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Now the offensive bungler in Cleveland.Where was this last year when I actually owned him as my QB1? I hate this fool.
The grade is surprising to me, but regardless, the line did a really good job yesterday.Dunlap graded out pretty well at ProFootballFocus last year -- an overall grade of +6.6 (and a pass-blocking grade of +11.5). The OL on Philly who were disastrous were Dennis Kelly (-17.9) and Demetress Bell (-24.5).Yeah, I kind of thought the fact Dunlap had to play was one of the biggest reasons the PHI OL was a disaster last year and their season completely imploded.King Dunlap? I don't know this Harris, but he must be about the worst player ever.
Mike Harris graded out at an astounding -43.4, worst in the league (not just among starters, but worst in the league, period).
not like seriously though, right?yepAnyone still believe Rivers is better than Manning or Ben?
Those INTs may end up being more around the '06-'10 levels. This new offense doesn't have Rivers forcing so many passes upfield. And the line, though still not that great, has improved at least over last year, which should result in less sacks. Better protection combined with a shorter time holding the ball due to the emphasis on the short game should eliminate some of those INTs.wdcrob said:Year Age Comp Att Comp% Yds TD TD% INT INT% SCK SCK% NY/A 2006 25 284 460 61.7% 3388 22 4.8% 9 2.0% 27 5.5% 6.66 2007 26 277 460 60.2% 3152 21 4.6% 15 3.3% 22 4.6% 6.20 2008 27 312 478 65.3% 4009 34 7.1% 11 2.3% 25 5.0% 7.67 2009 28 317 486 65.2% 4254 28 5.8% 9 1.9% 25 4.9% 8.00 2010 29 357 541 66.0% 4710 30 5.5% 13 2.4% 38 6.6% 7.74 2011 30 366 582 62.9% 4624 27 4.6% 20 3.4% 30 4.9% 7.23 2012 31 338 527 64.1% 3606 26 4.9% 15 2.8% 49 8.5% 5.722013 32 50 76 65.8% 614 7 9.2% 1 1.3% 3 3.8% 7.54 Looking at this...
Rivers' demise was always overblown -- his #s in 2011 and 2012 were off the 2008-2010 levels, but still OK. Except for last year's sack rate, which killed the passing game's efficiency. But it was hard to know if he could bounce back at 32.
He's obviously not going to sustain this year's TD and INT rates, but there's a lot of reason for optimism that his completion percentage has bounced back and his sack rate has declined. And between the Texans (good) and the Eagles (bad bad) you'd think that the overall SOS so far has been averageish.
:( Unforunately yes.Norv has moved on to killing TrichThe thread title of this should be changed from "Phillip Rivers is Terrible" to "Norv Turner is Terrible". Rivers was fine and dandy the whole time, it was Norv who turned him into a pumpkin.
Mathews owners have no sympathy. Richardson still has 100% of the RB carries and 70% of the RB receptions. Obviously he'll also get the goal line carries, too. That is much better than the crap Norv pulled with Mathews in SD.:( Unforunately yes.Norv has moved on to killing TrichThe thread title of this should be changed from "Phillip Rivers is Terrible" to "Norv Turner is Terrible". Rivers was fine and dandy the whole time, it was Norv who turned him into a pumpkin.
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Of the group I would take Ben, but all three have played very, very well over their career.Anyone still believe Rivers is better than Manning or Ben?
As long as the line keeps protecting him. He has some very juicing matchups coming up.This is for real, right?
FixedPhilip Rivers Is Terrible uWait...he isn't terrible anymore??nless playing the Eagles! unless playing the Texans, Eagles, Titans, Cowboys . . .
Philip RIvers has been putting up fantastic numbers, also from my bench.Four weeks is good enough for me. He will begin to sniff my starting line-up.
Absolutely great job with that OLine and those receivers.
I had Vick in so I'm not too mad. Guess I'm gonna play the matchups from now on.Philip RIvers has been putting up fantastic numbers, also from my bench.Four weeks is good enough for me. He will begin to sniff my starting line-up.
Absolutely great job with that OLine and those receivers.
That is about to change.
Gates is actually healthy, and instead of shoe horning players into system (NORV), looks like McCoy n Whiz have taylored the offense to players strengths - woodhead, royal making nice contributions.Thank god I had no choice but to start him the last couple weeks.
I'm not sure what the braintrust there had done, but given the personnel it's coach of the year material IMO.
How Rivers and Gates can both look so past it the last couple years and look like they're 25 again this year at 31 and 33 years old is a mystery.
Starting him over Romo (vs Denver) and Brady (@Cincy).Anyone starting Philip Rivers over Aaron Rodgers?
I have a gut feeling Rivers is gonna put up better numbers than Rodgers.
Me too. I was surprised to see he is ranked 3rd in QB points in my league. Krapernick was like 17th.I was fortunate to be able to pick him up on waivers this week in one of my locals (10 team).
Were it not for the unprecedented silliness that Peyton Manning and the Broncos have unleashed in the opening weeks, then Philip Rivers' rebirth would probably be the dominant story in the NFL. Rivers isn't merely having a bounce-back year. Instead, he's playing at a level few quarterbacks have ever sustained.
As of this writing, Rivers ranks second in the NFL — behind only Manning — in QB-rating (118.8), completion percentage (73.9) and touchdown passes (11). He's also fifth in yards-per-attempt (8.44) and seventh in total passing yards (1199).
But you already know this stuff if you're an attentive fantasy manager. (We'll dig deeper in a moment.) Rivers has been undeniably great in our game, a top-five QB in basically all formats. He's had only one dud fantasy performance so far, and he actually went 20-for-24 that day with a TD pass and zero turnovers. Even his bad day was good.
As a team, the Chargers are currently third in yards-per drive (38.9) and second in points-per-drive (2.57) per Football Outsiders, so the offense has been a fantasy buffet. Antonio Gates ranks as a top-three fantasy tight end, Eddie Royal has caught five TD passes, and Ryan Mathews and Danny Woodhead both rate as RB2s, year-to-date. Also, rookie wideout Keenan Allen absolutely feasted on Dallas corner Morris Claiborne in Week 4 (five catches on six targets, 80 yards), so he's an emerging threat. Vincent Brown hasn't yet had a monster day, but it's coming; he caught seven balls on nine targets against the Cowboys.
All of this, of course, has been made possible by the near-flawless play of Rivers, directing a Mike McCoy-Ken Whisenhunt offense that clearly suits San Diego's personnel. Here are a few of my favorite beneath-the-surface Rivers stats from the season's first four weeks, via Pro Football Focus (indispensable resource):
• His average time-to-throw this year is just 2.39 seconds, third-quickest in the league. I can think of no better way to assist an O-line. Last year, under Norv Turner, Rivers was at 2.79 seconds;
• On pass attempts where Rivers releases the ball in 2.5 seconds or less, he's completed a ridiculous 74 of 99 throws. But you can't dismiss him as a dink-and-dunk passer, because...
• Rivers has been one of the league's most accurate passers on deep balls, throws 20-plus yards downfield. He's 8-for-17 with two TDs on deep attempts (plus his receivers have dropped a pair of long strikes);
• When pressured this year, Rivers has also been stellar. He's completed 22 of 36 throws under pressure, a better completion rate than every NFL quarterback except Peyton.
So the man is really doing lots of things well. The burning fantasy question, obviously, is whether Rivers can continue at anything close to this pace. He surely has to slow down at some point, right?
Well, there are plenty of reasons for continued optimism. First among these is the player's history; Rivers has been exceptional in prior years, not simply adequate. We're talking about a four-time Pro Bowl quarterback, a guy who led the league in passing yards just three seasons ago (4710). He has year-to-year continuity with most of the skill players in his offense, too.
And then there's this year's system, which has been (among other things) remarkably crisp. It's not just that Rivers is releasing throws quickly, but he gets his team to the line of scrimmage with haste, allowing time to survey and direct. Perhaps Rivers isn't quite at Manning's level as a pre-snap conductor, but he's no scrub. Note, for example, the work he did at the line on this 11-yard Royal touchdown.
Fantasy-wise, you have to appreciate the shootout potential offered by the Chargers on a weekly basis. This team still hasn't held an opponent to less than 20 points. San Diego's D ranks 30th in the NFL in yards-allowed (432.3 YPG) and 21st in points (25.5). Rivers won't often downshift to drain-the-clock mode late in games. The Chargers' schedule isn't exactly loaded with intimidating defenses, either — especially in the near-term. The Bolts' next six opponents are Oakland, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Washington, Denver and Miami; four of those teams rank among the league's 12 most generous in terms of QB fantasy scoring. The only unfriendly opponent on the horizon is Indy, and that's a home game for San Diego.
So, all things considered, I'm inclined to believe that the Rivers resurgence is real and likely to last. Unfortunately, I have zero shares of this player in my fantasy portfolio, and only a small investment in other Chargers (usually Allen, Royal, Brown or Nick Novak). It's early, but I'm guessing this failure to embrace the Bolts will be a major end-of-year regret.
Are you sure?I think "terrible" is probably an overstatement.