks to me as if there isn't much of a relationship between a boxer's weight and the force of his punch. That would seem to mean that getting clipped in the jaw by a 125lb guy would be pretty much as UnWAR as getting stung by a 160lb'r. If I'm reading this wrong, let me know.Now as far as real life experience goes, I knew a little Mexican dude that was trying to become a pro boxer. I guess he'd fought in a few amateur matches and done alright. Anyway, that dude would set up cones in the middle of the gym's basketball court in the shape of a ring and spend 30 - 45 minutes bopping around and shadow boxing. Dude was small. I'd guess about 130lbs soaking wet and maybe 5'5. But dude was cut and FAST. And I SWEAR I've never seen anybody throw a punch that fast in real life. No way that I, on purpose, would ever even think about mixing it up with the dude unless my life depended on it. In which case he would have beat my ###...badly. Of this I'm certain. Oh, And I'm 6'3 250lbs.

I vote that in a bar fight or in the ring some dude on the street ends up hunting for teeth after he gets rocked to sleep.

 
I vote that in a bar fight or in the ring some dude on the street ends up hunting for teeth after he gets rocked to sleep.
My stepfather was a pro boxer and this was his schtick. Big guys would find out he was a former pro boxer, they would want to prove how tough they were, he would let them throw a shot or two, then knock them out cold (on their feet) with one punch. Sometimes they would fall forward and break their noses. Nothing like leaving a guy face down in a pool of blood.One time at my sister's graduation party, some bodybuilder type was messing with my sister's boyfriend. My stepdad didnt want any trouble, so he told the big guy to leave, and if he saw him again, he'd MAKE him leave.

Well, 5 minutes he saw the bodybuilder again. This guy was sure he could take my stepdad (my stepdad was about 50, the bodybuilder was in his early 20s). Bodybuilder swings and misses, stepdad knocks him out cold, guy breaks some teeth.

Does he leave? No. He's convinced my stepdad hit him a bottle or some brass knuckles or some foreign object. He finds my stepdad, yelling "what did you hit me with? what did you hit me with?"

Stepdad says, "I hit you with the right (holds up right fist). Now Im gonna hit you with the left." and knocks the kid out cold once again.

Needless to say, he left after that.

edit to add: In case you're wondering... Mike Belski - Boxing fans might be interested to know that he helped train Michael Moorer when he was young.

 
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matuski> don't let these guys get in your head.

as your ring manager, you can take some grumpy oompa loompa out no problem.

eye of the tiger.

 
matuski> don't let these guys get in your head.as your ring manager, you can take some grumpy oompa loompa out no problem.eye of the tiger.
Listen to this guy, I can tell that he knows what he is talking about because is talking boxing lingo!
 
matuski> don't let these guys get in your head.as your ring manager, you can take some grumpy oompa loompa out no problem.eye of the tiger.
Listen to this guy, I can tell that he knows what he is talking about because is talking boxing lingo!
:thumbup: also, "jabs" are overrrated.we end this thing early like ivan drago.we'll make more hay than farmer john.
 
I'm only six pages into reading this thread so forgive me if I'm covering something that's already been brought up.

http://www.bepress.com/jqas/vol2/iss2/3/

This paper presents the first direct measurement of punch force in professional boxing matches. Measurements were made using a proprietary system that records the force associated with punch impact. Twelve boxers wore boxing gloves incorporating the bestshot System TM in six professional boxing matches across five different weight classes. The force of each delivered punch was measured across all rounds of all bouts. Mean punch forces delivered ranged from 866.6 N (Super Middleweight) to 1149.2 N (Light Middleweight) across the fights and was not significantly correlated with boxer’s weight.
can you put this in English? how does that translate to pounds per square inch as compared to a sledgehammer, the impact of a car, etc.

does it get measured in mph? something a dummy like me can understand.

 
Matuski,

I also live in Seattle, and own a nice new camcorder. I would really like to attend your bout.

I will gladly buy you a beer afterward. If bagger is your manager, and proninja is the promoter, we can all get together for beer.

Thanks man!

 
Matuski, I also live in Seattle, and own a nice new camcorder. I would really like to attend your bout.I will gladly buy you a beer afterward. If bagger is your manager, and proninja is the promoter, we can all get together for beer.Thanks man!
Britney> make sure to bring a straw ;)
 
can you put this in English? how does that translate to pounds per square inch as compared to a sledgehammer, the impact of a car, etc.does it get measured in mph? something a dummy like me can understand.
I don't know things, but I'm guessing it means that a little dude can punch as hard as a big dude. At least that's what I made out of it. I don't even know what an 866.6 N is, but I think my first car had one. Passed everything but the gas station.
 
i love the monkey jokes. ;)

i doubt anyone of you could handle one shot from these monkey arms.

 
Not only is this a great thread as is, but the potential is immeasurable! I don't have anything to add to the argument either way except to say my $$ would go with the pro, but matuski's grit, pioneer spirit and sense of adventure is truly admirable. As somebody else said, I think the pro would win, but matuski, I'm pulling for you!

 
Not only is this a great thread as is, but the potential is immeasurable! I don't have anything to add to the argument either way except to say my $$ would go with the pro, but matuski's grit, pioneer spirit and sense of adventure is truly admirable. As somebody else said, I think the pro would win, but matuski, I'm pulling for you!
:(
 
If Matuski will just wax his car, sand his deck, and paint his fence for about a week before the fight, he takes the boxer easy.

 
Joe Bryant said:
shadyridr said:
Joe Bryant said:
For the boxing question shady, it's really easy to answer.Go down to the local boxing gym and tell the owner what you're thinking. As Sweetj said, it's not that uncommon. Suit up and spar with a guy that is really good. (understanding he's far from a professional) It'll be a good experience for you. It was for me.J
I wasnt trying to sound cocky. I honestly have no clue how much a punch from a 125lb boxer would feel and I doubt many posting in this thread do as well.
Seriously though, you should do this. Video tape it and we can all make sig bets here.It could be the FBG version of the Pros vs Joes thing. You should seriously do this.J
Sig bets? Please. I'll open my own sportsbook to take money on this.
 
bagger said:
i would need to be in matuski's corner though. i would give him lots of good advice like the windmill punching method and holding the featherweight midget's head to keep him out of reach.i would also sacrifice a point or two in a couple rounds with a cheap shot or a head butt just to slow the 120 lb mexican down.i would also have matuski wear a lucha libre mask, just to make the other boxer question if matuski is his long lost brother.we would unveil the mask in the 10th round for a dramatic turn of events.
:bag: :bag: god..
 
matuski> don't let these guys get in your head.as your ring manager, you can take some grumpy oompa loompa out no problem.eye of the tiger.
I think you are going to need an experienced cut-man.I am not experienced, nor do I particularly like blood (and unfortunately, there may be quite a bit)...but, if you need me, I am all yours. :confused:
 
Matuski you are the man!

I love your attitude. You want to know and you're going to find out. I balieve you are a man of his word and you conducted yourself as such.

We will all be behind you.

Damn it took me hours to catch up with this Hot thread.

 
matuski> don't let these guys get in your head.as your ring manager, you can take some grumpy oompa loompa out no problem.eye of the tiger.
I think you are going to need an experienced cut-man.I am not experienced, nor do I particularly like blood (and unfortunately, there may be quite a bit)...but, if you need me, I am all yours. :lmao:
You can be like the Suns' doctors that just put as many bandaids as they could find over Nash's cut while simultaneously pushing, pulling, poking, and smushing it so it would bleed more.
 
matuski> don't let these guys get in your head.as your ring manager, you can take some grumpy oompa loompa out no problem.eye of the tiger.
I think you are going to need an experienced cut-man.I am not experienced, nor do I particularly like blood (and unfortunately, there may be quite a bit)...but, if you need me, I am all yours. :lmao:
You can be like the Suns' doctors that just put as many bandaids as they could find over Nash's cut while simultaneously pushing, pulling, poking, and smushing it so it would bleed more.
If I can't stop the bleeding, they may have to stop the fight.In that case, you only lose on a technicality, and you can blame the loss on me.Sure fire way to save face. :shrug:
 
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ScottNorwood said:
MrBlonde said:
I seriously don't get the "skinny arms" comments. If you know anything about boxing you know it's not your "arms" or its "muscles" that generate the power. Fighting is just one of those things everyone thinks their good at regardless of training or practice... Kind of like sex....
The arms don't generate the power during sex either
You have much to learn my young apprentice.
 
LOL...10 pages and you guys haven't figured out that you've been keerocked, wheelhoused, and kiosked.

Featherweight punch <<<<< FFA hook

 
can you put this in English? how does that translate to pounds per square inch as compared to a sledgehammer, the impact of a car, etc.does it get measured in mph? something a dummy like me can understand.
1000N = 224 lbs. of forceAssuming the area of the impact is about 5 square inches, that's 44.8 lbs. per square inch.Now, using the relation F=mass*acceleration, we can calculate the acceleration of the fist as it makes impact. Let's say that the fist (and arm and part of the torso that accelerates) has a mass of 10 kg (22 lbs), that means that the impact of the fist has an acceleration of 100 m/s^2 or about 10 G's.Assuming constant acceleration, we can figure out the speed of the fist at impact (using 0 starting velocity). If we assume that the distance the punch travels is about 0.5 meters (1.64'), the punch will take 0.1 seconds, and have a final velocity of 10 m/s or 22 MPH.*Note: These are back of the envelope calculations and by no means exact in any stretch of the imagination.
 
i havent read the whole thing but im 5'8 267 (maurice jones build) and theres no way one of those little guys are gonna be able to take 1 of my punches. add in my reach and it shouldn't be a contest.
So you're almost 100lbs over-height and you take out a professional fighter?
 
Was very sorry to hear about Diego. He was a warrior in the ring and his first fight with Castillo is in my top 5 of all time. RIP

 
To those of you who think size is a huge advantage and you could maybe take a light weight professional boxer or some other trained fighter, I highly recommend a screening of Fight Science. Take the guys who break bricks for a living. It goes into detail about how they generate more impact force than a sledge hammer, and how their bones remodel and thicken over time. Or the martial artists who can generate lethal force with a single blow because of how they coil and uncoil their body, and how quickly they can generate that force without ever loosing balance.

This is a common fallacy with professional athletes. We see guys on TV and think "Hey, I could do that!". No, you can't. These guys are elite athletes who've been perfecting their craft for thousands of years (martial artists).

 
Genedoc said:
To those of you who think size is a huge advantage and you could maybe take a light weight professional boxer or some other trained fighter, I highly recommend a screening of Fight Science. Take the guys who break bricks for a living. It goes into detail about how they generate more impact force than a sledge hammer, and how their bones remodel and thicken over time. Or the martial artists who can generate lethal force with a single blow because of how they coil and uncoil their body, and how quickly they can generate that force without ever loosing balance.

This is a common fallacy with professional athletes. We see guys on TV and think "Hey, I could do that!". No, you can't. These guys are elite athletes who've been perfecting their craft for thousands of years (martial artists).
link to where anyone here said they can do what a pro fighter does?and i watched that show.. cool show.

 
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Genedoc said:
To those of you who think size is a huge advantage and you could maybe take a light weight professional boxer or some other trained fighter, I highly recommend a screening of Fight Science. Take the guys who break bricks for a living. It goes into detail about how they generate more impact force than a sledge hammer, and how their bones remodel and thicken over time. Or the martial artists who can generate lethal force with a single blow because of how they coil and uncoil their body, and how quickly they can generate that force without ever loosing balance.

This is a common fallacy with professional athletes. We see guys on TV and think "Hey, I could do that!". No, you can't. These guys are elite athletes who've been perfecting their craft for thousands of years (martial artists).
link to where anyone here said they can do what a pro fighter does?and i watched that show.. cool show.
Nobody in here said they could, but you hear it all the time at sports bars, and while I realize many of those people are joking, I also know some of them really think that pro athletes are only a "little bit" better than weekend warriors. They're delusional. Thus far, I've seen no signs you're delusional - you've been a great sport, and I hope you continue to be a great sport after the 125 lb. fighter breaks a rib. :confused:
 
Genedoc said:
To those of you who think size is a huge advantage and you could maybe take a light weight professional boxer or some other trained fighter, I highly recommend a screening of Fight Science. Take the guys who break bricks for a living. It goes into detail about how they generate more impact force than a sledge hammer, and how their bones remodel and thicken over time. Or the martial artists who can generate lethal force with a single blow because of how they coil and uncoil their body, and how quickly they can generate that force without ever loosing balance.

This is a common fallacy with professional athletes. We see guys on TV and think "Hey, I could do that!". No, you can't. These guys are elite athletes who've been perfecting their craft for thousands of years (martial artists).
link to where anyone here said they can do what a pro fighter does?and i watched that show.. cool show.
I think this is what genedoc was talking about:
I not too far back watched a featherweight bout where neither guy's head cleared the ropes. Guys that size would need a step ladder to reach my head.
Those guys don't even hurt each other. It's all technical. Seriously. They are too small. This is not an ego thing with me. I'll easily admit most males will beat my ###. But these dudes are like 12-year-old girl small. No way.
And 5'6" 125lbs dudes are damn near midgets IMO.
I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.

It would be like fighting a fourth grade boxer.
And this is what I am debating - the ability of someone who equates in size to a fourth grader doing any of the above to me.(incapacitating you with a single blow)
And then the kicker
I would give myself good odds with the likes of Pacquiao. He is listed at 5'6" 126lbs, in the pictures I call serious BS on the 5'6" part - he BARELY clears the top ropes. IN A STREET FIGHT (as in I would not box with him).
Some of these are talking about street fighting and some are about boxing and some are just belittling the guys in general.Pacuiao would likely put any FBGer here into brain damage if they got in the ring with him. One of us trying to fight him is so beyond laughable words can't describe. And I'm not certain it wouldn't be worse in a street fight.

J

 
Genedoc said:
To those of you who think size is a huge advantage and you could maybe take a light weight professional boxer or some other trained fighter, I highly recommend a screening of Fight Science. Take the guys who break bricks for a living. It goes into detail about how they generate more impact force than a sledge hammer, and how their bones remodel and thicken over time. Or the martial artists who can generate lethal force with a single blow because of how they coil and uncoil their body, and how quickly they can generate that force without ever loosing balance.

This is a common fallacy with professional athletes. We see guys on TV and think "Hey, I could do that!". No, you can't. These guys are elite athletes who've been perfecting their craft for thousands of years (martial artists).
link to where anyone here said they can do what a pro fighter does?and i watched that show.. cool show.
I think this is what genedoc was talking about:
I not too far back watched a featherweight bout where neither guy's head cleared the ropes. Guys that size would need a step ladder to reach my head.
Those guys don't even hurt each other. It's all technical. Seriously. They are too small. This is not an ego thing with me. I'll easily admit most males will beat my ###. But these dudes are like 12-year-old girl small. No way.
And 5'6" 125lbs dudes are damn near midgets IMO.
I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.

It would be like fighting a fourth grade boxer.
And this is what I am debating - the ability of someone who equates in size to a fourth grader doing any of the above to me.(incapacitating you with a single blow)
And then the kicker
I would give myself good odds with the likes of Pacquiao. He is listed at 5'6" 126lbs, in the pictures I call serious BS on the 5'6" part - he BARELY clears the top ropes. IN A STREET FIGHT (as in I would not box with him).
Some of these are talking about street fighting and some are about boxing and some are just belittling the guys in general.Pacuiao would likely put any FBGer here into brain damage if they got in the ring with him. One of us trying to fight him is so beyond laughable words can't describe. And I'm not certain it wouldn't be worse in a street fight.

J
Once again.. I still feel it will be hard for a guy that size to hurt me (short of punching me in the nuts).And once again.. I have not even come close to claiming I have their skills.

I'm here and interested in what people have to say... but now it seems to be the same few posters repeating themselves. :thumbup:

 
Once again.. I still feel it will be hard for a guy that size to hurt me (short of punching me in the nuts).

And once again.. I have not even come close to claiming I have their skills.

I'm here and interested in what people have to say... but now it seems to be the same few posters repeating themselves. :thumbup:
Did you watch the Pacquiao video hitting the heavy bag?? Seriously??Maybe it's just because I've been hit so hard that I've tasted smoke from my fillings, but I'm telling you that guy kills anybody without boxing skills. Not kills as in beats up really bad, but literally "kills".

I've seen a fight live where a guy died. His brain swelled up that night and they pulled the plug a couple of days later. The guy he fought was "maybe" 5' 9" 160lbs and didn't have anything even close to the skill that Pacquiao has.

You're only chance of winning this fight would be to curl up into a fetal position and hope he has a heart attack while pummeling you.

 
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Once again.. I still feel it will be hard for a guy that size to hurt me (short of punching me in the nuts).

And once again.. I have not even come close to claiming I have their skills.

I'm here and interested in what people have to say... but now it seems to be the same few posters repeating themselves. :thumbup:
Did you watch the Pacquiao video hitting the heavy bag?? Seriously??Maybe it's just because I've been hit so hard that I've tasted smoke from my fillings, but I'm telling you that guy kills anybody without boxing skills. Not kills as in beats up really bad, but literally "kills".

I've seen a fight live where a guy died. His brain swelled up that night and they pulled the plug a couple of days later. The guy he fought was "maybe" 5' 9" 160lbs and didn't have anything even close to the skill that Pacquiao has.
/rinse/repeat

5'9" 160lbs does not resemble 5'6" 125lbs. Almost a 40 lb difference again.

And while the video is cool... he is punching a 50-75lb bag that is right in front of him.

 
Genedoc said:
To those of you who think size is a huge advantage and you could maybe take a light weight professional boxer or some other trained fighter, I highly recommend a screening of Fight Science. Take the guys who break bricks for a living. It goes into detail about how they generate more impact force than a sledge hammer, and how their bones remodel and thicken over time. Or the martial artists who can generate lethal force with a single blow because of how they coil and uncoil their body, and how quickly they can generate that force without ever loosing balance.

This is a common fallacy with professional athletes. We see guys on TV and think "Hey, I could do that!". No, you can't. These guys are elite athletes who've been perfecting their craft for thousands of years (martial artists).
link to where anyone here said they can do what a pro fighter does?and i watched that show.. cool show.
I think this is what genedoc was talking about:
I not too far back watched a featherweight bout where neither guy's head cleared the ropes. Guys that size would need a step ladder to reach my head.
Those guys don't even hurt each other. It's all technical. Seriously. They are too small. This is not an ego thing with me. I'll easily admit most males will beat my ###. But these dudes are like 12-year-old girl small. No way.
And 5'6" 125lbs dudes are damn near midgets IMO.
I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.

It would be like fighting a fourth grade boxer.
And this is what I am debating - the ability of someone who equates in size to a fourth grader doing any of the above to me.(incapacitating you with a single blow)
And then the kicker
I would give myself good odds with the likes of Pacquiao. He is listed at 5'6" 126lbs, in the pictures I call serious BS on the 5'6" part - he BARELY clears the top ropes. IN A STREET FIGHT (as in I would not box with him).
Some of these are talking about street fighting and some are about boxing and some are just belittling the guys in general.Pacuiao would likely put any FBGer here into brain damage if they got in the ring with him. One of us trying to fight him is so beyond laughable words can't describe. And I'm not certain it wouldn't be worse in a street fight.

J
Once again.. I still feel it will be hard for a guy that size to hurt me (short of punching me in the nuts).And once again.. I have not even come close to claiming I have their skills.

I'm here and interested in what people have to say... but now it seems to be the same few posters repeating themselves. :eek:
I'll try to say something new. :mellow: Let's go back to high school physics. Force = mass times acceleration. Many people are focusing on the mass part of the equation, but for fighting purposes, the acceleration is where the difference is going to be astounding. The mass difference between a 125 pound fighter and a 250 pound fighter is apparent - it's 2 fold. Similarly skilled fighters are going to generate similar acceleration, ergo professionals fight people according to weight classes.

HOWEVER, a 200 lb. weekend warrior athlete with no formal training in hand to hand combat isn't going to generate nearly the acceleration of a professionally trained fighter. Not even close. So in this comparison, the critical factor shifts away from weight, and onto how much acceleration you can generate. Professionally trained fighters know how to coil and uncoil their bodies to generate maximum acceleration while maintaining proper balance. It's a lot like striking a golf ball in that you "load" and "unload", and just because someone is strong doesn't mean they understand how to properly transfer weight and use their whole musculoskeletal to generate acceleration. There are lots of bigger, stronger guys than Tiger Woods, but very few of them can generate his power and accuracy. Same thing with boxing - there are a lot of bigger guys than Pacquiao, but the vast majority of them cannot generate the power he can.

 
Once again.. I still feel it will be hard for a guy that size to hurt me (short of punching me in the nuts).

And once again.. I have not even come close to claiming I have their skills.

I'm here and interested in what people have to say... but now it seems to be the same few posters repeating themselves. :eek:
Did you watch the Pacquiao video hitting the heavy bag?? Seriously??Maybe it's just because I've been hit so hard that I've tasted smoke from my fillings, but I'm telling you that guy kills anybody without boxing skills. Not kills as in beats up really bad, but literally "kills".

I've seen a fight live where a guy died. His brain swelled up that night and they pulled the plug a couple of days later. The guy he fought was "maybe" 5' 9" 160lbs and didn't have anything even close to the skill that Pacquiao has.
/rinse/repeat

5'9" 160lbs does not resemble 5'6" 125lbs. Almost a 40 lb difference again.And while the video is cool... he is punching a 50-75lb bag that is right in front of him.
True...but this 160lb guy was semi-pro...decent, but by no means even in the same class as Pacquiao. Now I won't go as far as to say you can't win against ANY featherweight (there has to be some crappy fighters out there), but Pacquiao... :mellow:
 
Okay, looking for other posters to chime in, I will.

Quite simply, any FBG here would get his ### kicked by Pacquiao. There is no doubt of this in my mind.

 

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