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He's average at best, but for the sake of this thread I'm happy with terrible.

Average in which population? You surely don't mean the world population, including Nigerian grandmas and Chinese infants. Neither can you mean the population of males aged 21-31 in the United States. Neither can you mean all NFL players, or even all NFL quarterbacks. You probably also don't mean that he's average for an NFL starting quarterback. He's well above average in any of those populations.

Do you mean that he's average for a quarterback selected to the Pro Bowl? I think that's a reasonable position (although I'd say he's slightly above average, myself).

I honestly really enjoyed your response. Even with the sarcastic jabs at me I really thought it was a great response, I am being very serious.... However, I wholeheartedly disagree.

For a career, he is slightly above average, although one could argue he has been fairly bad in the playoffs. To give a little context to average moving forward, we should review his last couple of seasons... 2011 & 2012 were below average while 2013 has been above well above average - I think that is a fair assessment that most would agree with of the last three seasons. Looking at his body of work for the last couple of years, what will he do moving forward? My guess is he'll be an average run of the mill QB.

In terms of the bold text above, here is a list of pro bowl QBs in the last five years:

Manning (both)

Brady

Luck

Schaub

Ryan

Rodgers

Brees

Wilson

RG3

Big Ben

Dalton

Rivers

Cam

Vick

Cassel

McNabb

Romo

Garrard

V Young

Favre

Cutler

Collins

Warner

24 guys on this list - I think the majority of people are taking 2/3 of these guys over Rivers and the case could be made for 75%...

I'll concede historically slightly to fairly above average, but moving forward and the last couple of years average at best.

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Sounds like the kind of thing a guy who doesn't have 15 kids would say...

Good for him, man. He can finally start a family. 

Exactly.  Anyone dogging Rivers after today's game is out of their mind.  His defense literally allowed a TD on five straight drives to start the game, and Belichick and his staff made the Charge

Rivers has been a starter for 8 seasons. Some accomplishments relative to his peers:

- Top 7 in completion percentage in 6 of 8 seasons; led NFL 1 time (2013)

- Top 9 in passing yards in 6 of 8 seasons; led NFL 1 time (2010)

- Top 8 in passing yards per game in 5 of 8 seasons; led NFL 1 time (2010)

- Top 8 in YPA in 6 of 8 seasons; led NFL 3 times (2008-2010)

- Top 9 in passing TDs in 7 of 8 seasons; led NFL 1 time (2008)

- Top 8 in passer rating in 5 of 8 seasons; led NFL 1 time (2008)

- #3 in career passer rating among active QBs; #4 all-time in career passer rating

All this despite averaging just 31.1 pass attempts per game, which is just 16th highest among active QBs.

His regular season record is 79-49. He led his team to the playoffs 4 times and has a 3-4 playoff record. He has never missed a start, including playing in the 2007 AFC championship with a torn ACL.

Rivers was elite from 2008-2010. While he may never quite regain that level of play, he is very clearly well above average. (And not terrible.)

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Rivers has been a starter for 8 seasons. Some accomplishments relative to his peers:

- Top 7 in completion percentage in 6 of 8 seasons; led NFL 1 time (2013)

- Top 9 in passing yards in 6 of 8 seasons; led NFL 1 time (2010)

- Top 8 in passing yards per game in 5 of 8 seasons; led NFL 1 time (2010)

- Top 8 in YPA in 6 of 8 seasons; led NFL 3 times (2008-2010)

- Top 9 in passing TDs in 7 of 8 seasons; led NFL 1 time (2008)

- Top 8 in passer rating in 5 of 8 seasons; led NFL 1 time (2008)

- #3 in career passer rating among active QBs; #4 all-time in career passer rating

All this despite averaging just 31.1 pass attempts per game, which is just 16th highest among active QBs.

His regular season record is 79-49. He led his team to the playoffs 4 times and has a 3-4 playoff record. He has never missed a start, including playing in the 2007 AFC championship with a torn ACL.

Rivers was elite from 2008-2010. While he may never quite regain that level of play, he is very clearly well above average. (And not terrible.)

The following two seasons he turned the ball over at the same rate as Mark Sanchez

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He's average at best, but for the sake of this thread I'm happy with terrible.

Average in which population? You surely don't mean the world population, including Nigerian grandmas and Chinese infants. Neither can you mean the population of males aged 21-31 in the United States. Neither can you mean all NFL players, or even all NFL quarterbacks. You probably also don't mean that he's average for an NFL starting quarterback. He's well above average in any of those populations.

Do you mean that he's average for a quarterback selected to the Pro Bowl? I think that's a reasonable position (although I'd say he's slightly above average, myself).

I honestly really enjoyed your response. Even with the sarcastic jabs at me I really thought it was a great response, I am being very serious.... However, I wholeheartedly disagree.

For a career, he is slightly above average, although one could argue he has been fairly bad in the playoffs. To give a little context to average moving forward, we should review his last couple of seasons... 2011 & 2012 were below average while 2013 has been above well above average - I think that is a fair assessment that most would agree with of the last three seasons. Looking at his body of work for the last couple of years, what will he do moving forward? My guess is he'll be an average run of the mill QB.

In terms of the bold text above, here is a list of pro bowl QBs in the last five years:

Manning (both)

Brady

Luck

Schaub

Ryan

Rodgers

Brees

Wilson

RG3

Big Ben

Dalton

Rivers

Cam

Vick

Cassel

McNabb

Romo

Garrard

V Young

Favre

Cutler

Collins

Warner

24 guys on this list - I think the majority of people are taking 2/3 of these guys over Rivers and the case could be made for 75%...

I'll concede historically slightly to fairly above average, but moving forward and the last couple of years average at best.

If the majority of people take 2/3 of those guys over Rivers, they are as uninformed as you are.

You are really putting too much weight into River's tough '11 and '12 campaigns. And those of us who watched every snap Rivers took those years will tell you that the problem wasn't Rivers, it was his line and weapons.

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He's average at best, but for the sake of this thread I'm happy with terrible.

Average in which population? You surely don't mean the world population, including Nigerian grandmas and Chinese infants. Neither can you mean the population of males aged 21-31 in the United States. Neither can you mean all NFL players, or even all NFL quarterbacks. You probably also don't mean that he's average for an NFL starting quarterback. He's well above average in any of those populations.

Do you mean that he's average for a quarterback selected to the Pro Bowl? I think that's a reasonable position (although I'd say he's slightly above average, myself).

I honestly really enjoyed your response. Even with the sarcastic jabs at me I really thought it was a great response, I am being very serious.... However, I wholeheartedly disagree.

For a career, he is slightly above average, although one could argue he has been fairly bad in the playoffs. To give a little context to average moving forward, we should review his last couple of seasons... 2011 & 2012 were below average while 2013 has been above well above average - I think that is a fair assessment that most would agree with of the last three seasons. Looking at his body of work for the last couple of years, what will he do moving forward? My guess is he'll be an average run of the mill QB.

In terms of the bold text above, here is a list of pro bowl QBs in the last five years:

Manning (both)

Brady

Luck

Schaub

Ryan

Rodgers

Brees

Wilson

RG3

Big Ben

Dalton

Rivers

Cam

Vick

Cassel

McNabb

Romo

Garrard

V Young

Favre

Cutler

Collins

Warner

24 guys on this list - I think the majority of people are taking 2/3 of these guys over Rivers and the case could be made for 75%...

I'll concede historically slightly to fairly above average, but moving forward and the last couple of years average at best.

If the majority of people take 2/3 of those guys over Rivers, they are as uninformed as you are.

You are really putting too much weight into River's tough '11 and '12 campaigns. And those of us who watched every snap Rivers took those years will tell you that the problem wasn't Rivers, it was his line and weapons.

:goodposting:

And if you're taking guys like Favre and Warner over Rivers because they had one good season out of the last five total years, then you're discounting the other years that they didn't even play. Those guys are locks to be under Rivers (unless you're only taking them in their Pro Bowl seasons, which means you then have to discount all of Rivers' non-Pro Bowl seasons too, which then pushes him above almost everyone on that list).

Besides the old guys, I'm not even really sure how you'd weigh "taking" a kid like Luck versus Rivers either. One has 3 excellent seasons, 1 okay season, and 1 poor season over the last five years. The other had an excellent rookie year, pretty good second season, and nothing else to measure. How do you even compare the two? Does Luck benefit because he didn't have a bad season? If we're taking Luck's two best seasons in the last five years, shouldn't we also then compare that against Rivers' two best seasons? Again, meaning Rivers blows him away.

What a silly argument.

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He's average at best, but for the sake of this thread I'm happy with terrible.

Average in which population? You surely don't mean the world population, including Nigerian grandmas and Chinese infants. Neither can you mean the population of males aged 21-31 in the United States. Neither can you mean all NFL players, or even all NFL quarterbacks. You probably also don't mean that he's average for an NFL starting quarterback. He's well above average in any of those populations.

Do you mean that he's average for a quarterback selected to the Pro Bowl? I think that's a reasonable position (although I'd say he's slightly above average, myself).

I honestly really enjoyed your response. Even with the sarcastic jabs at me I really thought it was a great response, I am being very serious.... However, I wholeheartedly disagree.

For a career, he is slightly above average, although one could argue he has been fairly bad in the playoffs. To give a little context to average moving forward, we should review his last couple of seasons... 2011 & 2012 were below average while 2013 has been above well above average - I think that is a fair assessment that most would agree with of the last three seasons. Looking at his body of work for the last couple of years, what will he do moving forward? My guess is he'll be an average run of the mill QB.

In terms of the bold text above, here is a list of pro bowl QBs in the last five years:

Manning (both)

Brady

Luck

Schaub

Ryan

Rodgers

Brees

Wilson

RG3

Big Ben

Dalton

Rivers

Cam

Vick

Cassel

McNabb

Romo

Garrard

V Young

Favre

Cutler

Collins

Warner

24 guys on this list - I think the majority of people are taking 2/3 of these guys over Rivers and the case could be made for 75%...

I'll concede historically slightly to fairly above average, but moving forward and the last couple of years average at best.

If the majority of people take 2/3 of those guys over Rivers, they are as uninformed as you are.

You are really putting too much weight into River's tough '11 and '12 campaigns. And those of us who watched every snap Rivers took those years will tell you that the problem wasn't Rivers, it was his line and weapons.

:goodposting:

And if you're taking guys like Favre and Warner over Rivers because they had one good season out of the last five total years, then you're discounting the other years that they didn't even play. Those guys are locks to be under Rivers (unless you're only taking them in their Pro Bowl seasons, which means you then have to discount all of Rivers' non-Pro Bowl seasons too, which then pushes him above almost everyone on that list).

Besides the old guys, I'm not even really sure how you'd weigh "taking" a kid like Luck versus Rivers either. One has 3 excellent seasons, 1 okay season, and 1 poor season over the last five years. The other had an excellent rookie year, pretty good second season, and nothing else to measure. How do you even compare the two? Does Luck benefit because he didn't have a bad season? If we're taking Luck's two best seasons in the last five years, shouldn't we also then compare that against Rivers' two best seasons? Again, meaning Rivers blows him away.

What a silly argument.

:doh::lmao::lol::no::sadbanana:

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Not sure why people are letting fc42 troll them so easily in here. He clearly has no intent of having an honest discussion about Rivers and is either letting personal opinion cloud facts or is just having fun getting a rise out of you guys.

You don't need to put him on ignore but you can certainly just not respond to his posts.

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Career Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt:

Rodgers 7.59

Peyton 7.24

Rivers 7.02

Romo 6.96

Brady 6.95

Brees 6.85

Schaub 6.53

Roetlisberger 6.43

Ryan 6.40

Stafford 5.94

Eli 5.79

Flacco 5.69

Anyone that says Philip Rivers is an average NFL QB just plain has no idea what they're talking about.

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This is career ANY/A for all QBs, using the following criteria:

--had at least 1000 career attempts age 25+ (to eliminate early career struggles)

--in the Superbowl era (to cut out people you've never heard of)

--indexed to account for era (since passing is now easier than it used to be)

Player 	ANY/A+Peyton Manning 	124Aaron Rodgers 	124Steve Young* 	124Joe Montana* 	121Dan Fouts* 	120Roger Staubac* 	120Drew Brees 	119Tom Brady 	118Dan Marino* 	116Philip Rivers 	116Kurt Warner 	116Tony Romo 	115Terry Bradsha* 	114Sonny Jurgens* 	114Daryle Lamonica	114Ken Anderson 	113John Brodie 	113Bob Griese* 	113Bert Jones 	113Jeff Garcia 	112Trent Green 	112Fran Tarkenton*	112Doug Williams 	112Troy Aikman* 	111Billy Kilmer 	111Brett Favre 	110Earl Morrall 	110Mark Rypien 	110Matt Schaub 	110Roman Gabriel 	109Jim Kelly* 	109Donovan McNabb 	109Chad Pennington	109Ben Roethlisber	109John Elway* 	108Boomer Esiason 	108Rich Gannon 	108Bill Munson 	108Jim Everett 	107Steve Grogan    107Charley Johnson	107Neil Lomax 	107Steve McNair 	107Warren Moon* 	107Craig Morton 	107Bill Nelsen 	107Matt Ryan 	107Jeff George 	106Jim Hart 	106Joe Namath* 	106Brian Sipe 	106Danny White 	106Mark Brunell 	105Tony Eason 	105Bill Kenney 	105Daunte Culpeppe	104Len Dawson* 	104Doug Flutie     104Elvis Grbac 	104Erik Kramer 	104Jim McMahon 	104Neil O'Donnell 	104Kyle Orton 	104Carson Palmer 	104Joe Theismann 	104Steve Bartkowsk 103Randall Cunning 103Gary Danielson 	103Steve DeBerg 	103Jake Delhomme 	103David Garrard 	103John Hadl 	103Jeff Hostetler 	103Ron Jaworski 	103Brad Johnson 	103Tommy Kramer 	103Eli Manning 	103Phil Simms 	103Ken Stabler 	103Jim Zorn 	103Steve Beuerlein 102Marc Bulger 	102Chris Chandler 	102Bobby Hebert 	102Dave Krieg 	102Greg Landry 	102Ken O'Brien 	102Jay Schroeder 	102Andy Dalton 	101Lynn Dickey 	101Brian Griese 	101Matt Hasselbeck 101Stan Humphries 	101Bernie Kosar 	101Chris Miller 	101Scott Mitchell 	101Michael Vick 	101Jeff Blake 	100Drew Bledsoe 	100Steve Bono 	100Aaron Brooks 	100Jay Cutler 	100Joe Ferguson 	100Jay Fiedler 	100Gus Frerotte 	100Alex Smith 	100Vinny Testaverde100Wade Wilson 	100Kerry Collins 	 99Archie Manning 	 99Vince Ferragamo  98Jim Harbaugh 	 98Tommy Maddox 	 98Jake Plummer 	 98Mike Tomczak 	 98Johnny Unitas* 	 98Jason Campbell 	 97Joe Flacco 	 97Gary Hogeboom 	 97Jim Plunkett 	 97Charlie Batch 	 96Mike Livingston  96Josh McCown 	 96Richard Todd 	 96Matt Cassel 	 95Pat Haden 	 95Jon Kitna 	 95Don Majkowski 	 95Bart Starr* 	 95Gary Cuozzo 	 94Trent Dilfer 	 94Dan Pastorini 	 94Marc Wilson 	 93Tony Banks 	 92Bubby Brister 	 92Kent Graham 	 92Rodney Peete 	 92Kordell Stewart  92Jack Trudeau 	 92Ryan  Fitzpatrick91David Carr 	 90Vince Evans 	 89Rex Grossman 	 89Chad Henne 	 89Eric Hipple 	 89Joey Harrington	 88Mark Malone 	 88Jack Kemp 	 85Dave M. Brown 	 83Mike Phipps 	 83Rick Mirer 	 76
By limiting the list to only players with 1000+ attempts from age 25 on we're excluding a ton of really bad QBs since most bad QBs don't last that long (Blaine Gabbert, Josh Freeman and Mark Sanchez are unlikely to qualify, for example). So most everyone on this list is a pretty good QB (about 70% have an index above the average of 100).

Even cutting out so many bad QBs there are still 152 QBs on this list. And Philip Rivers is 10th. In the last 45+ years.

He's not "average".

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I'd like to point out that while people endlessly make fun of Romo for choking in prime time, or throwing interceptions to end seasons, the Chargers were down 10 points in the 4th quarter on Sunday, in a game where it was win or your season is over, and he didn't make a costly mistake. Instead he led his team to tie the game and won it in overtime.



With everything on the line, Rivers delivered a 4th quarter comeback. Give Rivers credit for that.


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I'd like to point out that while people endlessly make fun of Romo for choking in prime time, or throwing interceptions to end seasons, the Chargers were down 10 points in the 4th quarter on Sunday, in a game where it was win or your season is over, and he didn't make a costly mistake. Instead he led his team to tie the game and won it in overtime.

With everything on the line, Rivers delivered a 4th quarter comeback. Give Rivers credit for that.

Against a team playing mostly backups...

I don't like Rivers, but have always given him props for being a very good QB, 2011 and 2012 notwithstanding. But that comeback yesterday is nothing to brag about, considering they should have won going away.

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Anyone that says Philip Rivers is an average NFL QB just plain has no idea what they're talking about.

Of course he knows what he's talking about. He's intellectually dishonest. He's a liar. End of story. He will continue to make flippant claims about players. If he lucks out and is right in some sense, he celebrates himself. If he's wrong it doesn't matter to what degree, he will continue to "entertain" himself by feeling superior that he has you engaged in his folly. To some degree he's a sociopath.

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Anyone that says Philip Rivers is an average NFL QB just plain has no idea what they're talking about.

Of course he knows what he's talking about. He's intellectually dishonest. He's a liar. End of story. He will continue to make flippant claims about players. If he lucks out and is right in some sense, he celebrates himself. If he's wrong it doesn't matter to what degree, he will continue to "entertain" himself by feeling superior that he has you engaged in his folly. To some degree he's a sociopath.

:lmao: If this is sarcasm, you're brilliant! If this is serious, you need a mental evaluation ASAP!

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So is Rivers still terrible? I don't think we ever got a consensus.

Shhhhhh, I think LHUCKS and Jeff Pasqualli are waiting in the weeds to high five each other on what a great call they made back in 2007 when Rivers has another bad game outllier.

Well, this will be the 4th year in a row Rivers doesn't make it to the playoffs. :oldunsure:

:cough cough:

I'm enjoying my crow with a little sriracha sauce.

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So is Rivers still terrible? I don't think we ever got a consensus.

Shhhhhh, I think LHUCKS and Jeff Pasqualli are waiting in the weeds to high five each other on what a great call they made back in 2007 when Rivers has another bad game outllier.

Well, this will be the 4th year in a row Rivers doesn't make it to the playoffs. :oldunsure:

:cough cough:

I'm enjoying my crow with a little sriracha sauce.

:lol: Well played GB.

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I was just looking for this thread, thanks for bumping!

Rivers looking good in his two playoff games so far :thumbup:

19/28 for 172 & 1 through 7 quarters in the playoffs... Guy is all world!

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Ol' noodle arm has no shot on a windy day.

His passes are accurate and not wobbly or fluttering. Unfortunately, his WRs have been getting no separation, and Green just let a first down pass go right through his hands.

Most people in here aren't all that interested in thoughtful analysis. Take it somewhere else, fella.

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Ol' noodle arm has no shot on a windy day.

His passes are accurate and not wobbly or fluttering. Unfortunately, his WRs have been getting no separation, and Green just let a first down pass go right through his hands.

Most people in here aren't all that interested in thoughtful analysis. Take it somewhere else, fella.
He's thrown for 172 yards in 7 quarters this playoffs. That just isn't going to cut it in the modern NFL.

ETA: 44 yards in 3 quarters so far today.

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Ol' noodle arm has no shot on a windy day.

His passes are accurate and not wobbly or fluttering. Unfortunately, his WRs have been getting no separation, and Green just let a first down pass go right through his hands.

Most people in here aren't all that interested in thoughtful analysis. Take it somewhere else, fella.

I refuse to let you guys ruin my fun. This thread is the only thing I have to look forward to every year!

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Ol' noodle arm has no shot on a windy day.

His passes are accurate and not wobbly or fluttering. Unfortunately, his WRs have been getting no separation, and Green just let a first down pass go right through his hands.

Most people in here aren't all that interested in thoughtful analysis. Take it somewhere else, fella.

He's thrown for 172 yards in 7 quarters this playoffs. That just isn't going to cut it in the modern NFL.

You are just trolling to lump his game last week together with his game today. They won on the road by 17 points last week, and he played an efficient game. He only had 16 pass attempts in that game because that's all the Chargers needed to win easily. That was a good game, even "in the modern NFL."

Today he isn't playing well, but he has been under frequent pressure, the playcalling has been very conservative, and his receivers have not helped him. Agree that this game won't cut it in the modern NFL, and they are probably going to lose. So he will have had one good game and one bad game, both on the road, barring a miracle comeback.

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Ol' noodle arm has no shot on a windy day.

His passes are accurate and not wobbly or fluttering. Unfortunately, his WRs have been getting no separation, and Green just let a first down pass go right through his hands.

Most people in here aren't all that interested in thoughtful analysis. Take it somewhere else, fella.

He's thrown for 172 yards in 7 quarters this playoffs. That just isn't going to cut it in the modern NFL.

You are just trolling to lump his game last week together with his game today. They won on the road by 17 points last week, and he played an efficient game. He only had 16 pass attempts in that game because that's all the Chargers needed to win easily. That was a good game, even "in the modern NFL."

Today he isn't playing well, but he has been under frequent pressure, the playcalling has been very conservative, and his receivers have not helped him. Agree that this game won't cut it in the modern NFL, and they are probably going to lose. So he will have had one good game and one bad game, both on the road, barring a miracle comeback.

Lets look at his game today without "lumping in last week"

STUD!!!!!

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Ol' noodle arm has no shot on a windy day.

His passes are accurate and not wobbly or fluttering. Unfortunately, his WRs have been getting no separation, and Green just let a first down pass go right through his hands.

Agreed, I don't think Rivers has been the primary problem. Lame 3yds and a cloud of dust game plan they should have abandoned 2 quarters ago and a def that has jumped offsides what 5 times now are much more to blame imho.

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Ol' noodle arm has no shot on a windy day.

His passes are accurate and not wobbly or fluttering. Unfortunately, his WRs have been getting no separation, and Green just let a first down pass go right through his hands.

Agreed, I don't think Rivers has been the primary problem. Lame 3yds and a cloud of dust game plan they should have abandoned 2 quarters ago and a def that has jumped offsides what 5 times now are much more to blame imho.
Holding the Broncos to 17 so far, the defense isn't the problem. The game plan is the problem too? Come on!
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Ol' noodle arm has no shot on a windy day.

His passes are accurate and not wobbly or fluttering. Unfortunately, his WRs have been getting no separation, and Green just let a first down pass go right through his hands.

Agreed, I don't think Rivers has been the primary problem. Lame 3yds and a cloud of dust game plan they should have abandoned 2 quarters ago and a def that has jumped offsides what 5 times now are much more to blame imho.
Holding the Broncos to 17 so far, the defense isn't the problem. The game plan is the problem too? Come on!

Yes, the game plan is the problem. Rivers is 10/15 and has a 104.9 passer rating for the game so far. Meanwhile, Manning is 19/27, almost twice the pass attempts. Particularly once they got down by 14 with Mathews done for the game, the Chargers coaching staff needed to open up the playcalling, and they didn't do it until the last few plays of that TD drive.

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Ol' noodle arm has no shot on a windy day.

His passes are accurate and not wobbly or fluttering. Unfortunately, his WRs have been getting no separation, and Green just let a first down pass go right through his hands.

Agreed, I don't think Rivers has been the primary problem. Lame 3yds and a cloud of dust game plan they should have abandoned 2 quarters ago and a def that has jumped offsides what 5 times now are much more to blame imho.
Holding the Broncos to 17 so far, the defense isn't the problem. The game plan is the problem too? Come on!

The def has been ok, except for the jumping offsides 5 times which is a bonus manning doesn't need. And yes, continuing to try and run the ball when den is so obviously aligning to stop it is not giving their team the best chance to win. Its not that I think Rivers is all that and a bag of chips, I just think the run, run then try to pass game plan has played into dens hands and jumping offsides a ridiculous amount of times has really hurt them as well.

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Ol' noodle arm has no shot on a windy day.

His passes are accurate and not wobbly or fluttering. Unfortunately, his WRs have been getting no separation, and Green just let a first down pass go right through his hands.

Agreed, I don't think Rivers has been the primary problem. Lame 3yds and a cloud of dust game plan they should have abandoned 2 quarters ago and a def that has jumped offsides what 5 times now are much more to blame imho.
Holding the Broncos to 17 so far, the defense isn't the problem. The game plan is the problem too? Come on!

Yes, the game plan is the problem. Rivers is 10/15 and has a 104.9 passer rating for the game so far. Meanwhile, Manning is 19/27, almost twice the pass attempts. Particularly once they got down by 14 with Mathews done for the game, the Chargers coaching staff needed to open up the playcalling, and they didn't do it until the last few plays of that TD drive.

:goodposting:

Rivers was 11/15 for 173 yards and 2 TDs in the 4th quarter. Had the Chargers' coaches opened up the playcalling sooner, they might have won the game.

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Which Quarterback had the better passing performance?

A. 25/36, 230 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT

B. 18/27, 217 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INT

The guy playing next week.

You must not have read this.

I stand corrected, I'll take the guy watching the AFC Championship game on his couch.

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FWIW, of the eight QBs who played this weekend, Rivers had the second best completion percentage (67%), the third best yards per attempt (8.0), tied for the most TDs (2), and tied for the fewest INTs (0). He was the only one who was in the top three in all four categories.

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FWIW, of the eight QBs who played this weekend, Rivers had the second best completion percentage (67%), the third best yards per attempt (8.0), tied for the most TDs (2), and tied for the fewest INTs (0). He was the only one who was in the top three in all four categories.

3RD AND 17

Unfortunately there's no middle finger smilie...

But seriously, all that proves is that he's not Peyton Manning with an arsenal of receivers at his disposal.

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