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kutta
Footballguy
Understood. Everyone has different tastes.
I looked it up - the basic room at the Venitian is 650 sq ft. If yours was smaller than that, i'm not sure what the deal is.
Here's a link to their standard room: http://www.venetian.com/hotel/suites/luxury.html
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
My brother retired there to be with his sons who live there. He got bored and took a job driving a limo. He's an elegant dude who spent his career in high end restaurants. I read your quote to him and he replied.
Paraphrasing but...
"If it's the best money can buy, you stay at the MGM Mansion. Period. Expect 5 grand a night. It blows everything else away. There's a few elite boutique properties but they won't come with the scene. The Mandarin makes all the other luxury properties look like lipstick on a pig. First class passengers from that hotel never stop raving about it, and I've never heard one complaint. Passengers from other top properties complain as much as praise. But, if he's smart he'll consider Lake Las Vegas. There's really nothing romantic about the Strip. The Westin and Hilton at the lake are very romantic with fun pools and a scene almost exactly like he described. The Hilton used to the Ritz Carlton so it's pretty awesome."
OC Zed
Footballguy
Wynn just seems a bit too stuffy and conservative for my taste. But to each his own.
Otis
Footballguy
Amazing how polarizing all of these places are.
Wynn just seems a bit too stuffy and conservative for my taste. But to each his own.
OC Zed
Footballguy
They are all nice and you can have a great time at any of them. Figure out what you want to do and where you want to eat and make your choice from there.Amazing how polarizing all of these places are.
Wynn just seems a bit too stuffy and conservative for my taste. But to each his own.
Gawain
Footballguy
MGM Mansion sounds like just the ticket here for our ol' pal Otis to show he's still got it.
OC Zed
Footballguy
The Mandarin Oriental is somewhere in between the two in terms of style and above both in terms of price and overall quality. No casino, but it located in City Center so you are still right in the middle of everything.5k a night is a little steep for my blood. That'll probably be my gambling losses
Sounds like the Wynn is a safe bet for what we want; I hadn't considered Delano, looks pretty nice too.
ETA: But I'm sure Otis would love the Wynn... checks all the boxes for what you are looking for.
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Otis
Footballguy
Ok, thanks gents. Just booked the Wynn Encore. There were some nice deals on the suites, so hooked one up.
Not looking at cabana rental. I recognize it's going to be scorching there in July, but Mrs. O is a sun gal, and we want to at least do one day poolside. The cabanas look like the way to do that right. I read somewhere online it can be crazy expensive (like $2500/day!?), but I put in an e-mail request. We'll see how pricing comes back. Like I said, we never, ever get vacation, so I don't mind splurging to make it enjoyable.
We'll have two full days in vegas (along with a half day on arrival day and half day on departure day as well). Friday-Saturday will be our full days. I'm thinking about doing cabanas both days, or at least on Friday. I'm also wondering if we should get a different scene in the mix -- maybe do the Encore Beach Club cabana on Friday, and then check out the Delano or some other pool scene with a Cabana on Saturday.
Anyone ever do these cabana things? Any advice on where/how to book that?
Not looking at cabana rental. I recognize it's going to be scorching there in July, but Mrs. O is a sun gal, and we want to at least do one day poolside. The cabanas look like the way to do that right. I read somewhere online it can be crazy expensive (like $2500/day!?), but I put in an e-mail request. We'll see how pricing comes back. Like I said, we never, ever get vacation, so I don't mind splurging to make it enjoyable.
We'll have two full days in vegas (along with a half day on arrival day and half day on departure day as well). Friday-Saturday will be our full days. I'm thinking about doing cabanas both days, or at least on Friday. I'm also wondering if we should get a different scene in the mix -- maybe do the Encore Beach Club cabana on Friday, and then check out the Delano or some other pool scene with a Cabana on Saturday.
Anyone ever do these cabana things? Any advice on where/how to book that?
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
What's the right way to play $5 craps and last awhile?
What bankroll do you start with, and how do you bet?
TY...I'll hang up an listen.
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Insoxicated
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cabanas are generally booked based on a negotiated minimum spend for "party pools" like encore beach club. I've never booked there but several thousand tab (3-6k depending on who is playing) is likely the range you're looking at for a cabana at EBC.
Standard hotel pools will sometimes have cabanas that are priced based on a rental fee vs a minimum spend. Those are generally cheaper, but you only get the cabana for the $ and any food/beverage is additional. Also those are more of a standard quiet pool vs the party vibe. It depends on what you're looking for.
For just you and the wife, you may want to look into a daybed rental... They generally have a smaller min spend than a cabana... Likely could get something around 1-1.5k plus tips/taxes/etc (assume 30-40% on top).
Obviously these minimums for just the two of you that likely involves popping some pretty expensive champagne bottles, or being very generous to your newfound friends at the pool.
There are also folks on jack Colton forums who look for groups to split cabanas for... Might be an option for a cabana if you're set on that.
Standard hotel pools will sometimes have cabanas that are priced based on a rental fee vs a minimum spend. Those are generally cheaper, but you only get the cabana for the $ and any food/beverage is additional. Also those are more of a standard quiet pool vs the party vibe. It depends on what you're looking for.
For just you and the wife, you may want to look into a daybed rental... They generally have a smaller min spend than a cabana... Likely could get something around 1-1.5k plus tips/taxes/etc (assume 30-40% on top).
Obviously these minimums for just the two of you that likely involves popping some pretty expensive champagne bottles, or being very generous to your newfound friends at the pool.
There are also folks on jack Colton forums who look for groups to split cabanas for... Might be an option for a cabana if you're set on that.
Otis
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Actually just got the form back from the Encore (note, this says it is not part of the Encore Beach Club, but is for the pool at Encore Hotel (they call it an "Encore European Pool Cabana reservation")-- what is the friggin difference??). I was surprised the price was only $400 for Friday and $500 for Saturday. No brainer IMO.
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BillyBarooo
Footballguy
Four Seasons. It's attached to the Mandalay so you get their casino, pool, restaurants, etc, plus everything you would expect while staying at a FS property
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The difference is the normal encore pool will be ideal if you're looking to just lounge and relax with your wife. If you're looking for a "party" environment, you wil be disappointed.
But yes, the normal pool cabanas are fairly "cheap" if that vibe is what you're looking for.
kutta
Footballguy
Try to at least go check out the Venetian and maybe even try to see a room. I guarantee you will pick the Venetian over the Wynn next time if you do.Well, maybe not a full guarantee, but I'd bet some good coin on it.
Also, I think the Venetian location is about the best on the strip. Right across from the Mirage and Ceasar's, and right next to casino royale and the quad area. Hard to beat.
Swing 51
Footballguy
Cabana at Wynn sounds like what you should get, as Icon posted:
Last summer we got a cabana at Wynn from 9am-5pm for $500 drinks not included. It wasn't a lot of space but had a fridge, safe, etc. We snuck in a bottle of vodka and bought buckets of Coronoa. It was nice to have some shade and the place wasn't a total ####show till mid afternoon. And yeah a bunch of Euro gals were walking around topless.
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Hooper31
Footballguy
Sheldon Adelson owns Sands Inc (Venetian/Palazzo). #### that guy in the ###. He's the ####er that's working overtime to kill online poker. Seriously, he might be the only guy I've never met that I really want to punch in the face.
kutta
Footballguy
Well, it's a really nice hotel
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
I'm always hesitant to tell someone the "right" way to play any game -- it's your money and entertainment value is a big part of gambling IMO.
That said, if you mean what's the way to play to minimize the house edge, the ONLY way to play is to bet on the Pass Line and stack-up odds behind it. You can be one of "those guys" and bet the Don't Pass with odds as well, but you're generally betting against the table as opposed to with it. IMO that dampens the collegiality of the game quite a bit -- the table is losing when you're winning and vice versa.
The Pass Line bet carries ~1.41% house edge. The odds carry no edge. The problem comes from the fact that craps is a highly volatile game so it's impossible to predict what will happen over the short term. If you're trying to drag out a bankroll for as long as possible, I would suggest just wagering $5 on the pass line and $10 to $15 on the odds. If that doesn't give you enough action, make a Come bet or 2, also with odds.
You won't see anything about the odds bet on the felt. You have to just stack your chips up behind your pass bet once the point is set. If you are starting at ground zero, you need to read a tutorial before doing anything else. Basically the Pass bet wins on 7 or 11 and loses on 2, 3, and 12. Everything else is a "point". Once a "point" is rolled, the Pass bet wins if that point is rolled a 2nd time before a 7 is rolled. You have to understand probability to have any chance of grasping it. There are 6 ways to make a 7, 5 ways to make a 6 or 8, 4 ways to make a 5 or 9, 3 ways to make a 4 or 10, 2 ways to make a 3 or 11, and 1 way to make a 2 or 12. That's the backbone of the game.
Stay away from the center of the table -- hard ways, hops, etc. are all exciting bets, but they carry a steep house edge. Here's a chart of odds for various bets on the craps table:
http://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/2/
The best thing to do is to find a good online simulation. There are lots of them out there. That will give you a sense of bankroll management, to the extent any such thing exists in Craps.
As for what's "enough" for a bankroll, that's almost impossible to say. If you're just going $5 Pass line with $10 odds, $300.00 would allow you to lose 20 consecutive points, which would be quite a statistical anomally to say the least. Basically if you successfully hit 1 point out of 4, you would be able to play for quite a while at that level before hitting $0.00. There are lots of "risk of ruin" analyses out there, which is really what you are asking about. I'm not sure any of them are any good for Craps though. Purely from experience, I've found I can typically enjoy a reasonable run at a $5 table with a $500 bankroll, but I tend to slowly work Come bets out there, so my variance can swing a lot more than it would if I just had the point with odds and nothing else.
Hope this helps. The dealers will guide you if you just ask them. They'll get you to the right wagers and answer your questions.
kevzilla
Footballguy
Also, most casinos have "lessons" on a Thursday morning or something. It's a way to get used to an unfamiliar game.They will probably not tell you the optimal strategy for any given game. For example, they will tell you the objective in blackjack is to get as close as possible to 21 without going over. Those of us who have played for a while know the objective is to beat the dealer, and if you can do that with a 12, that's fine.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Thanks, that's actually what I was thinking as well. And it doesn't help to add come bets.
Don't pass and odds has a slightly better return than pass and odds though, I think, but I get that it could diminish the fun of playing with the group.
Is it better to put more on odds if allowed? I am thinking you want to put as much on odds as you can to minimize the house edge.
Don't pass and odds has a slightly better return than pass and odds though, I think, but I get that it could diminish the fun of playing with the group.
Is it better to put more on odds if allowed? I am thinking you want to put as much on odds as you can to minimize the house edge.
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Yes, more odds = spreading that house edge thinner across the bets.
Passline = 1.41%
1x Odds = 0.85%
2x Odds = 0.57%
3x Odds = 0.47%
Playing full 3/4/5x Odds = 0.37%
Don't Pass = 1.36%
1x Odds = 0.68%
2x Odds = 0.46%
3x Odds = 0.34%
Playing full 3/4/5x Odds = 0.27%
MOST places in Vegas are 3/4/5x Odds max, though others will allow more. Just understand that your volatility and risk of ruin increase with the scale of each bet size. If you're taking an average of 4x odds on your passline bets, that's putting you at an average bet size of $25/roll (not counting the wins/losses on the comeout, obviously.
Agreed re: edge advantage on Don't pass over Pass is so small that it's not worth losing the camaraderie factor of playing with the table (which is half the fun of Craps).
NOTE: Most casinos will rate your play NOT including odds bets, since there is no THEO on those... so if you're a rewards player and care about that, don't be surprised if they're not throwing suites at you when you're playing 100x odds on your $5 bets
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the moops
Footballguy
Went out to Vegas last week. Flew in on Saturday, left on Thursday. Was a family/business trip. Wife had a conference on Tue/Wed/Thu. Took our 1.5 and 3.5 year old with us. In case anyone is thinking about going with little kids, thought I would share some advice.
First, I would totally recommend it as a family trip. Having the little kids obviously means curtailing the craziness, but there is enough to do in Vegas, and out in the nearby desert to make it totally worth a trip.
We got a suite at The Tropicana. Was by far the cheapest we could find. Probably close to 20% cheaper. It's at the south end of the strip, so it's a bit quieter. Had a nice room on the 16th floor. Corner suite that looked out to NY NY on one side, and MGM Grand on the other. Room was big and clean. Not high end or anything, but good enough for the grubby moops family. Tropicana is pretty lame though. Casino is probably the weakest of the ones I saw. Restaurant choices are slim, although the poolside one was decent. Pool is small, but not real crowded.
Anyway - just a quick run through of what we did.
Day 1 - arrived late, like 9 PM (which was 11 PM our time). Kids and wife crashed, I went downstairs and drank as many free drinks as I could while playing some slots and video poker. Lost 20 bucks.
Day 2 - Drove out to Red Rock Canyon in the morning. Hiked around with the kids. Ate a picnic lunch up on some boulders. Good stuff. Took a great nap, then woke up and watched some basketball games, went to Aria buffet for dinner. Played in a 45 dollar poker tourney at Luxor. Played terribly and finished in like 15/45. Played some blackjack for a coupe hours and didn't lose any money there. So only -65 dollars so far.
Day 3 - Drove out to Valley of Fire in the morning. Had another good little hike and lunch with the kids. Came back and played some blackjack while the kids napped and won 40 bucks (-25 for trip). Head out to Fremont St after that, and go to Container Park for dinner and drinks while the kids play on the playground and such. Put kids to bed and wife and I had some drinks and watched a movie.
Day 4 - Wife has conference at 800 AM. Take the kids out to Charlie Frias Park to play. Head back to Trop pool. Kids splash and play for a bit while I slug back some Pina Coladas. Wife comes back to meet us for lunch, eat poolside. Get some takeout pizza from NY NY place. I go play in another 45 tourney, this time at Excalibur. Come in 4th place, and get 105 bucks (now + 80 for trip). Stay out pretty late drinking beers at a few different places with some dude who I played poker with.
Day 5 - Wife has conference again. Head down to this park in the south of the city with the kids. Head back to strip and get lunch with them at some Wolfgang Puck place in MGM. Was a tasty meal with some nice brews. We go to Bellagio botanical garden at dinner time. Go over to get some food at Planet Hollywood. Mostly margaritas and some nachos and stuff at some Mexican joint. I go play some blackjack and lose 50 bucks (now + 30).
Day 6 - Wife has conference in morning, we leave at 3 PM. I pack #### up in the morning while the kids watch some shows. Go meet wife for lunch at Border Grill at Mandalay. Best meal of the trip there. Overlooks the pool, and was just all around really good. Head to airport and fly home. Exhausted.
But yea, good times. Her work paid for half the hotel and for about half our meals. And I won 30 bucks. #### yea.
First, I would totally recommend it as a family trip. Having the little kids obviously means curtailing the craziness, but there is enough to do in Vegas, and out in the nearby desert to make it totally worth a trip.
We got a suite at The Tropicana. Was by far the cheapest we could find. Probably close to 20% cheaper. It's at the south end of the strip, so it's a bit quieter. Had a nice room on the 16th floor. Corner suite that looked out to NY NY on one side, and MGM Grand on the other. Room was big and clean. Not high end or anything, but good enough for the grubby moops family. Tropicana is pretty lame though. Casino is probably the weakest of the ones I saw. Restaurant choices are slim, although the poolside one was decent. Pool is small, but not real crowded.
Anyway - just a quick run through of what we did.
Day 1 - arrived late, like 9 PM (which was 11 PM our time). Kids and wife crashed, I went downstairs and drank as many free drinks as I could while playing some slots and video poker. Lost 20 bucks.
Day 2 - Drove out to Red Rock Canyon in the morning. Hiked around with the kids. Ate a picnic lunch up on some boulders. Good stuff. Took a great nap, then woke up and watched some basketball games, went to Aria buffet for dinner. Played in a 45 dollar poker tourney at Luxor. Played terribly and finished in like 15/45. Played some blackjack for a coupe hours and didn't lose any money there. So only -65 dollars so far.
Day 3 - Drove out to Valley of Fire in the morning. Had another good little hike and lunch with the kids. Came back and played some blackjack while the kids napped and won 40 bucks (-25 for trip). Head out to Fremont St after that, and go to Container Park for dinner and drinks while the kids play on the playground and such. Put kids to bed and wife and I had some drinks and watched a movie.
Day 4 - Wife has conference at 800 AM. Take the kids out to Charlie Frias Park to play. Head back to Trop pool. Kids splash and play for a bit while I slug back some Pina Coladas. Wife comes back to meet us for lunch, eat poolside. Get some takeout pizza from NY NY place. I go play in another 45 tourney, this time at Excalibur. Come in 4th place, and get 105 bucks (now + 80 for trip). Stay out pretty late drinking beers at a few different places with some dude who I played poker with.
Day 5 - Wife has conference again. Head down to this park in the south of the city with the kids. Head back to strip and get lunch with them at some Wolfgang Puck place in MGM. Was a tasty meal with some nice brews. We go to Bellagio botanical garden at dinner time. Go over to get some food at Planet Hollywood. Mostly margaritas and some nachos and stuff at some Mexican joint. I go play some blackjack and lose 50 bucks (now + 30).
Day 6 - Wife has conference in morning, we leave at 3 PM. I pack #### up in the morning while the kids watch some shows. Go meet wife for lunch at Border Grill at Mandalay. Best meal of the trip there. Overlooks the pool, and was just all around really good. Head to airport and fly home. Exhausted.
But yea, good times. Her work paid for half the hotel and for about half our meals. And I won 30 bucks. #### yea.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Me and some friends have a 20 year old rant/conversation going eviscerating parents for taking little kids (hell even teens) to Vegas. It's just wrong. Bad for the kids, restricts the adults, and bugs the heck out of others who've come to the country's adult playground.
But you did it right, moops. Good job. Missed Hoover dam though. Kids love that place.
Because there's so many highly regarded restaurants in Vegas, I make an effort to get to one I haven't tried before going someplace I have. But it's still March and I've been to the Border Grill three times this year. I've been with big parties and just as a couple. I haven't heard a complaint and just about everyone has raved. Good spot, no doubt.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Flying in for a few quick days next week. Staying at Cosmopolitan, and seeing Hozier at the Chelsea and St. Vincent at the pool. I'm very interested to see how a concert works at the pool...I've never planned a trip around concerts before, so trying something new.
Swing 51
Footballguy
Saw a show at the Hard Rock pool. Was ####### awesome but I don't remember much after dark.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Copying and pasting this into an e-mail to the wife now....
Question, when you were drinking/gambling, I assume someone else, wife or family, had the kids? That's the thing I struggle with. Going out to the desert and doing some interesting stuff sounds awesome. Hanging at the pool with them sounds awesome. But unless you get one of those resort babysitters -- and my wife and I never know how to trust those people, not sure we ever could -- how do you actually get to gamble??
I know some places have "kids clubs" or nonsense like that, but hard to leave really young ones there.
Osaurus
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
I gambled while the wife and kids slept.
It was mostly dinner at 530 or 600. Wife and I would have a few drinks with dinner. We would head back to the hotel, get the kids down, make some sweet love, have another drink or two, she would hit the hay, and I would go out gambling on my own.
Worked out well for us.
No babysitters were used.
It was mostly dinner at 530 or 600. Wife and I would have a few drinks with dinner. We would head back to the hotel, get the kids down, make some sweet love, have another drink or two, she would hit the hay, and I would go out gambling on my own.
Worked out well for us.
No babysitters were used.
