shake zula
Footballguy
What's with you and the midget talk? These guys are between 5'6 and 5'11, these are not midgets. You are vastly overrating how much height matters in this context.Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
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What would happen if I fought a featherweight boxer? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter shadyridr
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What's with you and the midget talk? These guys are between 5'6 and 5'11, these are not midgets. You are vastly overrating how much height matters in this context.
shake zula
Footballguy
awesomeMatuski doesn't even punch he just clubs down with his giant bear like arms.
Dreamer
Footballguy
A street fight means bare fists, you'd be out before you knew what happened. Probably from the first punch.
matuski
Footballguy
First time I've mentioned a midget. And 5'6" 125lbs dudes are damn near midgets IMO.
JZilla
Footballguy
I will gladly take a guy who's 5'11", 125 lbs. I don't care how much torque he's got.What's with you and the midget talk? These guys are between 5'6 and 5'11, these are not midgets. You are vastly overrating how much height matters in this context.
flapgreen
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Generating punching power is as much technical as it is strength. The average 200 pound guy has no idea how to throw a proper punch. He's not getting anything near his entire bodyweight into it. I've never seen a 125 pound guy go against a 200+ pounder but I have seen trained guys in the 140 pound range go against untrained guys who were 50+ pounds heavier than them. The results weren't pretty for the bigger guy.
shake zula
Footballguy
Take him where? The only place you are taking a pro boxer is to the movies....I will gladly take a guy who's 5'11", 125 lbs. I don't care how much torque he's got.
JZilla
Footballguy
What's funny is I've got like the lowest self esteem of anyone on this board. I'm just looking at simple physics, and the conspicuously bloodless featherweight fights I've seen.
You just can't convince me that someone that small can beat someone that much bigger in a no-holds-barred brawl. Now if he's a kung-fu master.... different story.
matuski
Footballguy
She kicks my ###!Sucks when you can't hit back.Flaming Moe said:How well do you do against your wife's
Otis
Footballguy
JZilla makes a pretty decent point here. at the FFA so decisively declaring a victory for the guy who weighs less than girls I date (and I'm a skinny snob).
Otis
Footballguy
What folks aren't getting here is that these guys are trained to fight under very particular circumstances with rules that determine what they can and cannot do. It's pretty limited. When you get beyond the technical boxing skill and get your hands on him, what's he gonna do about it? Someone with 6-8 inches in height and over 100 pounds on these guys could rush him, take a couple of those feather taps to the head, get him on the ground, and make his life miserable. Of course you'd have to be smart enough not to bother trying to outbox the guy, but gravity, mass, and physics are the same regardless of whether you've been on television or not.All that said, I'd still love to see this happen.
mr. furley
Footballguy
bare knuckles, the boxer would hit you on the button with his first shot.IF you can withstand that one you're gonna get hit with a couple more before you realize what happened.
JZilla
Footballguy
Yeah because when a regular guy gets in a fight, he just stands there with his face out and his thumbs in his ###. Since he's untrained and all.A street fight means bare fists, you'd be out before you knew what happened. Probably from the first punch.
mr. furley
Footballguy
Yeah because when a regular guy gets in a fight, he just stands there with his face out and his thumbs in his ###. Since he's untrained and all.
like these guys don't train to hit a moving target
matuski
Footballguy
Yeah because when a regular guy gets in a fight, he just stands there with his face out and his thumbs in his ###. Since he's untrained and all.
give it up JZ we have no chance against guys half our size.
mr. furley
Footballguy
i'd lay down money to see the average FBG fight a featherweight, bare knuckles.
we could have Dentist on standby for the emergency dental work our FBG is gonna need.
we could have Dentist on standby for the emergency dental work our FBG is gonna need.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
For those who don't think 6 inches and 100 pounds make a difference, isn't there a threshold somewhere where the size overtakes the punching skill?
What about 10 inches and 200 pounds?
At some point I think we all have to coincide that some differential in size, weight and strength would tip the scale. I'm not sure exactly where that is, but 100 pounds of muscle seems like a lot to me.
What about 10 inches and 200 pounds?
At some point I think we all have to coincide that some differential in size, weight and strength would tip the scale. I'm not sure exactly where that is, but 100 pounds of muscle seems like a lot to me.
Otis
Footballguy
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from a featherweight boxer.
shake zula
Footballguy
It would be like some sort of cartoon. FBG rushes boxer, boxer side steps fat sloppy fbg and proceeds to unleash 25 punches all over his face and torso before said FBG can even stand back up.
JZilla
Footballguy
I'm not doing it, because I value my nuts, and I'm under 6'0" so I don't technically qualify for the current argument. But I'm down for $200 on matuski.
matuski
Footballguy
I already asked this twice and really got nothing in response
shake zula
Footballguy
I disagree especially in a street fight. If you consider arm locks and ankle locks size means even less.
Otis
Footballguy
I think it's a pretty fair question. Folks aren't answering it because the answer is pretty self evident.I already asked this twice and really got nothing in response
Synthesizer
Footballguy
If these featherweights can dish out this much punishment to a regular guy (concussions, emergency dental work needed, popping eyeballs out of your skull), how come they don't do any of this in the ring against other featherweights?
matuski
Footballguy
You got me. And don't even bring Chuck Norriss into this!
JZilla
Footballguy
yeah I already said kung-fu/karate is a totally different thing. But if I had a gun..
bigbottom
Footballguy
Matuski's statement wasn't limited to boxers.
Otis
Footballguy
But these featherweight boxers aren't street fighters. Nobody would have the advantage in any terms other than trained boxing/punching skill -- a nice advantage, but perhaps not enough to handle an extra hundred pounds in a no-holds-barred affair.Now, if you are talking about an ultimate fighter/trained street brawler of that size, I agree with you completely -- matsuki is probably a goner. But we're not talking about that.
JZilla
Footballguy
My point exactlyThese dudes walk out of the ring looking exactly like they did when they walked in. Reminds me a little of Mayweather/Delahoya 
mr. furley
Footballguy
you have to understand matsuki and jzilla are ONE-HUNDRED POUNDS BIGGER than this guythey would terminate Bruce Lee
JZilla
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
I thought we were limiting this to the featherweight boxers and thinking terms of the fight last night. The whole point is that this guy is only a trained boxer, period. Bruce Lee is a trained martial arts FIGHTER. The guy is all about no-holds-barred ### kicking. That's essentially the same as a super awesome street fighter.I don't know about anyone else, but this would change my answer dramatically.
shake zula
Footballguy
You asked when does size outweight skills, no? My answer was I think never because situations exist in which someone who is significantly smaller can outfight someone significanlty bigger.
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mr. furley
Footballguy
they do. the difference being the other fighters are trained to take punches... and have been taking them for years and years. how many fighters do you see after their career is over who are "normal"?
Otis
Footballguy
I don't disagree with that. But the skill set of a featherweight boxer is -- compared to a street fight -- somewhat limited. These guys are no Bruce Lee.
mr. furley
Footballguy
swelling usually commences after the fight is over. though a lot of the time it begins during the fight is done.
shake zula
Footballguy
I also mentioned earlier that these boxers are moving around and are not taking tons of shots straight to the face, they protect themselves very well. So just because a boxer leaves the ring with little facial damage doesn't neccesarly mean the other boxer was weak.
shake zula
Footballguy
Agreed. But for the context of what we are talking about, a street fight. Size matters a whole lot less then people think.
JZilla
Footballguy
I'll take the slow swelling while I grab this kid and sit on him until he calls me Uncle.swelling usually commences after the fight is over. though a lot of the time it begins during the fight is done.
mr. furley
Footballguy
odds are, most boxers are seasoned street fighters... at least before they got their careers off the ground.read up on some of these loons. they aren't deciding to box because they're fit guys with no other sports skills.
Professional featherweight?He would absolutely destroy you shady. Words can't describe what a mismatch it would be.Take the gloves off and have a street fight and it might be different. But in the ring playing by his rules, he would totally destroy you. Based on what you say above, I can say this with certainty.J
JZilla
Footballguy
125 lbs. One hundred and twenty-five pounds. That is really, really small.OK, odds are, one of these guys has a knife and it's over.
JZilla
Footballguy
Joe Bryant has spoken.
Because they're fighting other trained fighters who have spent their entire lives devoted to learning how not to be punched, and how to take a punch in the event one lands. Boxers very rarely take clean shots; everyone on this forum would be taking a clean jab straight to the nose if we tried taking on a fighter. If he was in a particularly bad mood, it would probably be to the throat and there would be a whole lot of time to flash through memories on your way to the hospital.Weight and size play a difference when the person is:
1.) Physically fit enough to last more than 20 seconds in a fight; most people think of themselves as uber-studs that can fight indefinitely when need be. The average Joe on the street would be taxed in a matter of seconds.
2.) Fast enough in terms of speed and reaction to avoid and land punches; pretty much a given that nobody here is. It's very easy to say, "Well I'd hit or grab him and since I weigh so much more if would do damage". You're not taking into account that this guy is going to be virtually telepathic to your eyes, he's going to be moving to defend or attack the exact second you make a move.
3.) Is built enough and can endure enough to take a lot of damage.
4.) Has the ability to get out of the way once the flurry of punches start coming for their head; we're taking punch after punch in rapid succession at a speed you've probably never seen.
If you had all of those things, you might stand a chance. Then again, if you had all of those things you'd probably be a professional boxer in the first place. Weight and strength mean almost nothing if you have no idea how to use it.
We're seriously talking about a beating of unimaginable proportion. It'd be like Looney Toons.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
I've been trying to find this stat but haven't had any luck.... what percentage of featherweight fights end in a knockout? The reason I'm asking is because heavyweight fighters are trained to take punches too but at least the guy across from him packs enough punch to knock him the #### out.they do. the difference being the other fighters are trained to take punches... and have been taking them for years and years. how many fighters do you see after their career is over who are "normal"?
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